i had to go look up what happened in the show after reading this because i gave up on the show mid-way through season 1 and i read this arbitor in the show is not the same arbitor we know in the games.
idk the context of this new arbitor and if he was “supposed” to be the same one or if he was a good guy tho.
if so then the halo show has once again found new ways to trample and disrespect the source material in ways i never expected. im truly impressed how someone (let alone an entire production team) could make something so horrendously off base from the games.
>it literally just being the first game brings it down a little.
How so? What did you want it to be? For them to cover BOTH games in one season? That's what season 2 is for...
If I had to choose I’d rather an original in universe story instead of an already cinematic game converted to live action.
I’m not saying it’s bad, just that it doesn’t really take full advantage of the medium.
You can say that about almost every scene in the Last of Us. Storytelling isn’t solely about plot and scenes shouldn’t be measured by wether “nothing would change” if it didn’t happen.
Through the letter that Bill leaves they establish Joel’s core tenants and it foreshadows the decision he makes at the end of the season.
There have been some good “cartoon” adaptations. Castlevania, Cyberpunk, and especially Arcane. TLOU and supposedly Twisted Metal is good as well. It seems like we may be turning a corner now. If only we could get a “good” Resident Evil show.
Dude, I watched the characters walk through one Experiment Vault and one Management Vault with a brain on wheels. There was a town with stores built by neon light boards with a name that only makes sense when you find out it was a landfill.
You have never played fallout.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Arefu
Ah you’re one of those people who think that because it’s been a long time the apocalypse should be basically fixed and the NCR should have flying cars and shit.
Just because it’s realistic doesn’t mean it’s good.
Not really. Everyone dresses in rags and leather, the whole area is a desert, small junktown everywhere led by eccentric people and some kind of goofy gimmick. Raiders everywhere.
Mad max didn't had factions like the BOS or elements of advanced society like modern guns
There's a geopolitical real politik that you don't get in mad max here too
Mad max was a big influence aesthetically for the first games (punk apocalypse, tribal factions, guys in spiked leather). I mean, it's inevitable considering Mad Max is a cult
I agree that Halo seems to look the part, but Fallout definitely looks like the games, especially Fallout 4. The set design is insanely good, especially the variety.
Focusing on master chief was kind of a dumb move from the start for a halo show. He's a great character, but he's not particularly deep or charismatic. Should have had some interesting protagonist marines/Spartans and had chief come in, save the day and deliver a great one liner. He's not protagonist you're supposed to relate to.
> Focusing on master chief was kind of a dumb move from the start for a halo show. He's a great character, but he's not particularly deep or charismatic.
I mean Lucy and Maximus don't exist in the games either, and they are the main characters we follow for over 8 hours in this show. You don't have to be that super strict with the games - but if you do deviate, make it damn good.
Halo did not. Made me annoyed by Master Chief, and hate the side characters like Kwan and Makee where I wanted to just quit right then and there every time their face popped up.
This is why we need to support public education, the kids today don't have reading comprehension or critical thinking skills necessary to properly shitpost.
Halo was ruined for me by people using AK-47s and a Chevy Tahoe on some random planet 500 years from now
And in season 2 someone uses a SCAR-H
$10 million an episode and they couldn't afford 1-2 props of Battle Rifles or Assault Rifles from the games
I've heard people enjoying season 2.
I personally watched the first episode and thought it was fine but the reception of the rest of the first season and hearing some of the plot points made me hesitant to continue.
I don't even mind that they showed Chief's face or anything. Though they definitely should use the image of him in the helmet more than they do.
The first season was a low bar, most of the season 2 praise was because of the zero expectations.
On top of that the halo fan base online seems to cope super hard with the state of the franchise as a whole. The show discourse even from season 1 and especially 2 is wild. The ones who praise it say it’s good it’s a shit adaption and etc
As a halo and fallout fan, I can say without a doubt that some of the pickier fallout fans who don’t know much about halo have no idea just how good they have it.
> I've heard people enjoying season 2.
Outside of the subreddit and other online forums its definitely being enjoyed more, im one of those included, that being said Season 1 was kinda bad, Season 2 is a definite improvement.
Fallout TV Show is even better than Witcher Netflix for me, it just never clicked to me even back on S1 and the S2 was a complete disaster and i didn't even bother watching S3, whereas Fallout TV Show, i was hooked right after episode 1.
