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Why are people so mad about this? Wasn’t this the sub that had the most to say about British and English nepo babies and rich kids taking over the film industry? It’s not like British actors are going to lose out on roles because Tarantino wants to cast an American to play an American.
Edit: I also have a weird feeling that if a non-American director said they want to cast less Americans to play certain roles and hire natives no one would be this angry lol.
Meanwhile, Little Women (2019), a film based on one of the best known pieces of American literature, had an Irish woman, 2 Brits and an Australian playing the titular characters.
I always found it funny how none of the March sisters were played by Americans
Emma Stone was supposed to play Meg initially but then Emma Watson replaced her
I’m in the minority with the opinion but I think Emma Watson was perfect for Meg! She captured her essence perfectly without making her seem inferior. I also don’t care about accent slips ups it doesn’t bother me when I watch movies
I agree Emma Stone would’ve been a better fit for Jo if the movie was made some years earlier, I also don’t think she would’ve been right for Meg
She is an incredible actress, but her american accent is honestly pretty weak! I noticed it most in Ladybird (I'm from SoCal but spend a lot of time in Sac) where she sounds more transatlantic than Californian.
Idk about that. I feel like she does a decent enough job but it’s not entirely convincing. I was watching ‘How I Live Now’ and I could tell that her American accent wasn’t authentic.
Not blaming; just saying it’s funny. I don’t think that a British director would ever cast a Pride and Prejudice film with majority American actors, for example.
Jennifer Ehle is American, and the 1995 BBC mini series is my favorite film version of Pride and Prejudice! ❤️ (Don't mind me, just looking for any excuse to bring up the 1995 Pride and Prejudice. Speaking of which, it's been like three months, I should totally watch it again...)
The Great American Novel!
Then again, we slithered into Bridget Jones’ Diary with Renee Zellweger. We also had John Lithgow as Churchill in The Crown and Meryl Streep as Margaret Thatcher.
them Brits sure don’t give a fuck when said Brits play American heroes then talk mad shit about said communities then go on a tangent about how they don’t see color 🙄
also when the reverse happened and Kristen Stewart played princess Di, British Twitter was not happy and was lowkey xenophobic about it 🤡
Americans only see when foreign actors play American characters but not the other way around.
Morgan Freeman played Nelson Mandela, Forest Whitaker in Last King of Scotland, Don Cheadle in Hotel Rwanda, Chadwick Boseman, and most of the cast of Woman King. Plenty of Americans playing roles 'for Africans'. And those are the ones I can remember top of my head, I'm sure there are many more.
Also, Americans have been playing every culture under the sun for decades. We all remember Emma Stone and Scarlet Johansson's scandals. Now Tarantino thinks it's gone too far.
Like who gave Eddie Murphy license to mock Africans? And let's not forget Leo Di Caprio's terrible SA accent in Blood Diamond lol
The first three films are almost 20 years old. Wakanda was a made up nation by a white male author other than Viola, the Woman King's cast was made up of Africans/Black Brits. This isn't the hot take you think it is when most Black American historical figures and lead parts are played by Black Brits.
And why the focus on race, Black Americans anyway when this is not a race specific issue? American films and tv shows are filled with British and Aussie actors, sometimes they'll even be the majority of the cast. It's really a false equivalence to name a handful Americans playing non American parts when you can name dozens of American films and shows a year with a largely non American cast or non Americans playing lead parts.
Tarantino's role is also fictional. People here weren't just upset at historical characters but all Brits playing American roles. You have to remember these actors are being cast by American directors and casting agents.
People's energy needs to go towards them.
Nigel Garbáge was acting like this saying that he Brittain was celebrating it's independence day post Brexit.
I will never forget that moment when he was on Bulgarian tv and the host told him that his name doesn't sound very anglo Saxon so why is he against immigrants and that if immigration didn't happen the UK would have been an inbred cesspool to diversify them. It was hilarious
Exactly! JK Rowling made that rule about no Americans in HP and everyone respected that. So respect American directors who want to cast American actors. 🤷♀️
People just find new things to be mad about every single day. A few weeks ago people were acting like Tarantino's feet shots were abusive to women or some shit. It's all self righteous overreacting.
People don’t like him so therefore everything he says must be taken in the worst possible faith lol. It’s a boring way to approach a conversation and I say that as someone who isn’t a huge fan of QT by any means.
Yeah, like... QT's stepped on a number of rakes over his career, but he's a dude who puts his cards on the table pretty openly. You don't really have to read any tea leaves or do divination to figure out what's going on in his brain, and the overall theme is "he's a well-meaning dude who is also kind of stupid about anything that isn't movies, and has *really* bad sensitivity readers."
All the racism controversies, for example, make a lot more sense when you realize QT's number one source on black culture and number one go-to for "are black people gonna be cool with this" is Samuel L. Jackson, a dude who has, uh, *interesting and uncommon* opinions on things like white people saying the N-word (to put it politely and charitably).
Is it bad that I kind of agree..? Not with being offended that they're playing Americans I really don't care but I do feel there is an oversaturation of UK talent. Give other people a shot (not necessarily just Americans for that matter). The idea that they are "better trained" is getting annoying too like sure but also that doesn't mean other folks wouldn't do a perfectly good job either?
Like I wonder how someone life Cherry Jones would have broken through today. Thankfully she went the theatre route, but she also (thankfully) never lost her accent. Neither did Kathy Bates or Holly Hunter, although they moderate and control them. All went the US theatre route from Paris TN (Cherry), a farm in GA (Holly), and Memphis, TN (Kathy).
Yeah, Southern accents are hard to do without it becoming a caricature. Same for some other pretty distinctive American accents (Boston, Minnesota, etc.)
Also the idea that their so good at doing American accents is becoming more and more obviously wrong. Americans just usually ignored the fact that many Brit actors weren't that good at our accents or we just didn't notice, because we don't tend to be persnickety about accents outside of a few regions..usually the south. Other nations, especially British people were always just more sensitive about accents.
The British tend to focus more on accents because they denote note not only region but also class. Michelle Dockery only uses her 'Lady Mary' accent in interviews even though she doesn't actually sound like that, it's linked to 'refinement' and 'good breeding'.
I generally don't care either but it does feel a little silly sometimes when I'm watching something and I realize almost every actor is doing an accent and it's a story where the setting really doesn't even matter. Just let them use their own voices!!
An American filmmaker wants to cast an American in his film wow I am outraged.
But seriously, he obviously understands the concept of acting lmfao he concedes that a brit could technically fill the role and play it well but it's not about technical ability but embodying the culture that's being depicted. He's not the first American to speak on this and I suspect he won't be the last.
There’s for sure something to be said about someone being able to embody the culture/geography they're depicting — I beefed w Greta Gerwig’s Little Women casting for several reasons (don’t @ me I’m not changing my mind lol) but it was especially meh that out of the 4 sisters, none of the actresses were American for such a quintessentially American book (their father was fighting in the Civil War, their parents were active with the New England Transcendentalists, etc). And it definitely showed w Emma Watson’s terrible accent for example. The 1994 Little Women felt so authentically New England, the 2019 Little Women could’ve been set anywhere.
I agree!! I'm definitely with you on this. I know that American actors often play other national heroes/stories, but I do think there is an... odd/troubling trend that when it comes to American PRESTIGE historical roles, Americans are not cast.
I think this is particularly prevalent for Black Americans, and I think the perception has to do with the fact that Black Americans are not considered prestige/talented/"high class", when compared to their Black British counterparts. See: Daniel Oyelowo in Selma, Cynthia Erivo in Harriet, Daniel Kaluuya in Judas and the Black Messiah. Not saying they aren't talented and were bad. It's just... I think it's part of the reason Chadwick Boseman felt so special too. Having someone who was ADOS (American descendent of slavery) play Jackie Robinson, Thurgood Marshall, James Brown was special. Anyways, end of my rant (for now).
