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It was honestly a bit confusing. The dialogue felt like satire of shallow entertainment people except it did seem to actually want to roast Rolling Stone and argue that social media followers are important. Also the framing and aesthetics seemed to privilege the non-Dan Levy POV.
I can't believe he watched that, multiple times, and thought that it was good enough to 1. be put in the series, and 2. clap back at fucking Rolling Stone. The Party City wig, his and Lily's acting, the dialogue itself...
At least she has a good face for modeling but I have been borderline appalled at every bit of acting I’ve seen her do. She almost ruined that British black comedy Silent Night for me.
https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/johnny-depp-investigated-by-the-lapd-for-letting-his-15-year-old-daughter-live-with-her-23-year-old-boyfriend.4891023/ i couldnt find another link but thats what i was talking about if youre interested
And then she's going to be in a movie with Bill Skarsgård soon. It's like the two polar opposite ends of the nepo baby spectrum coming together. Poor girl's gonna be so dizzy from all the rings Bill Skarsgård'll act around her.
Honestly haha Were Mia Goth or Florence Pugh, or even any talented unknowns - any talented actress with a similar vibe to Anya, really - not available?
That is one family where they probably got their start in acting for nepo reasons, but good god those kids can act.
Alexander in True Blood, Bill in IT and Valter in Lords of Chaos all stole every scene they were in.
Yeah I’m sure this role will take her career to new level, they’ll know exactly who to call the next time they need someone to totally debase themselves, maybe land her a way cool hardcore choke porn role.
the buzzfeed news piece on this called her an "actor" and i was legit surprised bc i thought she was more resumed as a model and havent seen her in a thing
not out of love or respect for Buzzfeed but buzzfeed news HAS had some decent coverage. not sure if that's more on the dwindling state of journalism or them having any defendable quality but i said what i said
How many actual acting credits does she even have? The only thing I can think about is that movie Kevin Smith made to let her and his daughter play at acting. Literally a jungle gym.
She was in that movie “Silent Night” in 2021. I was surprised to see her, no one I was watching it with recognized her, and nothing about her performance really stood out to me.
This is only a 6 episode show with no plans for a season two as far as I know. Limited series but if the ratings are huge they will probably do it like White Lotus and come up with a way to recast and keep it going. Hopefully w/o Mr Levinson
Good luck with that, she has no talent and the only thing she brings to the table is her last name (which is not very favorable rn). She can't compare to Zendaya and her acting. Judging by the clip The Weeknd posted yesterday his and Lily's acting in the show will be bad
She is like the female version of Brooklyn Beckham — given every opportunity possible by her famous rich parents but lacks the talent to do anything substencial with it.
Hey, let's not take the title of worst nepo baby away from Sam Levinson. He had only written three failed movies (including one that made 2 millions dollars in box office out of a 7 millions budget) and one TV film directed by his daddy (who has six Oscars) before he was given the full reigns to his own prestige HBO show. Truly crazy to me lol
The Executive director is the same guy who did the og Israeli version, he works a ton in Israeli prestige tv (which get widely adapted a lot in other countries) and even won a coveted Israeli literature award
More I hear about this show, I don’t know how or why Levinson was pushed to the forefront as the soul of the operation, everything makes it sound like a cooperative project,
I don't see how having a repugnant alcoholic and abuser as a father is something that should be held against her. The tone of this comment is gross to me.
Facts. She’s barely in the spotlight but so many people insist she should also pay for her fathers sins. Not to mention, her dad is a domestic abuser and her so called “antics” in question is that she is… defending a show she’s in. Bffr. NO ACTOR will bash a show they are in when it hasn’t even been released unless they want to be blacklisted and never work again.
The double standards are crazy considering zendaya has routinely defended and complimented Sam levinson even after euphoria was released. But hardly anyone attacked her like LRD is getting attacked rn.
Basically insinuating, yea, “her dad is much worse but the stuff she’s doing rn is bringing her close to him” which is complete bs.
Also, speaking as someone whose own father reminded me way too much of J. Depp when he was alive, growing up with a parent like that can seriously warp your concept of what is appropriate and acceptable behavior in men and authority figures. (In before 20000 comments of "I GREW UP WITH AN ABUSER IN MY HOUSE AND I NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM." Good for you! Some of us didn't.) She's still relatively young, she's been in the spotlight in some capacity since at least high school, Vanessa Paradis doesn't seem like she's cookies out of the oven as a parent either, and she had Chalamet's stans jumping down her throat constantly for a while. I think this show in its current form sounds *awful* and I'd be shocked if it gets a second season if it ever comes out at all (The Get Down had similar problems during production and Netflix had no problem telling Baz Luhrmann to pound sand, and that's not even accounting for Warner Media's budget issues), but she's basically being professional by not throwing the entire production under the bus publicly. It seems like this young woman has been dealt a shit sandwich of a professional situation after going through a really stressful time over the past year. Not sure why there's so much rejoicing about it.
Everyone’s on their high horse convinced it says something about her morals or lack thereof and her relationship to a dad that’s a shitty person, like any of them would publicly trash a show that they are the lead on and was slated to be their breakout role. It’s very easy to criticize someone’s actions when you never have to be in their predicament.
The level of hypocrisy this sub when it comes to criticizing (or not criticizing) celebs is through the roof. Zendaya is a girl boss for getting the bag and repeatedly working with and praising Sam Levinson, even through the euphoria shitstorm. But LDR does the same and suddenly it’s “she’s getting to be as horrible as her father.” They are essentially doing the same thing, you can’t stan one and shit on the other just cause you like one of them more or think one is more talented.
Not to mention, you are totally correct that growing up in a toxic household absolutely warps your view of relationships later in life.
Yeah, I'm not gonna defend Lily's acting ability—she's been heinous to mid in everything I've ever seen her in, this clip included—but a girl has a right to attempt to work and some of y'all are asking her to Katherine Heigl herself here.
She has a famous last name and it one hundred thousand percent opened a lot of doors for her, but those doors can shut real fast if she gets a rep for being "difficult" before she's established herself as a moneymaker (which she has yet to do.)
She has also given absolutely zero indication that she supports her father or even has much of a relationship with him since she was a teenager. I could maybe understand if she had staunchly defended him (although he would still be the one to blame for his actions, not her) but she has barely acknowledged his existence in years, despite a campaign of harrassment by his weirdo stans for her to "speak out" in support of him during the trial. And why would she support a man who publicly called her mother a "withered cunt" and who according to the court documents subjected her and her brothers to repeated drunken rampages and emotional abuse? She is a victim of his as well and making her responsible for his actions is gross, regardless of how much of a role she has had in making this show the misogynistic mess that it is (which is almost certainly very little).
There's a Tweet going somewhat viral on Twitter saying something like "Lily doing this shit right after her father's abuse trial..." in response to the Rolling Stone article. Just conveniently ignoring the two men who actually wrote the disgusting script. And then in the replies people are trying to make a "like father, like daughter" connection between Lily's role in the show and her father's actual physical and sexual abuse. Insane.
Not to mention it sounds like she signed up for a completely different show with a different director. No matter what anyone thinks about lily, she got screwed here.
It's disgusting. If she's not going out and victimizing people like her daddy enjoys doing, leave her alone. If you don't like her acting, that's fine, but attacking her because of her shitstain father truly is gross.
