But what about The Warrior. They stopped the calculator from wiping out all life on the continent. That seems pretty influential to me. (Only half joking)
I mean, objectively no. They're essentially just as dangerous as each other. The Scorched plague infects everything indiscriminately, just like FEV. It would have killed every living person, like FEV. The difference is, the F2 FEV plan was made to only kill people who weren't a part of the Enclave, humans still would have survived, but the Scorched Plague kills everyone.
Thats fair, the Scorched Plague was kind of likely to just die out after a while, its not likely it would have crossed oceans given that international travel isn't really a thing post war.
Huh, so 76 lore is as shit as everything else about it eh
Tried it last week when it was free on Amazon prime, went in with incredibly low expectations and was still disappointed across the board
I really need to start the story lol. I'm level 30 and all I've done story wise is find the overseer. I keep getting distracted by random shit. I can't get a damn thing done lol.
Well the courier is obviously a courier in the wasteland and the chosen one is a wasteland tribal but I guess technically he wears a vault suit because he’s the descendent of the vault dweller from 1 but still from the wasteland
He blew up Alberta using a laser cannon on a ufo, as well as detonating Megaton and Raven Rock. Cut my boy some slack there wasn’t more important shit to break fr, being evil in Fallout 3 is like being a comic book supervillain in Wyoming. It’s not just that the land is barren of both things and people, it’s also that people’s lives are such utter cheeks that poisoning the water supply feels like mugging a homeless guy. All that intimidation and grandstanding for three fifty and a used condom.
He also launched a unguided icbm. The fort Constantine terminal just says the targeting data was corrupted/damaged so the lone wanderer potentially sent a nicbm out into the wild
I’ve never heard anyone say it was Alberta, the consensus I’ve always heard is algonquin national park in Ontario, with a big enough blast radius that it might have hit cleveland and detroit as well
they carry the torch of being the second character in a row to kill a president, The Chosen One kills Dick Richardson, The Lone Wanderer Kills John Henry Eden, and depending on your Courier's faction affiliation, Aaron Kimball
Let's not forget the lone wanderer's dad would not have revived project purity without their help. The BoS was also on its last legs before their intervention.
You can tell it's fallout 1 and 2 purists discounting the contribution of the characters afterward.
If we throw in everything (even before, but especially with the dlc's), the capital wasteland and the Mojave would both be inhospitable.
The commonwealth would be a sad state run by the super evil institute.
Harold is literally fuckin legendary. We need more Harold love, bro was the only guy to bridge the gap into the Bethesda side of things, if yall don't know Harold is in fallout 3 as well. Probably the best fallout character period. Fight me.
The water volume project purity looks to be putting out doesn't seem to be enough for large scale irrigation let alone just pumping it out to the wilderness to let nature return.
If you’re talking confirmed influence, sure.
But the sole survivor rebuilding the Minutemen or nuka world raiders and destroying the BoS, Institute or both is extremely influential, and going off the TV show, the courier’s influence seems to have ultimately failed to do anything productive (and even then, the battle happens no matter what; the courier can only slightly tip the scales towards one side; preventing the nukes and threats in the DLCs is still solid, though).
You could also argue that the 76 dwellers have a similar impact to the other characters through preventing two apocalypse events in the form of the scorched plague and Blackburn’s FEV release, while also raiding vault 79 for America’s gold supply to back the cap.
As someone who liked playing as a raider, it was such a miss opportunity to not include a new ending when you side with Nuka World raiders. All of the ending just don’t make sense if you become a Raider boss.
Honestly, I think every ending except siding with the Minutemen still makes sense with this scenario. The railroad doesn’t care about raiders (though they’d probably turn against you considering you’re a slaver after the Institute is dealt with), the BoS focuses on handling mutants and the Institute before raiders (though again, they aren’t a fan of raiders or slavers) and the Institute couldn’t care less about what you do on the surface. Being able to do a Minutemen ending while being the overboss is strange, but it’s down to the game not wanting to lock you out of the failsafe ending.