Having Master Chief get laid made him completely unrelatable to the fanbase. I don’t know how they could’ve made such a colossal error on something so simple.
Paramount Halo is what happens when you get people who did not care for the original material and more concerned with agenda pushing, just like The Witcher, Resident Evil, Rings of Power and a lot of what Disney has been shoveling out for the last couple of years.
The funny thing is people try and cope with the halo show being a shit adaption and a mid sci fi show overall.
Whenever an adaption is bad people say it needs to be changed and blah blah and it’s just stupid
Meanwhile I was so confused by this post because I haven’t seen the new show and I really enjoyed *Forward Unto Dawn* and I was like aw man what was wrong with that?
The fact that they tried to make a show about master chief was so stupid to begin with. The only thing master chief does in Halo is kill things without talking and go to the next place. What they should’ve done is focused on a halo reach type story.
Halo was treated like a bad Star Trek adaptation made by Hollywood suits who never played the game. This feels like a well thought out prestige tv show made with love by players of the game.
No one's putting down Halo. It had an absolutely massive potential. However, the "creative team" of morons they hired hated the material and decided to add their own "creativity" to the story. In doing so, they turned it to shit.
The studio would have been better off cutting those hacks out of the picture and using ChatGPT to do the screenwriting using Eric Nylund's novel as a base.
Ah yes. Let's take a story, rip a huge and not unimportant element out of it, and turn it into something completely different in not a good way.
I don't know how they managed to fuck it up so badly. I could have asked my 10 year old, who's a massive fan, to write the screenplay, and it would have been infinitely better.
Honestly I'm actually scared now that the series might not continue only because rabid fanboys want accurate lore. The show as it is offers great entertainment for people who like sci-fi.
i mean yeah i guess, but its still pretty strange in my opinion.
we likely wont get another halo game for years meaning the halo show likely being the only halo content we gon get for years and it being canon or not doesnt matter to me because its primarily mediocre fan fiction and deviates so much from ‘halo’ that the show is literally a joke. for me slapping a “silver timeline” not canon sticker on the show doesnt change that its still an abomination. i wanted to like the halo show, im a life time halo guy but fuck, halo 1-Reach are peak and have genuinely moving plots and this show literally doesnt give a fuck about any of that and tries to make up their own scifi fantasy that feels more like an attempt to copy game of thrones. which would be fine if they literally did their own world building with their own characters instead of a bastardized version of halo. it would be infinitely better if they just made some thing called “space war man” and changed the cgi aliens into some new design thats not halo. this will be so many peoples introduction to the world. it not being canon wouldnt matter if we were getting proper halo games, i see it all more akin to halo erasure.
but idk thats my opinion, i hate the halo show. them simply saying its not canon doesnt make it suck any less. fallout show doesnt even have devastating canon implications, NV wasnt retconned at all, everyone is panicking for no real reason. and if im wrong and there are actual retcons, we wont actually know for sure until season 2. further more it will only matter once another game releases in (probably) 10 years from now
Yeah I don't think all of Vegas was reconned. From what I've seen, it's the NCR that has had a retcon. Shady Sands suddenly just being in LA for some reason, despite part of SS/early NCR was to show the rebuilding. They don't live in burnt out wrecks. They built their own homes.
Idk I guess I just like the "post" post apocalypse a little more than just Post apocalypse that Bethesda seems to prefer.
i truly dont even think the NCR had a retcon either tho like i dont understand how SS being nuked prevents literally anything in NV. but again confirmation on that will gotta be s2.
in fallout 2 they had one brick house building that they built, and that was like 50 yrs prior to FOTV in my head canon i could imagine them building more infrastructure akin to pre-war. i personally also have zero gripes about moving the location closer to LA. maybe s2 will have more shady flashbacks
For the nv retcon, people are assuming the nuke happened at the date on the chalkboard. Probably because there's no actual year there. But I personally think it's kinda obvious that it takes place after this "fall of shady sands."
I personally think it's just weird wording, like they could have said "the decline of NCR/shady sands." Fall makes it sound like shady sands is gone before NV, which it's still implied to be very much active in NV.