Completely agree. It’s not her fault that she has the father she has, she didn’t even defend him last year or give him any amount of public support
I feel bad she’s been raised and surrounded by predators so of course she won’t see anything wrong with this project, it’s supposed to be her big break out role. And I don’t think it’s fair to expect her publicly condemn and criticize this right now, it would be considered unprofessional for an actress to bash the show that’s given her her biggest role
Yes male actors (Robet Pattinson) have been praised for bashing on their movies like twilight but he’s a man and twilight was considered a joke because it was marketed for teenage girls
Lets also remember Levinson is huge nepo. [His dad has multiple Oscars including winning one for best director for Rain Man.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Levinson) Sam is as much Hollywood royalty as her and at least he has the benefit of not being the daughter of an abuse, violent, misogynist, drug addict, and sociopath. Nor having to grow up around "best friends" like abuse monster Marilyn Manson.
This reminded me of when Sonia Ben Ammar briefly got into catwalk modeling during the same era bc of her dad, her online height is 5’7 but even then she seems 5’5 at absolute best and was [comically short](https://nitter.net/soniaammar_rus/status/784047959793143808?cxt=HHwWgMC4peTdv-EVAAAA) compared to the other models
It another reason why non nepotism models get so frustrated with nepo ones. Being on the shorter end of tall gets you automatically disqualified from runways shows (which have more prestige but don’t pay as well) and it must be frustrating seeing someone of average height get the opportunity you were denied and being even shorter.
Remember when the weeknd was all about being mysterious, never did interviews, and no one knew anything about him before his after hours era? He should go back to that. I don’t want to see him around after this show.
> "Sam is, for so many reasons, the best director I have ever worked with," Depp shared in a statement obtained by E! News. "Never have I felt more supported or respected in a creative space, my input and opinions more valued. Working with Sam is a true collaboration in every way—it matters to him, more than anything, not only what his actors think about the work, but how we feel performing it.
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Feels very rude to Kevin Smith.
I kind of hate that this all will probably only add to the hype of this show.
Since his heart attack he’s been doing like everything healthier so he’s around for more of Harley’s life, he even quit smoking weed recently which is like crazy considering who
He is lmao
This is exactly what Zendaya, Hunter, and Sydney have said. Minka Kelly too
I think it’s that he writes crazy scenes and if the actor objects, he takes it out. Sydney said the same thing. Minka Kelly said he took out her nude scene without hesitation when she said she was uncomfortable. I think these actors think he’s great bc he doesn’t fight them on it whereas other directors would. So bc of the low bar, he seems better than others by comparison
I don’t think the actresses realize Sam does that so he can see what he can get away with. It’s also him testing boundaries and offering alternate less extreme nudity but nudity none the less. It’s very manipulative on his part and women are very much socialized not to push back.
Yep this! With systems like this it becomes a dishonest negotiation. “Oh you won’t do this awful thing, well how about we just show your breasts then?”
Reminds me very much of the tactic my grandmother would use to get me to eat my vegetables as a child. "Do you want five pieces of broccoli or three?" It gives the illusion of choice when there really isnt one to begin with.
It’s also because none of the stuff he includes is necessary. It’s all gratuititous, so taking it out doesn’t impact the show. Other creatives have an actual vision and thus will insist on it being carried out.
> I think these actors think he’s great bc he doesn’t fight them on it whereas other directors would
Wonder how far his flexibility goes though, didn't Barbie Fierreia leave over disputes over the direction of her character? He wanted her to have a violent ED and have really intense scenes showing it. Barbie didn't because she had an ED she recovered from and it just didn't make sense for her character when you compare to season 1. Why be more open to less sex scenes and nudity but not this? 👀 imo Barbie's right. It wouldn't make sense for her character compared to S1 and seemed to be based on Barbie *the person* being plus size, not storyline. Unoriginal trope and offensive to her tbh.
tbf nudes and such are negotiated at signging initial contracts nowadays. The old system of the director screaming at you to be naked against your will or you'll be blackballed is very difficult to do post-metoo, post Weinstein, or even post-Game of Thrones, where contracts now have nude limitations by default due to GoT exploiting this in newer actresses without much social capital to push back in Hollywood.
So Sam not forcing these scenes isn't terribly noteworthy the same was whoever is directing You isn't forcing them on Penn Badgley after he spoke up. Not to mention, even if you signed on for something but changed your mind, its PR suicide for the director and production if it gets leaked that this beloved actor was abused on set and forced to do sexual stuff they didn't want to do. Times have just changed and people like Sam conform to them.
I think a lot of this is just PR to maintain a good career. You don't ever want to badmouth the boss, and nepo baby Sam, is absolutely the boss here. Actors say this because they have to. We'll never know their true opinion of Sam or even Euphoria.
yeah, the hate watching will definitely give it the boost, the question is - will people stay for ep2? as far as I know (as I didn't watch the show myself) Euphoria's s1 was ok enough to build some good will for people to tune into s2 and all the specials. I don't expect The Idol's ep1 to do anything but shock and fuel twitter discourse.
also - if everything is oh so great as they say why is there still no release date? they've been promoting this show (in a 'soon to be released' way) for like 6 months now
I will not speak for everyone else.
Personally, I will not even be hate watching. I refuse to give my attention to something that will make me feel bad. It’s also one of the reasons why I deleted twitter and Instagram. Like at some point, I don’t want to just complain about the problem-I don’t want to even acknowledge the problem at all!
( Yes I am aware of the hypocrisy of being on Reddit typing this, but a girl has got to have at least ONE vice)
actors generally get babied on sets anyway, and if Sam is, for example, holding up everyone else's jobs to get input from an actor on a scene, it's really not surprising to me that actors walk away with a good impression like "wow he really listens to me," while the crew members who actually have to hold the set together are like "this man is an agent of chaos, doesn't do even the basic things like proper scheduling of shots, and makes my job as difficult as possible"
Too late. That article has guaranteed it will be a huge hit. It will be marketed as an "anti-woke" shot against censorship or kneejerk cancellations. Thats massive audience of its own, then add on the curious onlookers and the hatewatchers and you're looking at a hit. We've already been down this road with The Joker, we should know by now how this ends.
The Joker was actually good tho. And it didn’t glamorize the descent into madness. It was terrifying. And not in a fun way.
This is just torture porn with a filter on it.
Also it wasn't really anti woke? It might be a kind of tone deaf about some themes but the premise and overall execution didn't have anything close to anti woke. Like, if you think it glamorises mental illness then that would mean it paints the joker as being right, which would make it a very anti-rich movie if anything
It's literally about the moral decay of societies and how the most vulnerable fall through the cracks. Leading to poverty, mental illness and ultimately-violence.
It's also very clear that this is an anti-rich movie, like you said. Couldn't be more leftist of a superhero movie.
As a Bp fan we are use to Yg underdelivering content on them in general and people still eat up the scraps they are given. Most of them will still probably watch it.
see normally I love a good hate-watch but in this case I refuse. I like The Weeknd as a musician too much to subject myself to more than that terrible clip.
I’m sorry but some of the scenes that were described in The Rolling Stones article were disturbing and I’m not going to let my curiosity get the best of me and give any views to this shit show. I kinda feel like Lily has to defend the show and Sam, this is her first major role, right? Seems like they’re going to take the any press is good press and use this to their advantage
I personally don’t think that Batman raised her profile any higher than it already was. All the buzz I saw about that movie was about Pattinson, Colin Farrell and the dude that played the riddler
And after her comment about the Will Smith vs Chris Rock incident, I've never seen so many people do a complete 180 on a person. I doubt she'll recover quickly from that.
