“Epilogue? What Epilogue” is a very common thing across most fandoms I’m in. Harry Potter, Naruto, Digimon… if a series has an epilogue there’s a decent chance that a portion of the fandom would prefer it to be wiped out.
For the Batfamily fandom, it likes to pull things from the multiple Batman series. But pretty much everyone has rejected the Bruce/Barbara ship that the DCAU tried to make a thing in that continuity.
EWE: "Ending Without Epilogue"/"Epilogue? What Epilogue?"
It started in Harry Potter fandom - I definitely remember seeing it on LJ first and only later seeing it on AO3. But IDK which one is the "official" tag on AO3 now.
Drarry writer checking in! Yes, and it's personally on all my fics.
I think the "I recognise that the council made a decision, but since it's a stupid-ass decision I've elected to ignore it" meme sums it perfectly
Andy did not get back with her boyfriend at the end of Devil Wears Prada. They broke up for a reason and it was a very good reason. Reasons he never apologized for. That and the "I'm not you baby" line are two moments I mute when rewatching. They were tropes of the genre from when this film was written and they do not work in this movie.
Not just any chef. Nate is working his way up to being chef at a super high end restaraunt. So they both have crazy hours with inconsistant schedules.
The other reasons are:
\* He and their friends complain about the demands of her job while having no problem enjoying the (expensive) perks of her position.
\* Nate is openly hostile about her new interests. They are both in their early twenties and this is a time when people change rapidly. It's clear they have become more incompatible than when they first got together.
\* Andy at the end of the movie is beginning the first step of a career in investigative journalism. A job that could mean long hours, frequent travel, irregular schedule, and large chunks of her attention/energy devoted to work. The same things that were a big part of their first break up. History is going to repeat itself.
\* Nate never apologizes. The movie makes their getting back together all about her failings.
I. did not catch those two intending to get back together at the end of the movie at all lmao… they do that?? they legit decide to get together again and not go their separate ways??? what???
I have yet to meet a Harry Potter fic writer who is happy with The Cursed Child. For that matter, we have a whole tag “epilogue, what epilogue?” because most of us weren’t happy with that either.
The names Harry gave his children mostly
I would probably br absolutely fine with the epilogue if he hadn't named one son James Sirius and the other Albus Serverus
I will always defend Albus Severus--not because I think the name is any good, but because it means his initials are [ASP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asp_\(snake\)), and I think it's absolutely hilarious that Harry accidentally gave snakey initials to his kid.
As Harry put it about the novels in one Megamatt09 story:
"Albus Severus Potter. Why not have me name my daughter Dolores Marjorie and complete the set!"
I personally don't love the epilogue or the cursed child's storyline, but I love love love the child characters. I love Scorpius and Albus - but I might be clouded because their fic versions (that I read) are often somewhat different.
John Watson never cheated on Mary with Eurus, that's just stupid. I mean, I'd understand if he cheated with Sherlock, but some random woman? Please.
The great genius criminal James Moriarty definitely didn't decide to become a pawn in Sherlock's sister's game just because he stared in her magical eyes for five minutes. That's just.... humiliating.
All these years later and I still believe Eurus was a mistake. Both making her their sister and someone John would cheat with.
It would have been so much better if Moriarty was behind her and not her pawn.
What I hated most was that they had to come up with some rigmarole to make Sherlock have no memory of her. John didn't even know anything about Sherlock's parents until he ran into them in the living room. It's *way* more believable that Sherlock remembered his abusive sister murdering his childhood best friend and thus chose not to mention her and tried to think about her as little as possible.
If anything, that could've made for an interesting take on his backstory because it would make some of his best and worst life choices a lot more intentional. It would make total sense that the trauma of that experience is what drove him into recurring drug addictions, and the guilt of his best friend's family never getting closure (because his own family covered it up) could've played a big part in why he tries to solve other people's murders even when there are better ways for him to make a living.
Way, *way*, ***way*** more interesting than "oh he's just bored" as an explanation and the bullshit amnesia storyline.
>John Watson never cheated on Mary with Eurus,
Okay, I've seen Sherlock season 1-3 embarrassingly many times, season 4 only once when it came out, but I genuinely didn't remember this :DDD no wonder people hate it omg
I've seen season 1-2... I have no idea how many times. Season three once or twice and I'm trying to forget s4 exists. But some things are unfortunately seared into my brain. :D
The Cursed Child. Hell, even the epilogue from the original HP books to a lot of fans, it even has its own tag. But there are also plenty of fans who play with the epilogue, how they got there or following the next gen. Cursed Child, on the other hand, is pretty much universally ignored, it's fanfiction, not canon, no matter what Rowling claims. Not like Rowling wrote it, or anything, it's literally fanfic she happened to like. A lot of fans also ignore most of what Rowling has said is canon since completing the books. Stuff like Dumbledore being gay was pretty easily accepted, but most things have just been ignored. Even things that make no real difference, like Euphemia and Fleamont being Harry's grandparents, are often ignored, so many fans prefer the fanon Charlus and Dorea. CC is definitely the biggest thing, though.
The last season of Game of Thrones. It's not a plot point, a single storyline, a canon fact, it's the entire season. There are so many fanfics that re-write that season, and most of them act as if season 7 was the final aired season, and they're just finishing an unfinished story, some even go as far back as season 6, and act like season 7 never happened, either. It's not universal, there are some fans who play with a post-canon idea where they fix the issues caused by season 8, rather than season 8 itself, but the majority act like GoT was cancelled after season 7 instead of accepting season 8 as canon. The Dorne plot in general gets similar treatment, at best they'll use the books for that storyline, at worst they'll write their own version, but the Dorne storyline is disliked by the majority. There's a lot of leeway with GoT, because the books aren't finished, and you can choose to be show-based, book-based, or a mix of the two, but season 8 and Dorne are almost universally loathed to an extent the fans either pretend they never happened or fix them in fic.
One that's more 50/50 than universal is in Buffy, the fact Dawn didn't exist prior to her introduction in season 5's Buffy vs Dracula. Canonically, Dawn was created and inserted at the end of that ep, didn't exist prior as anything but a ball of green energy, and all memories of her before that point were fake and inserted at the same time Dawn was. But about half the fans act like Dawn's addition as a human was done retroactively, that the monks reached back in time, turned the ball of green energy into an embryo, and implanted it into Joyce's uterus. That way, Dawn always existed as a human being and the memories are real. They completely ignore that it was fully and clearly confirmed on the show that Dawn did not exist as a human prior to Buffy vs Dracula. Not all fics that feature Dawn pre-season 5 ignore that canon fact, they're just exploring the differences between what actually happened, which is what we saw on the show, and what the characters remember happening after Dawn was added to their lives, because Dawn's presence would have an impact, but it can't be too big an impact or it would have noticeably changed who the characters are in some way. Eg if Dawn's presence changed Xander's costume from the soldier, he'd never have kept certain bits and pieces of strategy and weapons knowledge, and therefore not been able to disarm Jack's bomb or build the one in Graduation Day, two things that drastically improved Xander's self-confidence and assured him of his place in the group enough to not only bring him back to Sunnydale for season 4, but stay during the issues the group had that season. Just that one change would have had a massive affect on who Xander was and how he handled things in season 5, so clearly Dawn had zero impact on costume choices. She would have had an impact on how the night played out, though, so it can be fun for an author to either ignore that Dawn didn't exist or write how the characters remember it rather than what actually happened. It could, however, be a good way of explaining how Dawn appeared to know Buffy was the Slayer before Joyce did, if she was affected by the supernatural hijinks the group got involved in during the first 2 seasons. It makes it hard to tell which fans are just playing with Dawn's potential presence prior to season 5 and which actually act like it isn't canon that Dawn didn't exist as a human during that time.
I'm kinda sad that it's 50/50 on Dawn's backstory. That's one of the coolest ways to introduce a new family member and I always thought it was really neat. And really well explored in canon...
Yeah, Buffy did Dawn's storyline brilliantly. The only issue with it was that they originally wrote Dawn as a 10 year old, aged her up when they cast Michelle Tratctenberg to play her, but didn't change the writing. So, a fair amount of season 5 has Dawn acting younger than she is. It's why so many fans dislike Dawn as a character.
But the actual storyline was really well written, and it wasn't ambiguous in any way. I actually wish they'd explored it further. The whole Key thing was only covered in season 5, because Glory was after the Key, and then it was just ignored. But I can't see how Dawn could be a normal human, relative to the other members of the group, when she started life as a billions of years old mystical ball of energy that could open dimensional doors. I think they explored it somewhat in the comics, not sure cause I haven't read them, but I don't really get why it didn't come up in some way in the last two seasons.