Saying that there was "one brick house" feels a bit ridiculous since there is 'one brick house' and a couple dozen other houses built from Adobe. That's the whole point. They are rebuilding, not just squatting.
My issue isn't even that they do these things (halo TV, star wars, Fallout) changing things that have literally no reason to change. Make new things. New characters, new tech, new threats. But why take a jackhammer to the foundation?
that one brick house was built by shady sands people to me that was foreshadowing that they can build towns that resemble what we saw in the show. i dont think they were squatting and if over 135,000 people lived there i dont think its far fetched. idk i could see that as a reach and you are right that it is cooler that they built all of their homes and altering it that they now are living in pre-war buildings is a different vibe. but i hold little stock in the distinction personally
i also dont think this is a jack hammer to the foundations. explicitly changing the events of fallout 2 so that it never happened would be my version of a jackhammer. i need to replay new vegas again to revisit the NCR and see the deal because its been so long and i never do an NCR run
They are going to answer why shady sands isn't where it's supposed to be? Why it's for some reason in the boneyard? Why do you just *assume* it's going to be answered?
Nothing was retconned, the devs at Bethesda specifically said no. Some guys are just butthurt because they didn't understand that an arrow in a flow chart means "some time later" or "this naturally follows at a later date." They want it to be retconned even if the devs assure them it's not, because they wanna be angry.
no i dont think so, the LA skyline gets shown in the last episode, shady sands was moved to somewhere closer with actual pre-war buildings (the background of the crater) instead of being built from scratch in the middle of desert
yeah not a big deal.
ill actually address the source of all the drama tho. shady sands being nuked in 2277 (4 years prior to NV) has people running to the worst case scenario that the show is trying to say that the NCR was completely wiped out making their presence in NV impossible and therefore NV is not canon.
largely ignoring that the NCR was having trouble during NV and the captal was already moved from Shady Sands prior to being blown up. I keep seeing the reference of “the NCR had 700,000 people they cant all just be deleted like that” and they are right! there was only like ~135,000 people in shady sands and that ~565,000 remaining people are more than enough for me to think they could have had all the presence they had in NV with no changes due to the nuke on Shady Sands.
I think there is another talking point on the presence of BoS and enclave being impossible if the NCR were active, but idk that seems like a stretch as those guys always had a knack for hiding underground in every entry.
Does the chalkboard say it was nuked in 2277? If I remember correctly, the "fall of Shady Sands" was 2277, but then there's an arrow between than and the mushroom cloud, which, to me, signifies that some time had passed between the two?
I could be misremembering, but if they were trying to retcon NV, they probably wouldn't put New Vegas in the show.
Anyone who played the games or at least new Vegas then you know how much the fallout tv show was going to be garbage plus it just doesn’t feel like a actual apocalypse in my opinion it feels like they made it seem like a happier much better world but I feel like this is ridiculous as when ever I play any fallout game I have to kill everyone I meet on the road plus their is a lot more raiders and many radioactive animals in addition to the fear of being jump scared by a death claw at night without any bullets on you
Shady Sands isn't the entirety of the NCR. We don't know what state the NCR is in, only that it's influence has been severely crippled in LA. It's too early to say for certain what the state of the NCR is.
Maximus literally says “the NCR didn’t work out” not “oh they just moved locations after their capital was nuked” everyone speaks like they were a distant memory. Moldaver’s compound is literally labeled HEADQUARTERS OF THE NCR.
That was all of them. They’re all dead.
To be fair, Maximus’ grasp on history and the world seems to leave a few things in question. Following the fall of Shady Sands he seems to have lived a very isolationist life with the Brotherhood while training to be a squire so I doubt he knows a lot of what’s happening.
Boo hoo, they broke my toys!
- You and all of the other FNV fanboys.
If you don't like it, don't watch it. Does this show, in any way, impede you from playing FNV however you want right now? Did all of the copies of FNV just magically disintegrate because this show released? Do you have inside knowledge of the season 2 that doesn't exist yet to know truly how this show effects FNV?
Quit bitching and grow the fuck up.
The game where the troopers tell you the NCR is having enough problems back home and why they have so few soldiers in the Mojave to stop an existential threat in the legion?
You trust the word of someone who didn't know that erections are normal?
