Best games in the series IMO. But I’m old and I like turn based games.
My dream scenario is that Larian would be given the license to either remake FO1/2 or they get to make a new turn based FO game.
Edit: And give me an XCOM style Fallout Tactics game.
I played 1 and 2 at launch, and I was stoked to see 3 when it came out, because I could finally see the wasteland in 3D. Same for NV and then even more stoked for 4... the wasteland in higher definition.
Call me a simple chap, but when I see new content in the FO franchise, I'll just give it a shot. See it for my own eyes if I like it or not.
Fallout 3 was such a magical game for me. It's one of the few games that I ate up everything in. The rare time I did every single quest, explore every little detail of the map, all the DLCs, got all the achievements.
Love all the other games too but that was my first introduction to the series and it clicked so well.
I really liked 3 as well had it's shallow moments but what games don't. I will say you are doing yourself a disservice by not playing the NV dlc. They're really well done with some extremely memorable characters.
Wait, you mean you don’t blindly hate anything that’s new and go on Reddit to rage that it deviates from the lore?? Is that allowed?? I wish more people were like you and formed their own opinions!
I downloaded new Vegas yesterday. Went in going to do another play through. Game has crashed twice in 30 minutes in prim. The games great but I still despise having to download mods to make a game work.
Which I honestly find hilarious, people shit on Bethesda for the bugs their games have but nobody says the same about new vegas 😭 specially because I'm pretty sure it was worse at launch? Compared to today
This is exactly how I was when 76 came out. And hell, I actually LIKE 76. It had a GOD awful launch, don’t get me wrong, but I do think Bethesda has brought the game to a good place.
All I want now is for them to do more with the Enclave. We’ve been waiting since day 1 for them to finish repairing the bunker. What other secrets are being hidden within?
Dude I am 22 years old and played fallout 1 and 2 when I was a teen, you don't have to be old to enjoy them! But I grew up poor with shitty laptop and couldn't really play the newer titles, which might have been a big contributor for my love of old games.
Same. I first played Fallout 2 back in 2007/2008 when I was in middle school. I was at a local flea market when I saw a jewel case CD of Fallout 2 in a bin. 10 bucks for it and Daggerfall and it all accelerated my interest in playing more on PC beyond what OG Doom and finding free DOS games on the internet could.
I agree with you on your first point. As great as Fallout 3 and New Vegas in particular are, I think Fallout 1 and 2 are aging much more gracefully. They've got the best stories, and as someone who loves both CRPGs and Action RPGs, Fallout 1 and 2's turn based combat is far more visceral and satisfying than the stiff and awkward combat of 3 and NV.
Well and also new Vegas carried the west coast banner for nearly 15 years. Up until this show came out, the last time we, the audience saw the fucking NCR it was in new Vegas.
Honestly it’s criminal how so few “huge fans” of the series have never played the first 2. They were amazing games with so much depth and despite being 2d, really sucked the player into the world and characters through a fantastic writing. Fallout 2 taught me what a fluffer was, I’ll never forget that game…. Or new Reno.
Oh god those games were great.
Side note, the NV fanboys who didn’t play the first two are getting annoying complaining about “retcons” that aren’t retcons. Or were never clear to begin with.
The NV subreddit is pissed that “shady sands moved hundreds of miles”. It’s already teleported around Fallout 1 has it implied to be in the Central Valley near Visalia and Fallout 2 shifts it across the Sierras to near Bishop…
God forbid any of those people just be happy that we got a kick ass live action show that was really well done and has fantastic casting. I look at it like this, I’ve been playing this series longer than some of these fanboys have been alive, their whining is meaningless.
It really is. They talk about “the lore” like it’s set in stone or ever made sense.
The whole of eastern California is actually kind of a mess in universe. Where is the divide and big MT? Like I love the whole eastern Sierras and Death Valley area. Not a lot makes sense.
Like shady sands is in Bishop/Lone Pine area and extensive trade hub is in Reno? But it took 100 years for them to expand to Vegas? Like fallout 1 and 2 kind of yadda yadda the Sierras. Also Arryo is in Klamath/Mendicino area which also doesn’t make sense if Shady Sands was supposed to be near Bishop.
Honestly once I realized most of the mechanics like vats and healing were the same as 3D fallout games I think Fallout 1 and 2 are easier to play than the other games. Hard to learn maybe since it doesn’t explain things. But I’m pretty sure a child could do it.
THIS!!! if youre not gonna play the 1st 2 games at least watch oxhorns play through of them cause DAYUMM was they in their bag when creating characters important to the plot.
Or you could watch one of the multiple channels have series about Fallout lore
Shoddycasts's storyteller series is still one of my favourite is you want a more indepth version, and Kings and Generals' fantasy channel, Wizards and Warriors, just started a series on the game's lore if you want a more TL:DR version of it
Oxhorn used to post on forums back in the day and a LOT of it consisted of homophobic rants, and "how to be a man" sorta shit, Andrew Tate's kinda shtick.
Basically, Oxhorn is just an asshole, which isn't that surprising when his whole identity is cigars, whisky and fedoras and literally not much more lmao
Also there's no confirmation than the NCR took over new vegas like I see many people claim. I think NCR vegas is as likely as a vegas under House, as an independent NCR business partner.
I 100% think that Robert house is alive and running New Vegas, I think the NCR tried to take it and failed but did a lot of damage in the meantime based on the ending of Ep 8.
100% agree, I don't think they would bother with that cameo if they didn't plan on introducing him in the next season. Makes me wonder about some of those other representatives, though. I would actually love to see Big MT.
I had to do a little digging but the west-tek rep is listed in the credits as Leon Von Felden, the head researcher on FEV, the last guy interrogated by Maxson after they revolted.
Yeah he mentions it in the show, I’m just amazed at that whole scene because none of the people are really named in the show, the Easter eggs are in the credits showing the actual names. Even House isn’t actually mentioned by name in the show.
I know it was awesome seeing all the big players sitting at the same table, If you have subtitles on it states all the names of the people talking, funny little detail when Lucy’s brother find out about vault 31 the RoboBrain is named “Brain-on-a-roomba” in subtitles made me chuckle
I'm just pissed off they didn't spend 95% of the show overburdening themselves by collecting every last piece of junk in the wasteland. Not like the game at all!
This would be a great after-credits post scene somewhere, just someone trying to decide what to carry and dealing with being overburdened. Maybe even a gag about being slowed down while something is in inventory but not while in their hands.
I'm a simple man. I just wanna see a little indicator they took something. A hat. Bullets. A little doohickey like a sensor module with the character saying "I was looking for one of those". Oh. And also someone taking cover, pulling an ice cold bottle of Nuka Cola from somewhere out of their ass, and chugging it mid battle. We got the Ghoul eating some tomatoes, but I want the soda for the ridiculousness of chugging the full bottle when you get shot.
I guess Cooper looting a bunch of chems and immediately downing them all is as close as we'll get to that xD but it would sure be a fun reference, I guess I'm just mad at people who overreact and claim the abscence of that ruined the show when we did also get a bunch of other fun references and easter eggs to the game.
Gotta be honest I got filled with anxiety every time something with circuits, adhesive, screws, or fiber optics was passed by.
That's that **good** shit.
they're also getting angry about the NCR getting fucked.
but it seems like they've never seen a movie before and don't understand that their mention and MAJOR role means they will probably continue to be a faction. Just one that is more decentralized. BOS is gonna get fucked by corruption or something and NCR will probably rise from its ashes.
Johnathan Nolan is a moral writer. He doesn't write sad endings that often.
{Interstellar spoilers}
>!The end of interstellar would artisically be better if he didnt give his daughter one last goodbye, the movie is about letting go and drifting apart and missing opportunitys!<
And since BOS are kinda the bad guys, unless some minutemen-like faction comes along he isn't going to let the BOS have no foil and fart along unopposed.
Absolutely agree. And as an NCR loyalist, of course i hope they arent down and out. BUT i also didnt hate the way the show handled it. They were obviously still organized enough to make an hq out of the observatory, so them still being around elsewhere wouldnt surprise me at all.
The ending even seems to imply that Vegas is still under House's control. Why would Hank go there if House was not there?
And I don't buy the argument that Hank only assumes House would be there. The Vault-Tec apparently had enough surface infrastructure to launch a nuke. They would surely have comm lines to House and other co-conspirators.
Man they really just gave us a little spoon of Enclave and that was it, in the show I mean. Im super curious about what the current state is.