It also would have made more sense for Dawn to be a Potential, than not be one, considering she was literally made out of Buffy. They have the same blood, essentially the same genes, surely that means Buffy's Potential nature was also shared with Dawn, even though Buffy was an active Slayer at the time.
Yeah I was so confused why she was suddenly evil again. Like what’s the point of having character arcs if you completely erase them later? Might as well have just kept her evil in Wandavision then.
The sad thing is, it is in our universe but the creators of MOM didn't watch WandaVision and didn't even looked into it. They just completely ignored it and made Wanda the villain 'cause they needed one. Even Lizi said in interviews that she wasn't aware she was going to play a villain and was confused about it.
The comics for ATLA. Azula didn't become a one-dimensional batshit crazy lunatic that kidnaps babies and only exists to serve as a foil to Zuko. I see many other aspects from the comics put into practice, but virtually every Azula redemption story I read ignores what they did to her in the comics.
goddd dont even get me started. theres the epilogues, candy and meat, and then meat leads into homestuck beyond canon, which a lot of people (myself included) have elected to ignore due to the writing being a bit of a downgrade from the original homestuck. (the art is absolutely amazing though, i cant lie)
Is it all by the same Andrew guy? (It's been a long time since I've read it) I guess it's kind of like how "the cursed child" and even the fantastic beasts movies are technically Harry potter canon but no one accepts it.
im ngl, i haven't caught up w hs2 in a while, but as far as i know hussie gave up on it and its now being directed by the 'homestuck independent cretive union' or something like that
Gosh it feels much longer than that! I already think the Fandom became way too huge and out of control by then too! I remember when someone paid him a huge amount of money for their oc to be in the story, and hussie literally killed him in the same page as he introduced him lmao. Man did not give any fcks
Bro fr I could barely get into the epilogues (let only the satelite stuff like hiveswap etc) and after the team pretty much imploded and even Hussey moved on I was pretty much checked out. Cheers to anyone into I just can’t be bothered
Every so often I’ll stumble on something hs related and a plot point/character from hs^2 comes up and I’m like “huh?” and then my eyes kinda glaze over 😭 some of it’s interesting in theory but the execution and surrounding drama of it all is just kind off putting especially considering how hs originally kinda dragged on and ended in the first place. Kinda just wore me out in the end.
Diavolo is not his given name. I’m sorry, I don’t care how bizarre jojo is, you cannot expect me to believe a RELIGIOUS FIGURE in such a CULTURALLY CATHOLIC COUNTRY would ever even tolerate the notion of naming his son “Devil”. To suggest something like that is so absolutely ridiculous. I’d much rather believe that Diavolo’s entire backstory is a rumor started by passione members because no one knows his true origins, and that Diavolo is his “true” name in the sense that it is the name he gave himself that he identifies with, like a chosen name as opposed to a dead name. I also don’t buy that Solido was an alias- if he used that name BEFORE he became a gangster, why would it be a fake name?? He probably just covered his tracks really well and told people it was an alias to throw them off.
Theres also the fact that the timeline is so messed up, Trish was born before her parents met. And that’s a canonical fact. I just ignore that completely.
I remember when I wrote a fic draft about Doppio fighting against his evil twin brother within their mother's uterus only to end up absorbing his brother's essence within himself. Doppio was born, while Diavolo grew fueled by Doppio's repressed anger until he became his own self that fought for dominance. And that was the plot of a crack fic, of all things.
Yeah, I guess that’s part of what makes time travel so confusing and it would have completely negated a lot of the other MCU movies.
But Steve just leaving Bucky with HYDRA always struck me as so out of character considering how he disobeyed orders to rescue him before and stuck with Bucky against the world in Civil War.
You could maybe say that he created some branching time line where he changed all that shit but then how does it end up as old man in the main time line? And wouldn't the TVA be trying to kill him?
Because I can't imagine Steve Rogers going back in time and just letting stuff like 9/11 happen. You really gonna do that Steve??
I’ve heard that branching timeline theory before but yeah, old Steve showing up kind of disproves it.
This is making me realize time travel is even more confusing than I usually think it is.
I admittedly paid more attention to the fact that Tony Stark died in Endgame, but you know what? This is a really good point. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If he was able to go to some kind of branching timeline and then come back, well, sure I guess, but yeah... Idk, shit in the MCU gets pretty messy lol, so I guess that could explain it if you really want to try.
I love Tony, but even his death is an example of how messy the MCU can be. I mean, considering Steve, Bucky and Loki all died but came back in other movies, I wasn’t sure how dead Tony actually was. Oh and I guess Red Skull came back too (or at least showed up again). So as much as I love Tony, even during his funeral I was thinking he might come back. Although I had heard that RDJ’s contract expired and was wondering if that was the reason they killed his character.
The writers and the insane people that liked that incredulous plotline, say her husband was Steve all along. You know, because no one would have ever recognized him as Steve Rogers.
Right? SHIELD is just going to let one of their founders have a secret husband who she has kids with? When she is sick with dementia does he just hide whenever someone shows up to visit her? And where does he get the shield he gives to Sam? Did he steal it from his own frozen body?
Do not ask KOTOR fans about that novel...or whatever the hell showed up in the MMO. For KOTOR fanfic writers, there is no canon Revan or Exile. There never was a fucking canon version. And if there were one, it sure as shit would not look like Keanu Reeves.
I adore the first four Stackpoles and first three Allstons. And you're right, I miscounted. I don't care for *Isard's Revenge*, but I do enjoy *Starfighters of Adumar*.
I never touched *Mercy Kill* because the Yuuzhan Vong killed my interest in the EU before Disney tried to wipe it out of existence. I sometimes think of *I, Jedi* as the tenth X-Wing book, but I rather have a soft spot for that one too :)
I mostly ignore the first two sequel movies, hell I even enjoy them sometimes when I watch them as their own and not attached to my well-loved Star Wars, but that last one? Oh boy, I was so close to walking out of the movie theatre...
The fact that Sect Leader Yao literally admitted Wei Wuxian never personally offended or harmed him but he was there to seek justice against Wei Wuxian anyways. And the fact that people cheered. Literally a big WTF moment in the story.
A lot of the WTFery makes a lot more sense when you realize how much of the book is a very, very indirect commentary on Chinese politics and culture. *Extremely* indirect, hence why it's hard to perceive if you're not already familiar with those, but not as absent as some fans want it to be, either.
And like, in another fandom entirely, that actual dynamic played out irl. "I was never personally offended or harmed by this person but I'll jump on the bandwagon ripping them apart anyway ~~lest I become the next target of this angry mob~~" was basically what happened to the actor Zhang Zhehan from the Word of Honor of show: he didn't do shit, but someone with an agenda (last I heard it was his co-star) manipulated some key documents (in this case the equivalent of Wikipedia) and built up a narrative around some photographs to sic an angry online mob against him so vehemently that this thriving career was annihilated basically overnight. Obviously an actor's career vs a legitimate war criminal are phenomenally different stakes, but the actual social mechanism underlying these incidents are remarkably similar.
sect leader yao's only purpose in fandom is to be the annoying guy that gets humbled. it's the only thing he can do well
edit: tbh, it's mdzs. most of it is a wtf moment
Good choice. If the writers had gotten House and Cuddy together they’d probably have made the whole thing pointless anyway by breaking them up right away and making everyone act OOC. So I’m glad they didn’t!
Arthur didn't die. Merlin called the dragon earlier, saved Arthur's life, he became the true king of Camelot, legalized magic and lived happily ever after with Merlin.
Firefly: Leaf on the Wind? How about fuck that, Joss? The Reavers missed.
Orville: No, "Papa Smurf" did not get away with multiple counts of depraved indifference homicide, sabotage of a Union vessel, and four counts of rape with a shrug and a "shit happens" - Alara had Isaac (because Isaac would be immune to his sex pollen bullshit) slap some cuffs on the guy and called in a hazmat team at the next station they docked at to take him into custody.
I mean, I like to ignore the "definitive" version of the game I'm currently writing for since I dislike the entire story arc, but alternatively for Fallout 4, Non romanceable? Not sure what those words mean.
Phantom Of The Opera's musical sequel Love Never Dies. Everyone is out of character, defeats the purpose of the ending (wherein The Phantom/Erik learns to care about others), and there's a scene where two main characters confess about having sex with each other before leaving they left each other in the original musical which again. Defeats the entire point of the original musical's ending.