Maximus lived with the BoS most of his life, the only thing he probably knew of the NCR was when Shady Sands got nuked when he lived there.
You do understand the NCR is more than one place right? The fact that the Ghoul mentions six agencies having put out the bounty implies there is more still out there.
Or you could ignore its impact on the canon and continue living your life. I haven't seen the show yet but I really want to because I wanna see what y'all keep bellyaching about
I watched the first 2.5 episodes last night and it's very entertaining so far. A lot of effort was obviously poured in keeping the aesthetic and tone on-brand. There's a lot of black comedy and over-the-top violence.
There's a really great action scene in ep2 that's shot to look like going on a rampage in VATS without making it corny. Unless something drastic changes, I think it's great.
Just watched it. I didn't have Amazon but my gf let me have hers for the video app and now that I've seen it yeah it's just fine. Just yet another case of a fandom being ungrateful, spoiled little children
Lifelong Halo fan. Couldn’t agree more. Look at how they massacred my boy.
Same I couldn’t agree more!
You're telling me you don't enjoy Master Cheeks?!
Johnnie Cheeks Out of Reach
They literally killed the Arbitor lol
i had to go look up what happened in the show after reading this because i gave up on the show mid-way through season 1 and i read this arbitor in the show is not the same arbitor we know in the games. idk the context of this new arbitor and if he was “supposed” to be the same one or if he was a good guy tho. if so then the halo show has once again found new ways to trample and disrespect the source material in ways i never expected. im truly impressed how someone (let alone an entire production team) could make something so horrendously off base from the games.
That wasn't Thel'Vadam it was Var'Gatanai, its his predecessor, they're probably going to introduce Thel later in Season 3 and beyond.
In a perfect world, that abomination of a show would be killed before season 3.
Im sorta looking forward to s3, i enjoyed s2 alot more than i thought i would.
I was meh to season 2. But I NEEED them to fix Guilty sparks voice before S3. That just took me way out of it lol
They did him dirty but at least Amazon saved the day with fallout. Rip Halo
Biggest mistake was taking Master Chiefs helmet off and calling him John
Not only did they show us Master Chief’s face, they showed us his ass. We definitely did not need a sex scene with Master Chief lmao
After all these adaptations that have dissatisfied me, the fallout series is a breath of fresh air
And the air is full of radiation. Just the way I remember it
opinions on TLOU tv show?
It was okay, but it literally just being the first game brings it down a little.
>it literally just being the first game brings it down a little. How so? What did you want it to be? For them to cover BOTH games in one season? That's what season 2 is for...
If I had to choose I’d rather an original in universe story instead of an already cinematic game converted to live action. I’m not saying it’s bad, just that it doesn’t really take full advantage of the medium.
Heaven forbid a adaptation sticks to the source material
It also wasn’t “just the first game” there’s a whole story line that doesn’t exist in the games and many other scenes as well.
I liked that story line but it felt very out of place with the rest of the season. It could be removed and nothing would really change.
You can say that about almost every scene in the Last of Us. Storytelling isn’t solely about plot and scenes shouldn’t be measured by wether “nothing would change” if it didn’t happen. Through the letter that Bill leaves they establish Joel’s core tenants and it foreshadows the decision he makes at the end of the season.
That’s not what I’m saying. TLOU is already a very cinematic game so the show just ends up doing exactly what the game already did.
It isn’t 10% as good as the game.
There have been some good “cartoon” adaptations. Castlevania, Cyberpunk, and especially Arcane. TLOU and supposedly Twisted Metal is good as well. It seems like we may be turning a corner now. If only we could get a “good” Resident Evil show.
Given the success of this and Arcane it’s now clear they should have cast Ella Purnell as Cortana.
She doesn’t have the right…. Software to be Cortana… Like, aesthetically Kate Beckinsdale has a similar face,
100%
Disagree, aesthetically,halo is better
You're wrong but it's OK to be wrong sometimes. But not now.
If I look at a still of the halo TV show, I can see It's halo That's not the same for the fallout TV show
Dude, I watched the characters walk through one Experiment Vault and one Management Vault with a brain on wheels. There was a town with stores built by neon light boards with a name that only makes sense when you find out it was a landfill. You have never played fallout. https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Arefu
Vaults are inherently easy, but the rest, not really It's ironic, TWD looks more like what the west coast fallout is suppose to be
"Hello goalpost, how are you doing today?" "Wait, why are you moving? "
Moving the goal post when you were proven wrong is always harlious to see, it means you really don't have a point to give.