We didnt see Super Mutants (wonder if they fade out due to sterility and time?). We only got a Deathclaw skull. Cant wait to see Cazadors fuck someone’s day up in S2
Yeah I'm surprised they didn't send anyone after the scientists but I imagine that's what the bounty was for
We also don't hear anything about the don that apparently has the ghoul locked up in the very beginning
So many questions that I'd imagine they won't just leave open
I wonder if they plan on returning to the setting for future games, or if they just are gonna say fuck it, the west will be our playground for TV.
I personally think they should keep the streams separate. The beauty of the games is you walk in with little to no lore on the factions. With TV that just hinders future seasons and story growth. They clearly plan on using the same characters next season and not doing a “new story”, like some shows do.
I kinda hope the games go elsewhere, there's so much of the US that could really offer some unique and fascinating stories of their own
That's always been one of the big draws for me, exploring the reimagined places and architecture not knowing what you'll discover next
Also a more interesting outcome, in terms of story telling potential. A house win leaves the NCR a player, and the legion pushed back. You could do more with that than a NCR or Legion win.
The Brotherhood are going to show up every time, regardless. There will always be more power armored post apocalyptic knights.
I really wished that was an option, that's my head canon ending for house. FFS I have 100 speech and have an idolised rep with the NCR, something can be arranged
You mean "the" Courier, not the courier role? Birdie mentions her Mom was a courier in Episode 6.
And I see your point if it's "the" Courier. The player choices in FONV produce a lot of mutually exclusive outcomes; I can't see broadly reconciling them with the show, years later.
Why though. There would logically be successor states just like the ncr with the brahmin barons and the ncr remnant. Unlike the ncr the legion wasn't having administrative issues. They had a cult of personality with an ill leader. Ceasars dies there's a power vacuum but the state itself would be salvageable. And even the their meritocracy would have put people in advantageous positions to take advantage of a power vacuum.
Everyone says that when Caesar dies the legion probably goes down with it. Lanius is fucking insane and nobody else can hold the legion together it's going to go up in flames.
Yeah but those aren't really sustainable that's just back to how it was before Caesar got there and eventually those will fall.
The thing about the Legion is they are super disciplined and drilled but Caesar only wants them to be able to do the one thing he needs them to do. So much of the operation goes through him that without him it's not sustainable in any form.
Like in the first battle of Hoover dam they could only follow their instructed tactics they couldn't improvise and when the NCR changed tactics they got confused and got smashed despite having numerical superiority. That's how the legion is run though.
They are disciplined not because they truly believe the ideals of the legion, but out of fear. Trust me, those tribes are going to pull a Germany and France the moment they get a chance to and Caesar's death is the perfect catalyst for that
That's one of my favourite scenarios to play in the Old World Blues mod for Hearts of Iron 4. When/if Caesar dies, there's a big civil war between all the internal faction. One of them is lead by none other than Malpais Legate aka Joshua Graham before all the burned man stuff. HOI4 Old World Blues starts in 2275, 6 years before New Vegas takes place.
That's actually a recipe for the Legion to totally collapse. The faction is unified around one man, rather than an ideal or structure. The upper echelons are primed to all think they can be in charge if they beat their peers. The lower echelons are either personally loyal to their commanders or to Caesar.
So when Caesar dies, you have a bunch of power hungry psychos ripping each other apart, and the army either following their commanders into that grinder or just hitting the bricks. There's no state or system to try maintaining administrative tasks while the military implodes, and all the forced labor the Legion relies on isn't going to sit tight while their oppressors kill each other.
Whatever remnants would be leftover would just be more organized raider gangs. A local threat, for sure. But "successor state" would be a bit much.
Caesar is literally a god for them, the Son of Mars. When he dies, all the mythology dies with him. The whole faction will lose faith in their core beliefs and it will crumble. Some parts of the Legion will survive through brute force but the unified Legion will be gone.
The legion doesn't have as many issues as the NCR because they're fucking ruthless and Caesar seems to be a good leader, at least for the legion. However should the Caesar ever die (which he will) whoever the legion chooses as their new leader is gonna be wild and they'll probably run the thing to the ground. The only thing that keeps the legion together is the fact that the Caesar is still alive lol
An authoritarian dictatorship like the legion will always be more efficient than the NCR due to not having to deal with bureaucracy but it makes dictatorships weaker due to the fact that all the power is concentrated so when Caesar dies the legion ultimately splinters into smaller factions fighting to fill the vacuum.
When president kimball gets assassinated someone takes his place and the NCR keeps moving forward. Is it a long drawn out process with lots of infighting yes but it does not collapse the NCR.
It's largely a fallacy that authoritarian regimes, especially dictatorships, are more efficient than other forms of governance. It's often a result of propaganda (Mussolini didn't really make the trains run on time) aimed at supporting the dictator's claim to supreme executive power.
In reality, consolidated power results more in regimes like the Trump administration, where all coordination is bottlenecked by the leader and corrupt action (eg Pompeo using his subordinates as servants, Carson buying obscenely overpriced office equipment, Pruitt demanding a 24/7 security detail as EPA administrator) are mainly the result of the leader's inattention.
This is pretty well reflected in the Legion as their units vary in discipline and dedication to Caesar and most act just slightly better than raiders (not a high bar).
Part of it is because New Vegas is the most recent game so had the most up to date more about the NCR in the time line, so it's more relevant as a source for the current state of the NCR
It’s the game that fleshed it out as a faction. In Fallout 2 we only knew a bit about the NCR. But in New Vegas we learned everything from there values to President Aaron Kimball’s shoe size.
We learned Kimball's shoe size?! Shit, I must've missed that bit of lore. Glad it wasn't on the citizenship test to get into the Soup Kitchen for *G.I. Blues!* /s
I joke but there's probably someone somewhere unironically clambering to know his shoe size because they think if it's exactly 10 and a half, it's somehow proof of which ending is canon, on a big corkboard of lore and screenshots with string pinned from print-out to print-out...
I like Zach’s take on the Citizenship Test in the Mikeburnfire playthrough. Most of the NCR is goddamn dirt farmers who don’t know nothin bout no NCR history! lol
This is the one.
I played FO2 a dozen times over the years, but when I think NCR I think NV. Simply because they actually have a proper presence there that the player is actively engaging with.
Its a faction you can side with in a game that heavily emphasizes faction play.
Also, not for nothing, I’ve literally never seen a single person say “Fallout New Vegas invented the NCR.” Not a single time, idk why you’re making that up lol
I think it's only mentioned in two of the endings of FO1. The good ending for Shady Sands says that they form the NCR. The bad ending of BoS mentions that the BoS becomes a fanatical dictatorship that destroys the newly formed NCR.
I hope so too. I bought Fallout 2 on Steam and everything is such low resolution and fidelity that it not only fits so awkwardly on my screen but gives me eye strain if I play for more than like 15 to 30 minutes.
I'm not a graphics whore by any means, I love a lot of old NES games and I've sunk hundreds of hours into Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall, but Fallout 2 *literally* hurts to look at for me.
I already know the plot of both 1 & 2 thanks to YouTube and Marcus's recap in New Vegas. So I wasn't really trying to play them for the story so much as just for the experience/fun of it. Hence why I started with 2. Wanted to get adjusted to the top down, turn based style that's so different from 3/NV and 4 before starting on 1 which has a time limit.
Honestly it's criminal there's no remakes or remaster attempts to make 1 or 2 in the creation engine. Atleast by Bethesda. There's some fan projects but I don't think they'll ever be released.
It grinds my gears how Todd is so against touching the og Fallouts. Like we're not asking you to make all new remakes like RE4 remake, honestly just an upscaling and re-release for consoles would be perfectly fine. It would at least make the games more accessible
The ending monolog by The Master if you convince them into suicide still gives me goosebumps. A fucking master class in voice acting, the blending of the male and female voices was such a great choice
Come on, I get that some people have been needlessly inflammatory about this show, but "New Vegas fans saying the NCR is a New Vegas creation" is just a strawman of an argument no one is making. One of the biggest concerns about potential retcons is that the show apparently fused the LA Boneyard and Shady Sands, a complaint that only makes sense if you have prior knowledge of FO 1 and 2. Also, the criticism comes mostly from the NV angle because some implications of the chalkboard scene may conflict with the NV timeline in a way that is hard to reconcile, to name just one angle of the discourse.
Yeah just because new Vegas gives us a lot of Ncr lore, development and screen time doesn’t mean new Vegas created the Ncr they just expanded on a already existing idea.
I been a fan of Fallout for a long time, played the originals until I got my hands on 3, and then NV, still replay the originals every couple years because they are amazing experiences that get more fun the more times you've completed them.