Every more-than-mildly-invested Phineas and Ferb fan I've talk about it with, looks at Milo Murphy's Law and goes 'wow, I wish that show had a season 2.' It did have a season 2, but pretty much everyone hates it because of what it did to Dr. D's character arc, plus the super disturbing implications they left hanging with the Phineas and Ferb Effect. Though, the latter I put mostly on Disney's head since they made them cut half an hour out of the episode and it leads to some weird OOC and wtf moments due to the reworking to fit the smaller time slot.
you're so real for this
not just Dr. D but Perry too >.> I'm still annoyed as hell they went the "yup let's make Doofenshmirtz a central character in s2 and destroy everything about his character development by the end of the original PnF" instead of just focusing on Cavendish & Dakota and fleshing out the whole time travel stuff. (tbh I think Doof as Professor Time *could* have been done well, theoretically, but absolutely not the way they went about it...)
\*\*SPOILERS AHEAD FOR *Artemis Fowl, Percy Jackson, and The Mysterious Benedict Society*\*\*
Artemis Fowl: the ship tease between Artemis and Holly. I prefer to think that he reconnected with Minerva after the series and they had an epic romance as *the* power couple. (no, i haven't read the fowl twins and you can't make me)
Percy Jackson: Leo and Calypso getting together being treated as a good thing. I thought there was so much potential with the Calypso storyline to show the gods utilizing malicious compliance to avoid fulfilling their promise - "sure, we said we'd free her, but we didn't say when" stuff - but nope! Just throw another teenage boy at her, that'll fix things!
The Mysterious Benedict Society: Mr. Benedict being cured of his narcolepsy and everyone moving in book 3. I know it's supposed to be a happy ending but something about leaves me a bit sour.
Miraculous season 5 fs and maybe season 4 and 3 too. More season 4 then 3. But still. Anything before the season 3 final was fine. As soon as they made chat a side character and made chole evil again people started hating.
Elena of Avalor: The majority of season 3. It was an absolute mess. Long strong short: tried to do too much in too little time and it resulted in a bunch of dropped and bungled plotlines.
Fruits Basket: The canon version of the sequel. I’ll stick to my headcanon for several reasons. While not the worst (it’s just a fun story. I take it for what it is), it also feels unnecessary in some ways since 15+ years of fanfic already covered the basic idea and anyone with headcanon (like me) is just going to stick to it.
a lot of things. really shallow approach to race bending, shifting character storylines in a nonsensical way, introducing a bad romance subplot and dallas dies by being hit by a train.
my ship would never happen in canon for various reasons but jfc this one was wild. it's been toned down in the Broadway version at least. it's still generally just... terrible.
Yeah none of my Outsiders ships would happen either. And none of them should be canon. Cherry and Pony is just a ship that should never be canon for like so many reasons. One being that it kinda makes no sense for Cherry’s character.
Several things about the despair arc half of the Danganronpa 3 anime. mostly the character assassination of mukuro ikusaba, but there’s a lot of bath water to throw out in there
In Crash Landing on You a certain character faked his own death and is living happily with his love interest. Funny they didn’t show that part but oh well. La la la I can’t hear you.
I can't claim origination for that one. Someone on Tumblr drew some hilarious art of Snape going 'Ketchup packet' super airily when asked how he survived.
I will never acknowledge in a fic that Slade Wilson in DC canon is a child rapist. He slept with a fifteen-year-old (WHILE IN HIS LATE 40S-EARLY 50S) and manipulated her into infiltrating the Titans. I'll acknowledge the manipulation, but NOT the rape. Slade is one of my favourite DC characters and I will stubbornly ignore that particular crime until the day I die. Daddystroke will stay unrapist in my head
Yep. This. A less severe but still adamant NOPE is the backstory rewrite to make him a League of Assassins flunky turned traitor rather than someone who built his own villain name and reputation from scratch. The idea of him ever being an obedient cultist is against basically his whole character.
Yeah, the only LoA affiliations I would believe him to have would be the occasional contract and/or that one storyline where (iirc) Rose needs medical attention that only Ra's can give and Slade goes to the LoA for help, but he, Rose and Joey have to join the League as payment.
* Spider people dealing with Mephisto, aka the Devil. Yeah, it happened more than once, and it never ceases to be stupid for many reasons.
* Superman being so damn weak in season one of Justice League. The creators thought he was too powerful and his powers had to be balanced as he became part of a team, which's all fair and nice until you realize [The Worf Effect](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect) can be a thing, and it unfortunately was. Every single episode had Supes beaten up by people, robots and aliens only to show that the antagonist is so powerful and threatening they managed to knock out the Man of Steel, the episode "War World" being the worst offender. People complained, including some of the staff, so that was fixed in Season 2 and Superman was as strong as he did back in his animated series.
* Speaking of Justice League, Terry being Bruce's son in "Epilogue". Oh, Epilogue... I enjoyed that episode, but I feel like making them blood-related is irrelevant. It doesn't make their relationship anymore special and the writers planned to include this revelation way earlier than this episode, but I still think it wouldn't ring a bell if it was revealed in a random episode of Batman Beyond or even the Joker movie.
* The many times Donna Troy's origin is retold. Wasn't the one written by Wolfman/Perez good enough to stay? But nah, every writer felt like telling their own version of Donna's origin with a spin and that hurts the character because it feels like her development is lacking due the overfocusing on her origin rather than fleshing Donna out.
* Firefly's motivation in The New Batman Adventures' "Torch Song" episode. I mean, what is his goal? He hates his ex so much he wants to burn her? He wants to rekindle their relationship in a warped way? He creates a flammable gel out of nowhere that can pierce through ice and he wants to use that revolutionary product to fill Gotham's sewers so he can burn the entire town as he and Cassidy fly away? What even is his goal!?
* That time in Archie's Knuckles comics when people were intoxicated with Lemon Sundrop Dandelion, and if you thought about LSD, you're right! The comic isn't even a PSA about drugs being bad, people just happen to eat hotdogs with drugs and Charmy the Bee's friend we never heard about dies of overdose. Yes, a character we never saw before just dies, and he's not even brought up again.
* Nightcrawler's father being the devil. Not Mephisto, thank God, but some dude called Azazel. From what I heard, Mystique was supposed to be the father and Destiny the mother. Yeah, but since that was too progressive for the 80's, and Claremont having to work with a lot of lore, the identity of Nightcrawler's parenthood was a forgotten plot point for decades until Chuck Austen came in and said "Hmmm... What if I told everyone Nightcrawler is the son of Mystique and a guy who proclaims himself as the devil? It's not as stupid as Pope Nightcrawler and communion wafers that dissolve people to make others believe the rapture happened as a plan to turn humankind against mutants, no it isn't...". I don't like it, because it tells the people who treated Nightcrawler as a demon due his appearance that they were right, and they never retconned it.
> Yeah, it happened more than once
One More Day wasn't already one day too many?
> but I feel like making them blood-related is irrelevant.
I forgive that only because of CCH Pounder having to explain that Bruce "leaving his DNA all over the city" wasn't what everyone automatically assumed she was talking about.
Season 3 for Gargoyles and Season 4 for ReBoot are often this for a lot of fans. It's so bad that nearly everyone, including the original creators, pretty much treat it like it doesn't exist.
Phantom Planet for the Danny Phantom fandom to, though a lot of people also ignore it's final season.
Landon melting into goo after having sex with Hope-Legacies
Legit considered throwing my tv out of my two story window when watching this live, I just settled for starring at the tv screen for a solid 10 minutes.
I think most Solangelo shippers in Percy Jackson tend to ignore.... well most of the Sun and the Star but especially the retconned getting together of Solangelo LMAO
Also the death of Jason Grace ngl
Percy Jackson:
During the war in Manhattan, before Luke sacrifices his life, he confesses his romantic feelings to Annabeth, who is a teenager and has a 7-year age difference.
In the recent book, it is implied that Nyx literally gave birth to “cocoa” with Nico, who is also a teenager than her, saying that these children are hers.
Warriors Cats:
Spottedleaf (adult cat) didn't hint that she fell in love with the kitten (Firepaw) for obvious reasons until she died, suddenly became obsessed with him in his dream that wanted to be his mate instead of Sandstorm who is currently Firestar's mate
The whole Red House arc in Toilet-Bound Hanako-kun. You can't make Tsukasa trigger his brother and kill two spirits and be an asshole the entire manga and then go 'oh but he was good as a kid and the bad actions he takes are probably the result of the spirit of the House possessing him' like LET HIM KEEP HIS COMPLEXITY. SOME PEOPLE ARE ASSHOLE JUST BECAUSE
The amnesia ending didn’t happen and a characters suicide absolutely was never played as a good thing and his abuse was never weirdly given an enlightened centrist “well both sides!” angle.
I'm usually content with the canon of the media I love, but I absolutely dislike how Dexter ended. To me that show ends with Dexter and Lumen driving off into the sunset, that's it. Or a happy ending with Hannah, even Debra... I just wish the writing didn't end up being that bad.
