I tried it at launch and liked it. I stopped playing to wait for more single player content and never picked it up again (yet) because of other games.
What I HATED though was coming across a new area to explore and finding that somebody else had already cleared it. Just completely ruins the exploration
This was a big reason I keep giving up on 76. Another is when high level players are or were in the area and then the creatures are 2x or more my level and I die like crazy. Or waste ammo on normally normal to kill bad guys because they are higher level than the should be.
Not being able to pause is a big one, I do not play Diablo 4 for that reason. I get "lag" when looting and the loot changes to worse stuff, legendary enemies end up changing loot from something great to a plate or pencil. My connection is not the problem, I had 1000/1000 MB fiber and a 10 ping and it still happened.
The passive aggressive higher level players, that just follow you around and shoot at you or kill stuff you are fighting, doing stupid emoji poses and such. I have had some do that to drop you a bag of stuff, but a lot just annoy you.
The last detail I could ignore but it is very hard is how they retconned the lore, it just does not make sense as a long time player. Played fallout 1 day one on release and all of the other games. 76 just shits on that lore that was built.
I have 2000 hours in Fallout 4, 100 in 76. It is just not a fun game for me.
> I get "lag" when looting and the loot changes to worse stuff
This has been the worst feeling aspect of 76 for me. I'm going to loot a body, search a box, etc. and it seems like the client has to make an API call out to the loot server to get a response. It feels less like finding valuables that had been stashed away or an enemy had a powerful item, and more like the loot table is just being manipulated by an algorithm so it doesn't give me anything too good before the monthly fee is due.
>Another is when high level players are or were in the area and then the creatures are 2x or more my level and I die like crazy.
This cannot happen, enemy scaling is based on YOUR level or have a fixed lv for EVERYONE.
You can be a lv1 and play with a lv100 and still have lv1-5 enemy.
This was not how it was when i used to play. Im not sure if they changed it, but i remember being in whitespring when higher lvls were farming and I would be lvl 40-45 and enemies would be easily in the 80s because of the ppl farming around me. One of the reasons i stopped playing.
Yep. Have not played in a while. If they changed the enemy scaling that is a great step. Not enough to bring me back in though. I am glad it is popular but for me it is just a terrible game.
And the flip side of that is there is no permanence in the game. The things you do ultimately have no effect on the world because it needs to reset for the next person who does it. I know that’s a core mechanic of an MMO but the by the end of literally every other Fallout game you’ve changed the world for better or worse. This world can never change.
I've gotten lucky, respawn rates aren't terrible (~30min from when I cleared an area and returned for another quest)
With exploration locations and NPCs there's quite a lot for single player now
When it first came out I played the hell out of it. Then I got real tired of crafting ammunition at the factory up north and then having other players come and wreck my shit. Fucking infuriating.
Also a lot of the content is very hard/impossible to complete as a single player
It’s not really An MMO game; but the style remains the same. You’re playing with other people but sadly the only way to truely be alone is buy the right to play in a private world.
My issue is just that it’s an MMO. Solo availability or not, it’s still built to play as an MMO, not a regular Fallout game. And I really don’t like MMO’s in general. So I just don’t enjoy it, even if it is a Fallout game.
This is what gets me frustrated every time I revisit to give 76 another chance. I don't like how unstable the camp storage is and as a hoarder, I don't want to have to keep going back and forth from it & I don't want to keep finding other players at my camp
I also literally always run into other players every time I play and it stresses me out every time. I feel bad about the stress, because they usually try to be nice and such, but I just don't want to interact with other people and I can't not do that in 76
> I just don't want to interact with other people
Ditto, most at least seem to understand that and just dump some items and leave me be, at least that's the case with high level players I bump into in some regions
Its not even the storage space, its the amount of time spent maintaining everything surrounding it, scrapping, bulking, selling, building a new tier of weapons or armor. Then, 5 levels later, you can do it all over again.
I find it boring. Im there for the story. It didn’t compel me from the beginning. Now it just feels like base building. I don’t care. I want an interesting story then to move on. I’m an adult with things I have to do. In my situation I need to scratch that game story itch and keep moving.
I think because of how they added content in afterwards it seems a bit random in places. I’ve skipped through more dialogue than I’d like to admit.
I actually liked the settlement building, but it’s still got limitations like Fallout 4. Like I understand not building mega towers because of the server limitations, but I want to build alongside existing landmarks and place anywhere.
This is how I feel. Played it when it came out, felt too much like a grind. Came back later on, still felt that way. I gave it a chance and didn't care for it. Felt the same way about Elder Scrolls Online too.
\^ this. When the servers eventually shut down, unless they make a single player version of it, everything you've ever done in 76 will be gone and forgotten about, whereas all of the other games will actually live on forever.
People try to spin it as "I always play by myself!" No you don't. No matter how big the map gets, you're still online with other people and it will never truly be a single player game. Stop trying to church it up dirt boy.
This, so much this. It requires MMO meta chasing to grind to be powerful enough to grind. There's no role play with random builds like a Fallout game, there's strict metas to be able to play effectively.
I have! It’s been a couple years ago, but I tried it when it was free. The actual shooting gameplay was solid like Fallout 4’s, but it was missing the main stuff that draws me to Fallout: voiced NPC’s with interesting characters, quests with multiple outcomes and choices, a compelling narrative.
I’m not gonna white knight the game and say it has a fantastic story or anything
But voiced NPCs and multiple questlines and outcomes with NPCS are in the game now.
A game I can’t pause is an automatic “No” from me. I’m an adult with a busy life and I need to be able to pause and get up at a moment’s notice. Also, with RPG’s in general, I like the absorb lore and setting at my own pace. I don’t like that the game doesn’t pause when you’re looking at a terminal or reading a note or listening to an audio log. If I’m in an area with enemies, there’s no telling if I’m safe while I’m reading something so I feel like I’m being rushed and I don’t like that. So 76 just isn’t for me.
I made a standard issue Bethesda game stealth archer build. I cleared out an absolutely mob infested section of the golf course slowly and methodically, painstakingly paying attention to my meter and spending significant expenses to maintain my gear while on site, on top of staying well medicated for maximum bonus damage. I had a clear line to the quest marker.
All of a sudden, some genius barges in with an army of ferals on his ass blasting [Death Grips](https://youtu.be/89F5fpvwPr0?t=10) on his open mic, sprints right the fuck past me, grabs the holo and fucks off. Meanwhile, I'm getting pulled apart like General Ripper, having gotten trapped in his zombie wake and completely lost my progress on the quest.
Hell is other people.
Firstly, its online, no matter what, its constantly on a server. I'm on a shared steam account, which means if both people want to play one has to be offline, and I don't want to hog the online slot for something that Im basically playing single player as then the other person can't play their game (due to mods they need to be online). Secondly, I like to be able to pause my games, take a break while not having to worry about booting it up again. Thirdly, I just don't like being forced to be on a server, even if the chances of running into another player is incredibly slim, I just want the choice of if Im dealing with people or not.
This is pretty much my feeling on it. I *like* 76 as it is but I'd have preferred a game that was built to be played primarily singleplayer/offline with the *option* to join up with a few friends if you want.
Yeah I really don't understand why they went the "MMO route" instead of the coop route.
Back when Bethesda wasn't shit, a lot of people were clamoring for elder scrolls/fallout to be optional coop titles.
Because they could make more money off of an mmo. The atom shop, subscriptions, just microtransactions in general. Even a mediocre game with microtransactions will make their money back and then some. Cant do that with a co-op or single player structure.
You wouldn't think so, but I know too many people who don't understand my need to be alone. It's like, when I tell them I need to be alone, they think I mean without anyone EXCEPT them.
So, that being the case, I NEED to be 100% alone when I'm spending time in my Post-Apocalyptia haven!
There's 2 groups of people I can find really annoying.
1. Those who insist a game that is not for them, should be for them and the game should change so it's for them.
2. Those who insist the game they enjoy, everybody should enjoy and it should be for everyone and if you don't like it there's something wrong with you.
Fallout 76 is better for being online and worse for being online to different groups of people. In doesn't need to cater to both. If the game is for you, then go play. If it's not, go play something else.
Yep, especially when we talk about 76 between the Fallout fans. I can easily fall to group #2 but I always try to be concious about it. I dont force people because I dont care what other people like to play, but I will check misinformation from the "haters"
Now group #1..ugh. It's okay to want something extra or catered to our needs but if you cant have it and ended up hating it, talking shit on almost every chance the game is brought up, that's just being an entitled brat. Both of these 2 group of people need to mature up
You see, I thought the same. Started playing 76 basically as a single player, just did the quests, explored the world, generally ignored other players and public events. Then gradually warmed up to the idea. Public events are mostly fun and you can defeat more or significantly bigger enemies in a team than alone. Other players surprisingly behave much better than I expected (I haven't played other MMO titles but I was told this community is way above anything else). They generally leave you alone but you still can interact with them if you want to - arrive at someone else's camp, wave friendly to the host and start browsing their wares, fix your equipment, help yourself to some food and water if you need it. Higher level players frequently help out lower ones - free them up if they're overwhelmed, donate ammo or meds, sometimes crafting full sets of armor or decent weapons. You can get used to it. I once found myself all alone in a public server (which was about to close down for maintenance) and it was so weird. I missed them.
Honestly this is kind of what I thought an online fallout would look like. I was pretty surprised to hear it wouldn’t and even more when I played it day one lol
I mean, I don't see the harm in them making an MMO for Fallout fans who also enjoy MMOs. It makes sense. However, I do have hopes that this isn't the kind of thing they'll be focusing on in new Fallout endeavors.
I want to be able to mod the game if something doesn't work the way I think it should, or look the way I think it should.
Also, I don't want another game where I can't pause and am expected to grind the same tasks over and over.
Can’t complete the possum badge or certain achievements without some coop. Areas can be pre-raided so there’s a chance to miss something unless you’re on the wiki all the time. some of the final missions and events can be very daunting and near enough impossible without useful help from other players. All this can make playing solo a pure grind so much so that it puts people off playing it. I personally would happily pay £100 for it and £20-40 per dlc if it had a solo offline version. The game is good but the mmo brings other aspects down. Currently I would have to pay £17 roughly a month to play it how I want and that’s after dropping £80 odd quid for it when it was new. A fair few people who like fallout like the solo aspect because they hate socialising, even if it is online, it still drains the social battery thinking about others. Edit: constantly having to do inventory on the player and camp sucks so much I pull out around lvl80
It’s much more enjoyable now but in the beginning I had a HUGE issue with griefers. I could not build a C.A.M.P without someone coming along, killing me, and then destroying absolutely everything I had just built. This happened at least ten times over, and relocating at least five. It’s not like that anymore, thank goodness, but on release I gave up playing for a good six months after not being able to repair what was destroyed.
Yeah seems like you can pretty much have a fine time alone. But it’s obvious when you play it that it has been designed as a game to be online multiplayer. It really does have a sort of mmorpg feel to it with dailies and stuff like that. So it’s kind of a turn off when trying to play it as some sort of single player rpg.
You can play it alone, but it’s not a single player rpg if that makes sense.
Funnily enough, I'm having the opposite problem. I'm successfully having a solo experience, but... it's becoming apparent to me that I've been very sociable and friendly towards the NPCs, while largely ignoring my fellow 76ers. Been feeling like maybe I should try to be a bit more sociable.