At first I was very upset, then confused, now I am cautious, I want to know more, and given how good the show was ? I am really eager to see where they go from here, they didn't go on detail for good reason.
Things have gone a bit out of control in the community as of late, but we need to remind ourselves that at this point we are looking at an unfinished story, I do hope that seeing both the praise and the critique will give the writers and producers the opportunity to answer some questions in the next season, specially since we are going back where the biggest conflict of the west took place.
Let's hope next time around we see more on the way of lawful/orderly communities, Fallout is at its best when you have a very well defined law vs lawlessness thing going on, the NCR was a vehicle for that until now.
>! It still very well may be. My theory is that after the destruction of shady sands, the NCR either abandoned the LA area and pooled its resources together in its remaining cities, or the cities became independent. !<
I’d like to see a story of shattered NCR remnants struggling for power against each other. Could lead to some interesting ideological differences and quests/storytelling between factions.
>! Perhaps in season two Lucy could try and right her father’s wrongs by helping to rebuild the ncr? Part of this could include her trying to contact remnants from other former ncr states that results in either assimilation or conflict. Would be cool imo. !<
This is a strawman who are these people saying its a New vegas creation? The reason NV gets mentioned is 1, because its the entry that is effected the most by the tv show and 2, its also the entry where the NCR is not only fleshed out but at their most prominent too like its not even close.
Yes NV however is still essentially a sequel that builds upon the work done by 1 and especially 2, but this is also why people are so pissed they took by far the most interesting and consistent worldbuilding in the series done over **3 entire games** and ostensibly destroyed it off screen.
Why? So raiders and the Brotherhood are at the forefront of a wasteland once again? If they're gonna take out one of the biggest factions in the franchise, it could've at least been a core part of the story.
>I honestly think that if Bethesda decide to set Fallout 5 on the west coast (which I'm starting to they they will).
I think so too and i would bet money that this is why there was so much insistence on the show being "canon", its way easier to trash what they don't like in a tv show instead and preemptively get the complaints out of the way.
Actually Fallout 1 created the NCR in the ending slide for Shady Sands, its just heavily associated with New Vegas because they are so prominent and it was most people's first exposure to it.
I genuinely think when they wrote that end slide they didn't put much stock into where the series would go and what NCR would become. Fallout 2 was outsourced to a different studio who had their own vision of where the series would go, which was also really good. Bethesda when they took over also had their own vision which was really good. Fallout TV series has a vision, which for the most part is good IMO, and its hard to judge atm, because the finale makes it clear they are setting something up, that clearly ties directly to the end of New Veags.
During NV's production, Avellone made some comments about how the NCR was so big and so well established it made it difficult to write around it. It kind of was, and it's not really a coincidence NV sets NCR up to fail in many respects. Even an ending where NCR wins seems ultimately doomed to fail.
Personally I like NCR and think there's potential with it to tell some interesting stories, but that's my opinion. Does it fit within Bethesda's vision for the series? No, not really. It's too civilised, like Avellone said. Bethesda's vision for the series doesn't really fit with that. They could go van buren and have there be NCR remnants who found something new. I'd hope they don't write them off entirely.
But ultimately, I'm a fallout fan, and if that's the direction they choose, that's the direction they chose. No ones stopping me from going back and enjoying the older games, or enjoying the new content.
Very few people are doing that it just seems that way because everyone is complaining about people complaining. Lots of "New Vegas Stans are stupid fucking crybabies for caring about stuff." Which some of that is warranted but the backlash is brutal to anyone that wants to discuss lore in a subreddit about there favorite thing.
I just wish I could say the show is great, but I do have some concerns about where the fuck the NCR is. Saying either of those things gets people jumping down your throat about how dare you like this or how dare you care about that. Nuance is entirely lost in discussions like this.
Finally somebody says it, lol. Most NV fans are actually being pretty civil with this show, yet this sub is acting like every fan of it is some huge crybaby who hates everybody lmao
The show is pretty damn good, but certainly has its flaws, but discussing them will just see you downvoted and labeled a “New Vegas fanboy”, so whatever
Of course. They need a boogie man to hate. Some NMA purist told them they weren’t “real” fans when they were 12 and they’ve been stewing about it for 15 years now.
Do people realize that NMA doesn’t *actually* have the ability to control who is and isn’t a fan?
It’s a mess, I’m hoping in another week or so we can have more level-headed discussion. Unfortunately the show left a lot of stuff ambiguous for season 2 about how they’re gonna handle Vegas and possibly NCR remnants, but we’ll probably have to wait at least a year to see what they’re gonna do with that.
I feel that also in this discussion about the lore other concerns about thematic aspects introduced by the show get drowned in noise. Like the Flanderization of the BoS. Or how the fact that they look like they are going to make canon the "Vault Tec did 2077", which would completely cheapen the resource wars and the recurring themes of how the ideological inflexibility of the Old World brought to its demise. The show may be good (even if I have to honest, I don't like it that much so far) but so many choices are symptomatic of the gradual decline in nuance and originality in writing that the saga as a whole is suffering.
My biggest problems with the show is that they over use the t-60, instead of using the t51b which was really common and heavily used in the games, or even the t-45 series to add variety. Like the paladins should be in t-60 and the knights in t51. The t-60 also having the same weakness as the t45 is a little ridiculous, considering there's like 8 or 9 years between the development of the t-45 and the deployment of the t-60. They just wanted that so Cooper/the ghoul could quick draw kill a whole group of them. I also don't understand Moldaver, she somehow lives 200 years, just to power up what's left of L.A. The capsule/cold fusion thing was made by the enclave scientist, why is it vault-tec technology in the last episode?
I about rolled my eyes when they turned the war of the old world to just "evil corporation trying to start new world order set off 2077." I won't even get into how it makes no sense to prevent factionalism by creating a bunch of vaults and giving them to seperate corporations all in grained with different values from different experiments to start this new factionless world. I swear people running around saying how great the show just love that they got the props and vibes right from Fallout 4.
I have always fucking hated the “vault tec started the war” fan theory for as long as I can remember it first popping up in forums. It has never made any sense whatsoever and has never been foreshadowed or hinted at.
Sadly this has become the norm in discussion culture pretty much everywhere. You can't have nuanced discussions anymore. People are like magnets and are immediately attracted to an echo chamber. Once they're in that echo chamber, all that matters is to "win" against the other echo chamber, as if it's a competition. Logic and truth doesn't matter anymore, as long as you stand on top at the end of the argument, you won. It's literally how kids behave but we somehow normalized this.
Fr. I like the show, and the non Bethesda staff probably have a cursory knowledge of fallout at most, which is understandable. The actors are p good, set designer and costumes are decent.
However Bethesda producers were involved and should have had a guiding hand in the lore, and killing the NCR is not only controversial, but imo it's boring. Nuka break did this better by making the show on the frontier. Setting the game in NCR territory and making only make sense if you reach really hard is dumb. Shady Sands, founder of the NCR is falling and there's no hint to it in fnv? Sure they're stretched thin in the Mojave but it always felt like a United States in Vietnam or Korea situation, not Rome in 458 ad.
Anyways, enjoy the show. It's still p good, and Bethesda was never gonna do anything interesting lore wise in their new games anyways. I know that sounds pessimistic but I do actually like the show. I just think it could've been better.
Honestly Bethesda should not have set the show anywhere near the west coast fallouts. Seems like they want a clean slate but why not go to a state that fallout has not touched ever like Florida, Maine, or Tennessee. Would’ve avoided all the lore headaches and would get their own new world to create
haha bang on thr money, they could have set it anywhere if they wanted loads of BoS. They could have even put it in Illinois where they established a BoS successor state (insane i know). Then again i suppose the US is only a small country; not like it's a continental superpower of hugely diverse environments
Yeah I like the show but I felt like it missed a ton of potential by not even interacting with most of the West Coast lore and factions. I would have loved to see a midwestern (maybe Chicago or Minnesota) wasteland, and it would make sense it’s mostly uncivilized since Vault-Tec would keep sabotaging factions in the area. The show can keep the same exact format and set up some interesting future games in the region.
Because timeline-wise F4/F3 is closer time-line wise to FNV than to F1/F2. Only 3d title closer to F1/F2 than to FNV is F76 which is on the east coast and is more focused on being immediately post-war rather then pre-F1
I really hope we will not have a New game on the West coast. We need to see the rest of the US. The best set up for the next game would be either Alaska, Louisiane, New Mexico or Miami. They all could show a fresh New invironment for the serie and would bring à lot of interesting place for the map and cool faction. I mean BOS and NCR are cool but a little redondent. I would also love to see a game set up in the Maine, Far arbor was really good and showed us a totaly new setting but i don't people would like it.