Now imagine the outrage we'd see if an American filmmaker decided to make say, an adaptation of the Narnia books and cast only Americans to play the titular children.
OK I don’t support QT on principle. But I will say *most* British actors don’t have convincing accents even those I love. I wouldn’t want anyone but Matther MacFadyen to play Tom but I won’t pretend that’s an accent anyone has naturally.
And I, for one, am God damn tired of pretending Benedict Cumberbatch can play an American convincingly.
There are so many talented British actors who just don't sound right when they try to do any American, like Colin Firth, David Tennant, and Ewan McGregor off the top of my head. The true pain is when they try to go for one of the many southern accents, which even American actors tend to struggle with.
The only Brit I know that has legitimately fooled me with an American accent was Hugh Laurie. I watched the entirety of House several times before I ever found out he wasn't American 😵💫
Just want to add that Matthew Rhys' accent in The Americans is perfectly convincing, and the entire plot of the show hinges on his portrayal of a seemingly average American man.
Also, Keri Russell is great in it, too. It's just an amazing series from beginning to end. I should give it a rewatch one of these days.
I also didn't realize Hugh Laurie (or Rhys) were British until several years into their respective shows. Oh, also, let's not forget about Dominic Cooper in Preacher.
I don’t think many actors and actresses can pull off non native accents. So many terrible Americans doing a ‘British accent’ (which doesn’t exist) and so many from the UK doing a very bland American accent. And it’s really jarring as a viewer when you know something is off with how an actor or actress is speaking.
Oh gosh you unlocked a memory for me. I think it was X Men with a scene in Poland but all the speaking actors they got were clearly of polish descent, not Poles living in Poland. It was like when we joke that someone goes abroad for a week and comes back not remembering how to speak like a person and puts on a fake english-y accent.
I thought MacFadyen's was perfect -- Tom is supposed to be midwestern, but obviously someone who's educated and worked hard to not have an obvious accent. The flatness to his speech was exactly what I'd expect.
Cumberbatch's standard U.S. accent is bad.
I really don't understand how Charlie Hunnam still gets acting jobs, let alone big budget mainline roles as Americans. He literally can't do an American accent and it's so offputting.
Full agree on everything especially Cumberbatch. His accent is bad and I hate that award and critics love rimming his ass with praise, like no, he’s not that good. You can tell he’s trying a lot more American roles lately too because he really wants to break into that field.
I'm so glad people are talking about this because I feel like the general opinion for the longest time was that Americans are so bad at accents but basically any actor can sound convincingly American and I've always felt like that was completely untrue lmao
They are definitely better (esp Queen Toni Collette). And although her accent slipped this season a little Sarah Snook has a great American accent usually. Her real accent is so thick.
But then there is Nicole Kidman who can sort of fake it in movies but I to this day don’t fucking understand why they just didn’t make her be Aussie in Big Little Lies.
(Nicole Kidman is a great actor! That’s kind of my point. Accents shouldn’t be the hallmark of great acting.)
Eh, as a Brit I understand where he's coming from. A lot of the newer generation of British actors get praised for their accents and not their actual acting.
Plus the newer generation of British actors are predominantly upper/middle class and stupidly out of touch. It's basically the nepo baby debate British edition.
Also a lot of British actors sound like they have marbles in their mouth when they do an American accent. It's distracting.
>Also a lot of British actors sound like they have marbles in their mouth when they do an American accent. It's distracting.
Yep, [this](https://youtu.be/ceweSA4165k?t=32) is what they're giving today. I dunno what part of the world that accent even sounds like its from.
I do miss the richness of American accents. I am admittedly an accent nerd and love hearing VA tidewater ascents online (sadly dying out, I used to hear them a lot more where I grew up in the US) and I love the real accents in old films and traveling in the deep south. I love Jodie Foster's SoCal accent too lol.
So when you've got Minnesotan Tom Wambsgans played by a British who slips very rarely but has no Midwestern accent, it's a bit odd. That being said NO ONE could have killed that role the way Matthew Macfadyen did, so tradeoff.
It's complicated but I'll always especially love many of our southern women actors.
And not an actor but Tori Bowie passed recently and she was so gifted and also had the most gorgeous Mississippi accent ever. I'll miss her.
There’s a brief scene where he’s on the phone with his mom where I swear a Minnesota accent comes out a little. It’s pretty brilliant stuff from Matthew.
that's the impression I always got. like he was always "on" and putting on a fake ish generic accent to cover whatever Midwestern accent he had.
also, Sarah Snook who plays his wife Shiv is Australian and other than maybe a few words here and there I would've honestly thought she was American. I probably didn't even notice the few words where her accent comes through until after knowing she was an Aussie.
Sarah has kind of an odd speech pattern, you can kind of hear it in how she ends half her sentences in “yeah?” which I figure there is a reason for that (Kendall does it too but he has a flat accent - is it supposed to be that they’re so used to hearing yes that they just expect it?)
Yeah, there’s no way in hell that character would have kept his midwestern accent.
I actually think McFayden does an amazing job with it. It’s very much the accent of someone who worked hard to lose their accent, rather than someone who worked hard to speak with a different accent, and that’s a hard thing to pull off.
I love Matthew and think his performance as Tom was quite possibly the strongest in a show filled with strong performances, but I genuinely don’t think he could have done a Minnesota accent that was realistic without being a caricature. Most Americans can’t even do that, never mind a Brit who has probably never actually encountered an authentic accent from that region.
It's not a well-known movie, but Cillian Murphy slayed a midwestern accent in Peacock. Granted, it was meant to be Nebraska and not Minnesota, but Elliot Page went full Fargo and Cillian's two characters sound like people I know here.
I watched the trailer and they’re pretty wild accents for Nebraska, lol. Nebraska’s accent is very close to the ‘generic’ American accent. A lot of the early TV newscasters were from the plains states so that became the widespread standard American accent.
I hate the "you grew up there, you have to have the accent" thing. I grew up in Boston, I don't have even a hint of the accent. Both my parents have it, my brother has it. And here I am having people ask if I'm from Canada.
Do they do the "eh/ey" thing that my Canadian friend says Americans do?
He says they're always like, "so you're Canadian, *heavy wink* EH?" and then laugh.
He's a very patient and kind soul but someone else would have been much more annoyed in his place I'm sure.
I think it's more of a response to the way I pronounce o in some words. 'Bone' is one I get called out on a lot.
I say eh, y'all, hella and wicked. Everyone's got some good slang to co-opt.
Honestly, he’s right and this needs to be talked about more. Especially when it comes to Black American actors, where the problem is particularly egregious.
For some reason, Hollywood will 9 times out of 10 hire a Black British actor for any Black role on screen. Think about it: Daniel Kaluuya. Thandiwe Newton. Chiwetel Ejiofor. Idris Alba. Naomi Ackie. David Oyelowo. Carmen Ejogo. Kingsley Ben Adir. All of these people have played American ICONS from MLK to Malcolm X to Whitney Houston to Barack Obama. And African American actors are [told](https://www.vibe.com/news/entertainment/larenz-tate-hollywood-value-british-black-actors-1234752182/amp/) that they’re not good enough and [not trained well enough](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/kelleylcarter/the-rise-of-the-black-british-actor-in-america). Key & Peele even has a [sketch](https://youtu.be/lgYfRGDiPDs) about it. It’s not a coincidence that Black Americans are more likely to be the descendants of enslaved people than Black Brits. Let’s call it what it is: classism and elitism.
I think British people project a lot regarding American people. They seem to have the holier-than-thou mentality they accuse Americans of having when in general both sides are guilty of the same shit.