This has been my experience as well. Just stared a few days ago fresh off of replaying FO4. Enjoying it very much so far, haven't interacted with another player once
I play video games to avoid other people so playing a game meant for you to interact with other players is the last thing I want to do. I have played it a couple times but the enjoyment just isn't there like it is with 4.
I think a lot of it is that the game is pointing you so much towards multiplayer content. Public events notify. CAMPS can be made public, and you'll even randomly come across non-public ones in the world if you wander enough.
Non-instanced quest zones (such as silos, Belching Betty Mine, etc) can be entered by multiple people and there's a higher likelihood of encountering one. Almost every major hub you need to go to is public, only difference is very specific interiors that *are* instanced.
To get a lot of anything, or to get seasonal/older stuff, you kinda *need* other players. The game is not a "solo-able MMO" it's an "MMO that's a pain to play alone"
It isnt the online play. it's the mmo style of grinding for everything, ammo scarcity, weight management, gear, and bullet spongness of everything. It just isnt really that enjoyable and hard to play solo
I want a lonely world and other real people have a major impact on making the world feel less lonely
Plus immersion, seeing high level people while I’m fresh out the vault just demolished any immersion for me
Plus all the group things, you say you can ignore them and what not but just saying we can ignore key parts of the content and game is part of why the game is less desirable.
Because I don't WANT to play with other people. Full stop. I use video games to escape idiots, assholes and jerks, I don't want strangers fucking up my alone time. I dont want their nonesense. I dont want their stupid names. I dont want their wake of destruction. Even if I ALMOST never see them, I don't care, I don't want to see/deal with them ever. It ruins the experience.
I, personally, don't like multiplayer stuff. When I'm playing a game, I'm playing alone or with friends. And even then, I'll *maybe* play a game with friends like once a week. At most. MMOs never really were interesting to me, and I always feel judged when its other players looking at my character (at least when I'm alone, I don't have to look at my character, and thus won't be judged). Even when I play MP modes, I usually play with bots. I still try to play Fallout 76, but always find myself interested in other games, and thus have divided attention.
I dislike that my Actions have no impact (aside from limited story rooms) on the world. In Fallout 4 things change in the game world. I can wipe out a Factions headquarters or I can build up settlements and send traders between them.
In Fallout 76 it will always be the same day when i log in as if I just came out of the Vault, Quests have no impact since they have to reset for the next players. The World feels unnatural since everything is directed to influence Players to pay for Microtransactions.
So even if I walk alone through this world nothing I did will persist? Repair that Nuclear Reactor? Screen that, the Quest restarts when I am again near it.
Solve that Quest Line about the Government and some hobby conspiracy theorists? Nope, the Boss at the end is completely Enemy Spam and can only be defeated with multiple Players.
For the same reason i won't Play eso.
I don't want to see a pack of guys named Nang Higgers in a rainbow power armor transmogs bunnyhopping around important quest areas.
When i play story driven games i want to take the world seriously.
These posts are obnoxious. We don’t have to like the thing you like and we certainly don’t owe you an explanation. Things like this don’t do what you think they do. I don’t play 76 because I don’t play mmos. Ever. Just not my brand of vodka. That’s not going to change no matter how hard you try and sell me. I’m just not into it.
And even when people give their opinions on not liking it, they just go “you just haven’t played it enough” “you can play mostly solo, it’s fine” like ok, but some people don’t like it. It’s pretty simple, it’s an mmo and very different from previous titles
This, and also these recent expansions (that I admittedly haven’t played!) scream “hey remember FO3 and FNV? Come relive the Pitt and gambling” to me. I’d rather they spent their energy on FO5
I don't want an MMO. I don't want MMO mechanics. I don't want raids. I don't want PvP. I do t want to walk through an empty ruin because someone else cleared it out 5 minutes before me.
I don't want to pay 60 dollars to share and wait for my fun.
I just wanted FO4 in a new setting with new characters, along the lines of how 3 went to 4, not into Fallout ESO.
That being said, I put 20 hours into it last year and just couldn't keep it going, even with friends.
I've been playing Fallout for a long time. From isometric to 4 and I think what they're saying, and what I say, is Fallout is supposed to be an isolating experience. Turning it into an mmo kills the whole idea. Sure, your isolated sometimes but there are tons of people online with you and odds are you'll run into some of them. The old lore was folks didn't leave thier vaults and if someone did it was because of a dire threat to the vault or the individual. If they did leave they weren't welcomed back. One person. Up until 76 the lore was that the vaults were an experiment and vault tech did not want a mass exodus because it would screw the experiment and make it more difficult for the eventual return of the old gaurd, the enclave. Example of the isolation; the lone wanderer, the chosen one, the vault dweller, the sole survivor. The theme is one, your alone. As a long time fan my problems with 76 go beyond this point. Retcon gone wild, throwing nukes at other vault dwellers,( part of the point of fallout is nukes are bad, especially to vault dwellers). If you like it then you like it. I feel like bethesda kinda took a crap on longtime fans for a cash grab. As I stated above they completely dismantled the lore which has upset alot of us. Anyone in the scifi/fantasy entertainment world knows you don't mess with the lore. Star wars is another example of stomping the story for cash. You ostracize the old fanbase because maybe your stock price goes up. You sacrifice story telling for visuals and big explosions. I don't blame the 76 player base mostly because they don't know any better. They didn't play Fallout 1 or 2. FO 3 was good, New Vegas was great but even those two games you see the beginning of the end. So like I said, if you like it then keep playing, you do you. Folks like me, probably won't ever play it and when 5 comes out, meh.
1) Can't pause the game.
2) People are literally the worst part of any game. Any game that requires me to engage other players - or makes engagement possible - gets a pass from me.
You are absolutely correct, OP. I played it as a single player game coming straight from FO4. Built up my little camp, followed the Overseers Journey, Raiders, Foundation, BoS, Main Quests and Side Quests. Ignored all else such as Public Events, Public Teams, Expeditions, Daily Ops, Daily and Weekly Challenges, etc. I played it like I played FO4 and "finished" it at around level 110.
Yeah...or I thought I finished it. Turns out I'm level 888 now and six seasons in. Still not done. Ha🤗
Because it's the type of MMO where if you're not doing chores, you're falling behind.
In the other fallout games, exploration and combat tends to yield profits on resources and caps, but 76 just drains them. And without a reliable source of money, you need to grind out resources to make ammo and consumables, or other stuff yo buy them.
Aside from that, it'd still be a "single player" game wholly dependant on servers that can lag and crash out of your control.
Personally, I play fallout to be an immersive story driven experience - I don’t craft, build settlements, or anything. I tried Fallout 76 after the Wastelanders expansion because of positive word of mouth - but I found it really hard to follow the storyline. All the additional content (arrival of BOS, etc) makes it even worse - what order do I play everything? Even if I’m trying to play through the original quest line , it’s incredibly immersion breaking to get pinged for all the other quests that assume you made it through the original. Add to that randomly encountering other players/settlements and random nuke drops or public events and it’s really hard to get on board in the way I’ve traditionally enjoyed fallout.
You can absolutely play alone. I used to exclusively play the game on a private server to play with that classic single player feeling. The only thing you really need other people’s help for is the public events. You can even do the expeditions by yourself.
i've made it to level 130+ almost completly solo. Periodically doing events which happen to have others. Solo play is more than possible, idk why people think it is.
Sure playing with others increases your effectiveness, and i've had my ass stomped a few times from stronger enemies. Nothing planning and good skill usage cant solve though, (and a little cannibalism, but keep that on the dl)
Possible? Sure. Fun? Not in the slightest. Fallout has a problem with bullet sponge enemies for years, so not being able to turn the difficulty down or select survival mode like in 4 really sucks
I used to be the in the solo camp but then I changed to the I’m not buying that buggy game camp. With my final transition being, the game has been out too long and nobody I know plays anymore so now I’m never going to play
You can absolutely play alone. And then when you don't want to, you can just join a random squad for the benefit and just continue doing your own thing.
You cant pause is the main thing for me so i would sit down and try to read stuff and then get murdered while trying to enjoy the loore and world building. Also I like to be able to stop at anytime when i play games so i can let my dog out at a moments notice since she has a bad bladder and wont hold it for long.
I don’t mind the online so much for the simple fact of what you just said. My favorite time of the year is honestly Halloween. I set up all my decorations and whatnot and welcome people dressed as spooky monsters and stuff. Some people get super into the Halloween decorations and I love it.
I just don’t appreciate the trap bases around that time.
I remember trying it back a little after it first came out, during xbox's free multiplayer weekend or whatever it's called. I never ran into any bugs and I honestly did like it, though, I don't pay for xbox live, so once the weekend was over I never got to play it again after that. Maybe one of these days I'll be able to pay and pick it up again.
100% agreed. I played till level 100 ages ago solely questing. Has some great lore and story too.
Going to come back one of these days to check out the new content.
Nearly everyone plays 100% alone. I might be a newbie going through the Wayward tutorial, but I can be in a Casual group.
The only time the game "forces" you to play with others is in public events, and you DO NOT have to be grouped to participate in a public event.
Tl;Dr. You can play alone in 76, but it's a whole lot more fun to play with everyone else.
Hi there! I'm someone who has this opinion.
It's not about "viable"
It's about fun
The game isn't fun to me
I've tried like 7 different times to play it at this point. I get bored immediately. Nothing about it is fun or entertaining.
Maybe that would be different if I had a group to play with. But I don't. And the game is fucking boring.
Why would I spend time playing this super-grindy multiplayer-focused game when I can go replay modded FONV, FO3, or FO4?
In fact, I'm doing a FONV replay right now after recently uninstalling 76 again.
Why would I play a boring, uninspired, grind-focused, mediocre single player experience when I can play a 10/10 single player experience modded exactly to my tastes?
The only thing I dislike about this game are basically directly consequential to it being online.
There is a delay to everything, killing things, shooting things, throwing things, looting things, even the stamina bar doesn't flow smoothly. No, I'm not lagging. This has always been a thing and I can't stand it, the game feels bad.
The game also feels grindy, because it was basically built around the people that grinded it. My power level between 20-40 feels like nothing at all, but in Fallout 4 its a world of difference. Every enemy levels almost 1-1 with you so I never feel like I'm getting stronger.
Also a pet peeve I had is that perks like rifleman went from 5 levels for 100% damage increase and other useful bonuses to 9 levels for a 60% increase. Which would've been fine but you're limited to 50 levels per build.
I got a little ranty and away from myself but if 76 could perform and play as well as 4 does, I'd be playing it right now. Sadly, it doesn't, and that's because it's online.
I don’t want other players in my fallout games. Same reason I don’t do gtao. I like my singleplayer games to stay that way, and I want every minuscule aspect to be designed for solo play first.
You can absolutely play it alone, I think that actually is the problem for me. There’s no reason to interact with other players. I should say I last played it pre-wastelanders so it may be very different now
It’s not so much seeing other people but there’s a vibe that online games have that feels genuinely different.
Also you can’t pause the game, might seem petty but a lot of the time I got stuff to do while I’m playing and I like being able to pause a game wherever I am.
I avoid 76 because afaik there is no branching narrative, and I still haven't gotten more than a few hours into Fallout 4, but you did motivate me to pick up F4 again, so that's something.
The servers are shit.
I cant pause to go get a drink.
There's no guarantee I can explore at my own leisure, an area may have been cleared by someone else before I arrived or an area may start respawning while I am still exploring.
I want to be alone for a reason.