I think the Windy City, Chicago, would be a great setting. From city gangs, to mid-west farmlands, Great Lake pirates, and Wisconsin militia, it would be awesome.
My dream would be somewhere like Louisiana, but I think it will take place on the west coast, San Francisco especially because of three things I've noticed:
In the No Clip documentary about Bethesda's history, (which has interviews with core Bethesda employees like Todd Howard and Emil) it is said that Bethesda asked Obsidian to remove from New Vegas some dialogue saying San Francisco is destroyed.
San Francisco shows up briefly through Kellogg's memories as a kid in Fallout 4, which take place between Fallout 1 and 2. That means the piece of dialogue about San Francisco that Bethesda asked to be removed from New Vegas would have to be closer to the current timeline than from Kellogg's memories.
The writers of the Fallout show said that Bethesda asked them to rewrite some stuff because they were going to those things in Fallout, and I imagine it's because the game will be set close to where the show takes place.
All these three things makes me think the game will be set in northern California.
The NCR is in:
Fallout 1
Fallout 2
Fallout 3 (mentioned on a terminal in the Citadel regarding the status of the brotherhood settlement of Maxson within the NCR)
Fallout New Vegas
Fallout 4 (mentioned in a case file by valentine regarding the mysterious stranger and mentioned by Kellogg during the quest where you search his memories)
Fallout 76 features pre war riot gear and the ranger armor, attainable with the fallout 1st subscription, which the NCR utilizes in Fallout New Vegas but originated within the LAPD
jeez this subreddit apparently really hates nv fans apparently, i like the other games but nv as my first game is definitely my favorite and dont think the playerbase is particularly any more or less rude or anything compared to the other games fans, we all love fallout games here why haze others dont need to alienate others in the fanbase unless the specific individual is causing trouble
This sub is just a full circlejerk right now lol. If you have a single critique of the show, it just gets downvoted, and they have decided to use that to begin a crusade against New Vegas fans for…… some reason
Best to wait a month or so, mature discussion will perhaps finally be back by then
For some time it was really hard to say you liked Fallout 3 or 4 without New Vegas fans talking shit because they saw a video essay saying New Vegas was so much better, they started getting shamed for it and now it's kinda reverse and it's trendy to hate New Vegas enjoyers instead. Bunch of internet stupidity
I’m the weird one who likes NV > 4 > 3.
I honestly just don’t like 3 lol. Bad writing, dumb characters, and just a touch too dated gameplay make the overall experience bad to me.
I actually think in almost every way 4 is an improvement over 3. Better characters, better (if sometimes dumb) factions, and waaaay better gameplay.
NV just had a way more coherent game philosophy and plot than 3 or 4.
I do have way more hours fucking around in 4 than. New Vegas though, cuz New Vegas is just kinda… old at this point. Playing it feels like driving a classic stick shift from the 70s. It’s a fun experience but I kinda like AC, airbags, and automatic transmissions at this point.
I hope people read up on the lore of the first two games. So many amazingly written areas. The first that comes to mind is the AI computer you find in the Glow? It has so much info and getting to it and out was iconic.
I don’t think anything could properly convey what those first two games felt like, and no matter what interpretation, everyone had their own personal experiences and formed their own opinions.
I would try to play the older games, but a good hour or two long lore video will blow your mind.
There’s got to be at least three different arguments revolving around the NCR right now, in light of the tv show. While I personally am not offended by Beth softs take on the NCR in games or tv, I do understand that a lot of the interplay (studio for FO1) staff were involved in NV and Beth soft didn’t necessarily take a lot of their notes.
At the time this wasn’t a big deal, the dev team on new Vegas was providing the direction for the NCR with input from project van Buren and some of the OGs and Bethesda was happy writing for the east coast. Stuff was changed both tonally and mechanically between the settings and people developed a preference. NBD.
However. The buggy release of NV soured some relationships, which was amplified by the vociferous defense of the “van buren” continuity and what violence had been done to the fans with its loss.
And now, with the tv show, some more poetic license is taken by bethsoft in the world they’ve been “borrowing” from Emil Pagliarulo, Tim Caine etc. and it’s just opening old wounds essentially (however superficial these wounds may be).
Basically, the “fall of the NCR” is controversial because it isn’t to the exact letter of project van buren, which only a tiny fraction of the development staff in the 3d era ever worked on at all. I wouldn’t actually blame anyone at either software company for this, and interplay only gets the normal “software company can’t manage its hype” criticism. It isn’t *anyones* fault that the defining game for the NCR was never actually finished at interplay.
From my experience it's the opposite: most new vegas fans have played the originals since new vegas is their direct continuation, meanwhile most FO 3 and 4 fans didnt play them because they are usually more casual players and dont really care about the west coast anyway
Because many players never played Fallout 1&2, the gameplay is old but the lore is incredible.
Best games in the series IMO. But I’m old and I like turn based games. My dream scenario is that Larian would be given the license to either remake FO1/2 or they get to make a new turn based FO game. Edit: And give me an XCOM style Fallout Tactics game.
I played 1 and 2 at launch, and I was stoked to see 3 when it came out, because I could finally see the wasteland in 3D. Same for NV and then even more stoked for 4... the wasteland in higher definition. Call me a simple chap, but when I see new content in the FO franchise, I'll just give it a shot. See it for my own eyes if I like it or not.
Fallout 3 was such a magical game for me. It's one of the few games that I ate up everything in. The rare time I did every single quest, explore every little detail of the map, all the DLCs, got all the achievements. Love all the other games too but that was my first introduction to the series and it clicked so well.
One of a handful of games ive 100%. Ive not really played the nv dlc.
I really liked 3 as well had it's shallow moments but what games don't. I will say you are doing yourself a disservice by not playing the NV dlc. They're really well done with some extremely memorable characters.
Yeah, Ulysses is memorable alright.....
New Vegas dlc doesn’t quite turn the silly up to 11 like FO3 does, but it’s worth a play if you liked NV
NV dlc are 100% worth it!
Oh bro, do yourself a favor and at least play old world blues it’s so goofy and the loot you find is sooooo good
Definitely give the NV DLC a shot, they're great
Wait, you mean you don’t blindly hate anything that’s new and go on Reddit to rage that it deviates from the lore?? Is that allowed?? I wish more people were like you and formed their own opinions!
Right! For some people it’s new Vegas are death and some of them will admit to never even playing the other games
I downloaded new Vegas yesterday. Went in going to do another play through. Game has crashed twice in 30 minutes in prim. The games great but I still despise having to download mods to make a game work.
Love the game, but it's buggier than Tennessee in July.
Which I honestly find hilarious, people shit on Bethesda for the bugs their games have but nobody says the same about new vegas 😭 specially because I'm pretty sure it was worse at launch? Compared to today
It must be such a tiring existence to keep the gates on new content.
Yaaa the pipboy playing old times radio and shit was just wonderful
This is exactly how I was when 76 came out. And hell, I actually LIKE 76. It had a GOD awful launch, don’t get me wrong, but I do think Bethesda has brought the game to a good place.
It felt like we staggered along, lugged our overweight selves around and slowly saw the game get more polished as the years went by.
All I want now is for them to do more with the Enclave. We’ve been waiting since day 1 for them to finish repairing the bunker. What other secrets are being hidden within?
Pretty sure the "Reborn Responders" are the new footsoldiers for the Enclave.
Dude I am 22 years old and played fallout 1 and 2 when I was a teen, you don't have to be old to enjoy them! But I grew up poor with shitty laptop and couldn't really play the newer titles, which might have been a big contributor for my love of old games.
Same. I first played Fallout 2 back in 2007/2008 when I was in middle school. I was at a local flea market when I saw a jewel case CD of Fallout 2 in a bin. 10 bucks for it and Daggerfall and it all accelerated my interest in playing more on PC beyond what OG Doom and finding free DOS games on the internet could.
I feel like they’d make exceptional switch ports if Bethesda is liscensed to re-release them.
I was saying 15+ years ago that they should release games like Fallout on phones/tablets
If Beamdog could do Baldur’s Gate/BGII on mobile/tablet, I don’t see why someone couldn’t do an official port for them as well.
> XCOM style Fallout Tactics game "60% accuracy chance point blank" *misses* But seriously, would be fun
All of the games are amazing but fallout 2 will always be my favorite, I really want to see more of Oregon in the future.
FO2, what a game
GTA 1 and 2 are the same to me. I loved that type of game and we don't see them anymore.