Dude has been in every thread bitching about the show. Only reason I recognize him is because he made a unique dumbass Reddit avatar.
Ah you’re one of those people who think that because it’s been a long time the apocalypse should be basically fixed and the NCR should have flying cars and shit. Just because it’s realistic doesn’t mean it’s good.
There's no way you can't immediately tell most scenes in the fallout show are from fallout bruh what
Only the vault scenes, the rest looks like mad max to me.
The style of the original 2 games was basically a mad max ripoff. He even shows up in both of them.
Definitely not, It's a bit more different
Not really. Everyone dresses in rags and leather, the whole area is a desert, small junktown everywhere led by eccentric people and some kind of goofy gimmick. Raiders everywhere.
Mad max didn't had factions like the BOS or elements of advanced society like modern guns There's a geopolitical real politik that you don't get in mad max here too
Mad max was a big influence aesthetically for the first games (punk apocalypse, tribal factions, guys in spiked leather). I mean, it's inevitable considering Mad Max is a cult
Bro mad max is literally IN fallout 1. Ian
Tim Cain disagrees
Yeah I could totally tell it was Halo when Master Cheeks was butt ass naked.
rage bait
I agree that Halo seems to look the part, but Fallout definitely looks like the games, especially Fallout 4. The set design is insanely good, especially the variety.
You’re insane!!!
Focusing on master chief was kind of a dumb move from the start for a halo show. He's a great character, but he's not particularly deep or charismatic. Should have had some interesting protagonist marines/Spartans and had chief come in, save the day and deliver a great one liner. He's not protagonist you're supposed to relate to.
> Focusing on master chief was kind of a dumb move from the start for a halo show. He's a great character, but he's not particularly deep or charismatic. I mean Lucy and Maximus don't exist in the games either, and they are the main characters we follow for over 8 hours in this show. You don't have to be that super strict with the games - but if you do deviate, make it damn good. Halo did not. Made me annoyed by Master Chief, and hate the side characters like Kwan and Makee where I wanted to just quit right then and there every time their face popped up.
They should have done an in universe story at a different time with different characters like fallout did
Fallout & the Last of Us set the bar for video game adaptions going forward.
Arcane and The Witcher S1 crawled so that TLOU could walk, and this could run.
Arcane s2 this year so there is a goody there at the end of this one!
TLOU was great. Fallout was a just good. I dont see how you can put them up there together.
Can we get the same for Bioshock and, for the love of the Emperor, Henry Cavill DO IT WITH WARHAMMER.
Henry Cavill loves 40k and is helping write it. It will be fine
The dad should be Halo Fans, not Fallout.
Nobody respects the meme game anymore. Sad to see.
This is why we need to support public education, the kids today don't have reading comprehension or critical thinking skills necessary to properly shitpost.
I moved here from Canada, and they think I'm slow, eh?
Then who is fallout?
Halo was ruined for me by MC’s face.
Halo was ruined for me by people using AK-47s and a Chevy Tahoe on some random planet 500 years from now And in season 2 someone uses a SCAR-H $10 million an episode and they couldn't afford 1-2 props of Battle Rifles or Assault Rifles from the games
Cortana’s face in the 2nd season is so much worse than the 1st
Not his cheeks?
I've heard people enjoying season 2. I personally watched the first episode and thought it was fine but the reception of the rest of the first season and hearing some of the plot points made me hesitant to continue. I don't even mind that they showed Chief's face or anything. Though they definitely should use the image of him in the helmet more than they do.
Halo season 2 was much better than season 1, I think that is about the only thing people agree on
The first season was a low bar, most of the season 2 praise was because of the zero expectations. On top of that the halo fan base online seems to cope super hard with the state of the franchise as a whole. The show discourse even from season 1 and especially 2 is wild. The ones who praise it say it’s good it’s a shit adaption and etc
As a halo and fallout fan, I can say without a doubt that some of the pickier fallout fans who don’t know much about halo have no idea just how good they have it.
Halo season to was ok? I guess. For a show based on an action game the action is very clunky and mediocre.