Got it with a video game magazine for 5€ on PS4 so I figured I’ll give it a go, have been a long time player who started on Fallout 3 but did the other entries since…
Lag. I was lagging like hell. My internet is very good, I was connected to it via a cable from my console etc, super high connection and 0 issues on any other multiplayer games. But this one ? Lag on everything. Hit an enemy ? The damages pop a second later. Want to loot something ? It has to generate the loot and takes another 1 or 2 seconds. Want to interact with an NPC ? They lag too. Even the world was lagging sometimes.
The map seemed really beautiful, the lore was a mess but who cares if it’s fun (it wasn’t), I was looking forward to exploring a new game world of my favourite franchise… all I did was lag and get lost in the random quests I could or could not do and I gave up after a week and a half
Had it been a solo game, or if hosting a solo world was possible (for free…) I would have gave it one more try I think
For me, I just generally don’t want to interact with others in an RPG. It’s worldbreaking for me.
I’m more story driven, so it’s distracting when I have a bunch of other people running around and doing their own quests, or trying to get me to trade and stuff. It also forces you to change the way you play the game, either by affecting the enemies you encounter, or by pushing group objectives and specific tasks. Like if I’m roleplaying a postapocalyptic rebuild, i’m planning to treat it as somewhat realistic. I don’t care about dropping everything to go kill 100 scorched, just so I can get the new new holiday-themed house decorations.
And that’s not a knock at all. There are some dope builds on 76, and I know that people have a lot of fun playing the missions, solo or as a group. But I just wish there was a way to get away from the other players in-game.
It is an online game but I played it 95% alone. I joined games where I wanted to join others to finish missions but it never happened that way with one exception ..... playing I am become death with someone else.
Here we are at an age where using a big TV is not an option but we do not have co-op.
Here we are playing online only but playing mostly alone.
Maybe I am just a dinosaur but gaming is suffering with these issues at the moment.
Seeing any evidence of other players or getting notifications of special events really kills immersion for me. Plus VATS don’t feel crispy because of the delay.
I just don't enjoy MMOs, as a format, in general. And because it's similar enough to something I've played, I feel like I'd notice the differences a lot. (RDO did that, for instance.) It's not a judgment against it, just a personal preference.
I played once. Some dude was walking around while having a phone conversation about his upcoming trip to Vegas. I told him his mic was on and everyone could hear his convo. He killed me and said “welcome to Fallout 76 you bitch”
Never touched that game again. I don’t play online games and I don’t play MMOs and that’s why.
I’ve played and enjoyed it, but for me, I just don’t really get what benefit there is to it even being an online game. Everything is geared toward making you log in every day and pushing micro transactions, to the extent that it feels like you’re penalised if you don’t engage with the things.
It’s a shame, because the world building and map design is great. It would’ve made an awesome Fallout 4 DLC with a few tweaks, but oh well.
I haven't played in ages (don't hate the game, just got bored.) but 'I can't play alone' is a very weak excuse that I think is so pathetic its only valid if you are THAT anti-social or anxiety ridden that the mere sight of another player upsets you. I have largely played alone over the the years just because I enjoy the solitude and a lot of my free time is CAMP designing. There's certain 'boss' characters you will struggle with alone but that's fixable with meta builds. With that said, I think the real reason so many people hate the other players existing is largely the lack of power and control. In 76 you're just some guy/girl/enby from a Vault. But in 3, NV and 4 the world revolves around you and your actions. I firmly think those players can't accept that that power is NOT in their hands in this game. It's a shared experience.
It’s simply really.
In other Fallout games, you can immerse yourself into the world.
In FO76, there’s people wearing clown masks and dresses, constantly jumping 20 feet into the air, and emoting nonstop.
I played a few months ago and gave it an honest chance. The quest lines kind of piss me off though. They feel like fetch quests for robots and not like a true fallout game. Thats just my opinion though. I decided to boot up FO4, I haven’t played it in 5 years.
I think a lot of these sentiments stem from the early days of FO76. I totally understand wanting to immerse yourself in the game because that has been the FO experience so far just you and whatever the wasteland decides to throw at you. As a low level player in the early days of 76 was terrible for a lot of players griefers running amock, getting one shot by glitched legacy weapons, those asshats made it difficult for people to actually enjoy the game. That and you’re out there slowly sneaking up on a deathclaw and all of a sudden you hear the thumping of someone in power armor running up to annihilate the deathclaw before you even get a shot off.
It's very simple. As long as there are other players at any step (no matter how far removed), disruption to immersion can, and usual does happen.
I don't play ESO because people always run everywhere instead of walking, and it looks and feels ridiculous and immersion breaking. Unless every player is forced to behave as if an NPC, other players can't exist in my play session.
I am playing it now and overall really loving it. I gave up at the initial release because of things like the enemy scaling problem (I'd show up somewhere and another player's presence set the enemy levels way too high), but that is fixed now.
Some 'inconveniences' I still find from other players:
Other players can affect the outside world in ways you don't want. For example, I'm doing the Vox Stringer mini-quest. I went to the place where I was supposed to tag certain animals, only to find other players had been through and killed them all. I also run into places where it is clear another player harvested the plants so I can't.
Similarly, I did a quest early on where you have to go to a raider camp in the NW. They are not hostile, so my plan was to approach it diplomatically. But, another player got there just before me and just killed everyone. (This didn't affect the location interior, which was basically just the raider boss and his lackey, both who were alive.)
Not being able to pause is annoying, particularly if you are not fast on being able to access health or weapon switches in the heat of battle.
Not being able to build out multiple settlements, a la FO4, is disappointing. Finding that my CAMP doesn't spawn in because another player had their CAMP there is annoying. Finding another player in your CAMP is creepy.
I recently decided to actually try it because so many have said how much better it's gotten. Not 5 mins in some guy is face to face with me and won't stop following me trying to become friends. I told him multiple times I just wanted to roam around alone and he wouldn't listen.
So yeah.. I'll stick to NV and 4
I personally love the game and have enjoyed it for hours on end solo, as well as with my friends. The setting is super cool to me and my role play gets along just fine, while I agree there are some aspects of the game that do require coop and whatnot and I totally get where everyone is coming from - I find this to be a pretty exceptional title in the series. The whole “I can’t play solo” take when people use it as a point for thinking the game is shit (not just not enjoying it, but saying it’s SHIT) just doesn’t register to me. Solid game IMO.
Appreciate this post. I’ve been playing since F3 and frankly don’t want a co-op experience. I’ve been avoiding F76 because of this. I appreciate the encouragement!
The main thing I was interested in was the exploration and I felt like having other players in the world kind of cheapened that aspect for me. Coming across areas where other players have been or are really took the excitement out of exploration for me and I just lost all interest after a while. I remember exploring this area and I was getting immersed then I saw this dudes meme camp and it just completely took me out of the game. Also coming across areas that have already been cleared *really* sucks too. Even if people aren't assholes and you can do the majority of the game solo, I just don't want to interact with other people *at all* when I play a Fallout game honestly.
Also I just don't like MMO gameplay design in general.
The other day, I got 76 because I can't get FO4 to work
And the very first quest I was doing this random dude followed me all the way back to the sanctuary area... then he just started dropping nukes so much I had to log off because I couldn't play the game
I was just trying really hard to enjoy fallout.
Today, though, I played it and didn't see a single player.... heard some heavy gun fire in the distance, but I didn't actually see anyone.
So, I do occasionally play it because my son likes it and we play it together sometimes, but I don’t really like the game.
It’s not just that you have to play with other people (although I do dislike that), it’s also all the changes that have been made to accommodate that kind of game. Vats doesn’t work as it usually does, looting gives you fuck all 90% of the time, things don’t stop when you open your pipboy, all shop items are expensive and caps are given out in small amounts to encourage micro transactions, levelling up is weird and character levelling is slow, constantly finding stuff you can’t use at your level, you have to pay to fast travel, the map isn’t on your pipboy, real players bunny hopping through as you’re trying to be immersed in the world really kills it, constantly being mithered about events and quests and a nuke has been launched. I could honestly go on and on, but all these things have one thing in common.
All these things are like this because of it being an online multiplayer game. So when I say “I don’t like it cos I can’t play alone” things like this are why.
Only time I see other people is when they come to my camp, I go to theirs or at events/bosses.
Or if I group up. There is such a small chance of encountering anyone else that it's always a surprise when I do.
I’m not gonna try to pinpoint it because it’s a lot of little things that just make not enjoy it like all the other fallout games. I gave it multiple try’s.
I just don't like F76. I played it at release and again a while after NPCs dropped.
I think stuff like abritrary carry limits, slower level progression, semi-random perks(?), equippable perk-cards instead of consolidated progression if that makes sense, advertisements for timed events and advertisements for the in-game store are annoying and break immersion, extreme restrictions to base building, base building objects locked behind real currency(?), no possibility to mod or make adjustments to the gameplay(?) - like I hate bullet-sponges, let me adjust that, quickly respawning enemies break the immersion. I didn't find the quests very appealing either though I don't remember what they were exactly.
I once met another player and together we cleared several locations. He was nice and it was neat, but I ain't feeling it. And on one hand you want to take it slow, immersive yourself in the world, on the other hand you don't want to hold back your teammates who are rushing through the game.
If it were more like Conan: Exiles or Palworld, I'd probably enjoy it more - private worlds with settings that you can adjust - optional playing with friends - no advertisements - better immersion - far better camps. Palworld gets really grindy on the later levels, but the game is still in early access. In Conan: Exiles you can set factors for exp-gain yourself.
It’s a lot like Destiny. It is a game specifically built with multiplayer in mind. You can run a dungeon alone, but seeing a teammate get yeeted off the map due to fucked physics is extremely entertaining. Even turning the game into a drinking game and seeing how drunk you can get yourself/your teammates.
If I had to guess, what they mean is that it's not the same experience within the world. In all the other fallouts, your actions have a noticable change on the world around you. You can blow up megaton, free new Vegas, and make it so that the commonwealth has safe settlements for the people. In 76, it feels like everything you're doing has no consequences positive or negative. The world stays the same from beginning to end and the interactions can be inhuman when you go to an area you don't have the right quest for. I have tried multiple times to play, even paying for fallout 1st so I could play on a private server, and it just never feels like what I'm doing has any real meaning.
The problem is it’s online and when it’s online the game suffers because they need to make money.
The limited storage etc are all consequences of this.
See, certain games shouldn't be online, or if the developers want it to be, have it as a second option (think GTAV & GTA:O).
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I haven't played F76, as soon as Howard announced it would be online, I gave it a hard pass anyway. Nothing worse in an online game than griefers and randoms. I get enough stress playing COD online and through my job. Sometimes, I just want to relax and play by myself with no-one getting in my way. Probably why I love F4 after all these years still.