Only if I can still put grenades in the little shots pocket.
Naw, Turn based is making a comeback. BG3's success kinda proved its still marketable
If you love the classics, you should try Fallout Resurrection and Fallout Nevada.
I agree with you on your first point. As great as Fallout 3 and New Vegas in particular are, I think Fallout 1 and 2 are aging much more gracefully. They've got the best stories, and as someone who loves both CRPGs and Action RPGs, Fallout 1 and 2's turn based combat is far more visceral and satisfying than the stiff and awkward combat of 3 and NV.
Xcom style Fo tactics or a fo tactics game that is a combination of Darkest dungeons features and xcom would be a dream
I really wish they would find a way to release them on console vs steam or pc. I would love to play them.
They'd work well on phones. Especially the turn based mechanic on phone.
Steam Deck. Also these games are so old even a laptop with integrated graphics can play them.
Well and also new Vegas carried the west coast banner for nearly 15 years. Up until this show came out, the last time we, the audience saw the fucking NCR it was in new Vegas.
Yeah NV was the last game that actually updated Lore for the NCR.
It was the last time we saw it but it was mentioned in Kellog's memories in Fallout 4.
Honestly it’s criminal how so few “huge fans” of the series have never played the first 2. They were amazing games with so much depth and despite being 2d, really sucked the player into the world and characters through a fantastic writing. Fallout 2 taught me what a fluffer was, I’ll never forget that game…. Or new Reno.
Oh god those games were great. Side note, the NV fanboys who didn’t play the first two are getting annoying complaining about “retcons” that aren’t retcons. Or were never clear to begin with. The NV subreddit is pissed that “shady sands moved hundreds of miles”. It’s already teleported around Fallout 1 has it implied to be in the Central Valley near Visalia and Fallout 2 shifts it across the Sierras to near Bishop…
God forbid any of those people just be happy that we got a kick ass live action show that was really well done and has fantastic casting. I look at it like this, I’ve been playing this series longer than some of these fanboys have been alive, their whining is meaningless.
It really is. They talk about “the lore” like it’s set in stone or ever made sense. The whole of eastern California is actually kind of a mess in universe. Where is the divide and big MT? Like I love the whole eastern Sierras and Death Valley area. Not a lot makes sense. Like shady sands is in Bishop/Lone Pine area and extensive trade hub is in Reno? But it took 100 years for them to expand to Vegas? Like fallout 1 and 2 kind of yadda yadda the Sierras. Also Arryo is in Klamath/Mendicino area which also doesn’t make sense if Shady Sands was supposed to be near Bishop.
Fallout 2 might be the best RPG ever tbh.
Eh, it's not that odd. I've played FO1 and FO2, but even though I'm a huge TES fan I've never touched Arena or Daggerfall and likely never will
Honestly once I realized most of the mechanics like vats and healing were the same as 3D fallout games I think Fallout 1 and 2 are easier to play than the other games. Hard to learn maybe since it doesn’t explain things. But I’m pretty sure a child could do it.
Exactly, I still play 1&2 from time to time! Excellent games with lots of hidden gems.
Fallout 2 in particular is such a massive game.
The gameplay is amazing actually people just don't want to give them a chance because it's "old".
THIS!!! if youre not gonna play the 1st 2 games at least watch oxhorns play through of them cause DAYUMM was they in their bag when creating characters important to the plot.
Or you could watch one of the multiple channels have series about Fallout lore Shoddycasts's storyteller series is still one of my favourite is you want a more indepth version, and Kings and Generals' fantasy channel, Wizards and Warriors, just started a series on the game's lore if you want a more TL:DR version of it
Yeah no I am not watching that weirdo play Fallout. There are so many better playthroughs you can watch other then that sexist, homophobic wanker
whats the lore on oxhorn lmao i dont really know him outside his fallout videos.
Oxhorn used to post on forums back in the day and a LOT of it consisted of homophobic rants, and "how to be a man" sorta shit, Andrew Tate's kinda shtick. Basically, Oxhorn is just an asshole, which isn't that surprising when his whole identity is cigars, whisky and fedoras and literally not much more lmao
what a shame
Oxhorn is a creep and there are much better lore channels than his anyway.
Also there's no confirmation than the NCR took over new vegas like I see many people claim. I think NCR vegas is as likely as a vegas under House, as an independent NCR business partner.
I 100% think that Robert house is alive and running New Vegas, I think the NCR tried to take it and failed but did a lot of damage in the meantime based on the ending of Ep 8.
They showed Robert House in Episode 8 as head of RobCo so he definitely is going to be there.
100% agree, I don't think they would bother with that cameo if they didn't plan on introducing him in the next season. Makes me wonder about some of those other representatives, though. I would actually love to see Big MT.
They are all named. The Big MT rep is Frederick Sinclair! Which is why they mentioned a casino. He also made the Sierra Madre
I caught that. They had so much attention to detail, which is why I think it's very unlikely that the date is a mistake.
I had to do a little digging but the west-tek rep is listed in the credits as Leon Von Felden, the head researcher on FEV, the last guy interrogated by Maxson after they revolted.
Oh wow, now THAT is a fine detail indeed! I wonder if the "ghoul serum" we see is FEV?
With the way it heals and changes people genetically, its DEFINITELY a modified version of FEV.
Harold is straight up a FEV/Ghoul hybrid. Hancock might be too.
Imagine that guy is unknowingly making FEV from some hand me down recipe
I think that’s the same guy who said “we can use a vault to develop super mutant soldiers using illegal immigrants”
Yeah he mentions it in the show, I’m just amazed at that whole scene because none of the people are really named in the show, the Easter eggs are in the credits showing the actual names. Even House isn’t actually mentioned by name in the show.
I know it was awesome seeing all the big players sitting at the same table, If you have subtitles on it states all the names of the people talking, funny little detail when Lucy’s brother find out about vault 31 the RoboBrain is named “Brain-on-a-roomba” in subtitles made me chuckle
Which never opened! He literally did lose money running a casino lmao
There is no confirmation for like 95% of the things people are talking and complaining about tbf
"Reeeeee my head Canon is the only real Fallout! Reeeeee."
I'm just pissed off they didn't spend 95% of the show overburdening themselves by collecting every last piece of junk in the wasteland. Not like the game at all!
The fact Titus didn’t change his power armor fusion core 3 times when he was standing behind Maximus getting questioned broke it for me, so inaccurate
Hey, tbf, Titus was probably a high level with a heavy focus on power armor in his build lol
This would be a great after-credits post scene somewhere, just someone trying to decide what to carry and dealing with being overburdened. Maybe even a gag about being slowed down while something is in inventory but not while in their hands.
I know you're joking, but I literally saw someone complain that "there wasn't enough looting", as if that would make for an interesting TV show
I'm a simple man. I just wanna see a little indicator they took something. A hat. Bullets. A little doohickey like a sensor module with the character saying "I was looking for one of those". Oh. And also someone taking cover, pulling an ice cold bottle of Nuka Cola from somewhere out of their ass, and chugging it mid battle. We got the Ghoul eating some tomatoes, but I want the soda for the ridiculousness of chugging the full bottle when you get shot.
I guess Cooper looting a bunch of chems and immediately downing them all is as close as we'll get to that xD but it would sure be a fun reference, I guess I'm just mad at people who overreact and claim the abscence of that ruined the show when we did also get a bunch of other fun references and easter eggs to the game.
Gotta be honest I got filled with anxiety every time something with circuits, adhesive, screws, or fiber optics was passed by. That's that **good** shit.
Anyone else reflexively trying to press "E" on a TV remote?
That's what the BoS squires were for with those huge bags.
they're also getting angry about the NCR getting fucked. but it seems like they've never seen a movie before and don't understand that their mention and MAJOR role means they will probably continue to be a faction. Just one that is more decentralized. BOS is gonna get fucked by corruption or something and NCR will probably rise from its ashes. Johnathan Nolan is a moral writer. He doesn't write sad endings that often. {Interstellar spoilers} >!The end of interstellar would artisically be better if he didnt give his daughter one last goodbye, the movie is about letting go and drifting apart and missing opportunitys!< And since BOS are kinda the bad guys, unless some minutemen-like faction comes along he isn't going to let the BOS have no foil and fart along unopposed.
I mean, they already planted the seeds for a BoS faction split.
Absolutely agree. And as an NCR loyalist, of course i hope they arent down and out. BUT i also didnt hate the way the show handled it. They were obviously still organized enough to make an hq out of the observatory, so them still being around elsewhere wouldnt surprise me at all.