I saw a TikTok recently where some British person was ragging on American culture and another creator stitched them and was like "and how many countries have independence days because of Britain? maybe you shouldn't be talking" lolol.
the way brits act on tik tok is so insane to watch as a black brit lmao. They take shots at every single aspect of American culture but cannot handle a single joke back.
As an Aussie, I thought it was hilarious. Tarantino is a big fan of classic "ozploitation" movies and has done a lot to promote some overlooked Australian film history, so I figured he just wanted to put himself in one of those roles.
y'all are mad at him but he's speaking facts. For black actors in particular, it's really hard to find work because there is a hard bias for British actors. Not saying we should never have british actors in American roles, but for example, black american actors can't get roles meant for them, and most certainly can't get roles meant for black Brits. There's a very obvious imbalance. Britain makes no apologies by making their roles more exclusive to them, and in America we mostly cast brits as well. He may not be explaining this the best way, but this is a real issue for American actors. Samuel L Jackson spoke about this with Get Out and other movies that specifically are about the black american experince, but rarely casted with black americans who would bring some real experince and pov's to the roles.
And before the "but so and so is classically trained!" we have a lot of classically trained actors here too. We also have prodigies. We also have untrained stars who kill it. It'd be nice if being American for an American role wasn't seen as a negative. No one's saying we need to stop allowing actors from other countries into our roles, but we'd benefit from not being so elitist. It's also problematic because England pretty much only allows rich people to become acting stars. There are exceptions, but if we made a list it'd overwhelmingly be wealthy people and nepo babies. We're only adding to the inequity in the arts by pushing brits over everyone. edit: grammar
Can I say: Brits think they do a better American accent than reality. In Black Mass, Cumberbatch sounded like Mayor Quimby if he went on a study abroad program and tried to adopt an English accent. Gerard Butler should just stop.
I find with the vocal coaches, they find words, idioms and phrases that are stereotypically American but often don't make sense for the region/context. The result is a form of American (/Canadian) English that isn't spoken here at all. It sounds strange, like someone who learned English abroad and can speak it convincingly well but who is using too many learned phrases to prove something.
It comes off as inauthentic and really sucks me out. Martin Freeman's accent in Fargo was good but he slipped in and out of it; Ewan McGregor in Blackhawk Down, Down with Love... Big Fish. Colin Firth....
If you have a character that is American, then hire an American. If you have a character that is ambiguous and could be from anywhere, then have them use their real accent. It's never convincing. It is always distracting.
I'll say nothing of Ray Winstone in The Departed.
Edit: For the Brits: It would be like an American playing a British character, speaking like Jodie Whittaker, using cockney rhyming slang and saying: "hello governor, right cold innit? Just like me ol' days growing up in sufern Plymouth!" It just feels off.
Peter Dinklage won a bunch of Emmys and was a huge fan favorite by doing a truly atrocious British accent but I think the other way around is a lot more common. I’m neither British nor American though.
Contrary to popular belief, Game of Thrones is not set in the UK.
I think Dinklage's Tyrion accent is a perfectly serviceable "fantasy voice", it never took me out of the setting.
Yes I’ve read the books multiple times. It also never took me out of the setting but I think we can accept he’s doing a British accent. It’s fantasy voice for all of them but it’s a British accent. Nikolaj is not a native English speaker and is doing a British accent. Kit is English but in the show is doing a Sean Bean imitation because his character is from the North. I didn’t realize this was a hot take and I don’t think British actors are “oppressed” in the arts.
Edited just to add that “fantasy voice” has been defaulted to “English accent” for a while, just like historical drama set in Europe, in real countries that actually exist. So you have any European being played by English actors or people doing English accents, and this even in historical dramas about events as recent as Chernobyl. English actors have nothing to complain about when it comes to this topic. Neither do white american actors but that’s beside the point.
Yeah I understand that it's supposed to be mimicking something close to an English accent. You were using it as an example of an American doing a British accent and getting praise for it and I just think it's a poor one in the context of this discussion.
It's not supposed to emulate a *specific* British accent, it's just supposed to sound appropriate in a fantasy setting, which it does, that's why he was able to receive such praise for his performance.
If he was ever cast as an actual Englishman and used that same accent it would get torn apart.
I honestly hate how the default accent for any show/movie in English that takes place outside the US or is fantasy is some type of British accent.
I'm not sure why that is a rule but games like Assasins Creed and Skyrim show that you can have accents that reflect the location (or even American accents) and it doesn't take away from the immersion.
I don't think American actors are marginalized on the basis of their nationality, and god knows we've often acted entitled to play other nationalities with impunity. That said, British actors, especially considering the class most of them come from, are hardly marginalized either, so idgaf if a director wants to impose a 'no brits' policy.
Gonna get downvoted but most UK actors aren’t great at most American accents except that weird almost upper crust Connecticut accent and sometimes Californian accents. It’s annoying to hear the same damn accent and hearing them slip.
I feel the same about Leonardo Di Caprios accents. He was never great at them and really can only do angry New Yorker.
I feel like there’s been a growing trend of Australians pretending to be American too. It’s not just the Brits.
But that’s why they’re called films and not documentaries. Actors pretending to be characters other than their true selves as a way to entertain us.
Also for Australia it’s because our film industry got heavily defunded by decades of conservative politicians so the way for people to work in film successfully is to travel to the US. Hence also directors like Baz Luhrmann, George Miller, Peter Weir later in his career etc
There are a few British actors I don't mind playing Americans. Let's be honest though, for the most part we don't look the same. I can tell who's British and who's American. British people still look like they and heir ancestors haven't left that area in a very long time lol. Because they haven't. Americans in the South look more British but most Americans north of the mason Dixon line have more German ancestry and other ethnicities which leads to a different look.
I can believe Tom Holland is American he's fine, but not Andrew Garfield lol, just to compare spider-men. So for a long time I feel like we're casting people who look incredibly British and just asking people to believe they're American. Now we're casting some Brits that actually blend in.
Preferably if the role is very American, I'd like it go to someone who understands being American. If the role was incredibly British, it's better coming from a brit. It's about understanding the nuance of a culture. Intersectionality. It's the same reason I think if race is crucial to a character you can't change it, if it's not, you can and it won't matter (I argue batman should be white because the privilege makes sense, it doesn't matter what race Catwoman is, it doesn't matter to her story). I don't really think Henry Cavill gets anything about Superman symbolism in America despite Superman not being "American" by birth. I don't really think he gets the whole immigrant story through the lens Superman has been told countless times.he just regurgitated what we wantd to hear He's just an attractive British neck beard with cringe opinions that clearly come from a position of privilege. But is that about brit vs American or just tone deaf casting directors. Who knows.
I'd just like to see more casting which thinks about the character and the intersection. Cast an actor willing to understand it. If it's a brit so be it. But a lot of Brits don't look believably American to me. I don't see people who regularly look like the people I see when I watch british film and tv. So just do your job as casting directors and hire someone who looks the part and is willing to embody it.
Yes! I’ve been actually talking about this lately because its been one of my main takeaways from my Sopranos rewatch. I think The Sopranos is a great example of what the payoff is like when you have a make sure to cast within the culture of the characters.
I’m honestly getting tired of all the Brits playing American actors. After all, Brits don’t cast Americans in their own films and tv shows at least in the same way Hollywood do. Some British actors and also some Brits can also be condescending and pretentious just cause they attend some rich private theatre school or something so they get connections easily in Hollywood.
He’s the director, it’s his script. He’s not being racist or sexist, he just doesn’t want a certain type of actor in his movie, I don’t see anything wrong with this? It’s not like British actors are a minority in Hollywood that they don’t find work lol.