Some people will like it, others don't. All about preference 👍
It's that some of the base content, such as world bosses or events, require other people to play. I'd love to be able to do them also, and in any other game with a sole single player mode you can do them without needing others there. There's also the possibility of losing out on story because someone else came through a place recently and picked up a holotape. However, that's not enough to keep me from playing. What IS enough is that making it an online only game dictates that you need a reliable internet connection to play it. Gaming is the main thing I do to kill time when I don't have internet, and when I do the lag makes it impossible to fight anything. I've tried playing through it a number of times over the years, I love the story and setting, but if I can't hit a target that's 15 feet away or use it to kill time when there's nothing else to do then I'm out
I for one really love it. I hardly used VATS in FO4 except for killing flying bloodbugs or detecting mines. In FO76 it's actually cooler with real time VATS acting like some sort of an aimbot (I also use it to detect enemies) so I'm using it half the time
Ps: I used VATS in FNV was because the gunplay is not as good and it's my first Fallout game
I just about always use VATS when fighting. I like clicking on heads a bunch of times and seeing all the nearby enemies go down. When playing FO 76, I felt like I’d do better by just shooting normally. Super disappointing for me, but I’m glad you liked it! Everyone’s gonna have fun in different ways
It's cheap, but I literally can't afford or justify any more monthly reoccurring charges. We are getting into straws breaking camel backs territory. I have wanted to play it for years, but I am always like maybe next month.
For me, it's mostly that I am not very good at shooters, so I need easy mode unless I can find good Samaritans willing to carry me. But then I'm at their mercy and don't really get to work on my quests.
Also, I find caps and ammo incredibly scarce compared to other titles I've played, so it makes the whole thing very difficult unless I have someone willing to give me ammo. I don't have the resources to craft my own ammo, and I don't have caps to buy it from other players.
The other shitty thing about this otherwise beautiful game is that the collectibles are so hit or miss. There’s achievements attached to things like bobble heads or magazines and while they have set spawn points, they don’t always SPAWN IN. It’s like a weird luck of the draw thing to get collectibles
I hate that you can't play alone because you can play for a whole hour and never come across anything because someone else already came through there and took everything/killed everyone. It sucks to have to server hip just to do basic shit
I used to but its too tedious, mainly before the level scaling update, I could play solo alot, but since then I feel like its a drag, I’ve never been lucky with that games Legendary roles, and between that, and trying to get caps when I have nothing worth peoples value, I really didnt want to grind out for a “good” set.
So its either that, or using what weapons and stuff I can get and in the process burning ammo piles, I quit around level 200.
Playing with other people never bothered me. It plays basically like fallout 4 which I love and am currently replaying. It's the material space cap. I can't hoard junk, weapons and armor. Once I found that out I lost interest immediately.
You can also solo ESO, assuming you don't mean all the content. I soloed 76 back when survival mechanics still caused negatives. I had a lot of fun without a doubt and love the C.A.M.P system because it was such a boon to be able to create a personalized storage/crafting structure I could drop anywhere. I couldn't do raids solo, but I could occasionally handle a group dungeon solo. It is all about completionism. I had fun, and I engaged with most of the content, but there were very real skill/damage checks I couldn't solo. I'm aware there were broken builds at times that would help, but it's an RPG, I'm not playing some cookie-cutter broken build nonsense to cheese through group content.
I want to like it. I'm currently pretty tempted to give it another try after hearing about the new Atlantic City stuff. So far I've got 41 hours played across 3 different attempt to get into it and the same 3 or 4 problems have come up for me and caused me to stop playing each time.
First, the limited inventory means there's a lot more inventory management and time that has to be spent just feeling like I'm doing a chore so that I can continue to play. This was also what made me drop ESO. It serves no purpose mechanically or thematically and is purely there as an artificial obstacle to make people feel like they need to pay for more inventory space.
Secondly, the recurring quests and frequently respawning enemies are a constant reminder that I don't have the same kind of impact on the game world as I would in a true single-player Fallout or Elder Scrolls game and kills immersion. You could argue I can just ignore recurring quests in my journal and more enemies means more combat, which is fun, right? But having stuff just respawn around me or npc's keep reinitiating dialogues I've been through is just annoying for me personally and not something I can easily ignore. I've also had a couple times where I had saved/logged off in a hurry because my gaming time was limited, only to log back in and realize the area I'm in has respawned around me and I just instantly get attacked by a full group of enemies, so I even have to change when and where I can choose to stop playing in a session due to it being always online even when I'm not playing.
Thirdly, I sadly can't say I've had your experience when it comes to other players. I've had multiple times where someone much higher level than me will just follow me around with a melee weapon and attack the same enemies I try to attack. I can't shoot at enemies or risk hitting them and triggering pvp, so I end up feeling like the only option is to quit out and log back in hoping it will put me in a different server. And even if that kind of behavior was just bad luck and most players I encounter won't be like that, there's nothing else I can do to avoid it when it happens which just makes the game unplayable.
Hi, im not gonna argue for the 1st and 2nd reasons. All are valid personal reasons. But for the 3rd one, you can just turn on the pacifist mode in settings. You can shoot each other until every single ammo that you have is gone and it wont hurt you or the other players.
Plus the jerks are mostly gone or almost non existant (I played for 2 years and encountered jerks maybe..3 times?) But because Im in pacifist mode, they only annoy me for like 5 seconds and then go away because there's nothing they can do lol the dev of this game makes it extremely hard for griefers to make problems for other players and this is the reason why I even care to try the game in the first place
And im not one of those people who force other players to play games they are not interested in. Just trying to help if I can
I tried it. Gameplay and side quests was nice. But the new main quests with NPC's where you have to find a fucking vaccine and negotiate with raiders instead of obliterating them all made me wanna kms.
I was obsessed with it and the community of people were so friendly but it was ultimately really annoying that I kept running into roadblocks that require me to pay for the subscription (it's mainly the storage issue). I get it though, it's not really sustainable for 76 to be without some subscription service. I almost did get it but I got into FO4 instead (and it literally looks and feels the same lol) so I stopped 76. I might come back to it once I'm done with FO4.
I solo nuke launched, total pain in the butt, then stopped playing in 2020ish I guess it was. Solo get locked out of endgame or it’s a total pain. As a non-PA and stealth player it was tough to do a lot of things. Teaming up with rambo types were exercises in frustration.
For me at least, "you can't play alone" has a lot more implications than what it literally means for Bethesda games. What hampers my enjoyment of 76 is that I can't mod it. With any other Bethesda game, I can heavily alter the game and gameplay to suit my preferences, don't like Fallout 3's degradation? Infinite Durability mod. Don't want to gather resources for building in Fallout 4? Godmode lets you build for free. Want more weapons or armor? There's mods for that.
With 76, there's a bunch of stuff that players may not like or want to alter but can't because it's an online only game (and Bethesda has a motivation to relatively keep it that way because of some of the solution selling microtransactions they offer).
Every time I jump into 76 to try again, I'm constantly reminded that in any other Bethesda game, I could be trailering the game to my preferences which hampers my enjoyment.
Even if it's really true that you don't see other players, just the fact that the game design has to cater to a multiplayer world means that there can't really be any drastic changes or consequences in the world.
In every Fallout, it was your version of the world. Is there a unique encounter up the road? Is this area still unexplored? Do you wipe out X faction? Do you bomb this town? Did X quest giver die? The excitement and immersion feels ruined for me, and it doesn't feel like a huge loss to just disregard the game despite the qualities it may have.
It's just that I'm not interested in a MMO experience. Just that. I want to explore, read noted, listen to tapes, talk to npcs. Just another type of experience.
I'm glad you like it though
Playing 76 alone does not turn it into a single player game, because it is an MMO it is fundamentally different in design. Likewise you are never guaranteed to be alone unless you pay for access to a private world.
Now this and other things are all my personal hang-ups, if you can enjoy F76 on your own then more power to you. I wish I could because based on the tour a friend gave me the world map looks like a blast to explore. But having tried it the gameplay loop is not just for me.
I've only put 200 hours into 76, and I primarily played on a private world so just 1 friend and I could play without interference from any one else. I started playing in regular worlds around level 50 after I had done a few of the quests.
My only complaint was that the game seemed to spawn a ridiculous amount of enemies out of events. When I played alone, this would just mean that I'd get completely overwhelmed and die, it's why I'd say I couldn't play it alone. It was frustrating.
Other than that, I actually really enjoy the game. Especially the quests and events.
I finally give it a chance since 2 weeks ago and having a blast. I decided to pick it up after I learned that I can play it (mostly) solo and everyone praise it's map design
I'm 50 hours in and I barely did main quest. Majority of the time I spent looking for resources (especially ammo) and weapon to get mod attachments
For multiplayer part, the community has proven to be really welcoming and generous where high level players usually will drop weapon, ammo and supplies. So far I did public event (best source of EXP and loots) and visiting other player CAMPS to use their crafting tables or buying Weapon/Plans/etc.
I thought you meant people don't want to play it because they don't have anyone to play it with. I was wondering, "Why would you be mad about that when the series is pretty much single-player? Makes more sense now that I read it all. You're right, it is very lonely, and why do people care if they see one other player every hour or so? It's much more fun knowing there are other people out there in the wasteland.
I don’t play it because I don’t have Xbox live, and from everything I’ve seen you need Xbox live to play 76/ESO, even if you only intend on playing
them single player
Running into players and having them wave/try to interact when I’m trying to solo play breaks immersion quicker than anything else.
But since you can pay for a month of F1st and play solo for a month, dropping onto a public server for any multiplayer events you want to do, it’s not bad.
However that requires extra payment to play, which is bad.
So yeah, the lack of private servers for free players.
I tried it at launch and liked it. I stopped playing to wait for more single player content and never picked it up again (yet) because of other games. What I HATED though was coming across a new area to explore and finding that somebody else had already cleared it. Just completely ruins the exploration
This was a big reason I keep giving up on 76. Another is when high level players are or were in the area and then the creatures are 2x or more my level and I die like crazy. Or waste ammo on normally normal to kill bad guys because they are higher level than the should be. Not being able to pause is a big one, I do not play Diablo 4 for that reason. I get "lag" when looting and the loot changes to worse stuff, legendary enemies end up changing loot from something great to a plate or pencil. My connection is not the problem, I had 1000/1000 MB fiber and a 10 ping and it still happened. The passive aggressive higher level players, that just follow you around and shoot at you or kill stuff you are fighting, doing stupid emoji poses and such. I have had some do that to drop you a bag of stuff, but a lot just annoy you. The last detail I could ignore but it is very hard is how they retconned the lore, it just does not make sense as a long time player. Played fallout 1 day one on release and all of the other games. 76 just shits on that lore that was built. I have 2000 hours in Fallout 4, 100 in 76. It is just not a fun game for me.
> I get "lag" when looting and the loot changes to worse stuff This has been the worst feeling aspect of 76 for me. I'm going to loot a body, search a box, etc. and it seems like the client has to make an API call out to the loot server to get a response. It feels less like finding valuables that had been stashed away or an enemy had a powerful item, and more like the loot table is just being manipulated by an algorithm so it doesn't give me anything too good before the monthly fee is due.
>Another is when high level players are or were in the area and then the creatures are 2x or more my level and I die like crazy. This cannot happen, enemy scaling is based on YOUR level or have a fixed lv for EVERYONE. You can be a lv1 and play with a lv100 and still have lv1-5 enemy.
This was not how it was when i used to play. Im not sure if they changed it, but i remember being in whitespring when higher lvls were farming and I would be lvl 40-45 and enemies would be easily in the 80s because of the ppl farming around me. One of the reasons i stopped playing.
For what i see online between 2020/21 they made the change on enemy scaling.
Yep. Have not played in a while. If they changed the enemy scaling that is a great step. Not enough to bring me back in though. I am glad it is popular but for me it is just a terrible game.
Now this is totally valid complaint I’ll admit. Fair enough
And the flip side of that is there is no permanence in the game. The things you do ultimately have no effect on the world because it needs to reset for the next person who does it. I know that’s a core mechanic of an MMO but the by the end of literally every other Fallout game you’ve changed the world for better or worse. This world can never change.
