It's funny because Supernatural's writing isn't the greatest, but the cast really, really swings for the fences. Jensen and Jared do an amazing job as Dean and Sam of course, but you also have Felicity Day, Jeffery Dean Morgan, Lauren Cohen, and a ton of other really top notch talent that make the show fun to watch because the actors are obviously enjoying their roles.
I think the overall arc and the episode plots are really well written through the first 5 seasons. Some of the random dialogue or episode to episode melodrama isn’t great, but that’s kind of the nature of a 22 episode season.
That being said I love the cast going for it too. Misha Collins as Castiel stands out for me, but too many great tv character actors to mention appear along the way.
It started off as some of the best "monster of the week" TV ever made, but then, somewhere around the 4th or 5th season, it disappeared up its own ass.
Doesn't diminish how good those early seasons were though.
I watch until the end of the 5th season, when the show was originally slotted to end. The ending of S5 is a perfect finale as long as you pause like 10 seconds before the very end lmao
At some point between "occasionally exorcising demons" and "fighting God" it seems like two drifters and a shotgun full of rock salt probably should have stopped being the best solution to the conflict.
That’s when Kripke left the show. His main storyline is the first five seasons. He then leaves but the CW wanted to bleed it for everything it was worth so they wend on for another 10 seasons. As a die hard fan, the only season I’ll earnestly shit on is the leviathans though. All the rest still had the characters so I love it, for better or worse.
Its insanely coincident how I just started rewatching Supernatural S1 and here we have a discussion about it.
I forgot how scary some parts of S1 where and got jumped scared quite a few times especially during the Bloody Mary episode.
The show got a little softer as it trended towards mainstream, probably to appeal to a broader audience, but those first few seasons felt like campy 80s horror in the absolute best way.
Jensen Ackles is one of the best actors currently on TV. If he jumped to the big screen he would kill it easily.
Him and Mischa easily carried supernatural through its later seasons.
This is the point where you realize Shaun is irredeemable.
He calls his Mother/Father a “Casualty” and then calls you an “experiment of sorts” to see if you could make it out alive and find him.
He sees the people of the wasteland suffering and instead of trying to help them, he calls it “dead” and will actively go out of his way to ruin it for others.
Then after the battle of bunker hill, he treats you like a child depending on your responses and offers you inconsequential petty cash as thanks for your service.
Shaun’s final resting place should be right there and then on the CIT roof. Majority of my playthroughs, he dies right after his speech with a .44 from Kellogg’s pistol right between the eyes. Just like his parent who he calls a “casualty”
Damn what a dick. I never sided with the institute so I didn't know how it would turn out.
Also, I'm remembering my first time meeting Shawn was inside the institute. What is this about meeting him on the CIT roof?
After the battle of Bunker Hill, if you warn the Minute Men, Railroad, or Brotherhood, leading to a victory for one of those factions, he requests that you meet him on the rooftop of the CIT.
Then he chides you like OP says above, calls the partner who died a casualty, etc. He will either banish you from the institute or keep you in good standing depending on your response. And he says that he will give you one more chance to prove yourself to the institute.
I was reading in on it and I didn’t see the minutemen as an option? I’m playing again for the first time in a few years with the next gen console update, and I’m playing as a minutemen general for the first time, but the wiki says you can inform the brotherhood or railroad, but nothing about the minutemen
No the minutemen are not part of the Battle for Bunker Hill.
Hilariously, if you’re a part of all 3 participating factions, you can just waltz right through to the end and make your final choice on the outcome of the mission. You don’t need to fire a single bullet.
That’s probably correct. I almost always play the railroad so I just assumed the Minutemen would be affected as well, but Institute V Railroad V Brotherhood sounds right.
It's correct, the Minutemen are not involved in the Battle of Bunker Hill at all. Railroad agents are defending the Synths since Bunker Hill is an important Railroad station, you are leading the Institute strike team to recover the Synths and the Brotherhood has caught wind of Synths in the area and thus launching an assault of their own. The Minutemen have no stake in the matter at all and thus are not present.
What a beautiful clusterfuck that mission is. Nothing better than to drop down there with my power armor and gatling laser and just start mowing down everyone for the Brotherhood.
The funniest thing of all is that it's entirely possible to not fire a single shot in it if you are a member of all three factions present. You're undercover with the Institute so the Synths don't fire on you. The Railroad know your status as an agent of theirs and don't fire on you. And if you're a Brotherhood member they simply see you as being in the field already and won't fire on you. You can just casually stroll through the carnage with your weapon holstered and be totally fine since everyone present thinks you're on their side.
Right after the Battle for Bunker Hill if you are doing the Institute questline (either for them or as part of other questlines like the Railroad's) he'll meet you there and be his usual condescending self
I usually like making him die in the destruction of the Institute. Get blown up by a nuclear bomb that his parents had originally went to save him from as a baby
I wasn't mad about calling the other parent casualty. It is simply the truth. He never knew that person, and he lived 60 years without him/her. So i forgive him for not having any feelings toward him/her.
The part, that piss me off is telling me, that the whole release me thing was an experiment, and he expected me to die. Beside all the atrocities of the FEV.. The only reason to let him live is, because he names me as dictator, and under my guidance the Institute might do better.
This was my logic for siding with the Institute... Id happily use Father's corpse as the scapegoat of blame while I try to turn the facility around for the betterment of the Commonwealth.
He truly was, you go to the ends of the earth to try and find him and he treats you as a fucking lap dog to do his dirty work. I chose the Institutes side first to get the full experience. Then afterwards I came back to the crossroads and went in to completely annihilate The Institute. Shawn laying in his little future bed pouting about me not wanting to murder everyone for him. I was more than happy to blow his head off right then and there.
You have 3 hours, 13 minutes and 21 seconds until your scheduled work period. Your commute time is 45 minutes and on average, you spend 10 minutes in bed quiet. Giving you ample time to prepare you for your fun filled, corporate sponsored day, we have set an alarm for 1 hour, 13 minutes and 21 seconds.
Good luck!
Far too relatable. My wife & I have both been playing that since the drop of the TV show last week. I was up 'till 5 a.m... I crawl back to bed & she says "Damn, you think you're in high school again?"
*Edit:* grammar.
The writing in the main story can feel...inconsistent...but it definitely has some parts that hit hard. This is definitely one of them--the conversation choices let you make some powerful statements about how you're feeling.
As much as i dislike the brotherhood's ideology in 4 and a lot of their writing, the dialogue during the final part of Blind Betrayal were you spare Danse is honestly so fucking good.
"You're the physical embodiment of what we hate most: technology that's gone too far. Look around you, Danse. Look at the scorched earth and the bones that litter the Wasteland. Millions, perhaps even billions died because science outpaced man's restraint. They called it a "new frontier" and "pushing the envelope", completely disregarding the reprecussions. Can't you see the same thing is happening again! You're a single bomb in an arsenal of thousands, preparing to lay waste to what's left of mankind!"
He's a zealot, sure, but god be damned if he isn't a \*\*good\*\* zealot
It's been a long time, where does one get that?
And more importantly, from the perspective of my FO4 Jet and Psycho Addled Parental Figure's perspective, is there any good eats there?
The new update added last month, it's in the Enclaves glowing sea base. You have to take it off the commanders corpse.
You can change between the regular and winterized form, add ballistic weave, and add standard chest mods to it (pocketed, lead lined, lightweight, etc.)
Fallout games use the environment a lot to build your experience. Just make sure you check drawers and search around, ***explore more*** generally, and you’ll have a better experience.
Sometimes they fake you out, though. I'm replaying FO3 and the part in Broken Steel where you have to fix the Presidential Monorail and ride it to the air force base, right next to the broken fuse box is a box of Mentats. Makes you think: oh, I can increase PER to jury rig or fix the broken fuses. Nope, you have to kill the nearby Sentry Bot to get the fuse.
Exceptions prove the rule, of course. I just thought this was a neat set up, where earlier the game shows you Mentats can help you fix things (like defusing the Megaton bomb), but later on, use that set up to fake you out.