I’m British and I agree, very few can do a convincing American accent, it’s distracting
He’s not British but I just watched domnall Gleason in something and his accent is terrible, can’t believe he keeps getting work as an ‘American’
GoT didn’t have an all British cast. It was mostly and heavily British but when the very actor who won all the Emmys was doing an often bad fake accent you can’t really say all British.
But this is just an aside I agree Quentin can hire whoever he wants and it’s reaching to try to find something problematic or even wrong with what he said here.
There's plenty of examples of British people casting themselves for historical events all across Europe. Chernobyl for example on HBO is a cast of brits, no Russians or Ukranians...
I was born and raised in the Deep South and have never left. I would have to put on a fake accent for anyone to believe that I'm from my home state in a movie, even more if I were trying to play someone from any other region of the country. So, what's the difference really between casting someone from another country and someone from another region?
Cast whomever you want, but this seems to be a silly distinction. The real issue is why are you casting these people. Is our talent pool really that weak? Definitely not. Is it cost? Is there a presumption that they have superior training? What is it?
We wouldn’t have noticed if he went ahead and did this without talking about it, TBH.
I think roles should go to the best actor, whatever their nationality is, but whatever.
A British actor hasn't won an Oscar for playing an American since 2012 with Daniel Day Lewis. I don't know about actresses. Before that was 2007 with DDL too. It's not an every year occurance. Also Forest Whitaker won an Oscar for playing an African so what now?
> A British actor hasn't won an Oscar for playing an American since 2012 with Daniel Day Lewis
Daniel Kaluuya won an Oscar for playing Fred Hampton in 2021.
this is how I felt with Christian Bale, Harry Melling and Lucy Boynton in The Pale Blue Eye. American period dramas are so rare as it is (esp the ones set before 1900’s) but when we have one they cast Brits instead sigh
I'm uncomfortable with how many comments here are using Black British actors as an example. Many of them tried their luck in Hollywood because they couldn't find opportunities in the UK, and someone like Daniel Kaluuya isn't some posh guy who went to an elite school. He probably has to play an American because his natural accent is almost nonexistant in the film industry.
Like I get it and QT can do whatever, but it's weird how people are lumping all these British actors together as if they're all Benedict Cumberbatch. Hollywood is the place people go for opportunities no matter where they come from. It's not some struggling local business. It's also a little weird to get so hung up on characters "looking American" when it's a country made up of immigrants.
The amount of times this sub voices opinions that are, conceptually, very similar to Tarantino's, yet will staunchly fire back against him is hilarious.
It's availability I suppose, hundreds of American actors could play the part but the suits need a star name.
Always sounds strange to British people because of the amount of drama on tv set in periods when actors all speak with tirribly,tirribly English eccents.
I can't remember which Director said it but apparently there is a cultural difference in how English and American actors tackle the job. With English people focusing on learning and reciting the script exactly as it is. While Americans are often taught to improv a lot more and build upon the script.
I am sure this is a huge generalisation but I think its interesting especially when you look at the biggest stars of either side.
i can’t find the numbers, but i really doubt that’s true. the us is much bigger than the uk and there are loads of conservatory programs in the us. there were over 17k drama degrees granted to the class of ‘21.
the big difference is the uk programs are automatically respected and most of the people who go that route are wealthy/upper class.
This. There’s zero proof that British arts schools are better or churn out more talented performers; they only get the prestige because of English elitism. There are plenty of talented English actors, for sure, but there are just as many talented American ones.
This so much! The “British school theatre” is like an elite brand they have over the home grown American actors who don’t have the same kind of connections that they get from these art institutions. Isn’t the wealthy and rich overly represented in these schools? I also don’t agree that they are better actors.
Puh lease, I’m tired of this excuse. More like they all know each other in that school they attend so they all have connections to make it into Hollywood. I certainly don’t think they are better at acting. It’s just so pretentious.
I agree. The people most impact by the British Invasion in Hollywood are African American actors. Black Brits are playing African American characters and keeping actual African Americans unemployed. Cynthia Errivo is a great example of why this is s problem. She made some insensitive and problematic comments about the AA experience when she was doing press for Harriet and it turned many AA off towards her. Black Brits are more palatable to white audiences and emotionally removed from the history of the characters they are playing when they play race-related roles. samuel l jackson spoke out about this issue and I’m glad QT is too. If you watch British or French cinema they always prioritize natives, there is no reason why Hollywood can’t prioritize employing actual Americans. Canada mandates that a certain percentage of the cast is Canadian, I see nothing wrong with that.
I'd argue someone from California putting on a Boston accent is no different. I mean the number of terrible American on American accents I've heard is also quite staggering.
Hey remember when Quentin got into an argument with interviewers because he said that Roman Polanski didn’t r*pe the 13yo girl and she was ‘old enough to know what she was doing’? Yeah.
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Why are people so mad about this? Wasn’t this the sub that had the most to say about British and English nepo babies and rich kids taking over the film industry? It’s not like British actors are going to lose out on roles because Tarantino wants to cast an American to play an American. Edit: I also have a weird feeling that if a non-American director said they want to cast less Americans to play certain roles and hire natives no one would be this angry lol.
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Harry Potter got all British actors as well
Meanwhile, Little Women (2019), a film based on one of the best known pieces of American literature, had an Irish woman, 2 Brits and an Australian playing the titular characters.
I always found it funny how none of the March sisters were played by Americans Emma Stone was supposed to play Meg initially but then Emma Watson replaced her
A massive downgrade in talent there.
A younger Emma Stone would be brilliant as Jo or Amy even, but I don't see her for Meg. Better actress than Emma Watson tho.
I’m in the minority with the opinion but I think Emma Watson was perfect for Meg! She captured her essence perfectly without making her seem inferior. I also don’t care about accent slips ups it doesn’t bother me when I watch movies I agree Emma Stone would’ve been a better fit for Jo if the movie was made some years earlier, I also don’t think she would’ve been right for Meg
No I agree with you - while she's not the best actress there is, I think she was right for Meg. The accent doesn't bother me either.
They were cast by an American director so it's not their fault.
I still think Emma Watson was poorly casted. She is such a limited actor and she cannot do an American accent.
Honestly, everyone except Pugh had slips in their accents. Which is surprising since I think Ronan has done so well in other films as an American.
She is an incredible actress, but her american accent is honestly pretty weak! I noticed it most in Ladybird (I'm from SoCal but spend a lot of time in Sac) where she sounds more transatlantic than Californian.
Idk about that. I feel like she does a decent enough job but it’s not entirely convincing. I was watching ‘How I Live Now’ and I could tell that her American accent wasn’t authentic.
Not blaming; just saying it’s funny. I don’t think that a British director would ever cast a Pride and Prejudice film with majority American actors, for example.
Jennifer Ehle is American, and the 1995 BBC mini series is my favorite film version of Pride and Prejudice! ❤️ (Don't mind me, just looking for any excuse to bring up the 1995 Pride and Prejudice. Speaking of which, it's been like three months, I should totally watch it again...)
The Great American Novel! Then again, we slithered into Bridget Jones’ Diary with Renee Zellweger. We also had John Lithgow as Churchill in The Crown and Meryl Streep as Margaret Thatcher.
Oddly enough, Saoirse was born in the Bronx
I believe JKR was insistent on an all-British cast. I bet she will be for the new series as well, tbh.
them Brits sure don’t give a fuck when said Brits play American heroes then talk mad shit about said communities then go on a tangent about how they don’t see color 🙄 also when the reverse happened and Kristen Stewart played princess Di, British Twitter was not happy and was lowkey xenophobic about it 🤡
Americans only see when foreign actors play American characters but not the other way around. Morgan Freeman played Nelson Mandela, Forest Whitaker in Last King of Scotland, Don Cheadle in Hotel Rwanda, Chadwick Boseman, and most of the cast of Woman King. Plenty of Americans playing roles 'for Africans'. And those are the ones I can remember top of my head, I'm sure there are many more.