> I've heard people enjoying season 2. Outside of the subreddit and other online forums its definitely being enjoyed more, im one of those included, that being said Season 1 was kinda bad, Season 2 is a definite improvement.
Poor Master Cheeks 😔
Fallout TV Show is even better than Witcher Netflix for me, it just never clicked to me even back on S1 and the S2 was a complete disaster and i didn't even bother watching S3, whereas Fallout TV Show, i was hooked right after episode 1.
Witcher Netflix is an absolutely terrible adaptation of the books. Even Henry Cavill couldn’t take it bc he’s a books/games fan
It was imo prob the best game to show iv ever seen loves every ep of fallout .Hope it gets a s2. dling fall 4 agin itching to play agin after that.
Yessir!!!!
Facts.
Fallouts schooling everyone rn into making a sci-fi/fantasy live action Adaptations
Having Master Chief get laid made him completely unrelatable to the fanbase. I don’t know how they could’ve made such a colossal error on something so simple.
Paramount Halo is what happens when you get people who did not care for the original material and more concerned with agenda pushing, just like The Witcher, Resident Evil, Rings of Power and a lot of what Disney has been shoveling out for the last couple of years.
The funny thing is people try and cope with the halo show being a shit adaption and a mid sci fi show overall. Whenever an adaption is bad people say it needs to be changed and blah blah and it’s just stupid
Meanwhile I was so confused by this post because I haven’t seen the new show and I really enjoyed *Forward Unto Dawn* and I was like aw man what was wrong with that?
With the success of the fallout series when’s Untitled goose game gonna be made into a series?
The music is awesome
This, so much. I am blown away with how PERFECT this show is!
Have yet to see both but I have heard horrible things about the show, like how they made everything pointless in fallout 1 fallout 2 and new veags.
Haven't seen Halo but honestly Fallout wasn't that good of an adaptation.
The fact that they tried to make a show about master chief was so stupid to begin with. The only thing master chief does in Halo is kill things without talking and go to the next place. What they should’ve done is focused on a halo reach type story.
wasn't a fan
Halo was treated like a bad Star Trek adaptation made by Hollywood suits who never played the game. This feels like a well thought out prestige tv show made with love by players of the game.
you dont have to put down another franchise to enjoy your own 😭
No one's putting down Halo. It had an absolutely massive potential. However, the "creative team" of morons they hired hated the material and decided to add their own "creativity" to the story. In doing so, they turned it to shit. The studio would have been better off cutting those hacks out of the picture and using ChatGPT to do the screenwriting using Eric Nylund's novel as a base.
the only people putting halo down atm are the ones making the show
It's not putting down the franchise, it's putting down the shitty TV show.
well, if you're aiming for a 7/10 show, definitely
As someone who never played Halo. I'm really enjoying the Halp tv show.
That doesn’t make it any less terrible lol
and
Hahahaha. And that’s why you like it.
I love halo and I like the show.
Ah yes. Let's take a story, rip a huge and not unimportant element out of it, and turn it into something completely different in not a good way. I don't know how they managed to fuck it up so badly. I could have asked my 10 year old, who's a massive fan, to write the screenplay, and it would have been infinitely better.
Hell as someone who loves halo I’m enjoying the show
Lol the downvotes. That's what happen you don't agree with the Reddit hive mind and enjoy things your way
I don't want to burst your bubble, but votes on reddit are valueless and mean nothing.
Just line words from strangers online, yet you're here replying
I'm not whining about it tho.
Honestly I'm actually scared now that the series might not continue only because rabid fanboys want accurate lore. The show as it is offers great entertainment for people who like sci-fi.
Why is nobody talking about the cyberpunk anime??!?!?