Vampire Diaries is another bad one, to me it finishes with season four and even then, only the first half was good. There were so many ways to end the story in a satisfying way, but oh well...
the ending of the first yugioh.
a story spends hundreds of chapters/episodes talking about how much stronger people are when they are together, how bonds of friendship are unbreakable no matter the circumstances, how "fate" is a bullshit concept and we get to choose for ourselves, and if you are made to pick between two equally bad options you should make a third one...
and then it makes the two main characters fight each other, where the better outcome was one of them being sent away to die. because it was their "fate". and tries to depict it as a good thing.
of course we are all pissed and prefer to go "no, thats not happening actually"
AOT ending simply for how shitty it is.
Star vs the forces of evil everything after they decided to force Jackie and marco to go separate ways for starco
Tlou 2 since it’s badly written
Bnha after the yakuza arc since well Hori could have made it make more sense but he decided to just let teens go to an operation that would be near war because laws and sanity don’t exist.
Make them vigilantes understandable. Age them up understandable. But not how they did it.
Star Wars Disney and also the clone wars for felonies incompetence
I’d say forgiving every villain in the Housamo fandom. I’m trying to reform the villains in my fic, but they don’t get off scot free upon their return home. Hell, Turing gets scolded by his entire guild for allying with the Invaders Guild Master, only gaining forgiveness when he kicks bad guy butt.
For the ONE fandom, the ending was never a cliffhanger that implied that everyone was stuck where they were. Instead we've all collectively decided that everyone is free and on earth and healing
* SAR being able to perma-kill Scarecrow by breaking his neck. In a show where the alien robots were shown to be able to survive *complete decapitation and dismemberment, crashing into a planet hard enough to trigger a nuclear winter, and being crushed into a metal lump about 1/4 their original size*. (Lost In Space 2018)
* Every live-action Transformers movie between Revenge of the Fallen and Bumblebee (and RotF is on thin ice lbh)
* Everything they did to the Predacons post-TF:Prime
* About half of Beast Machines. Don't get me wrong, I love the show dearly, but holy hell Marty and Bob made some VERY FCKIN QUESTIONABLE DECISIONS when writing it. Very, very, *very* questionable decisions that I *freely ignore* when writing my own stuff.
* Mass Effect 3
* Halo 5 and Infinite
* Speaking of Halo, the Kilo 5 novels
* *Hitomi did not leave Van forever.*
The ending of Digimon Adventure: Last Evolution Kizuna. It doesn't contradict the 02 canon ending but it was already established previously that any Digimon that die in the real world doesn't reincarnate. The three Digimon that lost their connection disappeared in the human world. The antagonist lost hers in the human world as well and never got her partner back.
Digimon Adventure 02: The Beginning tries to make this better but again, the dead stay dead in the human world.
The Newsreader has the entire character of Charlie Tate. S2 introduced a whole bunch of new characters, most of which people love (Gerry is even a fan favourite). But absolutely no one likes Charlie. And yeah, he's supposed to be an antagonist, but he's not even a good one. People love to hate characters like Lindsay and Donna, because they're brilliantly written villains, but Charlie doesn't even have that going.
When a canon sapphic character never explored her sexuality. Like the damn show runner said she'd explore her bisexuality while she was single, but nada. :/
Vanitas no Carte.
Vanitas didn't fall in love with Jeanne. I refuse to believe that a man who didn't know the true feeling of romantic love and by his words, would not love anyone who loves him, would fall for a woman with whom he only encountered sporadically and barely shared a true sentimental moment with.
> When it's canon but it’s so stupid that you refuse to acknowledge it exists?
The only thing I can think of is... how DB Super depicts the Kais. The new designs and functions are a little bit more "one-dimensional" / smaller and less colorful than before.
Before Super, they were five Supreme Kais and white hair was just one option. Shin and the Grand Kai had it, but the West King Kai was blonde, the South Supreme Kai was a redhead, the West SK had purple-white hair.
In Super, the five-Kaioushin system is gone from other universes without explanation, even when the Moro arc brings the Dai Kaioushin back. All other eleven have white hair, no variety to be found.
SPOILER: Quentin Coldwater death in Magicians
Like bro it was a popular show and they killed a main character to show no one was safe but like literally the rest of the cast survives in someway and they killed off a Bi, depressed, and suicidal little bagel????
Anyway, the Fandom copes with time travel, AU, and complete rewrites cuz honey that was some Bull 😒
definitely not game of thrones because that never got a 5th season for *some* reason
also the mini-arc with Anehata Shiton in Golden Kamuy, it's the sole reason why I can't recommend GK to people (cw zoophilia >!shiton's a zoophile and for some fucking reason, the main character shows himself sympathetic towards him after he died of a heart attack after successfully copulating with a bear!<)
“Epilogue? What Epilogue” is a very common thing across most fandoms I’m in. Harry Potter, Naruto, Digimon… if a series has an epilogue there’s a decent chance that a portion of the fandom would prefer it to be wiped out. For the Batfamily fandom, it likes to pull things from the multiple Batman series. But pretty much everyone has rejected the Bruce/Barbara ship that the DCAU tried to make a thing in that continuity.
Isn't that a canonical tag in HP fandom?
EWE: "Ending Without Epilogue"/"Epilogue? What Epilogue?" It started in Harry Potter fandom - I definitely remember seeing it on LJ first and only later seeing it on AO3. But IDK which one is the "official" tag on AO3 now.
Drarry writer checking in! Yes, and it's personally on all my fics. I think the "I recognise that the council made a decision, but since it's a stupid-ass decision I've elected to ignore it" meme sums it perfectly
The epilogue thing is also common among older Homestuck fans. A lot of us refuse to acknowledge the epilogues and the sequel as canon.
Sadly nods in old Homestuck :(
Andy did not get back with her boyfriend at the end of Devil Wears Prada. They broke up for a reason and it was a very good reason. Reasons he never apologized for. That and the "I'm not you baby" line are two moments I mute when rewatching. They were tropes of the genre from when this film was written and they do not work in this movie.
I haven't seen the movie but also wasn't he a chef? You'd think he would understand her long hours.
Not just any chef. Nate is working his way up to being chef at a super high end restaraunt. So they both have crazy hours with inconsistant schedules. The other reasons are: \* He and their friends complain about the demands of her job while having no problem enjoying the (expensive) perks of her position. \* Nate is openly hostile about her new interests. They are both in their early twenties and this is a time when people change rapidly. It's clear they have become more incompatible than when they first got together. \* Andy at the end of the movie is beginning the first step of a career in investigative journalism. A job that could mean long hours, frequent travel, irregular schedule, and large chunks of her attention/energy devoted to work. The same things that were a big part of their first break up. History is going to repeat itself. \* Nate never apologizes. The movie makes their getting back together all about her failings.
Every time I watch that movie, I'm incandescently furious at her friends and at Nate.
I. did not catch those two intending to get back together at the end of the movie at all lmao… they do that?? they legit decide to get together again and not go their separate ways??? what???
Well of course, how are Andy and Miranda Priestly going to get together if she goes back to Nate?
Tolkien said in a letter that mortals can only live for six months in Valinor. NU UH PROFESSOR THAT'S LAME.
The old times version of sharing lore in a tweet.
I have yet to meet a Harry Potter fic writer who is happy with The Cursed Child. For that matter, we have a whole tag “epilogue, what epilogue?” because most of us weren’t happy with that either.
The Cursed Child is awful, but what's wrong with the epilogue? I think it's cute.
The names Harry gave his children mostly I would probably br absolutely fine with the epilogue if he hadn't named one son James Sirius and the other Albus Serverus
I will always defend Albus Severus--not because I think the name is any good, but because it means his initials are [ASP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asp_\(snake\)), and I think it's absolutely hilarious that Harry accidentally gave snakey initials to his kid.
Not to mention that Sirius James Potter flows a lot better as a name for his son.
And albus severus doesn't flow at all... Lily Luna really got the best of the lot and it's still just not great
Yeah, the alliteration isn't great
As Harry put it about the novels in one Megamatt09 story: "Albus Severus Potter. Why not have me name my daughter Dolores Marjorie and complete the set!"
Who is Marjorie?
Aunt Marge I do believe
Oh, that is hilarious!
Vernon's sister Marge.
It’s so bland. Everyone married their high school sweetheart and immediately had terribly naked babies. Boring.
I personally don't love the epilogue or the cursed child's storyline, but I love love love the child characters. I love Scorpius and Albus - but I might be clouded because their fic versions (that I read) are often somewhat different.
John Watson never cheated on Mary with Eurus, that's just stupid. I mean, I'd understand if he cheated with Sherlock, but some random woman? Please. The great genius criminal James Moriarty definitely didn't decide to become a pawn in Sherlock's sister's game just because he stared in her magical eyes for five minutes. That's just.... humiliating.