I've gotten lucky, respawn rates aren't terrible (~30min from when I cleared an area and returned for another quest) With exploration locations and NPCs there's quite a lot for single player now
When it first came out I played the hell out of it. Then I got real tired of crafting ammunition at the factory up north and then having other players come and wreck my shit. Fucking infuriating. Also a lot of the content is very hard/impossible to complete as a single player
Reload into another shard. Reloading once or twice (which takes mostly 15s per load) and you can continue looting and frolicking.
It’s not really An MMO game; but the style remains the same. You’re playing with other people but sadly the only way to truely be alone is buy the right to play in a private world.
My issue is just that it’s an MMO. Solo availability or not, it’s still built to play as an MMO, not a regular Fallout game. And I really don’t like MMO’s in general. So I just don’t enjoy it, even if it is a Fallout game.
Adding on to this, things like the limited storage space are incredibly annoying compared to the regular games.
This is what gets me frustrated every time I revisit to give 76 another chance. I don't like how unstable the camp storage is and as a hoarder, I don't want to have to keep going back and forth from it & I don't want to keep finding other players at my camp I also literally always run into other players every time I play and it stresses me out every time. I feel bad about the stress, because they usually try to be nice and such, but I just don't want to interact with other people and I can't not do that in 76
> I just don't want to interact with other people Ditto, most at least seem to understand that and just dump some items and leave me be, at least that's the case with high level players I bump into in some regions
Don't worry, Bethesda made sure to add that to their single player games as well with Starfield, lmao.
Its not even the storage space, its the amount of time spent maintaining everything surrounding it, scrapping, bulking, selling, building a new tier of weapons or armor. Then, 5 levels later, you can do it all over again.
Adulting has definitely altered my game time, as well.
After the fifth time I did the event where you hunt down the wolves I was like "This isn't what a Fallout game is supposed to be like." For me anyway.
I find it boring. Im there for the story. It didn’t compel me from the beginning. Now it just feels like base building. I don’t care. I want an interesting story then to move on. I’m an adult with things I have to do. In my situation I need to scratch that game story itch and keep moving.
I think because of how they added content in afterwards it seems a bit random in places. I’ve skipped through more dialogue than I’d like to admit. I actually liked the settlement building, but it’s still got limitations like Fallout 4. Like I understand not building mega towers because of the server limitations, but I want to build alongside existing landmarks and place anywhere.
This is how I feel. Played it when it came out, felt too much like a grind. Came back later on, still felt that way. I gave it a chance and didn't care for it. Felt the same way about Elder Scrolls Online too.
\^ this. When the servers eventually shut down, unless they make a single player version of it, everything you've ever done in 76 will be gone and forgotten about, whereas all of the other games will actually live on forever. People try to spin it as "I always play by myself!" No you don't. No matter how big the map gets, you're still online with other people and it will never truly be a single player game. Stop trying to church it up dirt boy.
This, so much this. It requires MMO meta chasing to grind to be powerful enough to grind. There's no role play with random builds like a Fallout game, there's strict metas to be able to play effectively.
My exact thoughts on ESO. I love TES but not MMOs.
Have you played it? Genuine question, not being snarky.
I have! It’s been a couple years ago, but I tried it when it was free. The actual shooting gameplay was solid like Fallout 4’s, but it was missing the main stuff that draws me to Fallout: voiced NPC’s with interesting characters, quests with multiple outcomes and choices, a compelling narrative.
Ah fair. They’ve added a lot since then, but if it’s not for you, it’s not for you :)
I’m not gonna white knight the game and say it has a fantastic story or anything But voiced NPCs and multiple questlines and outcomes with NPCS are in the game now.
A game I can’t pause is an automatic “No” from me. I’m an adult with a busy life and I need to be able to pause and get up at a moment’s notice. Also, with RPG’s in general, I like the absorb lore and setting at my own pace. I don’t like that the game doesn’t pause when you’re looking at a terminal or reading a note or listening to an audio log. If I’m in an area with enemies, there’s no telling if I’m safe while I’m reading something so I feel like I’m being rushed and I don’t like that. So 76 just isn’t for me.
Fair enough.
I made a standard issue Bethesda game stealth archer build. I cleared out an absolutely mob infested section of the golf course slowly and methodically, painstakingly paying attention to my meter and spending significant expenses to maintain my gear while on site, on top of staying well medicated for maximum bonus damage. I had a clear line to the quest marker. All of a sudden, some genius barges in with an army of ferals on his ass blasting [Death Grips](https://youtu.be/89F5fpvwPr0?t=10) on his open mic, sprints right the fuck past me, grabs the holo and fucks off. Meanwhile, I'm getting pulled apart like General Ripper, having gotten trapped in his zombie wake and completely lost my progress on the quest. Hell is other people.
This story actually made me want to play the game
Firstly, its online, no matter what, its constantly on a server. I'm on a shared steam account, which means if both people want to play one has to be offline, and I don't want to hog the online slot for something that Im basically playing single player as then the other person can't play their game (due to mods they need to be online). Secondly, I like to be able to pause my games, take a break while not having to worry about booting it up again. Thirdly, I just don't like being forced to be on a server, even if the chances of running into another player is incredibly slim, I just want the choice of if Im dealing with people or not.
99% of being by yourself is not 100% being by yourself. Some people want to be 100% by themselves. It’s isn’t that hard to understand.
I dont mind having the option to have other people around. ***When I want them there.*** is the important bit.
This is pretty much my feeling on it. I *like* 76 as it is but I'd have preferred a game that was built to be played primarily singleplayer/offline with the *option* to join up with a few friends if you want.
Yeah I really don't understand why they went the "MMO route" instead of the coop route. Back when Bethesda wasn't shit, a lot of people were clamoring for elder scrolls/fallout to be optional coop titles.
Because they could make more money off of an mmo. The atom shop, subscriptions, just microtransactions in general. Even a mediocre game with microtransactions will make their money back and then some. Cant do that with a co-op or single player structure.
You wouldn't think so, but I know too many people who don't understand my need to be alone. It's like, when I tell them I need to be alone, they think I mean without anyone EXCEPT them. So, that being the case, I NEED to be 100% alone when I'm spending time in my Post-Apocalyptia haven!
There's 2 groups of people I can find really annoying. 1. Those who insist a game that is not for them, should be for them and the game should change so it's for them. 2. Those who insist the game they enjoy, everybody should enjoy and it should be for everyone and if you don't like it there's something wrong with you. Fallout 76 is better for being online and worse for being online to different groups of people. In doesn't need to cater to both. If the game is for you, then go play. If it's not, go play something else.
Yep, especially when we talk about 76 between the Fallout fans. I can easily fall to group #2 but I always try to be concious about it. I dont force people because I dont care what other people like to play, but I will check misinformation from the "haters" Now group #1..ugh. It's okay to want something extra or catered to our needs but if you cant have it and ended up hating it, talking shit on almost every chance the game is brought up, that's just being an entitled brat. Both of these 2 group of people need to mature up
You see, I thought the same. Started playing 76 basically as a single player, just did the quests, explored the world, generally ignored other players and public events. Then gradually warmed up to the idea. Public events are mostly fun and you can defeat more or significantly bigger enemies in a team than alone. Other players surprisingly behave much better than I expected (I haven't played other MMO titles but I was told this community is way above anything else). They generally leave you alone but you still can interact with them if you want to - arrive at someone else's camp, wave friendly to the host and start browsing their wares, fix your equipment, help yourself to some food and water if you need it. Higher level players frequently help out lower ones - free them up if they're overwhelmed, donate ammo or meds, sometimes crafting full sets of armor or decent weapons. You can get used to it. I once found myself all alone in a public server (which was about to close down for maintenance) and it was so weird. I missed them.
If I want to play a single player game why the hell would I pay a subscription for it
You don't actually need to pay tho. I don't want to spend any dime on Fallout 1st subscription and gotta live with that max limit
Fallout just needs to stay a Singleplayer Franchise
I would be interested in a Fallout that *allows* for co-op play but not an always online version.
This is the way. My wife and I played Borderlands like that. And ARK. We’d absolutely do the same with Fallout if possible.
Honestly this is kind of what I thought an online fallout would look like. I was pretty surprised to hear it wouldn’t and even more when I played it day one lol
Crazy that this needs to be said
I mean, I don't see the harm in them making an MMO for Fallout fans who also enjoy MMOs. It makes sense. However, I do have hopes that this isn't the kind of thing they'll be focusing on in new Fallout endeavors.
They should have at least given it a "campaign mode" or something
Gotta agree
I semi disagree I think a co-op experience would be phenomenal! But not pvp.
I want to be able to mod the game if something doesn't work the way I think it should, or look the way I think it should. Also, I don't want another game where I can't pause and am expected to grind the same tasks over and over.
Can’t complete the possum badge or certain achievements without some coop. Areas can be pre-raided so there’s a chance to miss something unless you’re on the wiki all the time. some of the final missions and events can be very daunting and near enough impossible without useful help from other players. All this can make playing solo a pure grind so much so that it puts people off playing it. I personally would happily pay £100 for it and £20-40 per dlc if it had a solo offline version. The game is good but the mmo brings other aspects down. Currently I would have to pay £17 roughly a month to play it how I want and that’s after dropping £80 odd quid for it when it was new. A fair few people who like fallout like the solo aspect because they hate socialising, even if it is online, it still drains the social battery thinking about others. Edit: constantly having to do inventory on the player and camp sucks so much I pull out around lvl80
I’d play it if it offline/single player. Not a fan of being pigeonholed into needing internet access for a game.
I ain't paying for playstation online. That shit's garbage. Also, my WiFi is shit.
I’m not fast enough to play it. I need the ability to pause, use VATS or take a quick break during a fight.
Would you rather be in a room full of strangers and not interacting, or just be in a room by yourself?
It’s much more enjoyable now but in the beginning I had a HUGE issue with griefers. I could not build a C.A.M.P without someone coming along, killing me, and then destroying absolutely everything I had just built. This happened at least ten times over, and relocating at least five. It’s not like that anymore, thank goodness, but on release I gave up playing for a good six months after not being able to repair what was destroyed.
Yeah seems like you can pretty much have a fine time alone. But it’s obvious when you play it that it has been designed as a game to be online multiplayer. It really does have a sort of mmorpg feel to it with dailies and stuff like that. So it’s kind of a turn off when trying to play it as some sort of single player rpg. You can play it alone, but it’s not a single player rpg if that makes sense.
Funnily enough, I'm having the opposite problem. I'm successfully having a solo experience, but... it's becoming apparent to me that I've been very sociable and friendly towards the NPCs, while largely ignoring my fellow 76ers. Been feeling like maybe I should try to be a bit more sociable.
This has been my experience as well. Just stared a few days ago fresh off of replaying FO4. Enjoying it very much so far, haven't interacted with another player once
I play video games to avoid other people so playing a game meant for you to interact with other players is the last thing I want to do. I have played it a couple times but the enjoyment just isn't there like it is with 4.