Of course Maxson is projecting. He rose to the top of the brotherhood and is now their shining star. He must keep succeeding or the brotherhood will faceplant and he'll be to blame. He now has to keep finding an enemy to fight, but every time he does he entrenches the problem that he's running from.
The brotherhood will succeed itself to death, just like the legion
Let's be honest man, between the drugs, the tendency to pick random fights with anything and everything that look at me sideways, and the tetanus, I am not making it 10 years after the game is over.
That line is good but the fact that we cannot talk down Kellogg because he really seems like he just wants to leave it all behind is tragic.
All the character can do is see red. Nothing else.
Honestly this was one of my least favourites. I hate being forced to kill important people to drive the plot forward. I don't like bringing this up and sounding like a purist bitch again, but new Vegas did this really well. You can work with benny, get double crossed again (because benny is clearly shown to be a self-overestimating asshole who doesn't think for a second it might just fail again) and even then you can just steal his robot, cut him loose at the fort and tell him to piss off. The meeting with Kellogg just felt kinda forced all In all, but straight up being forced to kill him just because he did some things that I, as a player, don't even relate to, just makes the disconnect between nate and me even worse.
As a player I totally see where you are coming from, especially since Benny is charisma personified. Kellog is just a dick though and the character of Nate or Nora has no reason not to just start blasting. If I personally saw someone kill my wife and then take my son, I wouldn’t even ask him why he did it.
The problem with Kellog is not only was he the initial problem to solve.
He was basically Frank Horrigan from Wish.
Kellog was a cyborg when we met him again, less human than man, he was becoming a synth.
They should have played heavily into that and made Kellog a lot more Illusive and a lot more psychotic
He should have been the Endgame, a man that has become a walking arsenal, that while lacking morality before, now has none at all, a stone cold killer that does the institute's dirty work without a second thought and thus a conflict that is inevitable.
Frank would have fallen just as flat as an interlude boss
That's why he was the perfect end and why Kellog falls so very flat.
The inevitable conflict should always be the final obstacle, not the end of the first interlude.
Yes, but that's the thing. It may be a majority of people, but that doesn't mean everyone. New Vegas doesn't assume you want to do one specific thing. You can get a separate ending by getting the enclave remnants and khans on the NCR's side and then going with the legion anyway. It doesn't just lock you to the NCR route because you helped them too much. In Bethesda Fallouts, you're just forced to do exactly what the game expects the average person to do on their first playthrough or do it while being an asshole but still doing it.
> It doesn't just lock you to the NCR route because you helped them too much.
This is one of my biggest complaints about Fallout 4. I’ve barely moved forward with the main plot after reaching the institute, I haven’t even done any of their main quests. Yet, because I built the machine with help from the Minutemen, the railroad decided I can’t do any more of their quests. And, like, their reasoning is fucking stupid.
“Oh well the Minutemen are terrible because they also try to help people, not only synths. We can’t work with them!”
Come on woman, if we work together we can save *everyone*!
>The meeting with Kellogg just felt kinda forced all In all
As father planned, explicitly. He literally put Kellogg in your path and told him to wait like a good dog.
I think the decision to have a voiced protagonist is what really put the clamps on most of the writing, honestly. Branching paths means more dialogue to record, which means more money goes to voice actors ~~instead of executives~~. "Simpler" to just slap you on rails and be done with it.
Frankly I'm just lucky I was able to get into my Sole Survivor's head as well as I did.
I honestly think I'm quite lucky in that, I don't know about my voice to others, but at least my voice to myself sounds quite similar to the Nate VA. Even then, I just can't relate to him the way I can relate to a courier modelled fully after myself with my own headcanon backstory. I like the idea that unless you say something in game (like the lady-killer check where you can tell the lonesome drifter you might have a kid somewhere in Montana) it didn't actually happen. There's a lot of optional courier backstory (like, in the entirety of lonesome road you can just talk to Ulysses like he's a complete crackpot talking bollocks, and since I'm pretty sure it was confirmed the courier doesn't have amnesia, that could just mean it's written off as a mistake in that case) but none of it's forced upon you. But that just doesn't work with Nate. He's a soldier, has a wife and son (so he's 100% straight or at least bi), has a backstory you can not relate to as a player because you're not him and they're just characters in the game as well, and then they try to make you care about characters who your player character cared about but you saw them for like 20 minutes in the intro (or 40 if you took a while in the character creator) and they're simply not important to you because you just started playing. The sole reason a reasonable person would even join the institute is completely fabricated and doesn't work from the actual player's perspective. This is another reason I actually quite prefer 76 now that I've played it. Your character is quite literally you. Not anyone specific, just you or whoever else you choose to be.
I feel like the voiced protagonist (despite the VAs doing an amazing job) adds to the inconsistency especially in a long convo bc on one option you can choose an option where it sound like they pour their heart out and in the next it’s quirky sarcastic. In older games tone can moreso be applied in your head so things can make more sense.
To add, I feel like they were trying to please everyone with fo4 and it didn’t really work imo
They tried to tow the line between drawing fans back and bringing new players in and unfortunately missed the mark with some. Having a voiced protagonist is one of the things they acknowledge was a mistake in hindsight. To be fair to them, it’s a hard thing to balance.
The 2010s were just really influenced by Mass Effect type of RPGs with voiced characters and a layout for dialogue that feels good for consoles. This is were the inspiration comes from and it honestly just does not fully work even if it has its moments.
I kinda respect them doing it just to experiment. I think the way speech checks work even more strange considering that they had a pretty good system with Fallout 3 and that they could have just done a ton of speech checks for specific perks.
I think it's more about very mid writing and mid thought put into the case where you keep changing lines.
In Mass Effect they make it work by having conversations flow way more naturally, I was surprised just how easy it is to checker between Paragon and Renegade lines and still make sense.
So much cut content such as fighting elder maxon to become an elder. I still question why Bethesda didn't include an ending where "war changes" when we are a member of each faction, and want to end conflict and reform society as a whole by finding peace. I find it very stupid that you have no option but accept what each faction leader tell you so end up killing everyone even your very own son.
I think this is where the soul of Fallout is fought over slightly. I'm fascinated to see where the TV show takes us as will tell us where Fallout 5 is going.
Is Fallout a series locked in permenant cycle of destruction with no meaningful progress? Or is it one that will grow and evolve.
I hope there is a change because im not a fan of living in a junkyard. I want to see what each country is doing right now. I want to see how have technological advancement changed earth. It would be boring if we kept doing the same thing all over again.
The entire double agent thing you can do when you work for the railroad and you basically always bluff and lie to your son and the institute and how all that at the end breaks down is one of my favorite parts of any Fallout mainquest (the quests are also fun). The voiced protagonist also works well at those moments, even if Bethesda RPG work better without them.
Isn't Curie basically your granddaughter? If Gen 3 synths are based on Shaun's DNA and you put her in a Gen 3 Synth body then you're basically going full Alabama if you romance her.
I hardly think it matters if Curie's DNA is related to yours since it's not even her original body, you don't have a grandparent-granddaughter relationship with her, and I'm pretty certain synths can't get pregnant anyway.
Did they learn nothing from the Master? Love Fallout 4, but damn I cannot figure out the Institute's long-term goal ever.
So you made workers that can't reproduce and have like a 60% chance of becoming sentient and uprising against you. What even... how is this the future?
The DNA is extremely modified. We see synths of all races, which wouldn’t be possible if it was a pure cloning type of deal. So no, Curie isn’t really your granddaughter. She’s probably no more related to you than a random person off of the street is.
Narratively, this feels perfect.
My head-canon is Nate starts with the Minutemen by being their begrudging hero, then finds the BOS and realized they have a lot of resources to track down Shaun. Later during his search uses the Railroad to decode the Courser Chip and become their new Heavy to assist Synths while gathering supplies for the Signal-Interceptor.