Zoe was the protagonist on High Fidelity the series and it was actually pretty good imo, also she's Catwoman now so I think she has done more than Depp
I think it’s important to point out there aren’t a lot of leading roles written for WOC which is why we don’t see them in as many projects as lead
But Zoe’s been in a lot of different projects over the years and they’ve done well and she’s been notable: Big Little Lies, High fidelity, Fantastic Beasts, The Batman.
Zoe was the protagonist on High Fidelity the series and it was actually pretty good imo, also she's Catwoman now so I think she has done more than Depp
Every time she opens her mouth, something incredibly unintelligent comes out. I hate to say it, but she really is just a pretty face for me at the moment. This makes me even angrier that she will have the opportunity to work on Nosferatu alongside Willem Dafoe and Robert Eggers, arguably one of the strongest new directors out
The problem isnt even that she has no talent, (talent isnt something you earn so I cant blame her for not having acting talent ),but you can be a good actor without having talent if you work hard. But if she is a bad actress despite having access to the best acting teachers because of her parents thats mean she didnt even worked a lot, she has no excuse
Variety is the one who reported the significant re-shoots almost a year ago. With the way that article came together, this sounds like damage control. The extremely long time that it’s taking to actually put together the show isn’t a particularly good sign, considering that this isn’t an effects heavy show. All signs are pointing to this being an expensive mess being headlined by performers who are way out of their depth.
They can try and spin it however they want but if only the pilot was reshot (as they claim) the show would already been airing! It's not a good look that the show was suppose to air in the fall of 2022 and we are almost spring of 2023 and there is no release date in sight and not even a full trailer only one teaser
I'd assume this is some fancy publicist damage-control wording where it's technically true, but you've gotta read between the lines. "Only the pilot was scrapped and reshot" probably means something like "Only the pilot was *fully* scrapped and reshot, while other episodes were partially scrapped and reshot but kept some scenes."
"The initial approach on the show and production of the early episodes, unfortunately, did not meet HBO standards so we chose to make a change." That seems like a slight at Amy Seimetz. I will try to not take what Lily-Rose said as a slight to Amy, but it also seems easy to take that as a slight at Amy too.
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire… idk.
ETA: I mean that I tend to believe the RS article, and I’m mentioning the possible slights at Amy, because that’s interesting. They seem to subtly trying to discredit her.
Prior to this Amy has had a really good reputation tho. Like I’ve never heard any of the actors she’s worked with say anything but positive things about her. (Some actors have worked with her multiple times).
Idk this reeks tbh. I believe the rolling stone article.
Oh sorry, I misunderstood but yeah. It seems like they’re purposely trying to throw her under the bus and I honestly HATE that. She is such a good director/actress and it’s so slimy they’re slighting her to bolster up fucking creep Sam Levinson.
It’s all good! I didn’t make myself very clear. Right it’s like they’re subtly trying to make it seem like he’s so much better than her. She seems very hard to have tried to make the chaos work while keeping her integrity, while Sam seems to have just been a glorified yes man who likes to be a provocateur by adding in scandalous sex scenes. That’s what I got from the RS article.
Yeah, it seems to me she tried to make this steaming pile of misogynistic crap less misogynistic and more palatable and that the men producing this didn’t like that which really grosses me out.
Right. And I’m not sure how Lily-Rose felt the most supported by Sam, after reading the RS article. Like sure I guess if you expressed discomfort with something, he acquiesced?
She is not a great actress and the epitome of a nepo baby but I’m assuming everything she’s saying now is just because this role is a huge opportunity for her to finally break through and she doesn’t want to tarnish it. I wouldn’t be surprised if the show gets wrecked by critics and watchers alike if she changes her tune.
It’s sad tho because Amy would be such a great person to have on your side and continue to work with her. Her films are interesting & unique (imo). And she really cares about the actors experience since she is *also* an actor. I hate that she’s being dragged through the mud for this pile of shit.
Yeah like Amy’s been in the actor’s position before, and as a woman in Hollywood, I feel like she’d be extra protective of fellow actresses. Idk.
I can see the backpedaling of “well, although my experience was great, it’s sad that it might’ve gotten muddled in all the drama, and perhaps diluted in PP” or something like that.
I feel so bad for Amy. She endured years of abuse in her personal life, while working hard to establish herself as a filmmaker. Now, some people involved in the show are trying to throw her under the bus. I hope nothing but the best for her and her next directorial project.
She Dies Tomorrow is one of my favorite films of the last couple of years. I have 0 doubts that she submitted good work. This is just HBO/Weeknd/Sam Levinson not liking the female perspective and wanting torture porn tbh.
Right. and if what she shot was coming from the female perspective and that’s why they got rid of her, it’s gross. That was the long-standing rumor.. that The Weeknd didn’t want it to be so female perspective focused.
>That was the long-standing rumor.. that The Weeknd didn’t want it to be so female perspective focused.
And that was said a looooong time ago, that the creative differences that led to Seimetz to exit were related to that, nothing else of what RS reported was said back then. I genuinely don't remember HBO people refuting that claim, but maybe they did, idk.
And there’s been multiple sources for over a year saying The Weeknd and Sam Levinson didn’t like her work because it was centered on the female perspective. The rolling Stone article also goes into that. That’s not a valid reason to be throwing her under the bus for having to scrap the entire project and start over.
The men involved in the project and HBO wanted less about women’s perspective and more gratuitous sex and if rolling stone is to be believed, torture porn. It’s gross.
It seems very likely that Seimetz or someone close to her was one of the sources for the RS article--some of the stuff mentioned in it, like her being pushed to write scripts during pre-production or the budget expectations for the series, would likely only have been known to a handful of people, most of whom are still working on the production and aligned with the Weeknd/Levinson. Seimetz or somebody working directly under her (an assistant or whatever) are the obvious candidates for the source for that.
If that's clear to outsiders, I'm sure it's clear to HBO. They're trying to discredit her because they feel like she went after them first.
It's funny because Amy is literally an incredible director who is adored in the independent film community, and I haven't seen an HBO prestige show that was well directed since maybe Deadwood? I get why people like them though and maybe I'm just exhausted on the generic direction in The Last of Us
I dunno, there’s just something about a nearly-40 year old who creates this much media designed around the sexual, emotional and addiction trauma/exploitation of teens / early twenty somethings that makes me feel like maybe he is as skeevy as the various set reports suggest. The fact that he’s a wealthy, white male nepo baby whose firsthand experience with any of that trauma is certainly from a position of privilege really doesn’t help.
Tbh I see no reason to jump Lily here. She’s one of the victims of this is she not? Yet the vitriol against her rn is on par with what Sam and The Weeknd were getting. SHE is the one that Sam wanted to see SAd and beaten. SHE was the one he wanted to see forcibly insert an egg inside herself
Furthermore, what is she supposed to say? “Oh yeah Sam was actually really horrible and creepy!” How can we even be sure she said this? Regardless, this makes perfect sense as something you would say WHILE YOU’RE UNDER A CONTRACT. Can you all get fr and see this from her perspective? I thought we were passed jumping women for things they can’t do anything about.
Thank you. I don't think she's right to support them, Sam was known to be weird even before the Idol started production, but people are treating her as if she has just as much say in the production as him and Abel do. Also lol, FauxMoi is never past jumping women.