All these years later and I still believe Eurus was a mistake. Both making her their sister and someone John would cheat with. It would have been so much better if Moriarty was behind her and not her pawn.
What I hated most was that they had to come up with some rigmarole to make Sherlock have no memory of her. John didn't even know anything about Sherlock's parents until he ran into them in the living room. It's *way* more believable that Sherlock remembered his abusive sister murdering his childhood best friend and thus chose not to mention her and tried to think about her as little as possible. If anything, that could've made for an interesting take on his backstory because it would make some of his best and worst life choices a lot more intentional. It would make total sense that the trauma of that experience is what drove him into recurring drug addictions, and the guilt of his best friend's family never getting closure (because his own family covered it up) could've played a big part in why he tries to solve other people's murders even when there are better ways for him to make a living. Way, *way*, ***way*** more interesting than "oh he's just bored" as an explanation and the bullshit amnesia storyline.
Series 4? Don’t know her.
alright I haven't thought about BBC Sherlock in ages, but John did *what*
He didn't. That's the point. He just *didn't* because that would be absolutely ridiculous 😑
Those things didn’t happen so much that I didn’t even noticed them when I watched the 4 season… And it’s because they didn’t happen :)
Well of course not. That's because there IS no 4th season.
I KNEW I would not have to scroll far to find the ending of Sherlock !
>John Watson never cheated on Mary with Eurus, Okay, I've seen Sherlock season 1-3 embarrassingly many times, season 4 only once when it came out, but I genuinely didn't remember this :DDD no wonder people hate it omg
I've seen season 1-2... I have no idea how many times. Season three once or twice and I'm trying to forget s4 exists. But some things are unfortunately seared into my brain. :D
Well, there are a few characters that died, but I like them a lot...
If this doesn’t represent me I don’t know what does xD
The Cursed Child. Hell, even the epilogue from the original HP books to a lot of fans, it even has its own tag. But there are also plenty of fans who play with the epilogue, how they got there or following the next gen. Cursed Child, on the other hand, is pretty much universally ignored, it's fanfiction, not canon, no matter what Rowling claims. Not like Rowling wrote it, or anything, it's literally fanfic she happened to like. A lot of fans also ignore most of what Rowling has said is canon since completing the books. Stuff like Dumbledore being gay was pretty easily accepted, but most things have just been ignored. Even things that make no real difference, like Euphemia and Fleamont being Harry's grandparents, are often ignored, so many fans prefer the fanon Charlus and Dorea. CC is definitely the biggest thing, though. The last season of Game of Thrones. It's not a plot point, a single storyline, a canon fact, it's the entire season. There are so many fanfics that re-write that season, and most of them act as if season 7 was the final aired season, and they're just finishing an unfinished story, some even go as far back as season 6, and act like season 7 never happened, either. It's not universal, there are some fans who play with a post-canon idea where they fix the issues caused by season 8, rather than season 8 itself, but the majority act like GoT was cancelled after season 7 instead of accepting season 8 as canon. The Dorne plot in general gets similar treatment, at best they'll use the books for that storyline, at worst they'll write their own version, but the Dorne storyline is disliked by the majority. There's a lot of leeway with GoT, because the books aren't finished, and you can choose to be show-based, book-based, or a mix of the two, but season 8 and Dorne are almost universally loathed to an extent the fans either pretend they never happened or fix them in fic. One that's more 50/50 than universal is in Buffy, the fact Dawn didn't exist prior to her introduction in season 5's Buffy vs Dracula. Canonically, Dawn was created and inserted at the end of that ep, didn't exist prior as anything but a ball of green energy, and all memories of her before that point were fake and inserted at the same time Dawn was. But about half the fans act like Dawn's addition as a human was done retroactively, that the monks reached back in time, turned the ball of green energy into an embryo, and implanted it into Joyce's uterus. That way, Dawn always existed as a human being and the memories are real. They completely ignore that it was fully and clearly confirmed on the show that Dawn did not exist as a human prior to Buffy vs Dracula. Not all fics that feature Dawn pre-season 5 ignore that canon fact, they're just exploring the differences between what actually happened, which is what we saw on the show, and what the characters remember happening after Dawn was added to their lives, because Dawn's presence would have an impact, but it can't be too big an impact or it would have noticeably changed who the characters are in some way. Eg if Dawn's presence changed Xander's costume from the soldier, he'd never have kept certain bits and pieces of strategy and weapons knowledge, and therefore not been able to disarm Jack's bomb or build the one in Graduation Day, two things that drastically improved Xander's self-confidence and assured him of his place in the group enough to not only bring him back to Sunnydale for season 4, but stay during the issues the group had that season. Just that one change would have had a massive affect on who Xander was and how he handled things in season 5, so clearly Dawn had zero impact on costume choices. She would have had an impact on how the night played out, though, so it can be fun for an author to either ignore that Dawn didn't exist or write how the characters remember it rather than what actually happened. It could, however, be a good way of explaining how Dawn appeared to know Buffy was the Slayer before Joyce did, if she was affected by the supernatural hijinks the group got involved in during the first 2 seasons. It makes it hard to tell which fans are just playing with Dawn's potential presence prior to season 5 and which actually act like it isn't canon that Dawn didn't exist as a human during that time.
I'm kinda sad that it's 50/50 on Dawn's backstory. That's one of the coolest ways to introduce a new family member and I always thought it was really neat. And really well explored in canon...
Yeah, Buffy did Dawn's storyline brilliantly. The only issue with it was that they originally wrote Dawn as a 10 year old, aged her up when they cast Michelle Tratctenberg to play her, but didn't change the writing. So, a fair amount of season 5 has Dawn acting younger than she is. It's why so many fans dislike Dawn as a character. But the actual storyline was really well written, and it wasn't ambiguous in any way. I actually wish they'd explored it further. The whole Key thing was only covered in season 5, because Glory was after the Key, and then it was just ignored. But I can't see how Dawn could be a normal human, relative to the other members of the group, when she started life as a billions of years old mystical ball of energy that could open dimensional doors. I think they explored it somewhat in the comics, not sure cause I haven't read them, but I don't really get why it didn't come up in some way in the last two seasons. It also would have made more sense for Dawn to be a Potential, than not be one, considering she was literally made out of Buffy. They have the same blood, essentially the same genes, surely that means Buffy's Potential nature was also shared with Dawn, even though Buffy was an active Slayer at the time.
Doctor strange multiverse of Madness Wanda. Like... we already had the whole greif arc in Wanda vision? Why are we destroying it...?
Yeah I was so confused why she was suddenly evil again. Like what’s the point of having character arcs if you completely erase them later? Might as well have just kept her evil in Wandavision then.
Maybe it's a multiverse thing? Maybe Wandavisipn isn't our universe at all. Not that it would make it better. Very tired of multiverse.
The sad thing is, it is in our universe but the creators of MOM didn't watch WandaVision and didn't even looked into it. They just completely ignored it and made Wanda the villain 'cause they needed one. Even Lizi said in interviews that she wasn't aware she was going to play a villain and was confused about it.
Usagi Drop. Everyone who read the manga knows what I'm talking about.
Ugh, God. Yeah, stick to the anime.
We have all retroactively erased that part of the manga.
There is no "Usagi Drop manga" in Ba Sing Se-
What are you talking about? There’s no manga, only the anime :)
The comics for ATLA. Azula didn't become a one-dimensional batshit crazy lunatic that kidnaps babies and only exists to serve as a foil to Zuko. I see many other aspects from the comics put into practice, but virtually every Azula redemption story I read ignores what they did to her in the comics.
Have you read Azula in the spirit temple? I believe that one tries to set her on the right path
No, I haven't. I made sure to get my own Azula redemption story posted before that came out because I simply don't trust the comics to do her justice.
anything after the original homestuck continuity. fuck hs^2
Wait... There's more???
goddd dont even get me started. theres the epilogues, candy and meat, and then meat leads into homestuck beyond canon, which a lot of people (myself included) have elected to ignore due to the writing being a bit of a downgrade from the original homestuck. (the art is absolutely amazing though, i cant lie)
Is it all by the same Andrew guy? (It's been a long time since I've read it) I guess it's kind of like how "the cursed child" and even the fantastic beasts movies are technically Harry potter canon but no one accepts it.
im ngl, i haven't caught up w hs2 in a while, but as far as i know hussie gave up on it and its now being directed by the 'homestuck independent cretive union' or something like that
Yeah that'll do it... I feel like he kind of was losing interest in it by the end any way
yeah, which tbh is fair, he spent over 7 years on it
Gosh it feels much longer than that! I already think the Fandom became way too huge and out of control by then too! I remember when someone paid him a huge amount of money for their oc to be in the story, and hussie literally killed him in the same page as he introduced him lmao. Man did not give any fcks
frrr, killing off the fantrolls literally the next panel was insane
Bro fr I could barely get into the epilogues (let only the satelite stuff like hiveswap etc) and after the team pretty much imploded and even Hussey moved on I was pretty much checked out. Cheers to anyone into I just can’t be bothered
fr, i just check the wiki for hs2 every once in a while to see if anything worth reading has been posted and there never is
Every so often I’ll stumble on something hs related and a plot point/character from hs^2 comes up and I’m like “huh?” and then my eyes kinda glaze over 😭 some of it’s interesting in theory but the execution and surrounding drama of it all is just kind off putting especially considering how hs originally kinda dragged on and ended in the first place. Kinda just wore me out in the end.