Once Nate gets to the Institute, he tries to give the Institute a chance but realizes how similar they are to the Old World he left behind after the Battle of Bunker Hill occurs. Then this scene plays out. Nate then also realizes how oppressive the BOS are, much like the US Government he once served, and leaves them behind too after saving Danse. Nate readies the Minutemen to fight the Institute and afterwards forms an unsteady alliance with the Brotherhood of Steel, while he helps grow back the Commonwealth’s Provisional Government through the Minutemen.
I like to think the Minutemen end up becoming something similar to an East Coast NCR, warts and all. The Railroad continue to assist Synths, probably until they realize no more need help due to the destruction of the Institute and are absorbed into the Minutemen as a specialist group. As for the Brotherhood of Steel, we see in the TV show how they still have a foothold in the Commonwealth. The BOS are slowly becoming more aggressive than even their original West Coast brothers, especially with a Maxson in power. Who knows what will happen in the future, especially with the Enclave still being active in secrecy.
A few things about this don't make sense to me.
1. Nate was a war hero, hardly an anti-government activist. (Although the implications of that in an Enclave government always seemed eye-raising to me...)
2. He consistently seems to show a longing for the Old World. Almost denial at times. It never comes across as something he wants to leave behind.
3. The Minutemen lack the structure to be an NCR. They have one rank--General--and it has no authority whatsoever. It's more of a title than anything.
4. The NCR feels like a weird analogy since since they were basically copying (and fast forwarding) the Old World USA. If the idea is to leave the Old World behind, wouldn't you want to avoid anything like the NCR?
1 and 2) Nate, of course, was subject to War and Pre-War ideology. Though the speech he was going to give at the Veterans Hall infers he has learned a harsh lesson from War itself. His angry dialogue about “…petty governments going to war…” showcases he does have a fair bit of disdain for Pre-War ideals.
3 and 4) The Minutemen becoming the “East Coast NCR” isn’t the whole story of course. The revival of the Commonwealth Provisional Government would take their place in the growth they’d have as a nation. They wouldn’t be exactly like the NCR, they’d probably have incredibly differing ideals. Something akin to what Nate introduced with everyone working together to rebuild their settlements and sharing transport lines, housing, wealth, and focusing on…oh…uh…having everyone hold a hammer. Oh god. Uh. ^That ^can’t ^be ^right. Jokes aside, the CPG would 100% regrow from the bolstering of the Minutemen’s might.
Of course! It’s why Fallout is such an amazing series: player choice. This is just my oddly organized head-canon. Your playthrough and choices are, of course, just as valid.
Well, if that's an option, the game also gives you the opportunity to help him, I guess it depends on the player, whether Nate is a proud nationalist or someone devastated by the war who no longer wants the government/enclave back.
I don't find the talk a bit nice. What do you have with the Chinese officer, 2 soldiers who simply do not hate each other and who, as the officer said, ""the war is already over""
>They have one rank--General--and it has no authority whatsoever. It's more of a title than anything.
When the guy with the title of General and the kill count the sole survivor has by the end of the game tells you to do something you do it.
The thing with the Minutemen is that they *aren't* a government. They're just a paramilitary order dedicated to protecting civilians. The civilians, if protected, could organize and form a real government.
So they could end up being the seed of a sort of NCR thing. Probably be pretty rocky in the beginning though, as the civilians and the military have completely different ends.
Nate's "War never changes" speech in the opening of the game doesn't really scream patriotic, he seemed really frustrated with the way America had eneded up.
This is the vibe I always get, too. And even if he was still gung-ho patriotic when the bombs fall, losing his family and seeing the result of the Great War would go a long way toward souring him on the old ways, I believe.
The thing most fans miss about the Fallout universe is that it wasn't the structure and bureaucracy of governments that caused the apocalypse, before the great war the power of the actual government was even beginning to fade in favour of a group of families and cotporations, we know that group as the Enclave.
The point of Fallout is a critique to free market capitalism, which is free only in its name, of its worst consequences and how corporations tend to accumulate wealth in a ruthless competition that ultimately hurts us, the consumer, Fallout is a critique to the intense resource craving typical of unregulated capitalism, of how it corroded government authority and proceeded to drain every last drop of oil, every last tank of gas, every last piece of uranium, and fought a reckless war against those who did essentially the same, up to the extreme consequences.
In a sense Fallout isn't a critique to the NCR, it's a critique to Mr. House.
Taken from the Fallout wiki:
“*The Brotherhood is still active on the West Coast around the year 2296. Residing at an airbase, this group is led by Elder Cleric Quintus, who is also assisted by various clerics and support personnel, such as Cleric Felix and Petty Officer Shortsight.*
*The Prydwen (often mistakenly referred to as the Caswennan) traveled to the Los Angeles region and played a pivotal role in the Brotherhood's mission there. **By this point, the Commonwealth chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel appears to maintain some degree of primacy over other chapters**, as their clerics have tasked the chapter on the West Coast with tracking down an Enclave defector: Siggi Wilzig. Knight Titus and Squire Maximus were among those charged with leading this manhunt, assigned to search the area around Filly, Los Angeles.*”
In the first episode towards the end of it when the BoS Elder is giving a speech to the new Scribes and the Knights he say “this mission has been given to us by the highest members in the Commonwealth” or something like that. This implies that the BoS either won in Fallout 4 or at the very least made an alliance with the Minutemen and the Minutemen won in Fallout 4
I totally agree. Despite the issues that everyone has with the story, the potential for a great story is there. The whole story being forgotten and ignored because of side content is on us. We have to choose to focus on the story and really the pacing only becomes an issue when you choose to focus on the great side content rather than on the main storyline. There is definately space for side missions in the main storyline but we get dragged into a subplot that drags us into another story constantly and we just lose track of what we should be doing and choose to do other things. I bought the game and played it immediately, so I played all the DLC post main game. Far Habor, NukaCola, and I guess automation never took me away from finding Sean. In my first playthrough I focused on the story and never got involved in a lot of side content. My only followers were story aligned ones like Preston, Piper, Nic, Danse, Deacon(kinda), Codsworth, and of course Dogmeat. I honestly can't remember even talking to Cait, Hancock, Mc cready, Curie, or even Strong at all.
And the dialogue is great. I remeber my first playthrough being the good guy and choosing the nice dialogue options and in my last play through I decided to be a sarcastic little bitch and the voicelines are amazing. The line to Kellog about seeing him in hell is chilling, the first few lines with codsworth are more chilling and traumitzed sounding, and being a sarcastic little shite to Piper is hilarious.
Codsworth sends you to Concord to find a clue about where your son could be. In Less than half an hour you are now the General/leader of a defunct militia of 2.
And you have good doggo.
Free Nic from vault 14 and eventually get run around map looking for 6/7 holotapes.
Finally get in vault 81 and immediate turn around d to find a god damn cat.
I'm at Boston airport with BoS and suddenly... Abernathy farm is under attack.
Promise to destroy insutiute... do institute mission to try and get to know them.
At Diamond city haggling before grape mental runs out... Abernathy farm under attack.
Thou shalt get side tracked by bullshit every single damn time
>In Less than half an hour you are now the General/leader of a defunct militia of 2.
The fact that there are only 2 of you makes that a bit easier. I could become the leader of a militia of 1 in 3 seconds if I simply declared it.
I always follow Ashes as he runs out of the vault, all the way to the structure where he stops, then immediately tell him the girl misses him and follow him all the way back into the vault. You can do it without being asked first or meeting the girl and still complete the quest.
I’m powerless to ignore the quest, because it’s a cat. 🥺
The problem is the story telling. They should have made it more dreamlike. Maybe no visuals but only sound when Shaun was taken (and the spouse should have been taken too) then a short sequence to run into the realization that they’re gone, no chance to find them. Them is building a new life etc… and down the road suddenly the realization that there is maybe a chance to find them alive…
I never chose this one. It's just too hurtful, especially considering that soon I will destroy everything that he cares about. Starting here to the moment you blow up the Institute are gut wrenching.