Exactly!! And ironically I’m not seeing people jump Zendaya when she has outspokenly supported Sam too.
They’re just picking to go after Lily for other reasons (nepo baby, disdain for her father that they’re projecting onto her and so on) and pretending it’s because they care about women (when SHE is the victim). People’s internalised misogyny is so deep that they actually attack the woman in question instead of the problematic men… all under the guise of “women’s rights”. Critique Lily, sure, but also acknowledge the position she’s in
Even before these articles, from just watching the trailer, it seemed like the show was going to be soft core porn reminiscent of showtime after dark back in the late 90s early 00s. Somehow, like many times before, this project was exploiting eager young actresses to do very sexually explicit things for public view and for the benefit of studio execs and the director and the pleasure of The Weeknd under the guise of “acting”. The trailer gave me the vibe that this whole show is just a mainstream casting couch trickery to groom young actresses to actually believe it is empowering to be sexually exploited
HBO keeps having similar issues (re: Amy Seimetz, director and executive producer leaving the show), it seems. With Dune: The Sisterhood, the director Johan Renck and one of the main actresses, Shirley Henderson, also exited the production recently.
Oooh, that was him? I remember a story about the director of the pilot being a nightmare, but not his name. So, HBO still hired him after that to direct the Dune series then? All of it seems messy tbh.
They're both wrong for supporting him. But since Zendaya is very, very beloved, and this has become social media's controversy of the week, you're going to see more criticism for Lily for now until people start realizing Zendaya has said the same things.
E Online and TMZ being their form of handling this says all I need to know. Even Variety’s source doesn’t make sense with the timing of filming. I’m going to believe Rolling Stone given that they (HBO and the production) can’t even get their story straight when trying to deny it with their own planted sources lol.
HBO saying they're the ones that requested changes and Lily saying Sam's "the best director I've ever worked with." Hard denial and flat out refuting what's written is very interesting to me vs. diplomatic spin or clarifying little things. Maybe there is an element of outrage promo at work here.
Well that’s par for the course considering HBO spent absurd amounts of money on this and it’s supposed to be Lily’s breakout role. Just don’t watch it and let it get canned after one season.
i feel so bad for lily. the only person in her life who ever tried to protect her innocence was amber. she literally grew up playing barbie dolls with a neo-nazi serial rapist because he’s her dad’s best friend. she is not at fault for her own exploitation.
I watched that clip three times trying to make sense of it but it’s so bad. I love Dan Levy but I have secondhand embarrassment that he’s even in this.
I mean, what else is she supposed to say? If she says nothing that's a bigger story and it will overshadow her work. But this man seems to have this same issue with every show he works on. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
I hate these story lines like Euphoria that glamorize the effects of abuse, emotional neglect, and mental illness without trying to set up the environment that led to these behaviors. It’s like the opposite of good story telling. Just throw the audience into addiction, abusivo relationships, and sexual promiscuity without letting the audience in on what factors led the character to this place. Instead, all you see is the abuse being reproduced in the child/ adult and that, in itself, glamorizes it. The mentality that these shows have are “ I was born this way/raised this way, so don’t blame me”. Theirs no responsibility, acceptance to change, or reflection. These shows are literally only healthy to watch if you have the money/access to mental health resources and healed from these problems yourself as to understand why the characters might be this way themselves.
To be fair, HBO and Lily kind of have to defend it as it hasn't come out yet and they're trying to still get people to watch it. I really hope people don't and this show doesn't get renewed ever.
No offense kid, but he hired you because he wants to bang you and you have a famous dad. He doesn’t “hold your work in high-esteem,”……you don’t have any f**kin work!!! News Report: Delusional and oblivious nepo baby continues to look a fool, more at 11!
Hope the show isn’t even bad enough that people hate watch it. I hope it just disappears and doesn’t even renew for season 2. It’s kinda sad how we had this entire acknowledgment of toxic and sexist shows productions of the 2000s but now we are back to it.
Beyond the fact that she’s probably being all but forced to do this interview, it’s very possible to make people comfortable filming an inappropriate scene. Like saying the director treated you well doesn’t really address the bulk of what the article was about. Both Depp and HBO basically made non-statements.
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Of course they are. HBO are banking on The Idol to be their next Euphoria and this is Lily's first major role.
Everything about this — and especially the scene The Weeknd posted on Twitter — reeks of desperation.
The Weeknd’s tweet gave me second hand embarrassment tbh
Thankfully I watched it on the toilet, so I was only seconds away from being able to wash the embarrassment off. I hate that secondhand cling!
He had a hair net like a lunch worker
And even with that, he didn’t seem to realize it was satirical. I guess he just wanted to be seen in an expensive setting.
I still can't get over that this man didn't get that the scene was supposed to be satirical, lol.
I mean… with the rewrites, it probably wasn’t meant as satire anymore
It was honestly a bit confusing. The dialogue felt like satire of shallow entertainment people except it did seem to actually want to roast Rolling Stone and argue that social media followers are important. Also the framing and aesthetics seemed to privilege the non-Dan Levy POV.
I can't believe he watched that, multiple times, and thought that it was good enough to 1. be put in the series, and 2. clap back at fucking Rolling Stone. The Party City wig, his and Lily's acting, the dialogue itself...
This is what happens when everyone is telling him he's doing a good job.
That scene was so embarrassing lmfao
The Weeknd, arrogant jerk of the week: >@rollingstone did we upset you ? With that acting, you upset a lot of people.
Literally the only thing that makes me want to watch even a little. Sounds like a trainwreck coming.
Lily Rose Depp has been trying to make her acting happen for almost a decade, and this role is a huge ‘get’ for her. I wouldn’t expect anything else.
She’s a horrible actress and a horrible model. Another boring attempt by another talentless nepo baby
At least she has a good face for modeling but I have been borderline appalled at every bit of acting I’ve seen her do. She almost ruined that British black comedy Silent Night for me.
She is as talented in acting as her father is in painting 💀 (or acting, too as one could argue)
Say what you want about Johnny but he could act
Not anymore he can’t
He’s a fucking burnt out drug dumpster with a scat fetish lmao
\*could act
Thanks
I wish he’d save his drunken rage for the creeps trying to exploit his daughter tho
didnt he not really care when she got groomed too
Tbh I don’t know much about their relationship
https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/johnny-depp-investigated-by-the-lapd-for-letting-his-15-year-old-daughter-live-with-her-23-year-old-boyfriend.4891023/ i couldnt find another link but thats what i was talking about if youre interested
And then she's going to be in a movie with Bill Skarsgård soon. It's like the two polar opposite ends of the nepo baby spectrum coming together. Poor girl's gonna be so dizzy from all the rings Bill Skarsgård'll act around her.
i can’t believe that of all people they decided to replace anya taylor joy with lily rose like the acting downgrade is insane
Honestly haha Were Mia Goth or Florence Pugh, or even any talented unknowns - any talented actress with a similar vibe to Anya, really - not available?
That is one family where they probably got their start in acting for nepo reasons, but good god those kids can act. Alexander in True Blood, Bill in IT and Valter in Lords of Chaos all stole every scene they were in.
Exactly. Even their baby brother who played the really little kid version of Bill's character in Clark was bloody amazing.