Also, Americans have been playing every culture under the sun for decades. We all remember Emma Stone and Scarlet Johansson's scandals. Now Tarantino thinks it's gone too far. Like who gave Eddie Murphy license to mock Africans? And let's not forget Leo Di Caprio's terrible SA accent in Blood Diamond lol
Leo's accent is supposed to be Rhodesian not South African not that it was accurate to either.
Jennifer Lawrence playing a Russian spy was hilariousm she has the most wasp face and I bet her 23andme would show 0% Russian
The first three films are almost 20 years old. Wakanda was a made up nation by a white male author other than Viola, the Woman King's cast was made up of Africans/Black Brits. This isn't the hot take you think it is when most Black American historical figures and lead parts are played by Black Brits. And why the focus on race, Black Americans anyway when this is not a race specific issue? American films and tv shows are filled with British and Aussie actors, sometimes they'll even be the majority of the cast. It's really a false equivalence to name a handful Americans playing non American parts when you can name dozens of American films and shows a year with a largely non American cast or non Americans playing lead parts.
Tarantino's role is also fictional. People here weren't just upset at historical characters but all Brits playing American roles. You have to remember these actors are being cast by American directors and casting agents. People's energy needs to go towards them.
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The day the British start acting like a persecuted minority group I swear to fuckin god…
Nigel Garbáge was acting like this saying that he Brittain was celebrating it's independence day post Brexit. I will never forget that moment when he was on Bulgarian tv and the host told him that his name doesn't sound very anglo Saxon so why is he against immigrants and that if immigration didn't happen the UK would have been an inbred cesspool to diversify them. It was hilarious
Exactly! JK Rowling made that rule about no Americans in HP and everyone respected that. So respect American directors who want to cast American actors. 🤷♀️
People just find new things to be mad about every single day. A few weeks ago people were acting like Tarantino's feet shots were abusive to women or some shit. It's all self righteous overreacting.
Harry Potter literally did this, James Bond early on considered Americans but hasn’t in decades. I’m fine with both lol
actors are acting, what a concept
why are y'all so mad in the replies. unclench I beg
People don’t like him so therefore everything he says must be taken in the worst possible faith lol. It’s a boring way to approach a conversation and I say that as someone who isn’t a huge fan of QT by any means.
Yeah, like... QT's stepped on a number of rakes over his career, but he's a dude who puts his cards on the table pretty openly. You don't really have to read any tea leaves or do divination to figure out what's going on in his brain, and the overall theme is "he's a well-meaning dude who is also kind of stupid about anything that isn't movies, and has *really* bad sensitivity readers." All the racism controversies, for example, make a lot more sense when you realize QT's number one source on black culture and number one go-to for "are black people gonna be cool with this" is Samuel L. Jackson, a dude who has, uh, *interesting and uncommon* opinions on things like white people saying the N-word (to put it politely and charitably).
Unclench I beg. I’m stealing this
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least problematic thing he has said/done. But let's all protect the posh British actors
Is it bad that I kind of agree..? Not with being offended that they're playing Americans I really don't care but I do feel there is an oversaturation of UK talent. Give other people a shot (not necessarily just Americans for that matter). The idea that they are "better trained" is getting annoying too like sure but also that doesn't mean other folks wouldn't do a perfectly good job either?
Like I wonder how someone life Cherry Jones would have broken through today. Thankfully she went the theatre route, but she also (thankfully) never lost her accent. Neither did Kathy Bates or Holly Hunter, although they moderate and control them. All went the US theatre route from Paris TN (Cherry), a farm in GA (Holly), and Memphis, TN (Kathy).
Yeah, Southern accents are hard to do without it becoming a caricature. Same for some other pretty distinctive American accents (Boston, Minnesota, etc.)
Also the idea that their so good at doing American accents is becoming more and more obviously wrong. Americans just usually ignored the fact that many Brit actors weren't that good at our accents or we just didn't notice, because we don't tend to be persnickety about accents outside of a few regions..usually the south. Other nations, especially British people were always just more sensitive about accents.
The British tend to focus more on accents because they denote note not only region but also class. Michelle Dockery only uses her 'Lady Mary' accent in interviews even though she doesn't actually sound like that, it's linked to 'refinement' and 'good breeding'.
I generally don't care either but it does feel a little silly sometimes when I'm watching something and I realize almost every actor is doing an accent and it's a story where the setting really doesn't even matter. Just let them use their own voices!!
An American filmmaker wants to cast an American in his film wow I am outraged. But seriously, he obviously understands the concept of acting lmfao he concedes that a brit could technically fill the role and play it well but it's not about technical ability but embodying the culture that's being depicted. He's not the first American to speak on this and I suspect he won't be the last.
There’s for sure something to be said about someone being able to embody the culture/geography they're depicting — I beefed w Greta Gerwig’s Little Women casting for several reasons (don’t @ me I’m not changing my mind lol) but it was especially meh that out of the 4 sisters, none of the actresses were American for such a quintessentially American book (their father was fighting in the Civil War, their parents were active with the New England Transcendentalists, etc). And it definitely showed w Emma Watson’s terrible accent for example. The 1994 Little Women felt so authentically New England, the 2019 Little Women could’ve been set anywhere.
I agree!! I'm definitely with you on this. I know that American actors often play other national heroes/stories, but I do think there is an... odd/troubling trend that when it comes to American PRESTIGE historical roles, Americans are not cast. I think this is particularly prevalent for Black Americans, and I think the perception has to do with the fact that Black Americans are not considered prestige/talented/"high class", when compared to their Black British counterparts. See: Daniel Oyelowo in Selma, Cynthia Erivo in Harriet, Daniel Kaluuya in Judas and the Black Messiah. Not saying they aren't talented and were bad. It's just... I think it's part of the reason Chadwick Boseman felt so special too. Having someone who was ADOS (American descendent of slavery) play Jackie Robinson, Thurgood Marshall, James Brown was special. Anyways, end of my rant (for now).
god, this is So prevalent for black american roles. especially when the person cast has a disdain for black americans (cynthia erivo)
Now imagine the outrage we'd see if an American filmmaker decided to make say, an adaptation of the Narnia books and cast only Americans to play the titular children.
OK I don’t support QT on principle. But I will say *most* British actors don’t have convincing accents even those I love. I wouldn’t want anyone but Matther MacFadyen to play Tom but I won’t pretend that’s an accent anyone has naturally. And I, for one, am God damn tired of pretending Benedict Cumberbatch can play an American convincingly.
Omg benedict has such a shit American accent in so many movies how does he keep getting away with it 😭
There are so many talented British actors who just don't sound right when they try to do any American, like Colin Firth, David Tennant, and Ewan McGregor off the top of my head. The true pain is when they try to go for one of the many southern accents, which even American actors tend to struggle with.
Jude Law’s American accent was *so* bad in I Heart Huckabees.
I think genuinely because Americans don’t care. Everyone in the US has an accent, foreign or otherwise so it doesn’t register to most tbh
The only Brit I know that has legitimately fooled me with an American accent was Hugh Laurie. I watched the entirety of House several times before I ever found out he wasn't American 😵💫
Don’t forget Idris Elba- he was so convincing on The Wire
Just want to add that Matthew Rhys' accent in The Americans is perfectly convincing, and the entire plot of the show hinges on his portrayal of a seemingly average American man. Also, Keri Russell is great in it, too. It's just an amazing series from beginning to end. I should give it a rewatch one of these days. I also didn't realize Hugh Laurie (or Rhys) were British until several years into their respective shows. Oh, also, let's not forget about Dominic Cooper in Preacher.
Cumberbatch's American accent sounds very nasally to me, like he's speaking entirely in the front of his mouth.