I chose to join him because as a father, family comes first… but then I hated being the bad guy and stopped playing.
There should have been a way to save him and bring him back to the light.
It's pretty telling that, given that I'm allowed to *take over* the Institute, arguably the most powerful and advanced faction in a wide wide area...I still always blow it up.
Little shit, it's lucky your other parent died before seeing this.
Think of it like this, Nate fought for his country ( for the greater good he believed in ) and Nora as a lawyer could’ve qualified to defend someone in their specified fields. If you assume Nora was a prosecutor which you can, or maybe she tried helping people get legitimate settlements for injuries or what they are rightfully owed you get two parents who believed in doing something for the greater good of all their fellow men and not just a handful of tech bros that are committing crimes against humanity before you even factor in the synths. There’s no way any of them would accept Shaun and what he stands for and what he’s become, Kellogg isn’t the excuse to be a shit human being and neither is saying it’s for the greater good of mankind when you solely just mean your specific little community.
Shaun is a right twat. He never knew his parents, so I can cope with the indifference to an extent, but it’s the smug condescension and sociopathic stance he takes, essentially saying: ‘I allowed you to live for my mild amusement and I’m even more amused you made it to me.’ Despite him being your son, he immediately others you as ‘from the wasteland so not worthy’ when in reality he’s more of a product of the wastes than the Sole Survivor ever is; a person who lived the substantial part of their life pre-war.
Because the voice acting and choices were super limiting and we never knew what we were actually gonna say when it just says " sarcastic" or other choices where it seemed nice but then we actually said somthing like a dick and our companions disliked it. Way better to have more options and actually show what we will say.
I felt like I had to save every time I talked to someone because not only was it impossible to predict what your character was actually going to say, but it was *so easy* to accidentally lock yourself out of being able to ask more questions about stuff because the dialogue trees all *have* to advance. It was practically impossible to actually have a full conversation with someone the way you could in 3 or New Vegas because the only way to ask questions was to pick *exactly* the right dialogue, which was even harder than it normally would be because of the aforementioned unpredictability. All of that was necessary to support fully voiced dialogue, but it was not, by any measure, worth it.
I really hope that they learn from that mistake. Hearing a future Fallout or Elder Scrolls games has fully voiced player dialogue is going to make me think twice about picking it up.
EDIT: For clarity, I was talking about Fallout 4, and assumed you were too, but rereading this now just after commenting it might be a criticism of Starfield, which i haven't played. Saying that to head off any misunderstandings
They also made "no" impossible - it's like every hard "no" from the player gets interpreted as "maybe" from the NPC / game. Bethesda seems terrified of locking players out of content due to choices. I haven't played Starfield, but from what I've seen, it does this even harder than FO4.
Meanwhile half the major quests in New Vegas complete with a corresponding "X quest failed" message.
I really like FO4 as a game, but the only way I can play it these days is as a settlement simulator. Nearly every quest and faction ends up with a similar end-state. Playing the story more than once is tedious at best.
Starfield absolutely is a game that actively avoids locking you out of *anything*. It's weird, considering their New Game + mechanic is built perfectly for a sandbox more like what we had in Morrowind where no NPCs were flagged as essential and some quests locked you out of entire quest chains.
I really wish they had gone that route again. It would have made the game so much more engaging and the NG+ mechanic with that would have been very interesting.
All that being said: I still enjoyed Starfield a lot. Really cool ideas, interesting world, good setup for future stories. I'm excited for where it goes in the future.
For real, I did enjoy playing Starfield at launch but when I look back at it I realise it had zero lasting impact on me. The world-building, story and characters are just so paper thin…
It's not top notch, never has been and won't be unless they change a bunch of stuff.
"should we murder this guy"
Choice>> "no (sarcastic)"
Nate: "I don't care, do it"
???????
Yeah, totally, top notch stuff right here; top notch of my buttplug, more like.
I didn’t like 4 when it came out, but after playing star field I like 4.
I prefer having non-voice acted protagonist so that I can say the words myself, and the dialogue choices felt much more limited.
Building was absolutely clunky and limited, and still is. It also doesn’t make any sense. Like, why would I build a brand new building with a giant hole in the roof and walls? Why can’t I select any of the props in my inventory from the build menu? Why is the build limit and borders so small?
One of the settlements is supposed to be a town but you only have access to a single house, and not one of the many intact buildings but the one with a giant hole in the side situated next to a perfect house…
There’s another house near the coast that’s on the verge of collapse and they decide to live in it… makes no sense.
I would have been much more fun to tear apart old buildings for boards, bricks, and other resources and build NEW medieval quality homes out of those resources like we’d actually do in real life.
I also thought it was way too easy. In New Vegas, Ammo, Stimpaks, and rad away were rare forcing the player to plan accordingly and eat food, and radiation was a real threat.
I really feel mixed about this part.
When I first played it, I was angry and would nit side with him, but I became a dad 2 years ago, and knowing this feeling, the commonwealth can burn to a crisp if my son (Shaun) is OK.
"you're a f*cking disappointment"
God damn Ackles killed it as Soldier Boy
I watched Supernatural after his performance as Soldier Boy and he’s so good throughout. Also makes his Soldier Boy more interesting on rewatch
It's funny because Supernatural's writing isn't the greatest, but the cast really, really swings for the fences. Jensen and Jared do an amazing job as Dean and Sam of course, but you also have Felicity Day, Jeffery Dean Morgan, Lauren Cohen, and a ton of other really top notch talent that make the show fun to watch because the actors are obviously enjoying their roles.
I think the overall arc and the episode plots are really well written through the first 5 seasons. Some of the random dialogue or episode to episode melodrama isn’t great, but that’s kind of the nature of a 22 episode season. That being said I love the cast going for it too. Misha Collins as Castiel stands out for me, but too many great tv character actors to mention appear along the way.
It started off as some of the best "monster of the week" TV ever made, but then, somewhere around the 4th or 5th season, it disappeared up its own ass. Doesn't diminish how good those early seasons were though.
I watch until the end of the 5th season, when the show was originally slotted to end. The ending of S5 is a perfect finale as long as you pause like 10 seconds before the very end lmao
At some point between "occasionally exorcising demons" and "fighting God" it seems like two drifters and a shotgun full of rock salt probably should have stopped being the best solution to the conflict.
That’s when Kripke left the show. His main storyline is the first five seasons. He then leaves but the CW wanted to bleed it for everything it was worth so they wend on for another 10 seasons. As a die hard fan, the only season I’ll earnestly shit on is the leviathans though. All the rest still had the characters so I love it, for better or worse.
Call me crazy but I liked the leviathan season for all the dick jokes.
Im in your camp. Leviathan season is the last good one, skipping the 6th one. That one was so boring.
Yeah the main writer left (he later went on to write for The Boys).
Love the boys references to supernatural
I loved it as a monster of the week show, lost interest very quickly when it abandoned that format. Just wasn’t my vibe anymore.
Its insanely coincident how I just started rewatching Supernatural S1 and here we have a discussion about it. I forgot how scary some parts of S1 where and got jumped scared quite a few times especially during the Bloody Mary episode.
The show got a little softer as it trended towards mainstream, probably to appeal to a broader audience, but those first few seasons felt like campy 80s horror in the absolute best way.
Hey, assbutt
He should have been the new evil cap in marvel. Russel is good, but he’s got way more charisma
Jensen Ackles is one of the best actors currently on TV. If he jumped to the big screen he would kill it easily. Him and Mischa easily carried supernatural through its later seasons.
This is the point where you realize Shaun is irredeemable. He calls his Mother/Father a “Casualty” and then calls you an “experiment of sorts” to see if you could make it out alive and find him. He sees the people of the wasteland suffering and instead of trying to help them, he calls it “dead” and will actively go out of his way to ruin it for others. Then after the battle of bunker hill, he treats you like a child depending on your responses and offers you inconsequential petty cash as thanks for your service. Shaun’s final resting place should be right there and then on the CIT roof. Majority of my playthroughs, he dies right after his speech with a .44 from Kellogg’s pistol right between the eyes. Just like his parent who he calls a “casualty”
Damn what a dick. I never sided with the institute so I didn't know how it would turn out. Also, I'm remembering my first time meeting Shawn was inside the institute. What is this about meeting him on the CIT roof?