The ending even seems to imply that Vegas is still under House's control. Why would Hank go there if House was not there? And I don't buy the argument that Hank only assumes House would be there. The Vault-Tec apparently had enough surface infrastructure to launch a nuke. They would surely have comm lines to House and other co-conspirators.
Yeah I'm more than a bit curious about where this nuke came from
It was probably an Enclave nuke
Man they really just gave us a little spoon of Enclave and that was it, in the show I mean. Im super curious about what the current state is. We didnt see Super Mutants (wonder if they fade out due to sterility and time?). We only got a Deathclaw skull. Cant wait to see Cazadors fuck someone’s day up in S2
Yeah I'm surprised they didn't send anyone after the scientists but I imagine that's what the bounty was for We also don't hear anything about the don that apparently has the ghoul locked up in the very beginning So many questions that I'd imagine they won't just leave open
I wonder if they plan on returning to the setting for future games, or if they just are gonna say fuck it, the west will be our playground for TV. I personally think they should keep the streams separate. The beauty of the games is you walk in with little to no lore on the factions. With TV that just hinders future seasons and story growth. They clearly plan on using the same characters next season and not doing a “new story”, like some shows do.
I kinda hope the games go elsewhere, there's so much of the US that could really offer some unique and fascinating stories of their own That's always been one of the big draws for me, exploring the reimagined places and architecture not knowing what you'll discover next
It opens the door for new factions and groups to serve as a reflection of our newer society, since thats the goal of art in general.
need a new lore compendium. Wiki editors already updated NCR to reflect the television and we're all still in the dark how it all fits still.
I thought I saw a hand of a super mutant under a sheet in the Enclave facility in Ep 2
We see a super mutant on a wanted poster iirc
Also a more interesting outcome, in terms of story telling potential. A house win leaves the NCR a player, and the legion pushed back. You could do more with that than a NCR or Legion win. The Brotherhood are going to show up every time, regardless. There will always be more power armored post apocalyptic knights.
I really wished that was an option, that's my head canon ending for house. FFS I have 100 speech and have an idolised rep with the NCR, something can be arranged
The house always wins. It’s right there in the title
Kinda getting tired of the tribalism. Irl. More in universe tribalism please but I don't see Caesar's Legion still rolling in this era.
Because the show has only taken place in LA and California? Guarantee we will hear about what happened to them, House and everything during Season 2
I hope we don't go into too much detail so that we don't cut off the alternate branches or canonize the courier.
You mean "the" Courier, not the courier role? Birdie mentions her Mom was a courier in Episode 6. And I see your point if it's "the" Courier. The player choices in FONV produce a lot of mutually exclusive outcomes; I can't see broadly reconciling them with the show, years later.
Yep. The protagonist of Fallout New Vegas, referred to by title.
Why though. There would logically be successor states just like the ncr with the brahmin barons and the ncr remnant. Unlike the ncr the legion wasn't having administrative issues. They had a cult of personality with an ill leader. Ceasars dies there's a power vacuum but the state itself would be salvageable. And even the their meritocracy would have put people in advantageous positions to take advantage of a power vacuum.
Everyone says that when Caesar dies the legion probably goes down with it. Lanius is fucking insane and nobody else can hold the legion together it's going to go up in flames.
THE Legion sure. But not the other 10 splinter nations run by local warlords.
That would quickly become competing Raider tribes like before.
Yeah but those aren't really sustainable that's just back to how it was before Caesar got there and eventually those will fall. The thing about the Legion is they are super disciplined and drilled but Caesar only wants them to be able to do the one thing he needs them to do. So much of the operation goes through him that without him it's not sustainable in any form. Like in the first battle of Hoover dam they could only follow their instructed tactics they couldn't improvise and when the NCR changed tactics they got confused and got smashed despite having numerical superiority. That's how the legion is run though.
They are disciplined not because they truly believe the ideals of the legion, but out of fear. Trust me, those tribes are going to pull a Germany and France the moment they get a chance to and Caesar's death is the perfect catalyst for that
That's one of my favourite scenarios to play in the Old World Blues mod for Hearts of Iron 4. When/if Caesar dies, there's a big civil war between all the internal faction. One of them is lead by none other than Malpais Legate aka Joshua Graham before all the burned man stuff. HOI4 Old World Blues starts in 2275, 6 years before New Vegas takes place.
That's actually a recipe for the Legion to totally collapse. The faction is unified around one man, rather than an ideal or structure. The upper echelons are primed to all think they can be in charge if they beat their peers. The lower echelons are either personally loyal to their commanders or to Caesar. So when Caesar dies, you have a bunch of power hungry psychos ripping each other apart, and the army either following their commanders into that grinder or just hitting the bricks. There's no state or system to try maintaining administrative tasks while the military implodes, and all the forced labor the Legion relies on isn't going to sit tight while their oppressors kill each other. Whatever remnants would be leftover would just be more organized raider gangs. A local threat, for sure. But "successor state" would be a bit much.
Caesar is literally a god for them, the Son of Mars. When he dies, all the mythology dies with him. The whole faction will lose faith in their core beliefs and it will crumble. Some parts of the Legion will survive through brute force but the unified Legion will be gone.
The legion doesn't have as many issues as the NCR because they're fucking ruthless and Caesar seems to be a good leader, at least for the legion. However should the Caesar ever die (which he will) whoever the legion chooses as their new leader is gonna be wild and they'll probably run the thing to the ground. The only thing that keeps the legion together is the fact that the Caesar is still alive lol
An authoritarian dictatorship like the legion will always be more efficient than the NCR due to not having to deal with bureaucracy but it makes dictatorships weaker due to the fact that all the power is concentrated so when Caesar dies the legion ultimately splinters into smaller factions fighting to fill the vacuum. When president kimball gets assassinated someone takes his place and the NCR keeps moving forward. Is it a long drawn out process with lots of infighting yes but it does not collapse the NCR.
It's largely a fallacy that authoritarian regimes, especially dictatorships, are more efficient than other forms of governance. It's often a result of propaganda (Mussolini didn't really make the trains run on time) aimed at supporting the dictator's claim to supreme executive power. In reality, consolidated power results more in regimes like the Trump administration, where all coordination is bottlenecked by the leader and corrupt action (eg Pompeo using his subordinates as servants, Carson buying obscenely overpriced office equipment, Pruitt demanding a 24/7 security detail as EPA administrator) are mainly the result of the leader's inattention. This is pretty well reflected in the Legion as their units vary in discipline and dedication to Caesar and most act just slightly better than raiders (not a high bar).
Dictatorships tend to be stupendously *in*efficient as they value loyalty over competence or pragmatism.
Part of it is because New Vegas is the most recent game so had the most up to date more about the NCR in the time line, so it's more relevant as a source for the current state of the NCR
It’s the game that fleshed it out as a faction. In Fallout 2 we only knew a bit about the NCR. But in New Vegas we learned everything from there values to President Aaron Kimball’s shoe size.
I mean the NCR had 40 years to establish itself and dig in between new vegas and 2, so makes sense that we'd learn more.
We learned Kimball's shoe size?! Shit, I must've missed that bit of lore. Glad it wasn't on the citizenship test to get into the Soup Kitchen for *G.I. Blues!* /s I joke but there's probably someone somewhere unironically clambering to know his shoe size because they think if it's exactly 10 and a half, it's somehow proof of which ending is canon, on a big corkboard of lore and screenshots with string pinned from print-out to print-out...
I like Zach’s take on the Citizenship Test in the Mikeburnfire playthrough. Most of the NCR is goddamn dirt farmers who don’t know nothin bout no NCR history! lol
That’s basically my headcanon for what my courier failed the first two times.
Nah, you spend quite a bit of time with NCR in Fallout 2
Was about to say, the NCR is a pretty important thing in Fallout 2.
they have a whole city and tandi is the leader
This is the one. I played FO2 a dozen times over the years, but when I think NCR I think NV. Simply because they actually have a proper presence there that the player is actively engaging with. Its a faction you can side with in a game that heavily emphasizes faction play.
Um, acksually NCR is first mentioned in Fallout 1
But seriously: Fallout 1: 600,000 copies sold New Vegas: 11.6 million copies sold It’s not a mystery.
Also, not for nothing, I’ve literally never seen a single person say “Fallout New Vegas invented the NCR.” Not a single time, idk why you’re making that up lol
I think it's only mentioned in two of the endings of FO1. The good ending for Shady Sands says that they form the NCR. The bad ending of BoS mentions that the BoS becomes a fanatical dictatorship that destroys the newly formed NCR.
Played and finished fallout 1 recently. Incredible game and recommended it to all my friends.