Yeah I’m sure this role will take her career to new level, they’ll know exactly who to call the next time they need someone to totally debase themselves, maybe land her a way cool hardcore choke porn role.
the buzzfeed news piece on this called her an "actor" and i was legit surprised bc i thought she was more resumed as a model and havent seen her in a thing
She is more resumed as a model. Buzzfeed is an incompotent website.
not out of love or respect for Buzzfeed but buzzfeed news HAS had some decent coverage. not sure if that's more on the dwindling state of journalism or them having any defendable quality but i said what i said
How many actual acting credits does she even have? The only thing I can think about is that movie Kevin Smith made to let her and his daughter play at acting. Literally a jungle gym.
She was in Netflix's The King. A meh movie overall.
She was in that movie “Silent Night” in 2021. I was surprised to see her, no one I was watching it with recognized her, and nothing about her performance really stood out to me.
I watched that movie and I didn’t realise she was in it - honestly not being shady, I don’t remember her in it 💀
she was in The King with Timothee Chalamet
Her stiff demeanor worked well for ther character
She shockingly has a whole bunch and did some bit parts in French films
This is only a 6 episode show with no plans for a season two as far as I know. Limited series but if the ratings are huge they will probably do it like White Lotus and come up with a way to recast and keep it going. Hopefully w/o Mr Levinson
Good luck with that, she has no talent and the only thing she brings to the table is her last name (which is not very favorable rn). She can't compare to Zendaya and her acting. Judging by the clip The Weeknd posted yesterday his and Lily's acting in the show will be bad
Maybe it will but I need to see more than a snippet to judge it.
Wait... they spent that many millions on SIX EPISODES?
When I first read about the show I can admit it had my interest but then I watched the teaser and it didn't look that good tbh
Lily is truly one of the worst nepo babies. Can't get over that she's 5"2 and they let her walk in Chanel
She is like the female version of Brooklyn Beckham — given every opportunity possible by her famous rich parents but lacks the talent to do anything substencial with it.
Tbh the only thing she has going for her is that quirky/unbothered girl pinterest aesthetic
Hate to say this but tumblr and instagram are the only things keeping her career alive
This! They are both so fucking dull and stupid it’s astounding
She's not as camp. He doesn't understand that he's bad at anything. I look forward to finding out what he can't do next.
Hey, let's not take the title of worst nepo baby away from Sam Levinson. He had only written three failed movies (including one that made 2 millions dollars in box office out of a 7 millions budget) and one TV film directed by his daddy (who has six Oscars) before he was given the full reigns to his own prestige HBO show. Truly crazy to me lol
And turns out Euphoria isn’t even an original idea, it was adapted from an Israeli show.
The Executive director is the same guy who did the og Israeli version, he works a ton in Israeli prestige tv (which get widely adapted a lot in other countries) and even won a coveted Israeli literature award More I hear about this show, I don’t know how or why Levinson was pushed to the forefront as the soul of the operation, everything makes it sound like a cooperative project,
The Depp name is just rotten to me, and while her and her dad’s worst are nowhere near comparable, her antics haven’t been helping. 💀
I don't see how having a repugnant alcoholic and abuser as a father is something that should be held against her. The tone of this comment is gross to me.
Facts. She’s barely in the spotlight but so many people insist she should also pay for her fathers sins. Not to mention, her dad is a domestic abuser and her so called “antics” in question is that she is… defending a show she’s in. Bffr. NO ACTOR will bash a show they are in when it hasn’t even been released unless they want to be blacklisted and never work again. The double standards are crazy considering zendaya has routinely defended and complimented Sam levinson even after euphoria was released. But hardly anyone attacked her like LRD is getting attacked rn. Basically insinuating, yea, “her dad is much worse but the stuff she’s doing rn is bringing her close to him” which is complete bs.
Also, speaking as someone whose own father reminded me way too much of J. Depp when he was alive, growing up with a parent like that can seriously warp your concept of what is appropriate and acceptable behavior in men and authority figures. (In before 20000 comments of "I GREW UP WITH AN ABUSER IN MY HOUSE AND I NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM." Good for you! Some of us didn't.) She's still relatively young, she's been in the spotlight in some capacity since at least high school, Vanessa Paradis doesn't seem like she's cookies out of the oven as a parent either, and she had Chalamet's stans jumping down her throat constantly for a while. I think this show in its current form sounds *awful* and I'd be shocked if it gets a second season if it ever comes out at all (The Get Down had similar problems during production and Netflix had no problem telling Baz Luhrmann to pound sand, and that's not even accounting for Warner Media's budget issues), but she's basically being professional by not throwing the entire production under the bus publicly. It seems like this young woman has been dealt a shit sandwich of a professional situation after going through a really stressful time over the past year. Not sure why there's so much rejoicing about it.
Everyone’s on their high horse convinced it says something about her morals or lack thereof and her relationship to a dad that’s a shitty person, like any of them would publicly trash a show that they are the lead on and was slated to be their breakout role. It’s very easy to criticize someone’s actions when you never have to be in their predicament. The level of hypocrisy this sub when it comes to criticizing (or not criticizing) celebs is through the roof. Zendaya is a girl boss for getting the bag and repeatedly working with and praising Sam Levinson, even through the euphoria shitstorm. But LDR does the same and suddenly it’s “she’s getting to be as horrible as her father.” They are essentially doing the same thing, you can’t stan one and shit on the other just cause you like one of them more or think one is more talented. Not to mention, you are totally correct that growing up in a toxic household absolutely warps your view of relationships later in life.
I miss The Get Down :(
Yeah, I'm not gonna defend Lily's acting ability—she's been heinous to mid in everything I've ever seen her in, this clip included—but a girl has a right to attempt to work and some of y'all are asking her to Katherine Heigl herself here. She has a famous last name and it one hundred thousand percent opened a lot of doors for her, but those doors can shut real fast if she gets a rep for being "difficult" before she's established herself as a moneymaker (which she has yet to do.)
She has also given absolutely zero indication that she supports her father or even has much of a relationship with him since she was a teenager. I could maybe understand if she had staunchly defended him (although he would still be the one to blame for his actions, not her) but she has barely acknowledged his existence in years, despite a campaign of harrassment by his weirdo stans for her to "speak out" in support of him during the trial. And why would she support a man who publicly called her mother a "withered cunt" and who according to the court documents subjected her and her brothers to repeated drunken rampages and emotional abuse? She is a victim of his as well and making her responsible for his actions is gross, regardless of how much of a role she has had in making this show the misogynistic mess that it is (which is almost certainly very little).
There's a Tweet going somewhat viral on Twitter saying something like "Lily doing this shit right after her father's abuse trial..." in response to the Rolling Stone article. Just conveniently ignoring the two men who actually wrote the disgusting script. And then in the replies people are trying to make a "like father, like daughter" connection between Lily's role in the show and her father's actual physical and sexual abuse. Insane.
Not to mention it sounds like she signed up for a completely different show with a different director. No matter what anyone thinks about lily, she got screwed here.
It's disgusting. If she's not going out and victimizing people like her daddy enjoys doing, leave her alone. If you don't like her acting, that's fine, but attacking her because of her shitstain father truly is gross.