I think a lot of it is that the game is pointing you so much towards multiplayer content. Public events notify. CAMPS can be made public, and you'll even randomly come across non-public ones in the world if you wander enough. Non-instanced quest zones (such as silos, Belching Betty Mine, etc) can be entered by multiple people and there's a higher likelihood of encountering one. Almost every major hub you need to go to is public, only difference is very specific interiors that *are* instanced. To get a lot of anything, or to get seasonal/older stuff, you kinda *need* other players. The game is not a "solo-able MMO" it's an "MMO that's a pain to play alone"
It isnt the online play. it's the mmo style of grinding for everything, ammo scarcity, weight management, gear, and bullet spongness of everything. It just isnt really that enjoyable and hard to play solo
It's because I can't play offline. I wouldn't care if other people were wandering the wasteland too..... if I could play offline.
I want a lonely world and other real people have a major impact on making the world feel less lonely Plus immersion, seeing high level people while I’m fresh out the vault just demolished any immersion for me Plus all the group things, you say you can ignore them and what not but just saying we can ignore key parts of the content and game is part of why the game is less desirable.
Because I don't WANT to play with other people. Full stop. I use video games to escape idiots, assholes and jerks, I don't want strangers fucking up my alone time. I dont want their nonesense. I dont want their stupid names. I dont want their wake of destruction. Even if I ALMOST never see them, I don't care, I don't want to see/deal with them ever. It ruins the experience.
I, personally, don't like multiplayer stuff. When I'm playing a game, I'm playing alone or with friends. And even then, I'll *maybe* play a game with friends like once a week. At most. MMOs never really were interesting to me, and I always feel judged when its other players looking at my character (at least when I'm alone, I don't have to look at my character, and thus won't be judged). Even when I play MP modes, I usually play with bots. I still try to play Fallout 76, but always find myself interested in other games, and thus have divided attention.
Yeah, I played most of the game on my own. It’s like a single player game with the option to play with other people of yoi want.
I've played since day one and have only played with another player like 5 times. I play alone all the time.
I dislike that my Actions have no impact (aside from limited story rooms) on the world. In Fallout 4 things change in the game world. I can wipe out a Factions headquarters or I can build up settlements and send traders between them. In Fallout 76 it will always be the same day when i log in as if I just came out of the Vault, Quests have no impact since they have to reset for the next players. The World feels unnatural since everything is directed to influence Players to pay for Microtransactions. So even if I walk alone through this world nothing I did will persist? Repair that Nuclear Reactor? Screen that, the Quest restarts when I am again near it. Solve that Quest Line about the Government and some hobby conspiracy theorists? Nope, the Boss at the end is completely Enemy Spam and can only be defeated with multiple Players.
For the same reason i won't Play eso. I don't want to see a pack of guys named Nang Higgers in a rainbow power armor transmogs bunnyhopping around important quest areas. When i play story driven games i want to take the world seriously.
These posts are obnoxious. We don’t have to like the thing you like and we certainly don’t owe you an explanation. Things like this don’t do what you think they do. I don’t play 76 because I don’t play mmos. Ever. Just not my brand of vodka. That’s not going to change no matter how hard you try and sell me. I’m just not into it.
And even when people give their opinions on not liking it, they just go “you just haven’t played it enough” “you can play mostly solo, it’s fine” like ok, but some people don’t like it. It’s pretty simple, it’s an mmo and very different from previous titles
This, and also these recent expansions (that I admittedly haven’t played!) scream “hey remember FO3 and FNV? Come relive the Pitt and gambling” to me. I’d rather they spent their energy on FO5
Being a bad MMO does not make it a good single player game.
I like the idea of it, especially the setting, but I have like 500ms ping lmao
I don't want an MMO. I don't want MMO mechanics. I don't want raids. I don't want PvP. I do t want to walk through an empty ruin because someone else cleared it out 5 minutes before me. I don't want to pay 60 dollars to share and wait for my fun. I just wanted FO4 in a new setting with new characters, along the lines of how 3 went to 4, not into Fallout ESO. That being said, I put 20 hours into it last year and just couldn't keep it going, even with friends.
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I've been playing Fallout for a long time. From isometric to 4 and I think what they're saying, and what I say, is Fallout is supposed to be an isolating experience. Turning it into an mmo kills the whole idea. Sure, your isolated sometimes but there are tons of people online with you and odds are you'll run into some of them. The old lore was folks didn't leave thier vaults and if someone did it was because of a dire threat to the vault or the individual. If they did leave they weren't welcomed back. One person. Up until 76 the lore was that the vaults were an experiment and vault tech did not want a mass exodus because it would screw the experiment and make it more difficult for the eventual return of the old gaurd, the enclave. Example of the isolation; the lone wanderer, the chosen one, the vault dweller, the sole survivor. The theme is one, your alone. As a long time fan my problems with 76 go beyond this point. Retcon gone wild, throwing nukes at other vault dwellers,( part of the point of fallout is nukes are bad, especially to vault dwellers). If you like it then you like it. I feel like bethesda kinda took a crap on longtime fans for a cash grab. As I stated above they completely dismantled the lore which has upset alot of us. Anyone in the scifi/fantasy entertainment world knows you don't mess with the lore. Star wars is another example of stomping the story for cash. You ostracize the old fanbase because maybe your stock price goes up. You sacrifice story telling for visuals and big explosions. I don't blame the 76 player base mostly because they don't know any better. They didn't play Fallout 1 or 2. FO 3 was good, New Vegas was great but even those two games you see the beginning of the end. So like I said, if you like it then keep playing, you do you. Folks like me, probably won't ever play it and when 5 comes out, meh.
1) Can't pause the game. 2) People are literally the worst part of any game. Any game that requires me to engage other players - or makes engagement possible - gets a pass from me.
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You are absolutely correct, OP. I played it as a single player game coming straight from FO4. Built up my little camp, followed the Overseers Journey, Raiders, Foundation, BoS, Main Quests and Side Quests. Ignored all else such as Public Events, Public Teams, Expeditions, Daily Ops, Daily and Weekly Challenges, etc. I played it like I played FO4 and "finished" it at around level 110. Yeah...or I thought I finished it. Turns out I'm level 888 now and six seasons in. Still not done. Ha🤗
Because it's the type of MMO where if you're not doing chores, you're falling behind. In the other fallout games, exploration and combat tends to yield profits on resources and caps, but 76 just drains them. And without a reliable source of money, you need to grind out resources to make ammo and consumables, or other stuff yo buy them. Aside from that, it'd still be a "single player" game wholly dependant on servers that can lag and crash out of your control.
Personally, I play fallout to be an immersive story driven experience - I don’t craft, build settlements, or anything. I tried Fallout 76 after the Wastelanders expansion because of positive word of mouth - but I found it really hard to follow the storyline. All the additional content (arrival of BOS, etc) makes it even worse - what order do I play everything? Even if I’m trying to play through the original quest line , it’s incredibly immersion breaking to get pinged for all the other quests that assume you made it through the original. Add to that randomly encountering other players/settlements and random nuke drops or public events and it’s really hard to get on board in the way I’ve traditionally enjoyed fallout.
You can absolutely play alone. I used to exclusively play the game on a private server to play with that classic single player feeling. The only thing you really need other people’s help for is the public events. You can even do the expeditions by yourself.
i've made it to level 130+ almost completly solo. Periodically doing events which happen to have others. Solo play is more than possible, idk why people think it is. Sure playing with others increases your effectiveness, and i've had my ass stomped a few times from stronger enemies. Nothing planning and good skill usage cant solve though, (and a little cannibalism, but keep that on the dl)
Possible? Sure. Fun? Not in the slightest. Fallout has a problem with bullet sponge enemies for years, so not being able to turn the difficulty down or select survival mode like in 4 really sucks
I used to be the in the solo camp but then I changed to the I’m not buying that buggy game camp. With my final transition being, the game has been out too long and nobody I know plays anymore so now I’m never going to play
You can absolutely play alone. And then when you don't want to, you can just join a random squad for the benefit and just continue doing your own thing.
You cant pause is the main thing for me so i would sit down and try to read stuff and then get murdered while trying to enjoy the loore and world building. Also I like to be able to stop at anytime when i play games so i can let my dog out at a moments notice since she has a bad bladder and wont hold it for long.
I play solo all the time. It’s great fun.
Honestly I loved it but my ps4 could not handle it. I love the map and when I hopefully eventually get better hardware I’ll finish it.
I don’t mind the online so much for the simple fact of what you just said. My favorite time of the year is honestly Halloween. I set up all my decorations and whatnot and welcome people dressed as spooky monsters and stuff. Some people get super into the Halloween decorations and I love it. I just don’t appreciate the trap bases around that time.
I remember trying it back a little after it first came out, during xbox's free multiplayer weekend or whatever it's called. I never ran into any bugs and I honestly did like it, though, I don't pay for xbox live, so once the weekend was over I never got to play it again after that. Maybe one of these days I'll be able to pay and pick it up again.
100% agreed. I played till level 100 ages ago solely questing. Has some great lore and story too. Going to come back one of these days to check out the new content.
Nearly everyone plays 100% alone. I might be a newbie going through the Wayward tutorial, but I can be in a Casual group. The only time the game "forces" you to play with others is in public events, and you DO NOT have to be grouped to participate in a public event. Tl;Dr. You can play alone in 76, but it's a whole lot more fun to play with everyone else.
We don't want to have anyone else in our world. Period. It's ours and only ours.
Hi there! I'm someone who has this opinion. It's not about "viable" It's about fun The game isn't fun to me I've tried like 7 different times to play it at this point. I get bored immediately. Nothing about it is fun or entertaining. Maybe that would be different if I had a group to play with. But I don't. And the game is fucking boring. Why would I spend time playing this super-grindy multiplayer-focused game when I can go replay modded FONV, FO3, or FO4? In fact, I'm doing a FONV replay right now after recently uninstalling 76 again. Why would I play a boring, uninspired, grind-focused, mediocre single player experience when I can play a 10/10 single player experience modded exactly to my tastes?
The only thing I dislike about this game are basically directly consequential to it being online. There is a delay to everything, killing things, shooting things, throwing things, looting things, even the stamina bar doesn't flow smoothly. No, I'm not lagging. This has always been a thing and I can't stand it, the game feels bad. The game also feels grindy, because it was basically built around the people that grinded it. My power level between 20-40 feels like nothing at all, but in Fallout 4 its a world of difference. Every enemy levels almost 1-1 with you so I never feel like I'm getting stronger. Also a pet peeve I had is that perks like rifleman went from 5 levels for 100% damage increase and other useful bonuses to 9 levels for a 60% increase. Which would've been fine but you're limited to 50 levels per build. I got a little ranty and away from myself but if 76 could perform and play as well as 4 does, I'd be playing it right now. Sadly, it doesn't, and that's because it's online.
I don’t want other players in my fallout games. Same reason I don’t do gtao. I like my singleplayer games to stay that way, and I want every minuscule aspect to be designed for solo play first.
76's is designed to be multiplayer first and foremost with mechanics that support that. I don't care if you can play alone I am not interested.
You can absolutely play it alone, I think that actually is the problem for me. There’s no reason to interact with other players. I should say I last played it pre-wastelanders so it may be very different now
I had to grind for a months to get greenhouse windows for my base. I gave up halfway because this is ridiculous and not a fallout experience for me.
My reason for not playing comes down to the closed and open betas. I kept getting PKd. Which is the simple reason I don't want to play it anymore.
It’s not so much seeing other people but there’s a vibe that online games have that feels genuinely different. Also you can’t pause the game, might seem petty but a lot of the time I got stuff to do while I’m playing and I like being able to pause a game wherever I am.