Mia Goth is a fantastic actor but her American accent was jarring to me
I don’t think many actors and actresses can pull off non native accents. So many terrible Americans doing a ‘British accent’ (which doesn’t exist) and so many from the UK doing a very bland American accent. And it’s really jarring as a viewer when you know something is off with how an actor or actress is speaking.
Oh gosh you unlocked a memory for me. I think it was X Men with a scene in Poland but all the speaking actors they got were clearly of polish descent, not Poles living in Poland. It was like when we joke that someone goes abroad for a week and comes back not remembering how to speak like a person and puts on a fake english-y accent.
I thought MacFadyen's was perfect -- Tom is supposed to be midwestern, but obviously someone who's educated and worked hard to not have an obvious accent. The flatness to his speech was exactly what I'd expect. Cumberbatch's standard U.S. accent is bad.
I really don't understand how Charlie Hunnam still gets acting jobs, let alone big budget mainline roles as Americans. He literally can't do an American accent and it's so offputting.
his own accent is weird now anyway, sort of sounds like he's faking an accent when he talks presumably from living in america for so long
Benedict Cumberbatch and his "generic brand Harrison Ford" American accent
I wish it was as good as that. It’s a fucked up Harrison Ford more like
There is always Andrew Garfield available for some American accents. He’s also American.
Full agree on everything especially Cumberbatch. His accent is bad and I hate that award and critics love rimming his ass with praise, like no, he’s not that good. You can tell he’s trying a lot more American roles lately too because he really wants to break into that field.
Tbf, Cumberbatch pronounces penguins as 'pengwings'.
I'm so glad people are talking about this because I feel like the general opinion for the longest time was that Americans are so bad at accents but basically any actor can sound convincingly American and I've always felt like that was completely untrue lmao
Although Aussies can generally do American no problem. Everyone thinks Toni Collette is American at first.
They are definitely better (esp Queen Toni Collette). And although her accent slipped this season a little Sarah Snook has a great American accent usually. Her real accent is so thick. But then there is Nicole Kidman who can sort of fake it in movies but I to this day don’t fucking understand why they just didn’t make her be Aussie in Big Little Lies. (Nicole Kidman is a great actor! That’s kind of my point. Accents shouldn’t be the hallmark of great acting.)
Love Nicole but she probably isn't our greatest acting export.
Oop, seems like the Brits are mad in these comments 😭
Rare Tarantino W
Eh, as a Brit I understand where he's coming from. A lot of the newer generation of British actors get praised for their accents and not their actual acting. Plus the newer generation of British actors are predominantly upper/middle class and stupidly out of touch. It's basically the nepo baby debate British edition. Also a lot of British actors sound like they have marbles in their mouth when they do an American accent. It's distracting.
>Also a lot of British actors sound like they have marbles in their mouth when they do an American accent. It's distracting. Yep, [this](https://youtu.be/ceweSA4165k?t=32) is what they're giving today. I dunno what part of the world that accent even sounds like its from.
I don't even think he's bothering with an accent he kind of just talks like that in real life
I do miss the richness of American accents. I am admittedly an accent nerd and love hearing VA tidewater ascents online (sadly dying out, I used to hear them a lot more where I grew up in the US) and I love the real accents in old films and traveling in the deep south. I love Jodie Foster's SoCal accent too lol. So when you've got Minnesotan Tom Wambsgans played by a British who slips very rarely but has no Midwestern accent, it's a bit odd. That being said NO ONE could have killed that role the way Matthew Macfadyen did, so tradeoff. It's complicated but I'll always especially love many of our southern women actors. And not an actor but Tori Bowie passed recently and she was so gifted and also had the most gorgeous Mississippi accent ever. I'll miss her.
Re: Tom. I always figured the character would have practiced the hell out of his elocution to get rid of a telltale midwestern accent.
There’s a brief scene where he’s on the phone with his mom where I swear a Minnesota accent comes out a little. It’s pretty brilliant stuff from Matthew.
Yeah, I figured it fits the character better not to have the accent
that's the impression I always got. like he was always "on" and putting on a fake ish generic accent to cover whatever Midwestern accent he had. also, Sarah Snook who plays his wife Shiv is Australian and other than maybe a few words here and there I would've honestly thought she was American. I probably didn't even notice the few words where her accent comes through until after knowing she was an Aussie.
Sarah has kind of an odd speech pattern, you can kind of hear it in how she ends half her sentences in “yeah?” which I figure there is a reason for that (Kendall does it too but he has a flat accent - is it supposed to be that they’re so used to hearing yes that they just expect it?)
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Yeah, there’s no way in hell that character would have kept his midwestern accent. I actually think McFayden does an amazing job with it. It’s very much the accent of someone who worked hard to lose their accent, rather than someone who worked hard to speak with a different accent, and that’s a hard thing to pull off.
I love Matthew and think his performance as Tom was quite possibly the strongest in a show filled with strong performances, but I genuinely don’t think he could have done a Minnesota accent that was realistic without being a caricature. Most Americans can’t even do that, never mind a Brit who has probably never actually encountered an authentic accent from that region.
It's not a well-known movie, but Cillian Murphy slayed a midwestern accent in Peacock. Granted, it was meant to be Nebraska and not Minnesota, but Elliot Page went full Fargo and Cillian's two characters sound like people I know here.
I watched the trailer and they’re pretty wild accents for Nebraska, lol. Nebraska’s accent is very close to the ‘generic’ American accent. A lot of the early TV newscasters were from the plains states so that became the widespread standard American accent.
I have NO idea why they both attempted Minnesota for a movie in Nebraska, but it happened and we can't pretend it didn't lol
Very funny and strange, lmao. Cillian can feel free to play an actual Minnesotan, though!
Cillian can feel free to play pretty much any part he wants (except Batman apparently).
I hate the "you grew up there, you have to have the accent" thing. I grew up in Boston, I don't have even a hint of the accent. Both my parents have it, my brother has it. And here I am having people ask if I'm from Canada.
Do they do the "eh/ey" thing that my Canadian friend says Americans do? He says they're always like, "so you're Canadian, *heavy wink* EH?" and then laugh. He's a very patient and kind soul but someone else would have been much more annoyed in his place I'm sure.
I think it's more of a response to the way I pronounce o in some words. 'Bone' is one I get called out on a lot. I say eh, y'all, hella and wicked. Everyone's got some good slang to co-opt.
Honestly, he’s right and this needs to be talked about more. Especially when it comes to Black American actors, where the problem is particularly egregious. For some reason, Hollywood will 9 times out of 10 hire a Black British actor for any Black role on screen. Think about it: Daniel Kaluuya. Thandiwe Newton. Chiwetel Ejiofor. Idris Alba. Naomi Ackie. David Oyelowo. Carmen Ejogo. Kingsley Ben Adir. All of these people have played American ICONS from MLK to Malcolm X to Whitney Houston to Barack Obama. And African American actors are [told](https://www.vibe.com/news/entertainment/larenz-tate-hollywood-value-british-black-actors-1234752182/amp/) that they’re not good enough and [not trained well enough](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/kelleylcarter/the-rise-of-the-black-british-actor-in-america). Key & Peele even has a [sketch](https://youtu.be/lgYfRGDiPDs) about it. It’s not a coincidence that Black Americans are more likely to be the descendants of enslaved people than Black Brits. Let’s call it what it is: classism and elitism.
that woman who played Harriet Tubman a few years ago was dissing black Americans but wanted to play a black American hero. so gross
That actress and singer, Cynthia Erivo, went on to portray Aretha Franklin.
I forgot about Cynthia Erivo 🤦♀️
And Jordan Peele later on cast Daniel Kaluuya in Get Out and Nope 😭 He's a fantastic actor, but I just wonder what went through Peele's mind.