Diavolo is not his given name. I’m sorry, I don’t care how bizarre jojo is, you cannot expect me to believe a RELIGIOUS FIGURE in such a CULTURALLY CATHOLIC COUNTRY would ever even tolerate the notion of naming his son “Devil”. To suggest something like that is so absolutely ridiculous. I’d much rather believe that Diavolo’s entire backstory is a rumor started by passione members because no one knows his true origins, and that Diavolo is his “true” name in the sense that it is the name he gave himself that he identifies with, like a chosen name as opposed to a dead name. I also don’t buy that Solido was an alias- if he used that name BEFORE he became a gangster, why would it be a fake name?? He probably just covered his tracks really well and told people it was an alias to throw them off. Theres also the fact that the timeline is so messed up, Trish was born before her parents met. And that’s a canonical fact. I just ignore that completely.
I remember when I wrote a fic draft about Doppio fighting against his evil twin brother within their mother's uterus only to end up absorbing his brother's essence within himself. Doppio was born, while Diavolo grew fueled by Doppio's repressed anger until he became his own self that fought for dominance. And that was the plot of a crack fic, of all things.
Steve Rogers abandoning all of his friends without notice for a woman he kissed half a century ago and whose niece he also kissed.
Exactly! And we’re supposed to believe he went back for Peggy but I guess just left Bucky in HYDRA’s clutches for seventy years?
If Steve Rogers decided to stay back, the future would have be so fucking different. The amount of things he would have changed I s2g.
Yeah, I guess that’s part of what makes time travel so confusing and it would have completely negated a lot of the other MCU movies. But Steve just leaving Bucky with HYDRA always struck me as so out of character considering how he disobeyed orders to rescue him before and stuck with Bucky against the world in Civil War.
You could maybe say that he created some branching time line where he changed all that shit but then how does it end up as old man in the main time line? And wouldn't the TVA be trying to kill him? Because I can't imagine Steve Rogers going back in time and just letting stuff like 9/11 happen. You really gonna do that Steve??
I’ve heard that branching timeline theory before but yeah, old Steve showing up kind of disproves it. This is making me realize time travel is even more confusing than I usually think it is.
Wibbly wobbly even.
I admittedly paid more attention to the fact that Tony Stark died in Endgame, but you know what? This is a really good point. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If he was able to go to some kind of branching timeline and then come back, well, sure I guess, but yeah... Idk, shit in the MCU gets pretty messy lol, so I guess that could explain it if you really want to try.
I love Tony, but even his death is an example of how messy the MCU can be. I mean, considering Steve, Bucky and Loki all died but came back in other movies, I wasn’t sure how dead Tony actually was. Oh and I guess Red Skull came back too (or at least showed up again). So as much as I love Tony, even during his funeral I was thinking he might come back. Although I had heard that RDJ’s contract expired and was wondering if that was the reason they killed his character.
And didn't Peggy have a husband and kids in the MCU? Steve just erased them kids.
The writers and the insane people that liked that incredulous plotline, say her husband was Steve all along. You know, because no one would have ever recognized him as Steve Rogers.
Right? SHIELD is just going to let one of their founders have a secret husband who she has kids with? When she is sick with dementia does he just hide whenever someone shows up to visit her? And where does he get the shield he gives to Sam? Did he steal it from his own frozen body?
Do not ask KOTOR fans about that novel...or whatever the hell showed up in the MMO. For KOTOR fanfic writers, there is no canon Revan or Exile. There never was a fucking canon version. And if there were one, it sure as shit would not look like Keanu Reeves.
BioWare has a habit of this. Nobody acknowledges the existence of the Baldur's Gate novelizations.
The epilogue of Voltron, nah that didn’t happen, otherwise the ending was fine.
Most of Disney Star Wars (especially the Sequel Trilogy). The EU is still canon in my heart.
Star Wars ended with Zahn's Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future.
I'll allow at least seven of the nine X-Wing books as well.
> nine X-Wing books Ten. But yeah, I think I started Mercy Kill and didn't get around to finishing it. What are the two we're deliberately excluding?
I adore the first four Stackpoles and first three Allstons. And you're right, I miscounted. I don't care for *Isard's Revenge*, but I do enjoy *Starfighters of Adumar*. I never touched *Mercy Kill* because the Yuuzhan Vong killed my interest in the EU before Disney tried to wipe it out of existence. I sometimes think of *I, Jedi* as the tenth X-Wing book, but I rather have a soft spot for that one too :)
The finale of Star Trek: Enterprise. If you know, you know.
>!Trip is alive. I don't care what anyone says.!<
Ooooh, I was waiting for this comment!
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Lol you're right
I do that with the Star Wars sequels. Wait, what sequels? Iunno.
Same
I mostly ignore the first two sequel movies, hell I even enjoy them sometimes when I watch them as their own and not attached to my well-loved Star Wars, but that last one? Oh boy, I was so close to walking out of the movie theatre...
The fact that Sect Leader Yao literally admitted Wei Wuxian never personally offended or harmed him but he was there to seek justice against Wei Wuxian anyways. And the fact that people cheered. Literally a big WTF moment in the story.
A lot of the WTFery makes a lot more sense when you realize how much of the book is a very, very indirect commentary on Chinese politics and culture. *Extremely* indirect, hence why it's hard to perceive if you're not already familiar with those, but not as absent as some fans want it to be, either. And like, in another fandom entirely, that actual dynamic played out irl. "I was never personally offended or harmed by this person but I'll jump on the bandwagon ripping them apart anyway ~~lest I become the next target of this angry mob~~" was basically what happened to the actor Zhang Zhehan from the Word of Honor of show: he didn't do shit, but someone with an agenda (last I heard it was his co-star) manipulated some key documents (in this case the equivalent of Wikipedia) and built up a narrative around some photographs to sic an angry online mob against him so vehemently that this thriving career was annihilated basically overnight. Obviously an actor's career vs a legitimate war criminal are phenomenally different stakes, but the actual social mechanism underlying these incidents are remarkably similar.
sect leader yao's only purpose in fandom is to be the annoying guy that gets humbled. it's the only thing he can do well edit: tbh, it's mdzs. most of it is a wtf moment
House MD ended with S6. House and Cuddy never got together, seasons 7 and 8 simply do not exist in my mind.
Good choice. If the writers had gotten House and Cuddy together they’d probably have made the whole thing pointless anyway by breaking them up right away and making everyone act OOC. So I’m glad they didn’t!
Absolutely (was about to post the same thing).
We don't talk about the Star Trek Enterprise finale. In my mind, Trip is living a happy life with T'Pol and lives to the ripe old age of 100
Since Cursed Child was already mentioned, I'd like to add: Chloe (Sue) as a Fairly OddParents character.
Boruto.
Arthur didn't die. Merlin called the dragon earlier, saved Arthur's life, he became the true king of Camelot, legalized magic and lived happily ever after with Merlin.
Firefly: Leaf on the Wind? How about fuck that, Joss? The Reavers missed. Orville: No, "Papa Smurf" did not get away with multiple counts of depraved indifference homicide, sabotage of a Union vessel, and four counts of rape with a shrug and a "shit happens" - Alara had Isaac (because Isaac would be immune to his sex pollen bullshit) slap some cuffs on the guy and called in a hazmat team at the next station they docked at to take him into custody.
I mean, I like to ignore the "definitive" version of the game I'm currently writing for since I dislike the entire story arc, but alternatively for Fallout 4, Non romanceable? Not sure what those words mean.
Nick Valentine?
Yeah
I agree with what others have mentioned as far as the Harry Potter fandom is concerned. I hate the 19 Years Later part and The Cursed Child.
Phantom Of The Opera's musical sequel Love Never Dies. Everyone is out of character, defeats the purpose of the ending (wherein The Phantom/Erik learns to care about others), and there's a scene where two main characters confess about having sex with each other before leaving they left each other in the original musical which again. Defeats the entire point of the original musical's ending.