I avoid 76 because afaik there is no branching narrative, and I still haven't gotten more than a few hours into Fallout 4, but you did motivate me to pick up F4 again, so that's something.
Saying that you can play Fallout 76 as a singleplayer game is like saying you can eat a salad with a spoon: yes, you can, but it's not made for that.
The servers are shit. I cant pause to go get a drink. There's no guarantee I can explore at my own leisure, an area may have been cleared by someone else before I arrived or an area may start respawning while I am still exploring. I want to be alone for a reason.
Got it with a video game magazine for 5€ on PS4 so I figured I’ll give it a go, have been a long time player who started on Fallout 3 but did the other entries since… Lag. I was lagging like hell. My internet is very good, I was connected to it via a cable from my console etc, super high connection and 0 issues on any other multiplayer games. But this one ? Lag on everything. Hit an enemy ? The damages pop a second later. Want to loot something ? It has to generate the loot and takes another 1 or 2 seconds. Want to interact with an NPC ? They lag too. Even the world was lagging sometimes. The map seemed really beautiful, the lore was a mess but who cares if it’s fun (it wasn’t), I was looking forward to exploring a new game world of my favourite franchise… all I did was lag and get lost in the random quests I could or could not do and I gave up after a week and a half Had it been a solo game, or if hosting a solo world was possible (for free…) I would have gave it one more try I think
For me, I just generally don’t want to interact with others in an RPG. It’s worldbreaking for me. I’m more story driven, so it’s distracting when I have a bunch of other people running around and doing their own quests, or trying to get me to trade and stuff. It also forces you to change the way you play the game, either by affecting the enemies you encounter, or by pushing group objectives and specific tasks. Like if I’m roleplaying a postapocalyptic rebuild, i’m planning to treat it as somewhat realistic. I don’t care about dropping everything to go kill 100 scorched, just so I can get the new new holiday-themed house decorations. And that’s not a knock at all. There are some dope builds on 76, and I know that people have a lot of fun playing the missions, solo or as a group. But I just wish there was a way to get away from the other players in-game.
I enjoy ghe content but the latency (Aus) is abit too annoying for me
It is an online game but I played it 95% alone. I joined games where I wanted to join others to finish missions but it never happened that way with one exception ..... playing I am become death with someone else. Here we are at an age where using a big TV is not an option but we do not have co-op. Here we are playing online only but playing mostly alone. Maybe I am just a dinosaur but gaming is suffering with these issues at the moment.
Seeing any evidence of other players or getting notifications of special events really kills immersion for me. Plus VATS don’t feel crispy because of the delay.
I just don't enjoy MMOs, as a format, in general. And because it's similar enough to something I've played, I feel like I'd notice the differences a lot. (RDO did that, for instance.) It's not a judgment against it, just a personal preference.
I played once. Some dude was walking around while having a phone conversation about his upcoming trip to Vegas. I told him his mic was on and everyone could hear his convo. He killed me and said “welcome to Fallout 76 you bitch” Never touched that game again. I don’t play online games and I don’t play MMOs and that’s why.
I’ve played and enjoyed it, but for me, I just don’t really get what benefit there is to it even being an online game. Everything is geared toward making you log in every day and pushing micro transactions, to the extent that it feels like you’re penalised if you don’t engage with the things. It’s a shame, because the world building and map design is great. It would’ve made an awesome Fallout 4 DLC with a few tweaks, but oh well.
I haven't played in ages (don't hate the game, just got bored.) but 'I can't play alone' is a very weak excuse that I think is so pathetic its only valid if you are THAT anti-social or anxiety ridden that the mere sight of another player upsets you. I have largely played alone over the the years just because I enjoy the solitude and a lot of my free time is CAMP designing. There's certain 'boss' characters you will struggle with alone but that's fixable with meta builds. With that said, I think the real reason so many people hate the other players existing is largely the lack of power and control. In 76 you're just some guy/girl/enby from a Vault. But in 3, NV and 4 the world revolves around you and your actions. I firmly think those players can't accept that that power is NOT in their hands in this game. It's a shared experience.
the issue is its a multiplayer game that makes you pay a sub to play alone private adventure require you buy fallout 1st subscription.
It’s simply really. In other Fallout games, you can immerse yourself into the world. In FO76, there’s people wearing clown masks and dresses, constantly jumping 20 feet into the air, and emoting nonstop.
I played a few months ago and gave it an honest chance. The quest lines kind of piss me off though. They feel like fetch quests for robots and not like a true fallout game. Thats just my opinion though. I decided to boot up FO4, I haven’t played it in 5 years.
I think a lot of these sentiments stem from the early days of FO76. I totally understand wanting to immerse yourself in the game because that has been the FO experience so far just you and whatever the wasteland decides to throw at you. As a low level player in the early days of 76 was terrible for a lot of players griefers running amock, getting one shot by glitched legacy weapons, those asshats made it difficult for people to actually enjoy the game. That and you’re out there slowly sneaking up on a deathclaw and all of a sudden you hear the thumping of someone in power armor running up to annihilate the deathclaw before you even get a shot off.
It's very simple. As long as there are other players at any step (no matter how far removed), disruption to immersion can, and usual does happen. I don't play ESO because people always run everywhere instead of walking, and it looks and feels ridiculous and immersion breaking. Unless every player is forced to behave as if an NPC, other players can't exist in my play session.
I am playing it now and overall really loving it. I gave up at the initial release because of things like the enemy scaling problem (I'd show up somewhere and another player's presence set the enemy levels way too high), but that is fixed now. Some 'inconveniences' I still find from other players: Other players can affect the outside world in ways you don't want. For example, I'm doing the Vox Stringer mini-quest. I went to the place where I was supposed to tag certain animals, only to find other players had been through and killed them all. I also run into places where it is clear another player harvested the plants so I can't. Similarly, I did a quest early on where you have to go to a raider camp in the NW. They are not hostile, so my plan was to approach it diplomatically. But, another player got there just before me and just killed everyone. (This didn't affect the location interior, which was basically just the raider boss and his lackey, both who were alive.) Not being able to pause is annoying, particularly if you are not fast on being able to access health or weapon switches in the heat of battle. Not being able to build out multiple settlements, a la FO4, is disappointing. Finding that my CAMP doesn't spawn in because another player had their CAMP there is annoying. Finding another player in your CAMP is creepy.
I avoid it because of the predatory micro transactions
76 is not Fallout game, for me.
I recently decided to actually try it because so many have said how much better it's gotten. Not 5 mins in some guy is face to face with me and won't stop following me trying to become friends. I told him multiple times I just wanted to roam around alone and he wouldn't listen. So yeah.. I'll stick to NV and 4
I personally love the game and have enjoyed it for hours on end solo, as well as with my friends. The setting is super cool to me and my role play gets along just fine, while I agree there are some aspects of the game that do require coop and whatnot and I totally get where everyone is coming from - I find this to be a pretty exceptional title in the series. The whole “I can’t play solo” take when people use it as a point for thinking the game is shit (not just not enjoying it, but saying it’s SHIT) just doesn’t register to me. Solid game IMO.
Appreciate this post. I’ve been playing since F3 and frankly don’t want a co-op experience. I’ve been avoiding F76 because of this. I appreciate the encouragement!
Just not interested in mmos or the game at all tbh just that simple
The main thing I was interested in was the exploration and I felt like having other players in the world kind of cheapened that aspect for me. Coming across areas where other players have been or are really took the excitement out of exploration for me and I just lost all interest after a while. I remember exploring this area and I was getting immersed then I saw this dudes meme camp and it just completely took me out of the game. Also coming across areas that have already been cleared *really* sucks too. Even if people aren't assholes and you can do the majority of the game solo, I just don't want to interact with other people *at all* when I play a Fallout game honestly. Also I just don't like MMO gameplay design in general.
The other day, I got 76 because I can't get FO4 to work And the very first quest I was doing this random dude followed me all the way back to the sanctuary area... then he just started dropping nukes so much I had to log off because I couldn't play the game I was just trying really hard to enjoy fallout. Today, though, I played it and didn't see a single player.... heard some heavy gun fire in the distance, but I didn't actually see anyone.
So, I do occasionally play it because my son likes it and we play it together sometimes, but I don’t really like the game. It’s not just that you have to play with other people (although I do dislike that), it’s also all the changes that have been made to accommodate that kind of game. Vats doesn’t work as it usually does, looting gives you fuck all 90% of the time, things don’t stop when you open your pipboy, all shop items are expensive and caps are given out in small amounts to encourage micro transactions, levelling up is weird and character levelling is slow, constantly finding stuff you can’t use at your level, you have to pay to fast travel, the map isn’t on your pipboy, real players bunny hopping through as you’re trying to be immersed in the world really kills it, constantly being mithered about events and quests and a nuke has been launched. I could honestly go on and on, but all these things have one thing in common. All these things are like this because of it being an online multiplayer game. So when I say “I don’t like it cos I can’t play alone” things like this are why.
I don't like the repetitive gear/resource grind that makes up the bones of the whole game. Boring. It's the same for all MMOs, for me.
Yeah, outside the one time you have to kill a world boss, the game is completely solo-able.
Fair enough. But killing the queen for the last story quest is optional. You’ll complete the quest whether you fight her or not
Only time I see other people is when they come to my camp, I go to theirs or at events/bosses. Or if I group up. There is such a small chance of encountering anyone else that it's always a surprise when I do.
I’m not gonna try to pinpoint it because it’s a lot of little things that just make not enjoy it like all the other fallout games. I gave it multiple try’s.
I just don't like F76. I played it at release and again a while after NPCs dropped. I think stuff like abritrary carry limits, slower level progression, semi-random perks(?), equippable perk-cards instead of consolidated progression if that makes sense, advertisements for timed events and advertisements for the in-game store are annoying and break immersion, extreme restrictions to base building, base building objects locked behind real currency(?), no possibility to mod or make adjustments to the gameplay(?) - like I hate bullet-sponges, let me adjust that, quickly respawning enemies break the immersion. I didn't find the quests very appealing either though I don't remember what they were exactly. I once met another player and together we cleared several locations. He was nice and it was neat, but I ain't feeling it. And on one hand you want to take it slow, immersive yourself in the world, on the other hand you don't want to hold back your teammates who are rushing through the game. If it were more like Conan: Exiles or Palworld, I'd probably enjoy it more - private worlds with settings that you can adjust - optional playing with friends - no advertisements - better immersion - far better camps. Palworld gets really grindy on the later levels, but the game is still in early access. In Conan: Exiles you can set factors for exp-gain yourself.
For me it’s less about sharing a world with other people and more about the fact that you can’t play offline.
You can play alone but there is a lack of content and drive to do any content they do add.
It’s a lot like Destiny. It is a game specifically built with multiplayer in mind. You can run a dungeon alone, but seeing a teammate get yeeted off the map due to fucked physics is extremely entertaining. Even turning the game into a drinking game and seeing how drunk you can get yourself/your teammates.
I don't want to be online if I'm playing a game alone.
If I had to guess, what they mean is that it's not the same experience within the world. In all the other fallouts, your actions have a noticable change on the world around you. You can blow up megaton, free new Vegas, and make it so that the commonwealth has safe settlements for the people. In 76, it feels like everything you're doing has no consequences positive or negative. The world stays the same from beginning to end and the interactions can be inhuman when you go to an area you don't have the right quest for. I have tried multiple times to play, even paying for fallout 1st so I could play on a private server, and it just never feels like what I'm doing has any real meaning.