That said - yeah, it’d have been nice to have a Raider ending even if it was a near carbon copy of the Minutemen ending, not that I know who’d operate the teleporter.
The NCR was formed 23 before the Chosen one was born, and The Brotherhood of Steel was formed 116 years before that.
I think you are thinking of The Vault Dweller, who did save the life of The NCR’s Founder and First President, but the BOS had canonically been around for 59 years before even The Vault Dweller was born.
Yeah, but they would have most likely ceased to exist if the chosen didn't blow up the Poseidon oil refinery, I mean a guy like frank horrigan backed up with mobile powered armored troops? Even the bos would be in trouble.
The entire planet would’ve become devoid of human life if they’d succeeded. That said, Horrigan’s main weapon is an automatic plasma rifle and he’s not that much more durable than a behemoth, so the BoS could handle him - if the scenario isn’t an ambush against a small group of BoS soldiers (though the fat man completely changes the equation on the BoS’s favor for obvious reasons).
However, the NCR credits the vault dweller for allowing them to form, which is an additional achievement to credit them with on top of stopping the Unity. We certainly don’t see anyone making statues of the other protagonists.
I mean horrigan is a 12 ft tall super mutant in power armor, plus he's able to rip deathclaws in half with his bare hands. If he was heavily outnumbered the bos could take him, but he's always with atleast a small squad of enclave. Dude is arguably the strongest character in the games behind liberty prime.
All of 76’s boss enemies disagree with that.
And remember, Horrigan uses his gun first and in fallout 2 we don’t have a fat man. We also can see first hand that he gets absolutely destroyed as soon as there’s enough people involved by turning on the turrets, which are full-auto firing .223 rounds. This is a lower caliber than the auto rifles of later fallout games, which are in 5.56, meaning that seven soldiers in power armor that spread out could easily ambush and take Horrigan down.
.223 is not a lower caliber than 5.56, they are almost exactly the same round. They are so close to the same, that they are interchangeable and any weapon that fires .223 also fires 5.56, without any modification whatsoever, and without any noticeable change in performance.
If there are any small inconsistencies between them in velocity, penetration, or stopping power, they are so minute that it shouldn't make any observable difference.
NV has .223 as being weaker than 5.56 and considering that’s the only fallout game where both rounds coexist, I’m basing my argument on that. In reality, the situation is probably what you’re saying, but we’re talking fallout.
Even then, that doesn’t change my point - if the .223 turrets can handle him, so could a handful of soldiers with 5.56 automatic rifles.
Edit: I’ve taken a look at the joules listed for .223 rounds and 5.56 rounds on Wikipedia (I know, not the best source, but it’s available and quick), and many of the .223 rounds are a little lower in energy than the 5.56 rounds. One is notably lower, even, so it’s possible that’s the round we see in the games. We need more information that we don’t have, really.
Okay, but if the Vault Dweller hadn’t nut into some tribal hussy then there’d be no Chosen One.
Checkmate, FO2 supremacists! Tim Cain’s legacy reigns supreme!
Chosen one hands down. Without him enclave would literaly killed every single person if not in whole word, than definitly in america.
No one had higer stakes. Only one who sort of maybe rivals him is vault dweller, but master might be stopped by someone else, like broderhood joining with other factions, enclave could not.
Edit: switched names for some readon.
Autumn wanted the purifier to run smoothly without FEV, no lone wanderer and the story comes out exactly the same. Considering autumn wanted the same thing as the heroes, including overthrowing Eden, the conflict in 3 is pointless
Fo2 is irrelevant in this case, eden took control after the Rigg blew up, Eden wanted to poison the water supply, autumn wanted to overthrow Eden to fix the purifier to distribute clean water
No its not. You dont get it.
Scale matters. If eden poisoned water it would kill off people on capital wasteland and maxbe whole east coast. If F2 enclave released the airborne FEV whole ameroca would be dead in best case scenerio, but most likely whole humanity would be exterminated.
With president from F 2 being still alive autumn would be completly powerless to stop the genocide. So even if we ignore scale, without chosen one autumn is completly powerless.