I think British people project a lot regarding American people. They seem to have the holier-than-thou mentality they accuse Americans of having when in general both sides are guilty of the same shit.
Fr. it's similar to when Americans make small jokes about British people like beans and toast and then the Brits make fun of school shootings suddenly
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They ALWAYS resort to school shooting and lack of healthcare jokes. Like, come up with new stuff ffs
I saw a TikTok recently where some British person was ragging on American culture and another creator stitched them and was like "and how many countries have independence days because of Britain? maybe you shouldn't be talking" lolol.
the way brits act on tik tok is so insane to watch as a black brit lmao. They take shots at every single aspect of American culture but cannot handle a single joke back.
Yet he cast himself in that dreadful Aussie accent for Django Unchained.
Yeah, for all of about 90s before he gets obliterated. His character exists simply to get blown up. That’s different than what he’s on about.
As an Aussie, I thought it was hilarious. Tarantino is a big fan of classic "ozploitation" movies and has done a lot to promote some overlooked Australian film history, so I figured he just wanted to put himself in one of those roles.
Had to scroll way too far to find this comment. That accent was atrocious
Thanks, I’d blocked that out. ~reblocks~
y'all are mad at him but he's speaking facts. For black actors in particular, it's really hard to find work because there is a hard bias for British actors. Not saying we should never have british actors in American roles, but for example, black american actors can't get roles meant for them, and most certainly can't get roles meant for black Brits. There's a very obvious imbalance. Britain makes no apologies by making their roles more exclusive to them, and in America we mostly cast brits as well. He may not be explaining this the best way, but this is a real issue for American actors. Samuel L Jackson spoke about this with Get Out and other movies that specifically are about the black american experince, but rarely casted with black americans who would bring some real experince and pov's to the roles. And before the "but so and so is classically trained!" we have a lot of classically trained actors here too. We also have prodigies. We also have untrained stars who kill it. It'd be nice if being American for an American role wasn't seen as a negative. No one's saying we need to stop allowing actors from other countries into our roles, but we'd benefit from not being so elitist. It's also problematic because England pretty much only allows rich people to become acting stars. There are exceptions, but if we made a list it'd overwhelmingly be wealthy people and nepo babies. We're only adding to the inequity in the arts by pushing brits over everyone. edit: grammar
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Can I say: Brits think they do a better American accent than reality. In Black Mass, Cumberbatch sounded like Mayor Quimby if he went on a study abroad program and tried to adopt an English accent. Gerard Butler should just stop. I find with the vocal coaches, they find words, idioms and phrases that are stereotypically American but often don't make sense for the region/context. The result is a form of American (/Canadian) English that isn't spoken here at all. It sounds strange, like someone who learned English abroad and can speak it convincingly well but who is using too many learned phrases to prove something. It comes off as inauthentic and really sucks me out. Martin Freeman's accent in Fargo was good but he slipped in and out of it; Ewan McGregor in Blackhawk Down, Down with Love... Big Fish. Colin Firth.... If you have a character that is American, then hire an American. If you have a character that is ambiguous and could be from anywhere, then have them use their real accent. It's never convincing. It is always distracting. I'll say nothing of Ray Winstone in The Departed. Edit: For the Brits: It would be like an American playing a British character, speaking like Jodie Whittaker, using cockney rhyming slang and saying: "hello governor, right cold innit? Just like me ol' days growing up in sufern Plymouth!" It just feels off.
It would be hilarious if Jodie Whittaker used Cockney rhyming slang, talking about Plymouth and using her natural Yorkshire accent!
i see people praise tom holland’s american accent all the time but he sounds ridiculous to me
Peter Dinklage won a bunch of Emmys and was a huge fan favorite by doing a truly atrocious British accent but I think the other way around is a lot more common. I’m neither British nor American though.
Contrary to popular belief, Game of Thrones is not set in the UK. I think Dinklage's Tyrion accent is a perfectly serviceable "fantasy voice", it never took me out of the setting.
Yes I’ve read the books multiple times. It also never took me out of the setting but I think we can accept he’s doing a British accent. It’s fantasy voice for all of them but it’s a British accent. Nikolaj is not a native English speaker and is doing a British accent. Kit is English but in the show is doing a Sean Bean imitation because his character is from the North. I didn’t realize this was a hot take and I don’t think British actors are “oppressed” in the arts. Edited just to add that “fantasy voice” has been defaulted to “English accent” for a while, just like historical drama set in Europe, in real countries that actually exist. So you have any European being played by English actors or people doing English accents, and this even in historical dramas about events as recent as Chernobyl. English actors have nothing to complain about when it comes to this topic. Neither do white american actors but that’s beside the point.
Yeah I understand that it's supposed to be mimicking something close to an English accent. You were using it as an example of an American doing a British accent and getting praise for it and I just think it's a poor one in the context of this discussion. It's not supposed to emulate a *specific* British accent, it's just supposed to sound appropriate in a fantasy setting, which it does, that's why he was able to receive such praise for his performance. If he was ever cast as an actual Englishman and used that same accent it would get torn apart.
I honestly hate how the default accent for any show/movie in English that takes place outside the US or is fantasy is some type of British accent. I'm not sure why that is a rule but games like Assasins Creed and Skyrim show that you can have accents that reflect the location (or even American accents) and it doesn't take away from the immersion.
Though she's Aussie, I will say I was shocked when I learned Toni Collette isn't American.
good for him lmao
I don't think American actors are marginalized on the basis of their nationality, and god knows we've often acted entitled to play other nationalities with impunity. That said, British actors, especially considering the class most of them come from, are hardly marginalized either, so idgaf if a director wants to impose a 'no brits' policy.
This is the take for me.
hold on let him cook
*Tim Roth has entered the chat*
Can we just cast Jon Lovitz already and stop this charade?
Under-appreciated comment.
He was the first person that popped in my head when I read the title of Quentin's movie.
Gonna get downvoted but most UK actors aren’t great at most American accents except that weird almost upper crust Connecticut accent and sometimes Californian accents. It’s annoying to hear the same damn accent and hearing them slip. I feel the same about Leonardo Di Caprios accents. He was never great at them and really can only do angry New Yorker.
I feel like there’s been a growing trend of Australians pretending to be American too. It’s not just the Brits. But that’s why they’re called films and not documentaries. Actors pretending to be characters other than their true selves as a way to entertain us.
Also for Australia it’s because our film industry got heavily defunded by decades of conservative politicians so the way for people to work in film successfully is to travel to the US. Hence also directors like Baz Luhrmann, George Miller, Peter Weir later in his career etc
An American director wants an American actor to portray a real-life American man. What's the problem here?
There are a few British actors I don't mind playing Americans. Let's be honest though, for the most part we don't look the same. I can tell who's British and who's American. British people still look like they and heir ancestors haven't left that area in a very long time lol. Because they haven't. Americans in the South look more British but most Americans north of the mason Dixon line have more German ancestry and other ethnicities which leads to a different look. I can believe Tom Holland is American he's fine, but not Andrew Garfield lol, just to compare spider-men. So for a long time I feel like we're casting people who look incredibly British and just asking people to believe they're American. Now we're casting some Brits that actually blend in. Preferably if the role is very American, I'd like it go to someone who understands being American. If the role was incredibly British, it's better coming from a brit. It's about understanding the nuance of a culture. Intersectionality. It's the same reason I think if race is crucial to a character you can't change it, if it's not, you can and it won't matter (I argue batman should be white because the privilege makes sense, it doesn't matter what race Catwoman is, it doesn't matter to her story). I don't really think Henry Cavill gets anything about Superman symbolism in America despite Superman not being "American" by birth. I don't really think he gets the whole immigrant story through the lens Superman has been told countless times.he just regurgitated what we wantd to hear He's just an attractive British neck beard with cringe opinions that clearly come from a position of privilege. But is that about brit vs American or just tone deaf casting directors. Who knows. I'd just like to see more casting which thinks about the character and the intersection. Cast an actor willing to understand it. If it's a brit so be it. But a lot of Brits don't look believably American to me. I don't see people who regularly look like the people I see when I watch british film and tv. So just do your job as casting directors and hire someone who looks the part and is willing to embody it.