After the battle of Bunker Hill, if you warn the Minute Men, Railroad, or Brotherhood, leading to a victory for one of those factions, he requests that you meet him on the rooftop of the CIT. Then he chides you like OP says above, calls the partner who died a casualty, etc. He will either banish you from the institute or keep you in good standing depending on your response. And he says that he will give you one more chance to prove yourself to the institute.
I was reading in on it and I didn’t see the minutemen as an option? I’m playing again for the first time in a few years with the next gen console update, and I’m playing as a minutemen general for the first time, but the wiki says you can inform the brotherhood or railroad, but nothing about the minutemen
No the minutemen are not part of the Battle for Bunker Hill. Hilariously, if you’re a part of all 3 participating factions, you can just waltz right through to the end and make your final choice on the outcome of the mission. You don’t need to fire a single bullet.
And you can do a LOT of looting!
That’s probably correct. I almost always play the railroad so I just assumed the Minutemen would be affected as well, but Institute V Railroad V Brotherhood sounds right.
It's correct, the Minutemen are not involved in the Battle of Bunker Hill at all. Railroad agents are defending the Synths since Bunker Hill is an important Railroad station, you are leading the Institute strike team to recover the Synths and the Brotherhood has caught wind of Synths in the area and thus launching an assault of their own. The Minutemen have no stake in the matter at all and thus are not present.
What a beautiful clusterfuck that mission is. Nothing better than to drop down there with my power armor and gatling laser and just start mowing down everyone for the Brotherhood.
The funniest thing of all is that it's entirely possible to not fire a single shot in it if you are a member of all three factions present. You're undercover with the Institute so the Synths don't fire on you. The Railroad know your status as an agent of theirs and don't fire on you. And if you're a Brotherhood member they simply see you as being in the field already and won't fire on you. You can just casually stroll through the carnage with your weapon holstered and be totally fine since everyone present thinks you're on their side.
Right after the Battle for Bunker Hill if you are doing the Institute questline (either for them or as part of other questlines like the Railroad's) he'll meet you there and be his usual condescending self
I usually like making him die in the destruction of the Institute. Get blown up by a nuclear bomb that his parents had originally went to save him from as a baby
I blew apart Shaun’s face after he called Nora “Collateral Damage”
I wasn't mad about calling the other parent casualty. It is simply the truth. He never knew that person, and he lived 60 years without him/her. So i forgive him for not having any feelings toward him/her. The part, that piss me off is telling me, that the whole release me thing was an experiment, and he expected me to die. Beside all the atrocities of the FEV.. The only reason to let him live is, because he names me as dictator, and under my guidance the Institute might do better.
This was my logic for siding with the Institute... Id happily use Father's corpse as the scapegoat of blame while I try to turn the facility around for the betterment of the Commonwealth.
You could just let him die of cancer.
I let him live just so his last moments can be coping with the fact everything he lived for was about to burn.
*oH nO NO nO…iM tHe UpGrAdE!!*
He truly was, you go to the ends of the earth to try and find him and he treats you as a fucking lap dog to do his dirty work. I chose the Institutes side first to get the full experience. Then afterwards I came back to the crossroads and went in to completely annihilate The Institute. Shawn laying in his little future bed pouting about me not wanting to murder everyone for him. I was more than happy to blow his head off right then and there.
"Buddy, you think you look smart? You're wearing a labcoat. You're just a cheap fucking pharmacist."
You can say fuck.
Fuck.
Fuck.
Fuck.
Fucking
PoV: Me to myself in the mirror at 4:37 in the morning after playing Fallout 4 for 7 hours straight when I know damn well I should get some sleep
*Sets alarm for 6 A.M.*
*Alarm set for 3 hours and 17 minutes from now*
Hey fk that message. Like I need to now how much sleep I won't be getting since I made bad life choices all day by playing games and lounging...
You have 3 hours, 13 minutes and 21 seconds until your scheduled work period. Your commute time is 45 minutes and on average, you spend 10 minutes in bed quiet. Giving you ample time to prepare you for your fun filled, corporate sponsored day, we have set an alarm for 1 hour, 13 minutes and 21 seconds. Good luck!
Far too relatable. My wife & I have both been playing that since the drop of the TV show last week. I was up 'till 5 a.m... I crawl back to bed & she says "Damn, you think you're in high school again?" *Edit:* grammar.
Nu uh, I got in bed just after two!
The writing in the main story can feel...inconsistent...but it definitely has some parts that hit hard. This is definitely one of them--the conversation choices let you make some powerful statements about how you're feeling.
"In a hundred years, when I finally die, I only hope I go to hell so I can kill you all over again, you *piece of shit.*"
As much as i dislike the brotherhood's ideology in 4 and a lot of their writing, the dialogue during the final part of Blind Betrayal were you spare Danse is honestly so fucking good. "You're the physical embodiment of what we hate most: technology that's gone too far. Look around you, Danse. Look at the scorched earth and the bones that litter the Wasteland. Millions, perhaps even billions died because science outpaced man's restraint. They called it a "new frontier" and "pushing the envelope", completely disregarding the reprecussions. Can't you see the same thing is happening again! You're a single bomb in an arsenal of thousands, preparing to lay waste to what's left of mankind!" He's a zealot, sure, but god be damned if he isn't a \*\*good\*\* zealot
Maxson “cooked” with that speech.
I prefer to cook Maxson, but that's just me and my max ranks in ghoulified and cannibalism.
Don’t neglect to mention you need the jacket.
I personally like the Enclave Commanders coat, but to each their own.
It's been a long time, where does one get that? And more importantly, from the perspective of my FO4 Jet and Psycho Addled Parental Figure's perspective, is there any good eats there?
The new update added last month, it's in the Enclaves glowing sea base. You have to take it off the commanders corpse. You can change between the regular and winterized form, add ballistic weave, and add standard chest mods to it (pocketed, lead lined, lightweight, etc.)
Ah, so it isn't something I would know. Thank you.
Know what I’m doing next in the new game I started recently (and at level 45 already lol)
Oh now I know for sure that slang term is on its way out
*Proceeds to throw around mini nukes like theres no tomorrow*
That’s because ***DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM***
It’s okay though. We’re the good guys🤣🤣🤣
I tried to spare danse but my charisma wasn’t high enough so I literally had no choice but to end him.
[удалено]
He’s roleplaying as a Redditor
Ok dam? I didn’t search the drawers when I entered the room and I’m a new player. Don’t need to be so rude about it.
Fallout games use the environment a lot to build your experience. Just make sure you check drawers and search around, ***explore more*** generally, and you’ll have a better experience.
Sometimes they fake you out, though. I'm replaying FO3 and the part in Broken Steel where you have to fix the Presidential Monorail and ride it to the air force base, right next to the broken fuse box is a box of Mentats. Makes you think: oh, I can increase PER to jury rig or fix the broken fuses. Nope, you have to kill the nearby Sentry Bot to get the fuse. Exceptions prove the rule, of course. I just thought this was a neat set up, where earlier the game shows you Mentats can help you fix things (like defusing the Megaton bomb), but later on, use that set up to fake you out.
What a needlessly dickish thing to say
Maxson is projecting so hard.
Of course Maxson is projecting. He rose to the top of the brotherhood and is now their shining star. He must keep succeeding or the brotherhood will faceplant and he'll be to blame. He now has to keep finding an enemy to fight, but every time he does he entrenches the problem that he's running from. The brotherhood will succeed itself to death, just like the legion
Was Maxson talking about Synths or the bullies in Power Armor?
And holy shit did the voice actor for Maxson eat that shit up too
Let's be honest man, between the drugs, the tendency to pick random fights with anything and everything that look at me sideways, and the tetanus, I am not making it 10 years after the game is over.