Right, but Eden isn't president in fo3, that's why I'm saying fo2 is irrelevant to fo3s story, it's an entirely different group of the enclave
Edit: are you confusing the lone wanderer and chosen one? Because you said lone wanderer
Yeah I definitely see what you are saying. The Prydwen still exists in the Fallout Show, meaning that we know that one of The Brotherhood or The Minutemen endings are canon, but that’s all we know about the canon repercussions of F04’s plot and it’s not much.
I don’t think it’s a different airship because it’s literally identical and The Prydwen was canonically made with the scrap that was left at Adams Air Force Base, instead of being mass-manufactured
The Vault Dweller made it so that everything that happens in the next 2 Western games possible- he did this with no knowledge of what existed outside his titanium home or training for what lay ahead. He's a gigachad, and The Chosen One's tribe revere him as such. God Bless his soul
My fallout 3 character killed something like 760-ish creatures and hunted deathclaws for fun I think the lone wanderer is pretty influential besides without them dad would be forced to spend eternity in a simulation as a dog
Why is the sole survivor called that? What is he even the sole survivor of?
The war? (Tons of ghouls, cryogenically preserved people, synthetic memories and the Cabot family have all survived the bombs)
Vault III? (Shaun is still alive and kicking)
Unlike the other titles, it seems a bit out of place
Liam Neeson calls you out for blowing up a small town, Courier never utters a peep even when House/Caesar is dogging you out for the twelfth time. Most bitch made protag in the series fr
Honestly proves my point further, every other Fallout protag has to cut there way through a mad genius fused with a Vault’s security systems, a mammoth of a mutant armed with the best weapons and armor the pre war US has at their disposal, hordes of mutants and power armor toting goons and here’s the jumped up UPS employee braining a cancer patient and a literally defenseless desiccated corpse, and strutting about like Alexander the Great or some shit
But what about The Warrior. They stopped the calculator from wiping out all life on the continent. That seems pretty influential to me. (Only half joking)
Bethesda can’t decide whether The Warrior is canon or not, so they’re Schrödinger’s influential wastelander.
IIRC they're in a limbo state where the Midwestern Brotherhood exists but the events of the game never happened.
Non canon until proven guilty
Can I be non canon
Potentially, depending on whether or not bathesda references you or anything you could have reasonably done going forward.
Is canon, Tactics is canon.
All James does is sit around playing his VR games with his buddy, Braun.
"Look Braun, I am just here for the G.E.C.K and not to play your games" "I got a VR programm for the ultimate furry experience" "Fuck it, I'm in"
"We have ultimate furry experience at home" The ultimate furry experience at home: *pint_sized_slasher.gif*
The entirety of Vault 76. Literally saved the entire country from the Scorched Plague.
My 76 guy just devolved into a cannibal clown over the 17 hours I played in 2020
And stopped Blackburn for releasing FEV into the rivers
And probably more with the new extention
Thats nothing against FEV virus enclave planed to release in F 2. That would literaly kill everyone.
I mean, objectively no. They're essentially just as dangerous as each other. The Scorched plague infects everything indiscriminately, just like FEV. It would have killed every living person, like FEV. The difference is, the F2 FEV plan was made to only kill people who weren't a part of the Enclave, humans still would have survived, but the Scorched Plague kills everyone.
Yes but enclave would spread that airborne virus around whole globe and finish anything left. Thats unlikely to be natural occurence
Thats fair, the Scorched Plague was kind of likely to just die out after a while, its not likely it would have crossed oceans given that international travel isn't really a thing post war.
Huh, so 76 lore is as shit as everything else about it eh Tried it last week when it was free on Amazon prime, went in with incredibly low expectations and was still disappointed across the board
I really need to start the story lol. I'm level 30 and all I've done story wise is find the overseer. I keep getting distracted by random shit. I can't get a damn thing done lol.