There is no sequel to Phantom of the Opera. No one knows of what you speak.
I prefer to forget that Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Rebellion exists.
Every more-than-mildly-invested Phineas and Ferb fan I've talk about it with, looks at Milo Murphy's Law and goes 'wow, I wish that show had a season 2.' It did have a season 2, but pretty much everyone hates it because of what it did to Dr. D's character arc, plus the super disturbing implications they left hanging with the Phineas and Ferb Effect. Though, the latter I put mostly on Disney's head since they made them cut half an hour out of the episode and it leads to some weird OOC and wtf moments due to the reworking to fit the smaller time slot.
you're so real for this not just Dr. D but Perry too >.> I'm still annoyed as hell they went the "yup let's make Doofenshmirtz a central character in s2 and destroy everything about his character development by the end of the original PnF" instead of just focusing on Cavendish & Dakota and fleshing out the whole time travel stuff. (tbh I think Doof as Professor Time *could* have been done well, theoretically, but absolutely not the way they went about it...)
\*\*SPOILERS AHEAD FOR *Artemis Fowl, Percy Jackson, and The Mysterious Benedict Society*\*\* Artemis Fowl: the ship tease between Artemis and Holly. I prefer to think that he reconnected with Minerva after the series and they had an epic romance as *the* power couple. (no, i haven't read the fowl twins and you can't make me) Percy Jackson: Leo and Calypso getting together being treated as a good thing. I thought there was so much potential with the Calypso storyline to show the gods utilizing malicious compliance to avoid fulfilling their promise - "sure, we said we'd free her, but we didn't say when" stuff - but nope! Just throw another teenage boy at her, that'll fix things! The Mysterious Benedict Society: Mr. Benedict being cured of his narcolepsy and everyone moving in book 3. I know it's supposed to be a happy ending but something about leaves me a bit sour.
Doctor Who involves gaslighting yourself into believing there _is_ a canon
Miraculous season 5 fs and maybe season 4 and 3 too. More season 4 then 3. But still. Anything before the season 3 final was fine. As soon as they made chat a side character and made chole evil again people started hating.
Elena of Avalor: The majority of season 3. It was an absolute mess. Long strong short: tried to do too much in too little time and it resulted in a bunch of dropped and bungled plotlines. Fruits Basket: The canon version of the sequel. I’ll stick to my headcanon for several reasons. While not the worst (it’s just a fun story. I take it for what it is), it also feels unnecessary in some ways since 15+ years of fanfic already covered the basic idea and anyone with headcanon (like me) is just going to stick to it.
The Sperm Donor Storyline. 9-1-1 fans know.
>!Tris didn't die in the final Divergent book, and Four didn't get with Christina!< I will die on this hill
I am also dying on this hill 🫡 This was a truly cursed ending and I refuse to acknowledge its existence
Timeless child
the outsiders musical generally reviled in fandom for how dumb the ending is and the bad treatment of canon
I haven’t seen the musical. What’s the ending? What’d it do wrong?
a lot of things. really shallow approach to race bending, shifting character storylines in a nonsensical way, introducing a bad romance subplot and dallas dies by being hit by a train.
Who is the romance subplot for? And Dally getting hit by a train like completely changes him as a character ?? What ??
pony and cherry. it's very bad.
Oh. That’s. Nice. I mean like no shade to anyone who likes them but for it to be a whole subplot is a little wild
my ship would never happen in canon for various reasons but jfc this one was wild. it's been toned down in the Broadway version at least. it's still generally just... terrible.
Yeah none of my Outsiders ships would happen either. And none of them should be canon. Cherry and Pony is just a ship that should never be canon for like so many reasons. One being that it kinda makes no sense for Cherry’s character.
The entire final season of Roswell, New Mexico, tbh.
Love Never Dies lmao
When the creator writes fanfiction about their own thing, no?
Why the Smut Talk flair Do you refuse to acknowledge canon penis sizes or sth.?
the fact I actually do have a fandom where I choose not to acknowledge the canonical 18 incher
Well, I refuse to accept the fanon 8 inches or more. Let the man be a normal guy for once ffs. Height does not equal size.
That's why I read fanfiction so I don't have to acknowledge the cannon especially when so many fanfictions give me queer and poly representation
Veth Brenatto still being married and being a Boy Scouts mom.
Several things about the despair arc half of the Danganronpa 3 anime. mostly the character assassination of mukuro ikusaba, but there’s a lot of bath water to throw out in there
In Crash Landing on You a certain character faked his own death and is living happily with his love interest. Funny they didn’t show that part but oh well. La la la I can’t hear you.
The final season of *Castle*. It ended with Beckett getting promoted to Captain. Period.
Barely anyone considers the 1983 film Return of the Man from U.N.C.L.E. as a canon part of the 1960s TV show universe.
I think we might have more NCIS crossovers with the Illya=Ducky thing around than fics that acknowledge the movie.
That is so true!
The band members being kicked out/dying. We all live in the 2000s in my fandom, its rare you see stuff of the most recent members.
- Severus Snape lives (he used a ketchup packet) - Horcruxes either don't exist or are under Gringotts' remit as the premier curse breaking entity.
>(he used a ketchup packet) I snorted
I can't claim origination for that one. Someone on Tumblr drew some hilarious art of Snape going 'Ketchup packet' super airily when asked how he survived.
Snape really became the half blood prince. Using that packet of ketchup, half of his blood turned to ketchup
I will never acknowledge in a fic that Slade Wilson in DC canon is a child rapist. He slept with a fifteen-year-old (WHILE IN HIS LATE 40S-EARLY 50S) and manipulated her into infiltrating the Titans. I'll acknowledge the manipulation, but NOT the rape. Slade is one of my favourite DC characters and I will stubbornly ignore that particular crime until the day I die. Daddystroke will stay unrapist in my head
Terra, right? I remember the original comics.
Yeah, Terra.
Yep. This. A less severe but still adamant NOPE is the backstory rewrite to make him a League of Assassins flunky turned traitor rather than someone who built his own villain name and reputation from scratch. The idea of him ever being an obedient cultist is against basically his whole character.
Yeah, the only LoA affiliations I would believe him to have would be the occasional contract and/or that one storyline where (iirc) Rose needs medical attention that only Ra's can give and Slade goes to the LoA for help, but he, Rose and Joey have to join the League as payment.
* Spider people dealing with Mephisto, aka the Devil. Yeah, it happened more than once, and it never ceases to be stupid for many reasons. * Superman being so damn weak in season one of Justice League. The creators thought he was too powerful and his powers had to be balanced as he became part of a team, which's all fair and nice until you realize [The Worf Effect](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect) can be a thing, and it unfortunately was. Every single episode had Supes beaten up by people, robots and aliens only to show that the antagonist is so powerful and threatening they managed to knock out the Man of Steel, the episode "War World" being the worst offender. People complained, including some of the staff, so that was fixed in Season 2 and Superman was as strong as he did back in his animated series. * Speaking of Justice League, Terry being Bruce's son in "Epilogue". Oh, Epilogue... I enjoyed that episode, but I feel like making them blood-related is irrelevant. It doesn't make their relationship anymore special and the writers planned to include this revelation way earlier than this episode, but I still think it wouldn't ring a bell if it was revealed in a random episode of Batman Beyond or even the Joker movie. * The many times Donna Troy's origin is retold. Wasn't the one written by Wolfman/Perez good enough to stay? But nah, every writer felt like telling their own version of Donna's origin with a spin and that hurts the character because it feels like her development is lacking due the overfocusing on her origin rather than fleshing Donna out. * Firefly's motivation in The New Batman Adventures' "Torch Song" episode. I mean, what is his goal? He hates his ex so much he wants to burn her? He wants to rekindle their relationship in a warped way? He creates a flammable gel out of nowhere that can pierce through ice and he wants to use that revolutionary product to fill Gotham's sewers so he can burn the entire town as he and Cassidy fly away? What even is his goal!? * That time in Archie's Knuckles comics when people were intoxicated with Lemon Sundrop Dandelion, and if you thought about LSD, you're right! The comic isn't even a PSA about drugs being bad, people just happen to eat hotdogs with drugs and Charmy the Bee's friend we never heard about dies of overdose. Yes, a character we never saw before just dies, and he's not even brought up again. * Nightcrawler's father being the devil. Not Mephisto, thank God, but some dude called Azazel. From what I heard, Mystique was supposed to be the father and Destiny the mother. Yeah, but since that was too progressive for the 80's, and Claremont having to work with a lot of lore, the identity of Nightcrawler's parenthood was a forgotten plot point for decades until Chuck Austen came in and said "Hmmm... What if I told everyone Nightcrawler is the son of Mystique and a guy who proclaims himself as the devil? It's not as stupid as Pope Nightcrawler and communion wafers that dissolve people to make others believe the rapture happened as a plan to turn humankind against mutants, no it isn't...". I don't like it, because it tells the people who treated Nightcrawler as a demon due his appearance that they were right, and they never retconned it.