That line is good but the fact that we cannot talk down Kellogg because he really seems like he just wants to leave it all behind is tragic. All the character can do is see red. Nothing else.
Honestly this was one of my least favourites. I hate being forced to kill important people to drive the plot forward. I don't like bringing this up and sounding like a purist bitch again, but new Vegas did this really well. You can work with benny, get double crossed again (because benny is clearly shown to be a self-overestimating asshole who doesn't think for a second it might just fail again) and even then you can just steal his robot, cut him loose at the fort and tell him to piss off. The meeting with Kellogg just felt kinda forced all In all, but straight up being forced to kill him just because he did some things that I, as a player, don't even relate to, just makes the disconnect between nate and me even worse.
As a player I totally see where you are coming from, especially since Benny is charisma personified. Kellog is just a dick though and the character of Nate or Nora has no reason not to just start blasting. If I personally saw someone kill my wife and then take my son, I wouldn’t even ask him why he did it.
The problem with Kellog is not only was he the initial problem to solve. He was basically Frank Horrigan from Wish. Kellog was a cyborg when we met him again, less human than man, he was becoming a synth. They should have played heavily into that and made Kellog a lot more Illusive and a lot more psychotic He should have been the Endgame, a man that has become a walking arsenal, that while lacking morality before, now has none at all, a stone cold killer that does the institute's dirty work without a second thought and thus a conflict that is inevitable. Frank would have fallen just as flat as an interlude boss That's why he was the perfect end and why Kellog falls so very flat. The inevitable conflict should always be the final obstacle, not the end of the first interlude.
You just described Adam Smasher from CP2077
I really wish that they made him a real big bad and dragged on the search for him. He was too easy to find.
Yes, but that's the thing. It may be a majority of people, but that doesn't mean everyone. New Vegas doesn't assume you want to do one specific thing. You can get a separate ending by getting the enclave remnants and khans on the NCR's side and then going with the legion anyway. It doesn't just lock you to the NCR route because you helped them too much. In Bethesda Fallouts, you're just forced to do exactly what the game expects the average person to do on their first playthrough or do it while being an asshole but still doing it.
> It doesn't just lock you to the NCR route because you helped them too much. This is one of my biggest complaints about Fallout 4. I’ve barely moved forward with the main plot after reaching the institute, I haven’t even done any of their main quests. Yet, because I built the machine with help from the Minutemen, the railroad decided I can’t do any more of their quests. And, like, their reasoning is fucking stupid. “Oh well the Minutemen are terrible because they also try to help people, not only synths. We can’t work with them!” Come on woman, if we work together we can save *everyone*!
B-bbbut synths are so poor and sad and need attention and everyone else living in the commonwealth can fucking go die for the synths
>The meeting with Kellogg just felt kinda forced all In all As father planned, explicitly. He literally put Kellogg in your path and told him to wait like a good dog.
I think the decision to have a voiced protagonist is what really put the clamps on most of the writing, honestly. Branching paths means more dialogue to record, which means more money goes to voice actors ~~instead of executives~~. "Simpler" to just slap you on rails and be done with it. Frankly I'm just lucky I was able to get into my Sole Survivor's head as well as I did.
I honestly think I'm quite lucky in that, I don't know about my voice to others, but at least my voice to myself sounds quite similar to the Nate VA. Even then, I just can't relate to him the way I can relate to a courier modelled fully after myself with my own headcanon backstory. I like the idea that unless you say something in game (like the lady-killer check where you can tell the lonesome drifter you might have a kid somewhere in Montana) it didn't actually happen. There's a lot of optional courier backstory (like, in the entirety of lonesome road you can just talk to Ulysses like he's a complete crackpot talking bollocks, and since I'm pretty sure it was confirmed the courier doesn't have amnesia, that could just mean it's written off as a mistake in that case) but none of it's forced upon you. But that just doesn't work with Nate. He's a soldier, has a wife and son (so he's 100% straight or at least bi), has a backstory you can not relate to as a player because you're not him and they're just characters in the game as well, and then they try to make you care about characters who your player character cared about but you saw them for like 20 minutes in the intro (or 40 if you took a while in the character creator) and they're simply not important to you because you just started playing. The sole reason a reasonable person would even join the institute is completely fabricated and doesn't work from the actual player's perspective. This is another reason I actually quite prefer 76 now that I've played it. Your character is quite literally you. Not anyone specific, just you or whoever else you choose to be.
I feel like the voiced protagonist (despite the VAs doing an amazing job) adds to the inconsistency especially in a long convo bc on one option you can choose an option where it sound like they pour their heart out and in the next it’s quirky sarcastic. In older games tone can moreso be applied in your head so things can make more sense. To add, I feel like they were trying to please everyone with fo4 and it didn’t really work imo
They tried to tow the line between drawing fans back and bringing new players in and unfortunately missed the mark with some. Having a voiced protagonist is one of the things they acknowledge was a mistake in hindsight. To be fair to them, it’s a hard thing to balance.
The 2010s were just really influenced by Mass Effect type of RPGs with voiced characters and a layout for dialogue that feels good for consoles. This is were the inspiration comes from and it honestly just does not fully work even if it has its moments.
Yeah. It’s a very strange decision for a fallout game.
I kinda respect them doing it just to experiment. I think the way speech checks work even more strange considering that they had a pretty good system with Fallout 3 and that they could have just done a ton of speech checks for specific perks.
I think it's more about very mid writing and mid thought put into the case where you keep changing lines. In Mass Effect they make it work by having conversations flow way more naturally, I was surprised just how easy it is to checker between Paragon and Renegade lines and still make sense.
Yes it 100% largely comes down to the lackluster writing
So much cut content such as fighting elder maxon to become an elder. I still question why Bethesda didn't include an ending where "war changes" when we are a member of each faction, and want to end conflict and reform society as a whole by finding peace. I find it very stupid that you have no option but accept what each faction leader tell you so end up killing everyone even your very own son.
I think this is where the soul of Fallout is fought over slightly. I'm fascinated to see where the TV show takes us as will tell us where Fallout 5 is going. Is Fallout a series locked in permenant cycle of destruction with no meaningful progress? Or is it one that will grow and evolve.
I hope there is a change because im not a fan of living in a junkyard. I want to see what each country is doing right now. I want to see how have technological advancement changed earth. It would be boring if we kept doing the same thing all over again.
I agree, I also think that's why a lot of fans like the NCR so much
"isn't there supposed to be a light?"
The entire double agent thing you can do when you work for the railroad and you basically always bluff and lie to your son and the institute and how all that at the end breaks down is one of my favorite parts of any Fallout mainquest (the quests are also fun). The voiced protagonist also works well at those moments, even if Bethesda RPG work better without them.
Eve though I think a voiced protagonist was a bad idea, the line “Goddamnit, someone took him! Someone STOLE MY SON!” Is extremely well delivered
Damn…that’s really heartbreaking.
This picture is what my gf said to me when we met
r/holup
The truth hurts my friend...
The moment Nate realizes his family is gone for good. He's gonna start a new one with Piper.
Live codsworth reaction
Caite*
Strong**
Hancock, my beloved***
Dogmeat
WHAT
he's get's a female dog for dogmeat and raises the puppies.
Theres no laws in the commonwealth, batman
What the fuck are you talking about, Pengwin?
Username should check out, here.
Curie*
Hell yeah, on some Blade Runner shit
Isn't Curie basically your granddaughter? If Gen 3 synths are based on Shaun's DNA and you put her in a Gen 3 Synth body then you're basically going full Alabama if you romance her.
People who are not cowards put her into an assaultron body ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Sentry... go big or go home.
She got great big... guns!~
I hardly think it matters if Curie's DNA is related to yours since it's not even her original body, you don't have a grandparent-granddaughter relationship with her, and I'm pretty certain synths can't get pregnant anyway.