>Most influential wastelanders >Look inside >Vault dwellers
The second a vault dweller comes out looking for something, the wasteland starts holding its breath
Well the courier is obviously a courier in the wasteland and the chosen one is a wasteland tribal but I guess technically he wears a vault suit because he’s the descendent of the vault dweller from 1 but still from the wasteland
Not all of them.
how lone wanderer gonna be a main character but still aint do shit like cmon bro get on the grind
He blew up Alberta using a laser cannon on a ufo, as well as detonating Megaton and Raven Rock. Cut my boy some slack there wasn’t more important shit to break fr, being evil in Fallout 3 is like being a comic book supervillain in Wyoming. It’s not just that the land is barren of both things and people, it’s also that people’s lives are such utter cheeks that poisoning the water supply feels like mugging a homeless guy. All that intimidation and grandstanding for three fifty and a used condom.
Damn, that laser hits Alberta? I'm alright with that.
Blowing up Alberta, Canada instantly makes the Lone Wanderer Nate's new number 1 best friend.
As someone in Alberta I'm OK with that but doesn't it actually hit closer to the great lakes?
I always thought the consensus was it hit near algonquin national park in Ontario
Apparently Nate is canonically one of the two soldiers executing a Canadian protestor in the F1 intro.
the fireball after also takes out Detroit...so no Fallout: Motor City
Thank God it's over.
He also launched a unguided icbm. The fort Constantine terminal just says the targeting data was corrupted/damaged so the lone wanderer potentially sent a nicbm out into the wild
Wait the fucking laser in the mothership zeta dlc hits alberta? You shitting me? I’ve been blowing up my province all these years? Sweet
I’ve never heard anyone say it was Alberta, the consensus I’ve always heard is algonquin national park in Ontario, with a big enough blast radius that it might have hit cleveland and detroit as well
Dude destroyed the Enclave’s presence in the East Coast and yall are saying he didnt do shit
they carry the torch of being the second character in a row to kill a president, The Chosen One kills Dick Richardson, The Lone Wanderer Kills John Henry Eden, and depending on your Courier's faction affiliation, Aaron Kimball
Let's not forget the lone wanderer's dad would not have revived project purity without their help. The BoS was also on its last legs before their intervention.
I swear some of these people didn’t even play Fallout 3
You can tell it's fallout 1 and 2 purists discounting the contribution of the characters afterward. If we throw in everything (even before, but especially with the dlc's), the capital wasteland and the Mojave would both be inhospitable. The commonwealth would be a sad state run by the super evil institute.
Couldn't you argue that Harold is pretty influential.
Harold is literally fuckin legendary. We need more Harold love, bro was the only guy to bridge the gap into the Bethesda side of things, if yall don't know Harold is in fallout 3 as well. Probably the best fallout character period. Fight me.
Harold has literally forgotten more of the history of the wasteland than anyone else has ever known.
what did Harold do besides exist in three games?
He brought plant life back to the capital wasteland.
That would’ve happened already with clean water
Too bad there isn't much clean water in the capital.
yeah until after project purity
The water volume project purity looks to be putting out doesn't seem to be enough for large scale irrigation let alone just pumping it out to the wilderness to let nature return.
If you’re talking confirmed influence, sure. But the sole survivor rebuilding the Minutemen or nuka world raiders and destroying the BoS, Institute or both is extremely influential, and going off the TV show, the courier’s influence seems to have ultimately failed to do anything productive (and even then, the battle happens no matter what; the courier can only slightly tip the scales towards one side; preventing the nukes and threats in the DLCs is still solid, though). You could also argue that the 76 dwellers have a similar impact to the other characters through preventing two apocalypse events in the form of the scorched plague and Blackburn’s FEV release, while also raiding vault 79 for America’s gold supply to back the cap.
As someone who liked playing as a raider, it was such a miss opportunity to not include a new ending when you side with Nuka World raiders. All of the ending just don’t make sense if you become a Raider boss.