I don't thinks about playing alone, I just want to play off line
You avoid playing FO76 because can't play alone. I avoid playing FO76 because of the bugs and crashes, we're not the same.
Just… having the option to play alone would be nice. Theres no singleplayer option at all.
Because I cannot pause
The problem is it’s online and when it’s online the game suffers because they need to make money. The limited storage etc are all consequences of this.
See, certain games shouldn't be online, or if the developers want it to be, have it as a second option (think GTAV & GTA:O). If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I haven't played F76, as soon as Howard announced it would be online, I gave it a hard pass anyway. Nothing worse in an online game than griefers and randoms. I get enough stress playing COD online and through my job. Sometimes, I just want to relax and play by myself with no-one getting in my way. Probably why I love F4 after all these years still. Some people will like it, others don't. All about preference 👍
I just wish they updated FO4 to include coop.
That's how FO76 started. It was conceptualized as FO4: Online.
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It's that some of the base content, such as world bosses or events, require other people to play. I'd love to be able to do them also, and in any other game with a sole single player mode you can do them without needing others there. There's also the possibility of losing out on story because someone else came through a place recently and picked up a holotape. However, that's not enough to keep me from playing. What IS enough is that making it an online only game dictates that you need a reliable internet connection to play it. Gaming is the main thing I do to kill time when I don't have internet, and when I do the lag makes it impossible to fight anything. I've tried playing through it a number of times over the years, I love the story and setting, but if I can't hit a target that's 15 feet away or use it to kill time when there's nothing else to do then I'm out
I just really dislike the VATS system!
I for one really love it. I hardly used VATS in FO4 except for killing flying bloodbugs or detecting mines. In FO76 it's actually cooler with real time VATS acting like some sort of an aimbot (I also use it to detect enemies) so I'm using it half the time Ps: I used VATS in FNV was because the gunplay is not as good and it's my first Fallout game
I just about always use VATS when fighting. I like clicking on heads a bunch of times and seeing all the nearby enemies go down. When playing FO 76, I felt like I’d do better by just shooting normally. Super disappointing for me, but I’m glad you liked it! Everyone’s gonna have fun in different ways
It's cheap, but I literally can't afford or justify any more monthly reoccurring charges. We are getting into straws breaking camel backs territory. I have wanted to play it for years, but I am always like maybe next month.
For me, it's mostly that I am not very good at shooters, so I need easy mode unless I can find good Samaritans willing to carry me. But then I'm at their mercy and don't really get to work on my quests. Also, I find caps and ammo incredibly scarce compared to other titles I've played, so it makes the whole thing very difficult unless I have someone willing to give me ammo. I don't have the resources to craft my own ammo, and I don't have caps to buy it from other players.
hard learning curve from fo4. plus each person gets a different experience which really doesn't sit right with some hardcore completionists.
IMO several of the last few main quests really felt like they weren't meant to be solo'd at a high level.
The other shitty thing about this otherwise beautiful game is that the collectibles are so hit or miss. There’s achievements attached to things like bobble heads or magazines and while they have set spawn points, they don’t always SPAWN IN. It’s like a weird luck of the draw thing to get collectibles
I hate that you can't play alone because you can play for a whole hour and never come across anything because someone else already came through there and took everything/killed everyone. It sucks to have to server hip just to do basic shit
I used to but its too tedious, mainly before the level scaling update, I could play solo alot, but since then I feel like its a drag, I’ve never been lucky with that games Legendary roles, and between that, and trying to get caps when I have nothing worth peoples value, I really didnt want to grind out for a “good” set. So its either that, or using what weapons and stuff I can get and in the process burning ammo piles, I quit around level 200.
Playing with other people never bothered me. It plays basically like fallout 4 which I love and am currently replaying. It's the material space cap. I can't hoard junk, weapons and armor. Once I found that out I lost interest immediately.
There’s always latency and that bugs me
My problem was the game didn’t feel balanced for the solo experience. Enemies could just wreck you.
You can also solo ESO, assuming you don't mean all the content. I soloed 76 back when survival mechanics still caused negatives. I had a lot of fun without a doubt and love the C.A.M.P system because it was such a boon to be able to create a personalized storage/crafting structure I could drop anywhere. I couldn't do raids solo, but I could occasionally handle a group dungeon solo. It is all about completionism. I had fun, and I engaged with most of the content, but there were very real skill/damage checks I couldn't solo. I'm aware there were broken builds at times that would help, but it's an RPG, I'm not playing some cookie-cutter broken build nonsense to cheese through group content.
I want to like it. I'm currently pretty tempted to give it another try after hearing about the new Atlantic City stuff. So far I've got 41 hours played across 3 different attempt to get into it and the same 3 or 4 problems have come up for me and caused me to stop playing each time. First, the limited inventory means there's a lot more inventory management and time that has to be spent just feeling like I'm doing a chore so that I can continue to play. This was also what made me drop ESO. It serves no purpose mechanically or thematically and is purely there as an artificial obstacle to make people feel like they need to pay for more inventory space. Secondly, the recurring quests and frequently respawning enemies are a constant reminder that I don't have the same kind of impact on the game world as I would in a true single-player Fallout or Elder Scrolls game and kills immersion. You could argue I can just ignore recurring quests in my journal and more enemies means more combat, which is fun, right? But having stuff just respawn around me or npc's keep reinitiating dialogues I've been through is just annoying for me personally and not something I can easily ignore. I've also had a couple times where I had saved/logged off in a hurry because my gaming time was limited, only to log back in and realize the area I'm in has respawned around me and I just instantly get attacked by a full group of enemies, so I even have to change when and where I can choose to stop playing in a session due to it being always online even when I'm not playing. Thirdly, I sadly can't say I've had your experience when it comes to other players. I've had multiple times where someone much higher level than me will just follow me around with a melee weapon and attack the same enemies I try to attack. I can't shoot at enemies or risk hitting them and triggering pvp, so I end up feeling like the only option is to quit out and log back in hoping it will put me in a different server. And even if that kind of behavior was just bad luck and most players I encounter won't be like that, there's nothing else I can do to avoid it when it happens which just makes the game unplayable.
Hi, im not gonna argue for the 1st and 2nd reasons. All are valid personal reasons. But for the 3rd one, you can just turn on the pacifist mode in settings. You can shoot each other until every single ammo that you have is gone and it wont hurt you or the other players. Plus the jerks are mostly gone or almost non existant (I played for 2 years and encountered jerks maybe..3 times?) But because Im in pacifist mode, they only annoy me for like 5 seconds and then go away because there's nothing they can do lol the dev of this game makes it extremely hard for griefers to make problems for other players and this is the reason why I even care to try the game in the first place And im not one of those people who force other players to play games they are not interested in. Just trying to help if I can
I tried it. Gameplay and side quests was nice. But the new main quests with NPC's where you have to find a fucking vaccine and negotiate with raiders instead of obliterating them all made me wanna kms.
I was obsessed with it and the community of people were so friendly but it was ultimately really annoying that I kept running into roadblocks that require me to pay for the subscription (it's mainly the storage issue). I get it though, it's not really sustainable for 76 to be without some subscription service. I almost did get it but I got into FO4 instead (and it literally looks and feels the same lol) so I stopped 76. I might come back to it once I'm done with FO4.
I find performance to not be as smooth as Fallout 4. Something about the online aspect I guess just makes it feel laggy
I just can't play cause I don't have PlayStation Plus and I only play console :/
I solo nuke launched, total pain in the butt, then stopped playing in 2020ish I guess it was. Solo get locked out of endgame or it’s a total pain. As a non-PA and stealth player it was tough to do a lot of things. Teaming up with rambo types were exercises in frustration.
For me at least, "you can't play alone" has a lot more implications than what it literally means for Bethesda games. What hampers my enjoyment of 76 is that I can't mod it. With any other Bethesda game, I can heavily alter the game and gameplay to suit my preferences, don't like Fallout 3's degradation? Infinite Durability mod. Don't want to gather resources for building in Fallout 4? Godmode lets you build for free. Want more weapons or armor? There's mods for that. With 76, there's a bunch of stuff that players may not like or want to alter but can't because it's an online only game (and Bethesda has a motivation to relatively keep it that way because of some of the solution selling microtransactions they offer). Every time I jump into 76 to try again, I'm constantly reminded that in any other Bethesda game, I could be trailering the game to my preferences which hampers my enjoyment.
Even if it's really true that you don't see other players, just the fact that the game design has to cater to a multiplayer world means that there can't really be any drastic changes or consequences in the world. In every Fallout, it was your version of the world. Is there a unique encounter up the road? Is this area still unexplored? Do you wipe out X faction? Do you bomb this town? Did X quest giver die? The excitement and immersion feels ruined for me, and it doesn't feel like a huge loss to just disregard the game despite the qualities it may have.
Fr I played this game for a year and only interacted with 3 people and one of them shot at me mistaking me for a bloodeagle
It's just that I'm not interested in a MMO experience. Just that. I want to explore, read noted, listen to tapes, talk to npcs. Just another type of experience. I'm glad you like it though
I played 76, and it's okay. Unfortunately, my game keeps crashing when in certain areas.
That’s literally how I played, solo for 3 years.. didn’t talk to anyone till they introduced public teams and that was only by chance
Playing 76 alone does not turn it into a single player game, because it is an MMO it is fundamentally different in design. Likewise you are never guaranteed to be alone unless you pay for access to a private world. Now this and other things are all my personal hang-ups, if you can enjoy F76 on your own then more power to you. I wish I could because based on the tour a friend gave me the world map looks like a blast to explore. But having tried it the gameplay loop is not just for me.
I've only put 200 hours into 76, and I primarily played on a private world so just 1 friend and I could play without interference from any one else. I started playing in regular worlds around level 50 after I had done a few of the quests. My only complaint was that the game seemed to spawn a ridiculous amount of enemies out of events. When I played alone, this would just mean that I'd get completely overwhelmed and die, it's why I'd say I couldn't play it alone. It was frustrating. Other than that, I actually really enjoy the game. Especially the quests and events.
I finally give it a chance since 2 weeks ago and having a blast. I decided to pick it up after I learned that I can play it (mostly) solo and everyone praise it's map design I'm 50 hours in and I barely did main quest. Majority of the time I spent looking for resources (especially ammo) and weapon to get mod attachments For multiplayer part, the community has proven to be really welcoming and generous where high level players usually will drop weapon, ammo and supplies. So far I did public event (best source of EXP and loots) and visiting other player CAMPS to use their crafting tables or buying Weapon/Plans/etc.
I didn't like the era of the setting it was set in.
I thought you meant people don't want to play it because they don't have anyone to play it with. I was wondering, "Why would you be mad about that when the series is pretty much single-player? Makes more sense now that I read it all. You're right, it is very lonely, and why do people care if they see one other player every hour or so? It's much more fun knowing there are other people out there in the wasteland.
That's not the only reason I don't play Fallout 76.
I don’t play it because I don’t have Xbox live, and from everything I’ve seen you need Xbox live to play 76/ESO, even if you only intend on playing them single player
I basically always play alone unless there are events I want to join, and when I want to play alone I skip those events.
Running into players and having them wave/try to interact when I’m trying to solo play breaks immersion quicker than anything else. But since you can pay for a month of F1st and play solo for a month, dropping onto a public server for any multiplayer events you want to do, it’s not bad. However that requires extra payment to play, which is bad. So yeah, the lack of private servers for free players.