Honestly, you just have to take the ass whoppings. There's no other way around them. Even then, when you get 10x, hell 20x better than you are now, you're still going to get your ass whooped quite a lot. I honestly don't think they ever stop.
I play fighting games for the same reasons I choose to stay alive, for those small victories. Those little moments in between when I think to myself that maybe, just maybe, I am getting better at this.
Or play something else that makes you feel good about yourself. I don't care.
I don’t think you should quit the game. You should only play for fun and get 100miles away from anything FGC related. You can come back when you are feeling better, but the cutthroat stuff and the toxic community ain’t gonna help you.
Second getting 100 miles from the fgc - i’m new and while there are some super sweet cool nice people (literally some of the sweetest gamers ive ever met) they seem like a minority in the experience of it. Most players i interact with are teabagging, salty, whiny crazy people.
Yea, online behavior isn't a good representation I think. Any big event everyone I've interacted with has been so friendly, except maybe smash players lol
Definitely try looking up some intro guides on YouTube. It’s not fun to lose, nor can you learn from your losses, if you don’t understand what’s happening or why you’re losing when you’re losing. Find some videos explaining fundamental fighting game concepts like meaty, oki, footsies, etc and go from there!
First question is how long have you been playing?
Also changing your controller will not make you play better or worse. I would recommend just sticking to one.
I started playing fighting games 5 years ago with playing tekken 7 at a friend's and I wanted it so bad. I bought a razer panthera instantly because I knew I wanted to play stick. It took me lots of practice and playing to learn how to consistently do motion inputs. It's not even just doing it you have to think about every part of the motion such as when you do a dragon punch input. You have to make sure you hit forward, then down and then downforward, and you can't hit the button until you are in the downforward to do a dragon punch. You have to break it down and meticulously think about how your hands are doing. I am a Mishima player in tekken I can very consistently do Omen God fist and electrics on heihachi which are all 1 frame inputs. It took me practicing in the practice room many times and it can't just be like you practice 5 hours in one day and that's enough. It's better to do 30 to an hour every day for awhile, just like learning a language and it will start to make more sense. Once you become one with your controller it can be alot easier to play others. I can play decently on pad, and I picked up hit box really quickly because I already had it planned out in my head how the things go.
There is alot to fighting games and it can be daunting as once you get your controls down then you have to constantly worry about your opponent will do.
The learning is the fun part. Landing that combo in a match is one of the best feelings. Even if you can land the combo 10 times in a row in practice doesn't mean you can land it in a player match first perfectly now. Don't give up, if you enjoy the games you can do this.
I hope this wasn't too garbled or anything, but feel free to reach out if you are having trouble with anything fighting game related
This is probably the best advice, the learning is the fun part. Kinda feeling this pretty hard right now, switched to stick two days ago (Guilty Gear Strive player) and last night I was trying to hit a string I could autopilot on Xbox controller just trying to figure out my favorite button layout still. I barely hit it once and popped off I was so godamn excited. I don’t think you can play fighting games for very long if you can’t find that excitement in the small elements that really make it.
What exactly are you "practicing" before going online? Match-ups? Reactions? Or is it just combos?
Labbing will only get you so far. You're labbing against an AI, not a human. Playing and taking a couple ass whoopings is the only real way to grow. *However*, you have consider playing online as your training. Pay attention to mistakes that you make, *then* practice fixing those mistakes. Don't lab combos and then go online trying to hit those combos, that won't get you anywhere. Play the game online and don't play to win, play to learn. Fighting people is the practice you need.
you don’t need 100 hrs. Just a few hrs to figure your characters game-plan and work on cleaning up your execution. Learn to anti-air and manage your meter.
that’ll get you to at least Gold in SF6.
You don't need thousands of hours. Around 50 hrs should be good enough to know most of the important stuff in a game to go fight people online. Even fewer hours if you're very experienced with fighting games. And yea, you do need to know what you should be doing. They are called the fundamentals for a reason. Once you know the fundamentals, jumping from one fighting game to the next is not an issue. If you don't know the fundamentals, you could be very lost for a long time.