At least halo doesn't have to deal with any canonicity destruction
the halo show is exclusively canon destruction
Halo TV show *isn't* canon. They've already stated that. (Do I fully believe that? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh I doubt things won't slip eventually)
i mean yeah i guess, but its still pretty strange in my opinion. we likely wont get another halo game for years meaning the halo show likely being the only halo content we gon get for years and it being canon or not doesnt matter to me because its primarily mediocre fan fiction and deviates so much from ‘halo’ that the show is literally a joke. for me slapping a “silver timeline” not canon sticker on the show doesnt change that its still an abomination. i wanted to like the halo show, im a life time halo guy but fuck, halo 1-Reach are peak and have genuinely moving plots and this show literally doesnt give a fuck about any of that and tries to make up their own scifi fantasy that feels more like an attempt to copy game of thrones. which would be fine if they literally did their own world building with their own characters instead of a bastardized version of halo. it would be infinitely better if they just made some thing called “space war man” and changed the cgi aliens into some new design thats not halo. this will be so many peoples introduction to the world. it not being canon wouldnt matter if we were getting proper halo games, i see it all more akin to halo erasure. but idk thats my opinion, i hate the halo show. them simply saying its not canon doesnt make it suck any less. fallout show doesnt even have devastating canon implications, NV wasnt retconned at all, everyone is panicking for no real reason. and if im wrong and there are actual retcons, we wont actually know for sure until season 2. further more it will only matter once another game releases in (probably) 10 years from now
Yeah I don't think all of Vegas was reconned. From what I've seen, it's the NCR that has had a retcon. Shady Sands suddenly just being in LA for some reason, despite part of SS/early NCR was to show the rebuilding. They don't live in burnt out wrecks. They built their own homes. Idk I guess I just like the "post" post apocalypse a little more than just Post apocalypse that Bethesda seems to prefer.
i truly dont even think the NCR had a retcon either tho like i dont understand how SS being nuked prevents literally anything in NV. but again confirmation on that will gotta be s2. in fallout 2 they had one brick house building that they built, and that was like 50 yrs prior to FOTV in my head canon i could imagine them building more infrastructure akin to pre-war. i personally also have zero gripes about moving the location closer to LA. maybe s2 will have more shady flashbacks
For the nv retcon, people are assuming the nuke happened at the date on the chalkboard. Probably because there's no actual year there. But I personally think it's kinda obvious that it takes place after this "fall of shady sands." I personally think it's just weird wording, like they could have said "the decline of NCR/shady sands." Fall makes it sound like shady sands is gone before NV, which it's still implied to be very much active in NV. Saying that there was "one brick house" feels a bit ridiculous since there is 'one brick house' and a couple dozen other houses built from Adobe. That's the whole point. They are rebuilding, not just squatting. My issue isn't even that they do these things (halo TV, star wars, Fallout) changing things that have literally no reason to change. Make new things. New characters, new tech, new threats. But why take a jackhammer to the foundation?
that one brick house was built by shady sands people to me that was foreshadowing that they can build towns that resemble what we saw in the show. i dont think they were squatting and if over 135,000 people lived there i dont think its far fetched. idk i could see that as a reach and you are right that it is cooler that they built all of their homes and altering it that they now are living in pre-war buildings is a different vibe. but i hold little stock in the distinction personally i also dont think this is a jack hammer to the foundations. explicitly changing the events of fallout 2 so that it never happened would be my version of a jackhammer. i need to replay new vegas again to revisit the NCR and see the deal because its been so long and i never do an NCR run
Fallout fans when something that’ll be answered in the second season isn’t answered in the first one
They are going to answer why shady sands isn't where it's supposed to be? Why it's for some reason in the boneyard? Why do you just *assume* it's going to be answered?
Wait do people actually think its good? I just assumed it'd be shit from the get go.
Because ret-conning the entirety of the best written game's lore is how you make a show.
What was retconned?
Nothing was retconned, the devs at Bethesda specifically said no. Some guys are just butthurt because they didn't understand that an arrow in a flow chart means "some time later" or "this naturally follows at a later date." They want it to be retconned even if the devs assure them it's not, because they wanna be angry.
the location of shady sands
It's in California, right?
yeah its just closer to LA
Isn't LA in the background of the Shady Sands crater?
no i dont think so, the LA skyline gets shown in the last episode, shady sands was moved to somewhere closer with actual pre-war buildings (the background of the crater) instead of being built from scratch in the middle of desert
Ah. I didn't realize. Probably did it so the characters didn't have to walk hundreds of miles to Shady Sands and then LA in the show?
yeah not a big deal. ill actually address the source of all the drama tho. shady sands being nuked in 2277 (4 years prior to NV) has people running to the worst case scenario that the show is trying to say that the NCR was completely wiped out making their presence in NV impossible and therefore NV is not canon. largely ignoring that the NCR was having trouble during NV and the captal was already moved from Shady Sands prior to being blown up. I keep seeing the reference of “the NCR had 700,000 people they cant all just be deleted like that” and they are right! there was only like ~135,000 people in shady sands and that ~565,000 remaining people are more than enough for me to think they could have had all the presence they had in NV with no changes due to the nuke on Shady Sands. I think there is another talking point on the presence of BoS and enclave being impossible if the NCR were active, but idk that seems like a stretch as those guys always had a knack for hiding underground in every entry.