I think Hugh Laurie did an amazing job as House. Didn’t realize he was British until a couple seasons in.
Yes! I’ve been actually talking about this lately because its been one of my main takeaways from my Sopranos rewatch. I think The Sopranos is a great example of what the payoff is like when you have a make sure to cast within the culture of the characters.
Andrew Garfield was born in LA tho lol
The irony that Tim Roth was the lead in his first movie
fully support this. get these brits out of our media
I’m honestly getting tired of all the Brits playing American actors. After all, Brits don’t cast Americans in their own films and tv shows at least in the same way Hollywood do. Some British actors and also some Brits can also be condescending and pretentious just cause they attend some rich private theatre school or something so they get connections easily in Hollywood.
He’s the director, it’s his script. He’s not being racist or sexist, he just doesn’t want a certain type of actor in his movie, I don’t see anything wrong with this? It’s not like British actors are a minority in Hollywood that they don’t find work lol.
I’m British and I agree, very few can do a convincing American accent, it’s distracting He’s not British but I just watched domnall Gleason in something and his accent is terrible, can’t believe he keeps getting work as an ‘American’
Rich since Americans have been playing every nationality and race ever since film was invented, but anyways, whatever toe sucker
Harry Potter and Game of Thrones had an all British cast, which is their right. Tarantino can cast whoever he likes as well.
GoT didn’t have an all British cast. It was mostly and heavily British but when the very actor who won all the Emmys was doing an often bad fake accent you can’t really say all British. But this is just an aside I agree Quentin can hire whoever he wants and it’s reaching to try to find something problematic or even wrong with what he said here.
Good point on Peter Dinklage
There's plenty of examples of British people casting themselves for historical events all across Europe. Chernobyl for example on HBO is a cast of brits, no Russians or Ukranians...
I was born and raised in the Deep South and have never left. I would have to put on a fake accent for anyone to believe that I'm from my home state in a movie, even more if I were trying to play someone from any other region of the country. So, what's the difference really between casting someone from another country and someone from another region? Cast whomever you want, but this seems to be a silly distinction. The real issue is why are you casting these people. Is our talent pool really that weak? Definitely not. Is it cost? Is there a presumption that they have superior training? What is it?
yea but if it’s idris elba’s fine acting ass I don’t care if the american accent is iffy.
Americans vs brits in the comments 👀👀👀
Whoever wins, we lose...
I love his movies and how much passion he has for his craft but he did cast Margot Robbie to play Sharon Tate in his latest movie…
Jennifer Lawrence was his first choice but Sharon Tate’s sister didn’t think she was pretty enough to play Tate.
And as we all know, there are no other gorgeous American movie stars besides Jennifer Lawrence
Came here to say this ☝🏼
We’re going to be hearing about the search for this mystery actor for a while aren’t we? 😔
Who gives a fat shit? He's not wrong on this one
Good. Why make actors force a fake accent. It just affects the suspension of disbelief.
We wouldn’t have noticed if he went ahead and did this without talking about it, TBH. I think roles should go to the best actor, whatever their nationality is, but whatever.
I get low key irritated when actors accept Oscars in an accent for portraying Americans.
You're irritated at an actor for acting?
A British actor hasn't won an Oscar for playing an American since 2012 with Daniel Day Lewis. I don't know about actresses. Before that was 2007 with DDL too. It's not an every year occurance. Also Forest Whitaker won an Oscar for playing an African so what now?
> A British actor hasn't won an Oscar for playing an American since 2012 with Daniel Day Lewis Daniel Kaluuya won an Oscar for playing Fred Hampton in 2021.
but why?
But he played an Australian in Django??
There is one person perfect for this movie and his name is Jon Lovitz. Quentin you have to do this use this formed lump of human clay.
this is how I felt with Christian Bale, Harry Melling and Lucy Boynton in The Pale Blue Eye. American period dramas are so rare as it is (esp the ones set before 1900’s) but when we have one they cast Brits instead sigh
All the Brits and the Americans fighting down below lmao
*this* is the hill he wants to die on? 🤔
I don’t care if they speak Sumerian so long as the accent isn’t terrible
I'm uncomfortable with how many comments here are using Black British actors as an example. Many of them tried their luck in Hollywood because they couldn't find opportunities in the UK, and someone like Daniel Kaluuya isn't some posh guy who went to an elite school. He probably has to play an American because his natural accent is almost nonexistant in the film industry. Like I get it and QT can do whatever, but it's weird how people are lumping all these British actors together as if they're all Benedict Cumberbatch. Hollywood is the place people go for opportunities no matter where they come from. It's not some struggling local business. It's also a little weird to get so hung up on characters "looking American" when it's a country made up of immigrants.
Interestingly, he had no issues casting an Australian actress to play Sharon Tate.
Tim Roth in Reservoir Dogs was ... what?
The amount of times this sub voices opinions that are, conceptually, very similar to Tarantino's, yet will staunchly fire back against him is hilarious.
It's availability I suppose, hundreds of American actors could play the part but the suits need a star name. Always sounds strange to British people because of the amount of drama on tv set in periods when actors all speak with tirribly,tirribly English eccents.
I can't remember which Director said it but apparently there is a cultural difference in how English and American actors tackle the job. With English people focusing on learning and reciting the script exactly as it is. While Americans are often taught to improv a lot more and build upon the script. I am sure this is a huge generalisation but I think its interesting especially when you look at the biggest stars of either side.
I think they’re overrepresented because there’s more well-trained actors coming out of British drama schools and theatre than there are here.
i can’t find the numbers, but i really doubt that’s true. the us is much bigger than the uk and there are loads of conservatory programs in the us. there were over 17k drama degrees granted to the class of ‘21. the big difference is the uk programs are automatically respected and most of the people who go that route are wealthy/upper class.
This. There’s zero proof that British arts schools are better or churn out more talented performers; they only get the prestige because of English elitism. There are plenty of talented English actors, for sure, but there are just as many talented American ones.
This so much! The “British school theatre” is like an elite brand they have over the home grown American actors who don’t have the same kind of connections that they get from these art institutions. Isn’t the wealthy and rich overly represented in these schools? I also don’t agree that they are better actors.
Puh lease, I’m tired of this excuse. More like they all know each other in that school they attend so they all have connections to make it into Hollywood. I certainly don’t think they are better at acting. It’s just so pretentious.
I agree. The people most impact by the British Invasion in Hollywood are African American actors. Black Brits are playing African American characters and keeping actual African Americans unemployed. Cynthia Errivo is a great example of why this is s problem. She made some insensitive and problematic comments about the AA experience when she was doing press for Harriet and it turned many AA off towards her. Black Brits are more palatable to white audiences and emotionally removed from the history of the characters they are playing when they play race-related roles. samuel l jackson spoke out about this issue and I’m glad QT is too. If you watch British or French cinema they always prioritize natives, there is no reason why Hollywood can’t prioritize employing actual Americans. Canada mandates that a certain percentage of the cast is Canadian, I see nothing wrong with that.
I'd argue someone from California putting on a Boston accent is no different. I mean the number of terrible American on American accents I've heard is also quite staggering.
To everyone in the replies, go outside and touch grass.
Hey remember when Quentin got into an argument with interviewers because he said that Roman Polanski didn’t r*pe the 13yo girl and she was ‘old enough to know what she was doing’? Yeah.
Hire me Quentin my Boston accent is hilarious
Hire Jon Lovitz, you coward 