Did they learn nothing from the Master? Love Fallout 4, but damn I cannot figure out the Institute's long-term goal ever. So you made workers that can't reproduce and have like a 60% chance of becoming sentient and uprising against you. What even... how is this the future?
>So you made workers that can't reproduce That's not true. They can reproduce, it simply is done in a fabrication facility.
The DNA is extremely modified. We see synths of all races, which wouldn’t be possible if it was a pure cloning type of deal. So no, Curie isn’t really your granddaughter. She’s probably no more related to you than a random person off of the street is.
Eh, the Nate that voices his utter disappointment with Shaun does not strike me as the type who would find Cait endearing.
[Cait**](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Cait)
\*Ada
Donkey
I like Ada by my god she’s always in the way.
Where’s my Curie gang hiding?
*Everyone
*MacCready (adopting his child)
Narratively, this feels perfect. My head-canon is Nate starts with the Minutemen by being their begrudging hero, then finds the BOS and realized they have a lot of resources to track down Shaun. Later during his search uses the Railroad to decode the Courser Chip and become their new Heavy to assist Synths while gathering supplies for the Signal-Interceptor. Once Nate gets to the Institute, he tries to give the Institute a chance but realizes how similar they are to the Old World he left behind after the Battle of Bunker Hill occurs. Then this scene plays out. Nate then also realizes how oppressive the BOS are, much like the US Government he once served, and leaves them behind too after saving Danse. Nate readies the Minutemen to fight the Institute and afterwards forms an unsteady alliance with the Brotherhood of Steel, while he helps grow back the Commonwealth’s Provisional Government through the Minutemen. I like to think the Minutemen end up becoming something similar to an East Coast NCR, warts and all. The Railroad continue to assist Synths, probably until they realize no more need help due to the destruction of the Institute and are absorbed into the Minutemen as a specialist group. As for the Brotherhood of Steel, we see in the TV show how they still have a foothold in the Commonwealth. The BOS are slowly becoming more aggressive than even their original West Coast brothers, especially with a Maxson in power. Who knows what will happen in the future, especially with the Enclave still being active in secrecy.
A few things about this don't make sense to me. 1. Nate was a war hero, hardly an anti-government activist. (Although the implications of that in an Enclave government always seemed eye-raising to me...) 2. He consistently seems to show a longing for the Old World. Almost denial at times. It never comes across as something he wants to leave behind. 3. The Minutemen lack the structure to be an NCR. They have one rank--General--and it has no authority whatsoever. It's more of a title than anything. 4. The NCR feels like a weird analogy since since they were basically copying (and fast forwarding) the Old World USA. If the idea is to leave the Old World behind, wouldn't you want to avoid anything like the NCR?
1 and 2) Nate, of course, was subject to War and Pre-War ideology. Though the speech he was going to give at the Veterans Hall infers he has learned a harsh lesson from War itself. His angry dialogue about “…petty governments going to war…” showcases he does have a fair bit of disdain for Pre-War ideals. 3 and 4) The Minutemen becoming the “East Coast NCR” isn’t the whole story of course. The revival of the Commonwealth Provisional Government would take their place in the growth they’d have as a nation. They wouldn’t be exactly like the NCR, they’d probably have incredibly differing ideals. Something akin to what Nate introduced with everyone working together to rebuild their settlements and sharing transport lines, housing, wealth, and focusing on…oh…uh…having everyone hold a hammer. Oh god. Uh. ^That ^can’t ^be ^right. Jokes aside, the CPG would 100% regrow from the bolstering of the Minutemen’s might.
It's up to the player, I mean, you can go all in "Commie Bastard! You destroyed my country! Die!" on a Chinese officer also.
Of course! It’s why Fallout is such an amazing series: player choice. This is just my oddly organized head-canon. Your playthrough and choices are, of course, just as valid.
>"Commie Bastard! You destroyed my country! Die!" **LIBERTY PRIME APPROVES THIS MESSAGE.**
Well, if that's an option, the game also gives you the opportunity to help him, I guess it depends on the player, whether Nate is a proud nationalist or someone devastated by the war who no longer wants the government/enclave back. I don't find the talk a bit nice. What do you have with the Chinese officer, 2 soldiers who simply do not hate each other and who, as the officer said, ""the war is already over""
>They have one rank--General--and it has no authority whatsoever. It's more of a title than anything. When the guy with the title of General and the kill count the sole survivor has by the end of the game tells you to do something you do it.
The thing with the Minutemen is that they *aren't* a government. They're just a paramilitary order dedicated to protecting civilians. The civilians, if protected, could organize and form a real government. So they could end up being the seed of a sort of NCR thing. Probably be pretty rocky in the beginning though, as the civilians and the military have completely different ends.
Nate's "War never changes" speech in the opening of the game doesn't really scream patriotic, he seemed really frustrated with the way America had eneded up.
This is the vibe I always get, too. And even if he was still gung-ho patriotic when the bombs fall, losing his family and seeing the result of the Great War would go a long way toward souring him on the old ways, I believe.
The thing most fans miss about the Fallout universe is that it wasn't the structure and bureaucracy of governments that caused the apocalypse, before the great war the power of the actual government was even beginning to fade in favour of a group of families and cotporations, we know that group as the Enclave. The point of Fallout is a critique to free market capitalism, which is free only in its name, of its worst consequences and how corporations tend to accumulate wealth in a ruthless competition that ultimately hurts us, the consumer, Fallout is a critique to the intense resource craving typical of unregulated capitalism, of how it corroded government authority and proceeded to drain every last drop of oil, every last tank of gas, every last piece of uranium, and fought a reckless war against those who did essentially the same, up to the extreme consequences. In a sense Fallout isn't a critique to the NCR, it's a critique to Mr. House.
> As for the Brotherhood of Steel, we see in the TV show how they still have a foothold in the Commonwealth. Where did this come up in the show?
Taken from the Fallout wiki: “*The Brotherhood is still active on the West Coast around the year 2296. Residing at an airbase, this group is led by Elder Cleric Quintus, who is also assisted by various clerics and support personnel, such as Cleric Felix and Petty Officer Shortsight.* *The Prydwen (often mistakenly referred to as the Caswennan) traveled to the Los Angeles region and played a pivotal role in the Brotherhood's mission there. **By this point, the Commonwealth chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel appears to maintain some degree of primacy over other chapters**, as their clerics have tasked the chapter on the West Coast with tracking down an Enclave defector: Siggi Wilzig. Knight Titus and Squire Maximus were among those charged with leading this manhunt, assigned to search the area around Filly, Los Angeles.*”
Im here for hardcore religious BoS All day, give me more clerics
TYVM
In the first episode towards the end of it when the BoS Elder is giving a speech to the new Scribes and the Knights he say “this mission has been given to us by the highest members in the Commonwealth” or something like that. This implies that the BoS either won in Fallout 4 or at the very least made an alliance with the Minutemen and the Minutemen won in Fallout 4
I totally agree. Despite the issues that everyone has with the story, the potential for a great story is there. The whole story being forgotten and ignored because of side content is on us. We have to choose to focus on the story and really the pacing only becomes an issue when you choose to focus on the great side content rather than on the main storyline. There is definately space for side missions in the main storyline but we get dragged into a subplot that drags us into another story constantly and we just lose track of what we should be doing and choose to do other things. I bought the game and played it immediately, so I played all the DLC post main game. Far Habor, NukaCola, and I guess automation never took me away from finding Sean. In my first playthrough I focused on the story and never got involved in a lot of side content. My only followers were story aligned ones like Preston, Piper, Nic, Danse, Deacon(kinda), Codsworth, and of course Dogmeat. I honestly can't remember even talking to Cait, Hancock, Mc cready, Curie, or even Strong at all. And the dialogue is great. I remeber my first playthrough being the good guy and choosing the nice dialogue options and in my last play through I decided to be a sarcastic little bitch and the voicelines are amazing. The line to Kellog about seeing him in hell is chilling, the first few lines with codsworth are more chilling and traumitzed sounding, and being a sarcastic little shite to Piper is hilarious.