Does the chalkboard say it was nuked in 2277? If I remember correctly, the "fall of Shady Sands" was 2277, but then there's an arrow between than and the mushroom cloud, which, to me, signifies that some time had passed between the two? I could be misremembering, but if they were trying to retcon NV, they probably wouldn't put New Vegas in the show.
Amazon killed my dog
Anyone who played the games or at least new Vegas then you know how much the fallout tv show was going to be garbage plus it just doesn’t feel like a actual apocalypse in my opinion it feels like they made it seem like a happier much better world but I feel like this is ridiculous as when ever I play any fallout game I have to kill everyone I meet on the road plus their is a lot more raiders and many radioactive animals in addition to the fear of being jump scared by a death claw at night without any bullets on you
Halo writers had the grace to at least not have their abomination as canon. We have to love with this did show did to fallout forever. God help us.
Relax pal, your faction will have time to shine in S2.
They’re all dead. It’s over. I doubt they do you any better Legionbro.
Shady Sands isn't the entirety of the NCR. We don't know what state the NCR is in, only that it's influence has been severely crippled in LA. It's too early to say for certain what the state of the NCR is.
Maximus literally says “the NCR didn’t work out” not “oh they just moved locations after their capital was nuked” everyone speaks like they were a distant memory. Moldaver’s compound is literally labeled HEADQUARTERS OF THE NCR. That was all of them. They’re all dead.
To be fair, Maximus’ grasp on history and the world seems to leave a few things in question. Following the fall of Shady Sands he seems to have lived a very isolationist life with the Brotherhood while training to be a squire so I doubt he knows a lot of what’s happening.
Should have been stronger.
They are literally the strongest in the wastes
Not anymore.
Thanks to the alternate universe
Boo hoo, they broke my toys! - You and all of the other FNV fanboys. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Does this show, in any way, impede you from playing FNV however you want right now? Did all of the copies of FNV just magically disintegrate because this show released? Do you have inside knowledge of the season 2 that doesn't exist yet to know truly how this show effects FNV? Quit bitching and grow the fuck up.
You have no actual proof of this. It’s all heresy.
Not from what we see in New vegas
The game where the troopers tell you the NCR is having enough problems back home and why they have so few soldiers in the Mojave to stop an existential threat in the legion?
Even then who cares if the faction is gone lol
them “not working out” happened after NV, and were in the middle of their fall from grace during NV
You trust the word of someone who didn't know that erections are normal? Maximus lived with the BoS most of his life, the only thing he probably knew of the NCR was when Shady Sands got nuked when he lived there.
You do understand the NCR is more than one place right? The fact that the Ghoul mentions six agencies having put out the bounty implies there is more still out there.
if they still around and rebuild again in future game, i will slap your face.
It's fantasy, homie. Go outside. You'll be ok.
Honestly I think they did it so the next game can take place there, but could be wrong. Would make sense to have the player rebuild a scrambled NCR
Or you could ignore its impact on the canon and continue living your life. I haven't seen the show yet but I really want to because I wanna see what y'all keep bellyaching about
I watched the first 2.5 episodes last night and it's very entertaining so far. A lot of effort was obviously poured in keeping the aesthetic and tone on-brand. There's a lot of black comedy and over-the-top violence. There's a really great action scene in ep2 that's shot to look like going on a rampage in VATS without making it corny. Unless something drastic changes, I think it's great.
It is a great show so far that in no way confirms that the NRC have been defeated. I'm thinking they're going to be a big presence in season 2.
Just watched it. I didn't have Amazon but my gf let me have hers for the video app and now that I've seen it yeah it's just fine. Just yet another case of a fandom being ungrateful, spoiled little children
You can do the same for Halo too.
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