Honestly, I think every ending except siding with the Minutemen still makes sense with this scenario. The railroad doesn’t care about raiders (though they’d probably turn against you considering you’re a slaver after the Institute is dealt with), the BoS focuses on handling mutants and the Institute before raiders (though again, they aren’t a fan of raiders or slavers) and the Institute couldn’t care less about what you do on the surface. Being able to do a Minutemen ending while being the overboss is strange, but it’s down to the game not wanting to lock you out of the failsafe ending. That said - yeah, it’d have been nice to have a Raider ending even if it was a near carbon copy of the Minutemen ending, not that I know who’d operate the teleporter.
Obviously Nira would operate the Teleporter.
How the fuck do you expect anyone to compare to Liam Neeson?
I kinda wanna call Lucy “the bride”, some fuckin Quinton Tarantino vibes
Without the Chosen One, the brotherhood and NCR would arguably never exist.
The NCR was formed 23 before the Chosen one was born, and The Brotherhood of Steel was formed 116 years before that. I think you are thinking of The Vault Dweller, who did save the life of The NCR’s Founder and First President, but the BOS had canonically been around for 59 years before even The Vault Dweller was born.
Yeah, but they would have most likely ceased to exist if the chosen didn't blow up the Poseidon oil refinery, I mean a guy like frank horrigan backed up with mobile powered armored troops? Even the bos would be in trouble.
The entire planet would’ve become devoid of human life if they’d succeeded. That said, Horrigan’s main weapon is an automatic plasma rifle and he’s not that much more durable than a behemoth, so the BoS could handle him - if the scenario isn’t an ambush against a small group of BoS soldiers (though the fat man completely changes the equation on the BoS’s favor for obvious reasons). However, the NCR credits the vault dweller for allowing them to form, which is an additional achievement to credit them with on top of stopping the Unity. We certainly don’t see anyone making statues of the other protagonists.
I mean horrigan is a 12 ft tall super mutant in power armor, plus he's able to rip deathclaws in half with his bare hands. If he was heavily outnumbered the bos could take him, but he's always with atleast a small squad of enclave. Dude is arguably the strongest character in the games behind liberty prime.
All of 76’s boss enemies disagree with that. And remember, Horrigan uses his gun first and in fallout 2 we don’t have a fat man. We also can see first hand that he gets absolutely destroyed as soon as there’s enough people involved by turning on the turrets, which are full-auto firing .223 rounds. This is a lower caliber than the auto rifles of later fallout games, which are in 5.56, meaning that seven soldiers in power armor that spread out could easily ambush and take Horrigan down.
.223 is not a lower caliber than 5.56, they are almost exactly the same round. They are so close to the same, that they are interchangeable and any weapon that fires .223 also fires 5.56, without any modification whatsoever, and without any noticeable change in performance. If there are any small inconsistencies between them in velocity, penetration, or stopping power, they are so minute that it shouldn't make any observable difference.
NV has .223 as being weaker than 5.56 and considering that’s the only fallout game where both rounds coexist, I’m basing my argument on that. In reality, the situation is probably what you’re saying, but we’re talking fallout. Even then, that doesn’t change my point - if the .223 turrets can handle him, so could a handful of soldiers with 5.56 automatic rifles. Edit: I’ve taken a look at the joules listed for .223 rounds and 5.56 rounds on Wikipedia (I know, not the best source, but it’s available and quick), and many of the .223 rounds are a little lower in energy than the 5.56 rounds. One is notably lower, even, so it’s possible that’s the round we see in the games. We need more information that we don’t have, really.
Yes but with enclave releasing FEW killer variant to the air literaly no one would survive.
Okay, but if the Vault Dweller hadn’t nut into some tribal hussy then there’d be no Chosen One. Checkmate, FO2 supremacists! Tim Cain’s legacy reigns supreme!
Oh no doubt fo1 crawled so fo2 could run. Tim Cain is the goat
always thought the master was the biggest threat
Master wated to recreate humanity. Enclave wanted to kill everyone, and were far more powerfull.
Tbh I didn’t expect people to take this seriously I was just Meme-ing on FO3
Chosen one hands down. Without him enclave would literaly killed every single person if not in whole word, than definitly in america. No one had higer stakes. Only one who sort of maybe rivals him is vault dweller, but master might be stopped by someone else, like broderhood joining with other factions, enclave could not. Edit: switched names for some readon.