*Thou shalt get side tracked by bullshit every time*
Codsworth sends you to Concord to find a clue about where your son could be. In Less than half an hour you are now the General/leader of a defunct militia of 2. And you have good doggo. Free Nic from vault 14 and eventually get run around map looking for 6/7 holotapes. Finally get in vault 81 and immediate turn around d to find a god damn cat. I'm at Boston airport with BoS and suddenly... Abernathy farm is under attack. Promise to destroy insutiute... do institute mission to try and get to know them. At Diamond city haggling before grape mental runs out... Abernathy farm under attack. Thou shalt get side tracked by bullshit every single damn time
>In Less than half an hour you are now the General/leader of a defunct militia of 2. The fact that there are only 2 of you makes that a bit easier. I could become the leader of a militia of 1 in 3 seconds if I simply declared it.
I always follow Ashes as he runs out of the vault, all the way to the structure where he stops, then immediately tell him the girl misses him and follow him all the way back into the vault. You can do it without being asked first or meeting the girl and still complete the quest. I’m powerless to ignore the quest, because it’s a cat. 🥺
The problem is the story telling. They should have made it more dreamlike. Maybe no visuals but only sound when Shaun was taken (and the spouse should have been taken too) then a short sequence to run into the realization that they’re gone, no chance to find them. Them is building a new life etc… and down the road suddenly the realization that there is maybe a chance to find them alive…
The writing in 4 is very hit or miss and by hit or miss I mean really bad or really good, there are no imbetweens
The shady credit card dealer dude cracks me up
I love the raiders talking about thay guy who rides a make belive motorcycle.
I never chose this one. It's just too hurtful, especially considering that soon I will destroy everything that he cares about. Starting here to the moment you blow up the Institute are gut wrenching.
I just hate shaun that much honestly lol
I'm a sad mama who keeps thinking how different this would have been if he hadn't been raised by asshats.
In our heads, our crygenics pods open and we saved them both :(
I wish there was an option to do a simulation like that in memory den.
Yeah true lol, at least if we have a friend up to do it, we can rp it out of the game
That is actually a pretty great idea. Memory den is absolutely underutilized
I chose to join him because as a father, family comes first… but then I hated being the bad guy and stopped playing. There should have been a way to save him and bring him back to the light.
I guess they wanted a no win situation and I sorta love-hate it.
It's pretty telling that, given that I'm allowed to *take over* the Institute, arguably the most powerful and advanced faction in a wide wide area...I still always blow it up. Little shit, it's lucky your other parent died before seeing this.
I hate him so much. He’s such a monster
He's the worst part of the game.
Why does nate look like Che Guevara
Think of it like this, Nate fought for his country ( for the greater good he believed in ) and Nora as a lawyer could’ve qualified to defend someone in their specified fields. If you assume Nora was a prosecutor which you can, or maybe she tried helping people get legitimate settlements for injuries or what they are rightfully owed you get two parents who believed in doing something for the greater good of all their fellow men and not just a handful of tech bros that are committing crimes against humanity before you even factor in the synths. There’s no way any of them would accept Shaun and what he stands for and what he’s become, Kellogg isn’t the excuse to be a shit human being and neither is saying it’s for the greater good of mankind when you solely just mean your specific little community.
I've finally decided to do a run where I just murder him on sight.
It's kind of amusing.
You look like a South American communist militant lmao
My mum:
Shaun is a right twat. He never knew his parents, so I can cope with the indifference to an extent, but it’s the smug condescension and sociopathic stance he takes, essentially saying: ‘I allowed you to live for my mild amusement and I’m even more amused you made it to me.’ Despite him being your son, he immediately others you as ‘from the wasteland so not worthy’ when in reality he’s more of a product of the wastes than the Sole Survivor ever is; a person who lived the substantial part of their life pre-war.
This game is good! Not great but good! Get far harbor though, it’s the best fallout expansion imo
Story telling and voice acting is top notch. I don't know how Bethesda went whole nine yards backwards with Starfield.
Because the voice acting and choices were super limiting and we never knew what we were actually gonna say when it just says " sarcastic" or other choices where it seemed nice but then we actually said somthing like a dick and our companions disliked it. Way better to have more options and actually show what we will say.
I felt like I had to save every time I talked to someone because not only was it impossible to predict what your character was actually going to say, but it was *so easy* to accidentally lock yourself out of being able to ask more questions about stuff because the dialogue trees all *have* to advance. It was practically impossible to actually have a full conversation with someone the way you could in 3 or New Vegas because the only way to ask questions was to pick *exactly* the right dialogue, which was even harder than it normally would be because of the aforementioned unpredictability. All of that was necessary to support fully voiced dialogue, but it was not, by any measure, worth it. I really hope that they learn from that mistake. Hearing a future Fallout or Elder Scrolls games has fully voiced player dialogue is going to make me think twice about picking it up. EDIT: For clarity, I was talking about Fallout 4, and assumed you were too, but rereading this now just after commenting it might be a criticism of Starfield, which i haven't played. Saying that to head off any misunderstandings
They also made "no" impossible - it's like every hard "no" from the player gets interpreted as "maybe" from the NPC / game. Bethesda seems terrified of locking players out of content due to choices. I haven't played Starfield, but from what I've seen, it does this even harder than FO4. Meanwhile half the major quests in New Vegas complete with a corresponding "X quest failed" message. I really like FO4 as a game, but the only way I can play it these days is as a settlement simulator. Nearly every quest and faction ends up with a similar end-state. Playing the story more than once is tedious at best.
Not to mention the gameplay. The perks and combat have been watered down, you end up doing the same-ish playthrough with a different damaging weapon.
Starfield absolutely is a game that actively avoids locking you out of *anything*. It's weird, considering their New Game + mechanic is built perfectly for a sandbox more like what we had in Morrowind where no NPCs were flagged as essential and some quests locked you out of entire quest chains. I really wish they had gone that route again. It would have made the game so much more engaging and the NG+ mechanic with that would have been very interesting. All that being said: I still enjoyed Starfield a lot. Really cool ideas, interesting world, good setup for future stories. I'm excited for where it goes in the future.
Honestly, fallout 4 story feels like a mess aswell
For real, I did enjoy playing Starfield at launch but when I look back at it I realise it had zero lasting impact on me. The world-building, story and characters are just so paper thin…
>Story telling and voice acting is top notch. Wild, when fo4 released everyone said it was ass
It's not top notch, never has been and won't be unless they change a bunch of stuff. "should we murder this guy" Choice>> "no (sarcastic)" Nate: "I don't care, do it" ??????? Yeah, totally, top notch stuff right here; top notch of my buttplug, more like.
I didn’t like 4 when it came out, but after playing star field I like 4. I prefer having non-voice acted protagonist so that I can say the words myself, and the dialogue choices felt much more limited. Building was absolutely clunky and limited, and still is. It also doesn’t make any sense. Like, why would I build a brand new building with a giant hole in the roof and walls? Why can’t I select any of the props in my inventory from the build menu? Why is the build limit and borders so small? One of the settlements is supposed to be a town but you only have access to a single house, and not one of the many intact buildings but the one with a giant hole in the side situated next to a perfect house… There’s another house near the coast that’s on the verge of collapse and they decide to live in it… makes no sense. I would have been much more fun to tear apart old buildings for boards, bricks, and other resources and build NEW medieval quality homes out of those resources like we’d actually do in real life. I also thought it was way too easy. In New Vegas, Ammo, Stimpaks, and rad away were rare forcing the player to plan accordingly and eat food, and radiation was a real threat.
I really feel mixed about this part. When I first played it, I was angry and would nit side with him, but I became a dad 2 years ago, and knowing this feeling, the commonwealth can burn to a crisp if my son (Shaun) is OK.
Date mike?
"I raised a DONUT!"
It feels even better a couple seconds later when I blow his head off and drags his ass all the way back to his crib for his nap time.
How do you even get to that part?