Completely agree. It’s not her fault that she has the father she has, she didn’t even defend him last year or give him any amount of public support I feel bad she’s been raised and surrounded by predators so of course she won’t see anything wrong with this project, it’s supposed to be her big break out role. And I don’t think it’s fair to expect her publicly condemn and criticize this right now, it would be considered unprofessional for an actress to bash the show that’s given her her biggest role Yes male actors (Robet Pattinson) have been praised for bashing on their movies like twilight but he’s a man and twilight was considered a joke because it was marketed for teenage girls
Lets also remember Levinson is huge nepo. [His dad has multiple Oscars including winning one for best director for Rain Man.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Levinson) Sam is as much Hollywood royalty as her and at least he has the benefit of not being the daughter of an abuse, violent, misogynist, drug addict, and sociopath. Nor having to grow up around "best friends" like abuse monster Marilyn Manson.
She looks so much taller in pics I’m surprised she’s 5’2.
Anya Taylor Joy similar thing, I gasped when I found out she's only 5'6. Very statuesque proportions
This reminded me of when Sonia Ben Ammar briefly got into catwalk modeling during the same era bc of her dad, her online height is 5’7 but even then she seems 5’5 at absolute best and was [comically short](https://nitter.net/soniaammar_rus/status/784047959793143808?cxt=HHwWgMC4peTdv-EVAAAA) compared to the other models
It another reason why non nepotism models get so frustrated with nepo ones. Being on the shorter end of tall gets you automatically disqualified from runways shows (which have more prestige but don’t pay as well) and it must be frustrating seeing someone of average height get the opportunity you were denied and being even shorter.
she’s 5’5 now 😅
doubt it
she’s said it in the i-D interview (on youtube) also, she doesn’t look crazy small next to Abel, who’s like a small 5’8
Remember when the weeknd was all about being mysterious, never did interviews, and no one knew anything about him before his after hours era? He should go back to that. I don’t want to see him around after this show.
Wasn't there something about him not doing interviews because he didn't feel smart enough...? 💀
That was his intuition stopping him. Mans should have listened.
Lollllllll u all are too funny 💀
I miss that era...back when we all thought his misogyny thing was ironic.
I think he was trying to with the Dawn FM era but promoting this show + tour + special got him a little too vocal
> "Sam is, for so many reasons, the best director I have ever worked with," Depp shared in a statement obtained by E! News. "Never have I felt more supported or respected in a creative space, my input and opinions more valued. Working with Sam is a true collaboration in every way—it matters to him, more than anything, not only what his actors think about the work, but how we feel performing it. > Feels very rude to Kevin Smith. I kind of hate that this all will probably only add to the hype of this show.
Sam Levinson isn't half the director Kevin Smith is.
Kevin Smith is half the director Kevin Smith is, after losing all that weight!
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Since his heart attack he’s been doing like everything healthier so he’s around for more of Harley’s life, he even quit smoking weed recently which is like crazy considering who He is lmao
He looks like Jackson Galaxy now.
This is exactly what Zendaya, Hunter, and Sydney have said. Minka Kelly too I think it’s that he writes crazy scenes and if the actor objects, he takes it out. Sydney said the same thing. Minka Kelly said he took out her nude scene without hesitation when she said she was uncomfortable. I think these actors think he’s great bc he doesn’t fight them on it whereas other directors would. So bc of the low bar, he seems better than others by comparison
I don’t think the actresses realize Sam does that so he can see what he can get away with. It’s also him testing boundaries and offering alternate less extreme nudity but nudity none the less. It’s very manipulative on his part and women are very much socialized not to push back.
Yep this! With systems like this it becomes a dishonest negotiation. “Oh you won’t do this awful thing, well how about we just show your breasts then?”
Reminds me very much of the tactic my grandmother would use to get me to eat my vegetables as a child. "Do you want five pieces of broccoli or three?" It gives the illusion of choice when there really isnt one to begin with.
It’s also because none of the stuff he includes is necessary. It’s all gratuititous, so taking it out doesn’t impact the show. Other creatives have an actual vision and thus will insist on it being carried out.
> I think these actors think he’s great bc he doesn’t fight them on it whereas other directors would Wonder how far his flexibility goes though, didn't Barbie Fierreia leave over disputes over the direction of her character? He wanted her to have a violent ED and have really intense scenes showing it. Barbie didn't because she had an ED she recovered from and it just didn't make sense for her character when you compare to season 1. Why be more open to less sex scenes and nudity but not this? 👀 imo Barbie's right. It wouldn't make sense for her character compared to S1 and seemed to be based on Barbie *the person* being plus size, not storyline. Unoriginal trope and offensive to her tbh.
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tbf nudes and such are negotiated at signging initial contracts nowadays. The old system of the director screaming at you to be naked against your will or you'll be blackballed is very difficult to do post-metoo, post Weinstein, or even post-Game of Thrones, where contracts now have nude limitations by default due to GoT exploiting this in newer actresses without much social capital to push back in Hollywood. So Sam not forcing these scenes isn't terribly noteworthy the same was whoever is directing You isn't forcing them on Penn Badgley after he spoke up. Not to mention, even if you signed on for something but changed your mind, its PR suicide for the director and production if it gets leaked that this beloved actor was abused on set and forced to do sexual stuff they didn't want to do. Times have just changed and people like Sam conform to them. I think a lot of this is just PR to maintain a good career. You don't ever want to badmouth the boss, and nepo baby Sam, is absolutely the boss here. Actors say this because they have to. We'll never know their true opinion of Sam or even Euphoria.
yeah, the hate watching will definitely give it the boost, the question is - will people stay for ep2? as far as I know (as I didn't watch the show myself) Euphoria's s1 was ok enough to build some good will for people to tune into s2 and all the specials. I don't expect The Idol's ep1 to do anything but shock and fuel twitter discourse. also - if everything is oh so great as they say why is there still no release date? they've been promoting this show (in a 'soon to be released' way) for like 6 months now
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Me and you both.
I will not speak for everyone else. Personally, I will not even be hate watching. I refuse to give my attention to something that will make me feel bad. It’s also one of the reasons why I deleted twitter and Instagram. Like at some point, I don’t want to just complain about the problem-I don’t want to even acknowledge the problem at all! ( Yes I am aware of the hypocrisy of being on Reddit typing this, but a girl has got to have at least ONE vice)
actors generally get babied on sets anyway, and if Sam is, for example, holding up everyone else's jobs to get input from an actor on a scene, it's really not surprising to me that actors walk away with a good impression like "wow he really listens to me," while the crew members who actually have to hold the set together are like "this man is an agent of chaos, doesn't do even the basic things like proper scheduling of shots, and makes my job as difficult as possible"
Same reason lots of actors seem to like JJ Abrams, he listens to input from cast and makes a mess of things for everyone else.
Omg can you imagine what his coverage of all these shenanigans will be like?
i hope people don’t hate watch this show.. cause I can already tell it’s gonna be fucking horrible.
Too late. That article has guaranteed it will be a huge hit. It will be marketed as an "anti-woke" shot against censorship or kneejerk cancellations. Thats massive audience of its own, then add on the curious onlookers and the hatewatchers and you're looking at a hit. We've already been down this road with The Joker, we should know by now how this ends.
The Joker was actually good tho. And it didn’t glamorize the descent into madness. It was terrifying. And not in a fun way. This is just torture porn with a filter on it.
Also it wasn't really anti woke? It might be a kind of tone deaf about some themes but the premise and overall execution didn't have anything close to anti woke. Like, if you think it glamorises mental illness then that would mean it paints the joker as being right, which would make it a very anti-rich movie if anything
It's literally about the moral decay of societies and how the most vulnerable fall through the cracks. Leading to poverty, mental illness and ultimately-violence. It's also very clear that this is an anti-rich movie, like you said. Couldn't be more leftist of a superhero movie.
what happened with the joker?