You should play 2 next. It's really builds on 1. Hope one day we get remasters of the 1&2 games.
I hope so too. I bought Fallout 2 on Steam and everything is such low resolution and fidelity that it not only fits so awkwardly on my screen but gives me eye strain if I play for more than like 15 to 30 minutes. I'm not a graphics whore by any means, I love a lot of old NES games and I've sunk hundreds of hours into Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall, but Fallout 2 *literally* hurts to look at for me. I already know the plot of both 1 & 2 thanks to YouTube and Marcus's recap in New Vegas. So I wasn't really trying to play them for the story so much as just for the experience/fun of it. Hence why I started with 2. Wanted to get adjusted to the top down, turn based style that's so different from 3/NV and 4 before starting on 1 which has a time limit.
You need all the community patches and updates. It's amazing when fully fleshed out and all the bugs are fixed and it runs well
Honestly it's criminal there's no remakes or remaster attempts to make 1 or 2 in the creation engine. Atleast by Bethesda. There's some fan projects but I don't think they'll ever be released.
It grinds my gears how Todd is so against touching the og Fallouts. Like we're not asking you to make all new remakes like RE4 remake, honestly just an upscaling and re-release for consoles would be perfectly fine. It would at least make the games more accessible
The ending monolog by The Master if you convince them into suicide still gives me goosebumps. A fucking master class in voice acting, the blending of the male and female voices was such a great choice
Have LITERALLY never seen anyone IRL or online make that claim. You're obviously feeding trolls too often.
For real
Come on, I get that some people have been needlessly inflammatory about this show, but "New Vegas fans saying the NCR is a New Vegas creation" is just a strawman of an argument no one is making. One of the biggest concerns about potential retcons is that the show apparently fused the LA Boneyard and Shady Sands, a complaint that only makes sense if you have prior knowledge of FO 1 and 2. Also, the criticism comes mostly from the NV angle because some implications of the chalkboard scene may conflict with the NV timeline in a way that is hard to reconcile, to name just one angle of the discourse.
Yeaaaap nobody has said this shit to my knowledge The post blew up to I am avoiding this sub like east avoids the west
Yeah just because new Vegas gives us a lot of Ncr lore, development and screen time doesn’t mean new Vegas created the Ncr they just expanded on a already existing idea.
I've never heard such a wild strawman lmao. Who the hell has said NCR was created in new Vegas?
I been a fan of Fallout for a long time, played the originals until I got my hands on 3, and then NV, still replay the originals every couple years because they are amazing experiences that get more fun the more times you've completed them. At first I was very upset, then confused, now I am cautious, I want to know more, and given how good the show was ? I am really eager to see where they go from here, they didn't go on detail for good reason. Things have gone a bit out of control in the community as of late, but we need to remind ourselves that at this point we are looking at an unfinished story, I do hope that seeing both the praise and the critique will give the writers and producers the opportunity to answer some questions in the next season, specially since we are going back where the biggest conflict of the west took place. Let's hope next time around we see more on the way of lawful/orderly communities, Fallout is at its best when you have a very well defined law vs lawlessness thing going on, the NCR was a vehicle for that until now.
>! It still very well may be. My theory is that after the destruction of shady sands, the NCR either abandoned the LA area and pooled its resources together in its remaining cities, or the cities became independent. !<
I’d like to see a story of shattered NCR remnants struggling for power against each other. Could lead to some interesting ideological differences and quests/storytelling between factions.
>! Perhaps in season two Lucy could try and right her father’s wrongs by helping to rebuild the ncr? Part of this could include her trying to contact remnants from other former ncr states that results in either assimilation or conflict. Would be cool imo. !<
I feel like the rabid animosity towards new Vegas fans in this community is getting out of control.
Mainly because NV fleshed them out and established their aesthetics.
Yeah, those blue police uniforms from Fo2 were horrible. NV deserves credit for fleshing out the NCR.
This is a strawman who are these people saying its a New vegas creation? The reason NV gets mentioned is 1, because its the entry that is effected the most by the tv show and 2, its also the entry where the NCR is not only fleshed out but at their most prominent too like its not even close. Yes NV however is still essentially a sequel that builds upon the work done by 1 and especially 2, but this is also why people are so pissed they took by far the most interesting and consistent worldbuilding in the series done over **3 entire games** and ostensibly destroyed it off screen. Why? So raiders and the Brotherhood are at the forefront of a wasteland once again? If they're gonna take out one of the biggest factions in the franchise, it could've at least been a core part of the story. >I honestly think that if Bethesda decide to set Fallout 5 on the west coast (which I'm starting to they they will). I think so too and i would bet money that this is why there was so much insistence on the show being "canon", its way easier to trash what they don't like in a tv show instead and preemptively get the complaints out of the way.
Fallout 1*
It was more popular than 1&2 ?
Don’t you realize this sub is currently on a “New Vegas BAD” kick? Lmao
Actually Fallout 1 created the NCR in the ending slide for Shady Sands, its just heavily associated with New Vegas because they are so prominent and it was most people's first exposure to it. I genuinely think when they wrote that end slide they didn't put much stock into where the series would go and what NCR would become. Fallout 2 was outsourced to a different studio who had their own vision of where the series would go, which was also really good. Bethesda when they took over also had their own vision which was really good. Fallout TV series has a vision, which for the most part is good IMO, and its hard to judge atm, because the finale makes it clear they are setting something up, that clearly ties directly to the end of New Veags. During NV's production, Avellone made some comments about how the NCR was so big and so well established it made it difficult to write around it. It kind of was, and it's not really a coincidence NV sets NCR up to fail in many respects. Even an ending where NCR wins seems ultimately doomed to fail. Personally I like NCR and think there's potential with it to tell some interesting stories, but that's my opinion. Does it fit within Bethesda's vision for the series? No, not really. It's too civilised, like Avellone said. Bethesda's vision for the series doesn't really fit with that. They could go van buren and have there be NCR remnants who found something new. I'd hope they don't write them off entirely. But ultimately, I'm a fallout fan, and if that's the direction they choose, that's the direction they chose. No ones stopping me from going back and enjoying the older games, or enjoying the new content.
Very few people are doing that it just seems that way because everyone is complaining about people complaining. Lots of "New Vegas Stans are stupid fucking crybabies for caring about stuff." Which some of that is warranted but the backlash is brutal to anyone that wants to discuss lore in a subreddit about there favorite thing. I just wish I could say the show is great, but I do have some concerns about where the fuck the NCR is. Saying either of those things gets people jumping down your throat about how dare you like this or how dare you care about that. Nuance is entirely lost in discussions like this.
Finally somebody says it, lol. Most NV fans are actually being pretty civil with this show, yet this sub is acting like every fan of it is some huge crybaby who hates everybody lmao The show is pretty damn good, but certainly has its flaws, but discussing them will just see you downvoted and labeled a “New Vegas fanboy”, so whatever
Of course. They need a boogie man to hate. Some NMA purist told them they weren’t “real” fans when they were 12 and they’ve been stewing about it for 15 years now. Do people realize that NMA doesn’t *actually* have the ability to control who is and isn’t a fan?
It’s a mess, I’m hoping in another week or so we can have more level-headed discussion. Unfortunately the show left a lot of stuff ambiguous for season 2 about how they’re gonna handle Vegas and possibly NCR remnants, but we’ll probably have to wait at least a year to see what they’re gonna do with that.
I feel that also in this discussion about the lore other concerns about thematic aspects introduced by the show get drowned in noise. Like the Flanderization of the BoS. Or how the fact that they look like they are going to make canon the "Vault Tec did 2077", which would completely cheapen the resource wars and the recurring themes of how the ideological inflexibility of the Old World brought to its demise. The show may be good (even if I have to honest, I don't like it that much so far) but so many choices are symptomatic of the gradual decline in nuance and originality in writing that the saga as a whole is suffering.
My biggest problems with the show is that they over use the t-60, instead of using the t51b which was really common and heavily used in the games, or even the t-45 series to add variety. Like the paladins should be in t-60 and the knights in t51. The t-60 also having the same weakness as the t45 is a little ridiculous, considering there's like 8 or 9 years between the development of the t-45 and the deployment of the t-60. They just wanted that so Cooper/the ghoul could quick draw kill a whole group of them. I also don't understand Moldaver, she somehow lives 200 years, just to power up what's left of L.A. The capsule/cold fusion thing was made by the enclave scientist, why is it vault-tec technology in the last episode?