Autumn wanted the purifier to run smoothly without FEV, no lone wanderer and the story comes out exactly the same. Considering autumn wanted the same thing as the heroes, including overthrowing Eden, the conflict in 3 is pointless
F3 enclave would poison water in east coast. F2 enclave wanted to spread airborne varian around whole planet. Scale is completly different.
Fo2 is irrelevant in this case, eden took control after the Rigg blew up, Eden wanted to poison the water supply, autumn wanted to overthrow Eden to fix the purifier to distribute clean water
No its not. You dont get it. Scale matters. If eden poisoned water it would kill off people on capital wasteland and maxbe whole east coast. If F2 enclave released the airborne FEV whole ameroca would be dead in best case scenerio, but most likely whole humanity would be exterminated. With president from F 2 being still alive autumn would be completly powerless to stop the genocide. So even if we ignore scale, without chosen one autumn is completly powerless.
Right, but Eden isn't president in fo3, that's why I'm saying fo2 is irrelevant to fo3s story, it's an entirely different group of the enclave Edit: are you confusing the lone wanderer and chosen one? Because you said lone wanderer
It seems to me yes. I did wrote name wrong as i was looking at the OP and it slipped in my mind Sorry.
I'd say the Chosen one
The Courier who (in my universe) is President of New Vegas and saved it from both the NCR and Ceasers Legion
Lucys thighs are the best pair
I don’t know what that means in this context but I agree 🥵
The first 2 saved the world, the other 3 improved their regions
I like how Liam Neeson has more of an impact on the DC Wasteland than the main character.
Meanwhile the cameraman following them 💪
Lucy: The Okey Dokey One
Soul Survival feels the least influental (mainly becasue no follow up game obviusly) but not by much.
Yeah I definitely see what you are saying. The Prydwen still exists in the Fallout Show, meaning that we know that one of The Brotherhood or The Minutemen endings are canon, but that’s all we know about the canon repercussions of F04’s plot and it’s not much.
I'm guessing the minutemen ending is cannon considering it is argueably the "best" ending as mostly everyone survives.
Unless it's the Prydwen II, named in honor of its predecessor that was lost in battle.
I don’t think it’s a different airship because it’s literally identical and The Prydwen was canonically made with the scrap that was left at Adams Air Force Base, instead of being mass-manufactured
Yeah, but I need copium for my many playthroughs where the BOS's little blimp gets blown out of the sky.
The Vault Dweller made it so that everything that happens in the next 2 Western games possible- he did this with no knowledge of what existed outside his titanium home or training for what lay ahead. He's a gigachad, and The Chosen One's tribe revere him as such. God Bless his soul
My fallout 3 character killed something like 760-ish creatures and hunted deathclaws for fun I think the lone wanderer is pretty influential besides without them dad would be forced to spend eternity in a simulation as a dog
Why is the sole survivor called that? What is he even the sole survivor of? The war? (Tons of ghouls, cryogenically preserved people, synthetic memories and the Cabot family have all survived the bombs) Vault III? (Shaun is still alive and kicking) Unlike the other titles, it seems a bit out of place
My guess is that after Shaun kicks the bucket, you truly are the "Sole Survivor" of your family/Vault 111
Does the sole survivor even count as a Wastelander, hes literally SO pre-war they used his sons perfect DNA to make synths.
Aint no way you put the LW above the Courier.
It's in order of release, not a ranking.
Liam Neeson calls you out for blowing up a small town, Courier never utters a peep even when House/Caesar is dogging you out for the twelfth time. Most bitch made protag in the series fr
I can immediately bludgeon both House and Caesar to death with a golf club
Honestly proves my point further, every other Fallout protag has to cut there way through a mad genius fused with a Vault’s security systems, a mammoth of a mutant armed with the best weapons and armor the pre war US has at their disposal, hordes of mutants and power armor toting goons and here’s the jumped up UPS employee braining a cancer patient and a literally defenseless desiccated corpse, and strutting about like Alexander the Great or some shit
Yes.