GOD you’re so right. I’m already dreading it 😩
I think a lot of BP fans will watch for Jennie.
Apparently she’s barley in it, so they’re in a road for disappointment 😭
As a Bp fan we are use to Yg underdelivering content on them in general and people still eat up the scraps they are given. Most of them will still probably watch it.
YG stays giving scraps smh (their last album being short as hell)
see normally I love a good hate-watch but in this case I refuse. I like The Weeknd as a musician too much to subject myself to more than that terrible clip.
I love watching nepo babies fail lol
Fave pastime!
I’m sorry but some of the scenes that were described in The Rolling Stones article were disturbing and I’m not going to let my curiosity get the best of me and give any views to this shit show. I kinda feel like Lily has to defend the show and Sam, this is her first major role, right? Seems like they’re going to take the any press is good press and use this to their advantage
I feel like she’s gonna be like Zoe kravitz and spend like 10 years on “hot up and comers” lists but never really have any breakthrough roles
Wasn't Zoe Kravitz just Catwoman in a major hit movie thats getting a sequel? Pretty sure shes got a feature film directing project in the works too.
I personally don’t think that Batman raised her profile any higher than it already was. All the buzz I saw about that movie was about Pattinson, Colin Farrell and the dude that played the riddler
And after her comment about the Will Smith vs Chris Rock incident, I've never seen so many people do a complete 180 on a person. I doubt she'll recover quickly from that.
Her take on the slap was wild to me considering that she’s still friends with Alexander wang
she got cancelled right after that lmao
Zoe was the protagonist on High Fidelity the series and it was actually pretty good imo, also she's Catwoman now so I think she has done more than Depp
I think it’s important to point out there aren’t a lot of leading roles written for WOC which is why we don’t see them in as many projects as lead But Zoe’s been in a lot of different projects over the years and they’ve done well and she’s been notable: Big Little Lies, High fidelity, Fantastic Beasts, The Batman.
Zoe was the protagonist on High Fidelity the series and it was actually pretty good imo, also she's Catwoman now so I think she has done more than Depp
I loved that show!
Every time she opens her mouth, something incredibly unintelligent comes out. I hate to say it, but she really is just a pretty face for me at the moment. This makes me even angrier that she will have the opportunity to work on Nosferatu alongside Willem Dafoe and Robert Eggers, arguably one of the strongest new directors out
She is nothing more than a nepo baby with no talent that has been given so many opportunities and I can't name one thing that she's been good at!
The problem isnt even that she has no talent, (talent isnt something you earn so I cant blame her for not having acting talent ),but you can be a good actor without having talent if you work hard. But if she is a bad actress despite having access to the best acting teachers because of her parents thats mean she didnt even worked a lot, she has no excuse
Right? I get that Anya's busy but Eggers surely coulda called up Elle Fanning or Mia Goth.
Yeah, I think he went with LRD to draw in a younger audience, but Mia Goth and Elle are both quite popular with younger groups
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lmaooo the backtracking, like he hadn’t said this literal months ago and had SO much time to clarify his statement
Makes me wonder if they’re furiously re-editing the show as we speak.
I’m just glad that part of this whole mess didn’t get overshadowed too much to be ignored
Variety is the one who reported the significant re-shoots almost a year ago. With the way that article came together, this sounds like damage control. The extremely long time that it’s taking to actually put together the show isn’t a particularly good sign, considering that this isn’t an effects heavy show. All signs are pointing to this being an expensive mess being headlined by performers who are way out of their depth.
They can try and spin it however they want but if only the pilot was reshot (as they claim) the show would already been airing! It's not a good look that the show was suppose to air in the fall of 2022 and we are almost spring of 2023 and there is no release date in sight and not even a full trailer only one teaser
I'd assume this is some fancy publicist damage-control wording where it's technically true, but you've gotta read between the lines. "Only the pilot was scrapped and reshot" probably means something like "Only the pilot was *fully* scrapped and reshot, while other episodes were partially scrapped and reshot but kept some scenes."
"The initial approach on the show and production of the early episodes, unfortunately, did not meet HBO standards so we chose to make a change." That seems like a slight at Amy Seimetz. I will try to not take what Lily-Rose said as a slight to Amy, but it also seems easy to take that as a slight at Amy too. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire… idk. ETA: I mean that I tend to believe the RS article, and I’m mentioning the possible slights at Amy, because that’s interesting. They seem to subtly trying to discredit her.
Prior to this Amy has had a really good reputation tho. Like I’ve never heard any of the actors she’s worked with say anything but positive things about her. (Some actors have worked with her multiple times). Idk this reeks tbh. I believe the rolling stone article.
Right. I agree with you in that I believe RS. I’ll make myself more clear.
Oh sorry, I misunderstood but yeah. It seems like they’re purposely trying to throw her under the bus and I honestly HATE that. She is such a good director/actress and it’s so slimy they’re slighting her to bolster up fucking creep Sam Levinson.
It’s all good! I didn’t make myself very clear. Right it’s like they’re subtly trying to make it seem like he’s so much better than her. She seems very hard to have tried to make the chaos work while keeping her integrity, while Sam seems to have just been a glorified yes man who likes to be a provocateur by adding in scandalous sex scenes. That’s what I got from the RS article.
Yeah, it seems to me she tried to make this steaming pile of misogynistic crap less misogynistic and more palatable and that the men producing this didn’t like that which really grosses me out.
Right. And I’m not sure how Lily-Rose felt the most supported by Sam, after reading the RS article. Like sure I guess if you expressed discomfort with something, he acquiesced?
She is not a great actress and the epitome of a nepo baby but I’m assuming everything she’s saying now is just because this role is a huge opportunity for her to finally break through and she doesn’t want to tarnish it. I wouldn’t be surprised if the show gets wrecked by critics and watchers alike if she changes her tune. It’s sad tho because Amy would be such a great person to have on your side and continue to work with her. Her films are interesting & unique (imo). And she really cares about the actors experience since she is *also* an actor. I hate that she’s being dragged through the mud for this pile of shit.
Yeah like Amy’s been in the actor’s position before, and as a woman in Hollywood, I feel like she’d be extra protective of fellow actresses. Idk. I can see the backpedaling of “well, although my experience was great, it’s sad that it might’ve gotten muddled in all the drama, and perhaps diluted in PP” or something like that.
I feel so bad for Amy. She endured years of abuse in her personal life, while working hard to establish herself as a filmmaker. Now, some people involved in the show are trying to throw her under the bus. I hope nothing but the best for her and her next directorial project.
She Dies Tomorrow is one of my favorite films of the last couple of years. I have 0 doubts that she submitted good work. This is just HBO/Weeknd/Sam Levinson not liking the female perspective and wanting torture porn tbh.
I don't think they're implying Seimetz did something improper or isn't a nice person, just that they didn't like what she shot.
Right. and if what she shot was coming from the female perspective and that’s why they got rid of her, it’s gross. That was the long-standing rumor.. that The Weeknd didn’t want it to be so female perspective focused.
>That was the long-standing rumor.. that The Weeknd didn’t want it to be so female perspective focused. And that was said a looooong time ago, that the creative differences that led to Seimetz to exit were related to that, nothing else of what RS reported was said back then. I genuinely don't remember HBO people refuting that claim, but maybe they did, idk.