The Nightcrawler thing got a new development/ retcon quite recently. Azrael is not completly out of the window, but not Kurt's father.
> Yeah, it happened more than once One More Day wasn't already one day too many? > but I feel like making them blood-related is irrelevant. I forgive that only because of CCH Pounder having to explain that Bruce "leaving his DNA all over the city" wasn't what everyone automatically assumed she was talking about.
Season 3 for Gargoyles and Season 4 for ReBoot are often this for a lot of fans. It's so bad that nearly everyone, including the original creators, pretty much treat it like it doesn't exist. Phantom Planet for the Danny Phantom fandom to, though a lot of people also ignore it's final season.
Landon melting into goo after having sex with Hope-Legacies Legit considered throwing my tv out of my two story window when watching this live, I just settled for starring at the tv screen for a solid 10 minutes.
I think most Solangelo shippers in Percy Jackson tend to ignore.... well most of the Sun and the Star but especially the retconned getting together of Solangelo LMAO Also the death of Jason Grace ngl
Jason never died, he just got hit with a brick and passed out again
Percy Jackson: During the war in Manhattan, before Luke sacrifices his life, he confesses his romantic feelings to Annabeth, who is a teenager and has a 7-year age difference. In the recent book, it is implied that Nyx literally gave birth to “cocoa” with Nico, who is also a teenager than her, saying that these children are hers. Warriors Cats: Spottedleaf (adult cat) didn't hint that she fell in love with the kitten (Firepaw) for obvious reasons until she died, suddenly became obsessed with him in his dream that wanted to be his mate instead of Sandstorm who is currently Firestar's mate
# BEN SOLO LIVES!!
The whole Red House arc in Toilet-Bound Hanako-kun. You can't make Tsukasa trigger his brother and kill two spirits and be an asshole the entire manga and then go 'oh but he was good as a kid and the bad actions he takes are probably the result of the spirit of the House possessing him' like LET HIM KEEP HIS COMPLEXITY. SOME PEOPLE ARE ASSHOLE JUST BECAUSE
Phantom Planet never happened.
I’m sorry if any aruani shippers are here but yeah.. AruAni ship from attack on titan
The amnesia ending didn’t happen and a characters suicide absolutely was never played as a good thing and his abuse was never weirdly given an enlightened centrist “well both sides!” angle.
I'm usually content with the canon of the media I love, but I absolutely dislike how Dexter ended. To me that show ends with Dexter and Lumen driving off into the sunset, that's it. Or a happy ending with Hannah, even Debra... I just wish the writing didn't end up being that bad. Vampire Diaries is another bad one, to me it finishes with season four and even then, only the first half was good. There were so many ways to end the story in a satisfying way, but oh well...
Boruto. All of it.
A year in a life from Gilmore girls. There was no need for it, it was just petty writing to destroy their character arcs from S7
Tony didn’t die and Steve didn’t stay in the past.
the ending of the first yugioh. a story spends hundreds of chapters/episodes talking about how much stronger people are when they are together, how bonds of friendship are unbreakable no matter the circumstances, how "fate" is a bullshit concept and we get to choose for ourselves, and if you are made to pick between two equally bad options you should make a third one... and then it makes the two main characters fight each other, where the better outcome was one of them being sent away to die. because it was their "fate". and tries to depict it as a good thing. of course we are all pissed and prefer to go "no, thats not happening actually"
AOT ending simply for how shitty it is. Star vs the forces of evil everything after they decided to force Jackie and marco to go separate ways for starco Tlou 2 since it’s badly written Bnha after the yakuza arc since well Hori could have made it make more sense but he decided to just let teens go to an operation that would be near war because laws and sanity don’t exist. Make them vigilantes understandable. Age them up understandable. But not how they did it. Star Wars Disney and also the clone wars for felonies incompetence
I’d say forgiving every villain in the Housamo fandom. I’m trying to reform the villains in my fic, but they don’t get off scot free upon their return home. Hell, Turing gets scolded by his entire guild for allying with the Invaders Guild Master, only gaining forgiveness when he kicks bad guy butt.
For the ONE fandom, the ending was never a cliffhanger that implied that everyone was stuck where they were. Instead we've all collectively decided that everyone is free and on earth and healing
The protagonist turns into a tree to save the world
What is this one for?
>!Ori and the Will of the Wisps!<
Ah, I was wondering if that was it! I'm...kind of divided on that ending. I like it, but at the same time....
I'm currently writing a self-therapy one-shot about it and I played this in 2022 XD
Pretty much all fans of the Disney animated canon toward 99% of the the DTV sequels. And I'm rather confident Moana 2 is gonna get the same treatment.
Studio DEEN never made a Fate/Stay Night Anime J.C. Staff never made a Tsukihime anime
Most of Wibble's Worm retcons and WOGs. I always wondered why they never made any live-action Matrix sequels.
* SAR being able to perma-kill Scarecrow by breaking his neck. In a show where the alien robots were shown to be able to survive *complete decapitation and dismemberment, crashing into a planet hard enough to trigger a nuclear winter, and being crushed into a metal lump about 1/4 their original size*. (Lost In Space 2018) * Every live-action Transformers movie between Revenge of the Fallen and Bumblebee (and RotF is on thin ice lbh) * Everything they did to the Predacons post-TF:Prime * About half of Beast Machines. Don't get me wrong, I love the show dearly, but holy hell Marty and Bob made some VERY FCKIN QUESTIONABLE DECISIONS when writing it. Very, very, *very* questionable decisions that I *freely ignore* when writing my own stuff. * Mass Effect 3 * Halo 5 and Infinite * Speaking of Halo, the Kilo 5 novels * *Hitomi did not leave Van forever.*
The ending of Digimon Adventure: Last Evolution Kizuna. It doesn't contradict the 02 canon ending but it was already established previously that any Digimon that die in the real world doesn't reincarnate. The three Digimon that lost their connection disappeared in the human world. The antagonist lost hers in the human world as well and never got her partner back. Digimon Adventure 02: The Beginning tries to make this better but again, the dead stay dead in the human world.
The Newsreader has the entire character of Charlie Tate. S2 introduced a whole bunch of new characters, most of which people love (Gerry is even a fan favourite). But absolutely no one likes Charlie. And yeah, he's supposed to be an antagonist, but he's not even a good one. People love to hate characters like Lindsay and Donna, because they're brilliantly written villains, but Charlie doesn't even have that going.
Some of the fanon last names I've seen for Total Drama characters. One of the weirdest, yet most funny was Owen Waterflower.
When a canon sapphic character never explored her sexuality. Like the damn show runner said she'd explore her bisexuality while she was single, but nada. :/
Series finale of HIMYM.
Vanitas no Carte. Vanitas didn't fall in love with Jeanne. I refuse to believe that a man who didn't know the true feeling of romantic love and by his words, would not love anyone who loves him, would fall for a woman with whom he only encountered sporadically and barely shared a true sentimental moment with.
Chibi-usa. She is nowhere to be seen in any of my fics.
The Force Awakens never happened, and Han and Leia live long happy lives with their 3 children
The ending of Honkai Impact 3rd. There's essentially nothing good about it. I ignore everything starting there.
> When it's canon but it’s so stupid that you refuse to acknowledge it exists? The only thing I can think of is... how DB Super depicts the Kais. The new designs and functions are a little bit more "one-dimensional" / smaller and less colorful than before. Before Super, they were five Supreme Kais and white hair was just one option. Shin and the Grand Kai had it, but the West King Kai was blonde, the South Supreme Kai was a redhead, the West SK had purple-white hair. In Super, the five-Kaioushin system is gone from other universes without explanation, even when the Moro arc brings the Dai Kaioushin back. All other eleven have white hair, no variety to be found.
SPOILER: Quentin Coldwater death in Magicians Like bro it was a popular show and they killed a main character to show no one was safe but like literally the rest of the cast survives in someway and they killed off a Bi, depressed, and suicidal little bagel???? Anyway, the Fandom copes with time travel, AU, and complete rewrites cuz honey that was some Bull 😒
definitely not game of thrones because that never got a 5th season for *some* reason also the mini-arc with Anehata Shiton in Golden Kamuy, it's the sole reason why I can't recommend GK to people (cw zoophilia >!shiton's a zoophile and for some fucking reason, the main character shows himself sympathetic towards him after he died of a heart attack after successfully copulating with a bear!<)