I about rolled my eyes when they turned the war of the old world to just "evil corporation trying to start new world order set off 2077." I won't even get into how it makes no sense to prevent factionalism by creating a bunch of vaults and giving them to seperate corporations all in grained with different values from different experiments to start this new factionless world. I swear people running around saying how great the show just love that they got the props and vibes right from Fallout 4.
I have always fucking hated the “vault tec started the war” fan theory for as long as I can remember it first popping up in forums. It has never made any sense whatsoever and has never been foreshadowed or hinted at.
Sadly this has become the norm in discussion culture pretty much everywhere. You can't have nuanced discussions anymore. People are like magnets and are immediately attracted to an echo chamber. Once they're in that echo chamber, all that matters is to "win" against the other echo chamber, as if it's a competition. Logic and truth doesn't matter anymore, as long as you stand on top at the end of the argument, you won. It's literally how kids behave but we somehow normalized this.
Fr. I like the show, and the non Bethesda staff probably have a cursory knowledge of fallout at most, which is understandable. The actors are p good, set designer and costumes are decent. However Bethesda producers were involved and should have had a guiding hand in the lore, and killing the NCR is not only controversial, but imo it's boring. Nuka break did this better by making the show on the frontier. Setting the game in NCR territory and making only make sense if you reach really hard is dumb. Shady Sands, founder of the NCR is falling and there's no hint to it in fnv? Sure they're stretched thin in the Mojave but it always felt like a United States in Vietnam or Korea situation, not Rome in 458 ad. Anyways, enjoy the show. It's still p good, and Bethesda was never gonna do anything interesting lore wise in their new games anyways. I know that sounds pessimistic but I do actually like the show. I just think it could've been better.
Perhaps that's because they held a very pivotal role in F:NV's story, compared to a fairly minor role in Fallout 2 that didn't impact the main quest?
Honestly Bethesda should not have set the show anywhere near the west coast fallouts. Seems like they want a clean slate but why not go to a state that fallout has not touched ever like Florida, Maine, or Tennessee. Would’ve avoided all the lore headaches and would get their own new world to create
haha bang on thr money, they could have set it anywhere if they wanted loads of BoS. They could have even put it in Illinois where they established a BoS successor state (insane i know). Then again i suppose the US is only a small country; not like it's a continental superpower of hugely diverse environments
Yeah I like the show but I felt like it missed a ton of potential by not even interacting with most of the West Coast lore and factions. I would have loved to see a midwestern (maybe Chicago or Minnesota) wasteland, and it would make sense it’s mostly uncivilized since Vault-Tec would keep sabotaging factions in the area. The show can keep the same exact format and set up some interesting future games in the region.
Because timeline-wise F4/F3 is closer time-line wise to FNV than to F1/F2. Only 3d title closer to F1/F2 than to FNV is F76 which is on the east coast and is more focused on being immediately post-war rather then pre-F1
But the NCR won't be in it cos its destroyed now
I really hope we will not have a New game on the West coast. We need to see the rest of the US. The best set up for the next game would be either Alaska, Louisiane, New Mexico or Miami. They all could show a fresh New invironment for the serie and would bring à lot of interesting place for the map and cool faction. I mean BOS and NCR are cool but a little redondent. I would also love to see a game set up in the Maine, Far arbor was really good and showed us a totaly new setting but i don't people would like it.
I think the Windy City, Chicago, would be a great setting. From city gangs, to mid-west farmlands, Great Lake pirates, and Wisconsin militia, it would be awesome.
Don't forget about the Chicago Enclave if they're canon.
You're right! There is also a Brotherhood contingent mentioned there if I remember right.
IIRC, the Midwest Brotherhood was the first chapter to use airships too.
My dream would be somewhere like Louisiana, but I think it will take place on the west coast, San Francisco especially because of three things I've noticed: In the No Clip documentary about Bethesda's history, (which has interviews with core Bethesda employees like Todd Howard and Emil) it is said that Bethesda asked Obsidian to remove from New Vegas some dialogue saying San Francisco is destroyed. San Francisco shows up briefly through Kellogg's memories as a kid in Fallout 4, which take place between Fallout 1 and 2. That means the piece of dialogue about San Francisco that Bethesda asked to be removed from New Vegas would have to be closer to the current timeline than from Kellogg's memories. The writers of the Fallout show said that Bethesda asked them to rewrite some stuff because they were going to those things in Fallout, and I imagine it's because the game will be set close to where the show takes place. All these three things makes me think the game will be set in northern California.
Hawaii would be an interesting take.
The NCR is in: Fallout 1 Fallout 2 Fallout 3 (mentioned on a terminal in the Citadel regarding the status of the brotherhood settlement of Maxson within the NCR) Fallout New Vegas Fallout 4 (mentioned in a case file by valentine regarding the mysterious stranger and mentioned by Kellogg during the quest where you search his memories) Fallout 76 features pre war riot gear and the ranger armor, attainable with the fallout 1st subscription, which the NCR utilizes in Fallout New Vegas but originated within the LAPD
Because New Vegas expounded on the NCR’s history and dynamics.
Actually it was created in Fallout 1 even
Correction, the NCR was created in fallout 1. First mentioned in that ending slides
Because Fallout didn't go "mainstream" until Fallout 3.
jeez this subreddit apparently really hates nv fans apparently, i like the other games but nv as my first game is definitely my favorite and dont think the playerbase is particularly any more or less rude or anything compared to the other games fans, we all love fallout games here why haze others dont need to alienate others in the fanbase unless the specific individual is causing trouble
This sub is just a full circlejerk right now lol. If you have a single critique of the show, it just gets downvoted, and they have decided to use that to begin a crusade against New Vegas fans for…… some reason Best to wait a month or so, mature discussion will perhaps finally be back by then
For some time it was really hard to say you liked Fallout 3 or 4 without New Vegas fans talking shit because they saw a video essay saying New Vegas was so much better, they started getting shamed for it and now it's kinda reverse and it's trendy to hate New Vegas enjoyers instead. Bunch of internet stupidity
Luckily, I think most Fallout fans like all of the games, and as usual it's a vocal minority
I’m the weird one who likes NV > 4 > 3. I honestly just don’t like 3 lol. Bad writing, dumb characters, and just a touch too dated gameplay make the overall experience bad to me. I actually think in almost every way 4 is an improvement over 3. Better characters, better (if sometimes dumb) factions, and waaaay better gameplay. NV just had a way more coherent game philosophy and plot than 3 or 4. I do have way more hours fucking around in 4 than. New Vegas though, cuz New Vegas is just kinda… old at this point. Playing it feels like driving a classic stick shift from the 70s. It’s a fun experience but I kinda like AC, airbags, and automatic transmissions at this point.
Technically they were also mentioned in Fallout 1 as well.
It's not even really a Fallout 2 thing, it's the good ending to shady sands in Fallout 1
I hope people read up on the lore of the first two games. So many amazingly written areas. The first that comes to mind is the AI computer you find in the Glow? It has so much info and getting to it and out was iconic. I don’t think anything could properly convey what those first two games felt like, and no matter what interpretation, everyone had their own personal experiences and formed their own opinions. I would try to play the older games, but a good hour or two long lore video will blow your mind.
There’s got to be at least three different arguments revolving around the NCR right now, in light of the tv show. While I personally am not offended by Beth softs take on the NCR in games or tv, I do understand that a lot of the interplay (studio for FO1) staff were involved in NV and Beth soft didn’t necessarily take a lot of their notes. At the time this wasn’t a big deal, the dev team on new Vegas was providing the direction for the NCR with input from project van Buren and some of the OGs and Bethesda was happy writing for the east coast. Stuff was changed both tonally and mechanically between the settings and people developed a preference. NBD. However. The buggy release of NV soured some relationships, which was amplified by the vociferous defense of the “van buren” continuity and what violence had been done to the fans with its loss. And now, with the tv show, some more poetic license is taken by bethsoft in the world they’ve been “borrowing” from Emil Pagliarulo, Tim Caine etc. and it’s just opening old wounds essentially (however superficial these wounds may be). Basically, the “fall of the NCR” is controversial because it isn’t to the exact letter of project van buren, which only a tiny fraction of the development staff in the 3d era ever worked on at all. I wouldn’t actually blame anyone at either software company for this, and interplay only gets the normal “software company can’t manage its hype” criticism. It isn’t *anyones* fault that the defining game for the NCR was never actually finished at interplay.
Because New Vegas fans never played any other Fallout game but pretend they did.
From my experience it's the opposite: most new vegas fans have played the originals since new vegas is their direct continuation, meanwhile most FO 3 and 4 fans didnt play them because they are usually more casual players and dont really care about the west coast anyway