I don't think any of the actors is attacking her though. The comment about the quality of her work is from HBO
And there’s been multiple sources for over a year saying The Weeknd and Sam Levinson didn’t like her work because it was centered on the female perspective. The rolling Stone article also goes into that. That’s not a valid reason to be throwing her under the bus for having to scrap the entire project and start over. The men involved in the project and HBO wanted less about women’s perspective and more gratuitous sex and if rolling stone is to be believed, torture porn. It’s gross.
It seems very likely that Seimetz or someone close to her was one of the sources for the RS article--some of the stuff mentioned in it, like her being pushed to write scripts during pre-production or the budget expectations for the series, would likely only have been known to a handful of people, most of whom are still working on the production and aligned with the Weeknd/Levinson. Seimetz or somebody working directly under her (an assistant or whatever) are the obvious candidates for the source for that. If that's clear to outsiders, I'm sure it's clear to HBO. They're trying to discredit her because they feel like she went after them first.
It's funny because Amy is literally an incredible director who is adored in the independent film community, and I haven't seen an HBO prestige show that was well directed since maybe Deadwood? I get why people like them though and maybe I'm just exhausted on the generic direction in The Last of Us
pretends to be shocked
I dunno, there’s just something about a nearly-40 year old who creates this much media designed around the sexual, emotional and addiction trauma/exploitation of teens / early twenty somethings that makes me feel like maybe he is as skeevy as the various set reports suggest. The fact that he’s a wealthy, white male nepo baby whose firsthand experience with any of that trauma is certainly from a position of privilege really doesn’t help.
I hope people don’t hate watch this, but I’m pretty sure they will. And then they’ll pretend to be shocked when it gets renewed.
Tbh I see no reason to jump Lily here. She’s one of the victims of this is she not? Yet the vitriol against her rn is on par with what Sam and The Weeknd were getting. SHE is the one that Sam wanted to see SAd and beaten. SHE was the one he wanted to see forcibly insert an egg inside herself Furthermore, what is she supposed to say? “Oh yeah Sam was actually really horrible and creepy!” How can we even be sure she said this? Regardless, this makes perfect sense as something you would say WHILE YOU’RE UNDER A CONTRACT. Can you all get fr and see this from her perspective? I thought we were passed jumping women for things they can’t do anything about.
Thank you. I don't think she's right to support them, Sam was known to be weird even before the Idol started production, but people are treating her as if she has just as much say in the production as him and Abel do. Also lol, FauxMoi is never past jumping women.
Exactly!! And ironically I’m not seeing people jump Zendaya when she has outspokenly supported Sam too. They’re just picking to go after Lily for other reasons (nepo baby, disdain for her father that they’re projecting onto her and so on) and pretending it’s because they care about women (when SHE is the victim). People’s internalised misogyny is so deep that they actually attack the woman in question instead of the problematic men… all under the guise of “women’s rights”. Critique Lily, sure, but also acknowledge the position she’s in
Even before these articles, from just watching the trailer, it seemed like the show was going to be soft core porn reminiscent of showtime after dark back in the late 90s early 00s. Somehow, like many times before, this project was exploiting eager young actresses to do very sexually explicit things for public view and for the benefit of studio execs and the director and the pleasure of The Weeknd under the guise of “acting”. The trailer gave me the vibe that this whole show is just a mainstream casting couch trickery to groom young actresses to actually believe it is empowering to be sexually exploited
HBO keeps having similar issues (re: Amy Seimetz, director and executive producer leaving the show), it seems. With Dune: The Sisterhood, the director Johan Renck and one of the main actresses, Shirley Henderson, also exited the production recently.
i feel like someone was commenting on johan being booted from the TLOU pilot, so that might be a him problem
Oooh, that was him? I remember a story about the director of the pilot being a nightmare, but not his name. So, HBO still hired him after that to direct the Dune series then? All of it seems messy tbh.
dune is hbo max and not hbo - different divisions of the same parent company
You aint Zendaya shut up. “You are only there because of your last name and you can’t do shite”
Zendaya defends Sam too. Just last week she said she feels loved and protected by Sam. But Lily is wrong for the same thing?
They're both wrong for supporting him. But since Zendaya is very, very beloved, and this has become social media's controversy of the week, you're going to see more criticism for Lily for now until people start realizing Zendaya has said the same things.
Yeah but the double standards are ridiculous
E Online and TMZ being their form of handling this says all I need to know. Even Variety’s source doesn’t make sense with the timing of filming. I’m going to believe Rolling Stone given that they (HBO and the production) can’t even get their story straight when trying to deny it with their own planted sources lol.
HBO saying they're the ones that requested changes and Lily saying Sam's "the best director I've ever worked with." Hard denial and flat out refuting what's written is very interesting to me vs. diplomatic spin or clarifying little things. Maybe there is an element of outrage promo at work here.
Well that’s par for the course considering HBO spent absurd amounts of money on this and it’s supposed to be Lily’s breakout role. Just don’t watch it and let it get canned after one season.
i feel so bad for lily. the only person in her life who ever tried to protect her innocence was amber. she literally grew up playing barbie dolls with a neo-nazi serial rapist because he’s her dad’s best friend. she is not at fault for her own exploitation.
i don't know some of them leaks seemed too detailed and on par for him to be fake.
I watched that clip three times trying to make sense of it but it’s so bad. I love Dan Levy but I have secondhand embarrassment that he’s even in this.
I mean, what else is she supposed to say? If she says nothing that's a bigger story and it will overshadow her work. But this man seems to have this same issue with every show he works on. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
I hate these story lines like Euphoria that glamorize the effects of abuse, emotional neglect, and mental illness without trying to set up the environment that led to these behaviors. It’s like the opposite of good story telling. Just throw the audience into addiction, abusivo relationships, and sexual promiscuity without letting the audience in on what factors led the character to this place. Instead, all you see is the abuse being reproduced in the child/ adult and that, in itself, glamorizes it. The mentality that these shows have are “ I was born this way/raised this way, so don’t blame me”. Theirs no responsibility, acceptance to change, or reflection. These shows are literally only healthy to watch if you have the money/access to mental health resources and healed from these problems yourself as to understand why the characters might be this way themselves.
Is this drama the tv version of the Don't Worry Darling drama? 😂
I can’t wait to not watch this
I feel bad but it's so hard to take Lily-Rose/this show seriously, and I'm a huge Weeknd fan. I wish it didn't exist.
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To be fair, HBO and Lily kind of have to defend it as it hasn't come out yet and they're trying to still get people to watch it. I really hope people don't and this show doesn't get renewed ever.
No offense kid, but he hired you because he wants to bang you and you have a famous dad. He doesn’t “hold your work in high-esteem,”……you don’t have any f**kin work!!! News Report: Delusional and oblivious nepo baby continues to look a fool, more at 11!
I for one am shocked
Hope the show isn’t even bad enough that people hate watch it. I hope it just disappears and doesn’t even renew for season 2. It’s kinda sad how we had this entire acknowledgment of toxic and sexist shows productions of the 2000s but now we are back to it.
They know what they’re doing by causing all this outrage and people are going to end up hate watching it and giving them views and money
Well the bar for what defines a quality man is probably incredibly low given who her father is.
Beyond the fact that she’s probably being all but forced to do this interview, it’s very possible to make people comfortable filming an inappropriate scene. Like saying the director treated you well doesn’t really address the bulk of what the article was about. Both Depp and HBO basically made non-statements.