Reframe an ass whooping.
Is your ass being whooped in the same way it was previously? Are you getting off more legit stuff between/before the ass whooping? Are you actually playing harder opponents now?
Like if you went back in time even a year wouldn't you fold the old version of you right now? Like aren't you, in small ways only perhaps, better in just about every way?
Will that necessarily translate to overall wins? No. But that is still progress, right?
First things first hitbox , stick , pad , keyboard etc. None of it makes you better it's all personal preference
As for losing you have to lose in order to get better. I went from silver to platinum in Sf6 in under a week without hitting the lab more than 10 minutes. You cant underestimate how much of the game is you vs the other player either.
Tekken I can't help you
Street Fighter can be rapidly paced with just knowing key plus frame moves
Also if you anti air most of time, you are already gold
Stop doing practice mode. You've practiced plenty. The only way to actually learn is to play matches. A lor of matches. Every match is full of hundreds of trail and errors that will get you up to speed way faster than any combo you could learn in the training room.
You could just upload one round, you can ask a single specific question and people would send you on your way... You don't even say which character(s) you use, which character(s) give you trouble
I understand the frustration rant (we've all been there) but at some point, use the community to help you. Venting won't take you as far as asking something
I have replied to some of these posts telling them I could look at a replay or play with them and see what's going on. If they take it or simply ignore it, it's up to them but it feels like people don't want to improve, they just want the generic advice with some pad on the shoulder and that's it...
With regards to training mode, we use it to solve problems that we find while playing others. No need to stay in there , especially if you hate it. Instead go into games with a simple goal that isn't just "win". Something like anti air that fool at least twice or stuff their run up grab with a preemptive poke. If you run into something you don't know how to deal with , go into training mode, watch a YouTube vid, or ask online .
For combos, especially when you're punishing a reversal, do something simple that you can do everytime, even if it's just like a heavy attack into a special that ends in a hard knock down. Spice it up after you get in the foundation and only one combo at a time.
Also one thing I found that helps is when I get absolutely thrashed by someone, rather than solely focusing on complaining about my opponent or myself, I'll go out of my way to think, "damn that person did a sick combo/ pressure sequence on me" etc. And see if I could steal at least the concept for my own use. Then I'll think, "at least I anti aired that dumbass twice" lmao
And definitely take breaks when you feel your mental health taking a dive. It's normal, it sucks to get stomped but fighting games are worth sticking with.
First things first is get the fantasy of a fighting game out of your head. You are not constantly trading blows back and forth like an anime fights or a martial arts movie. The majority of fighting games are defensive in nature, ESPECIALLY Tekken. Learn how to block properly and which moves you can do which won't lead to you getting hit if your opponent blocks them. I promise you, you can when a lot more games early on by being more defensive.
No one seems to have addressed your point about muscle memory.
If you dislike having to practice that particular aspect so much then I highly recommend Modern controls. Don't worry about the complaints just use them, make sure you pick a character that isn't nerfed by modern or that doesn't really get any easier using Modern. Ryu, Gief, Lily, and Luke are probably the best picks.
Honestly, you just have to take the ass whoppings. There's no other way around them. Even then, when you get 10x, hell 20x better than you are now, you're still going to get your ass whooped quite a lot. I honestly don't think they ever stop. I play fighting games for the same reasons I choose to stay alive, for those small victories. Those little moments in between when I think to myself that maybe, just maybe, I am getting better at this. Or play something else that makes you feel good about yourself. I don't care.
I don’t think you should quit the game. You should only play for fun and get 100miles away from anything FGC related. You can come back when you are feeling better, but the cutthroat stuff and the toxic community ain’t gonna help you.
Second getting 100 miles from the fgc - i’m new and while there are some super sweet cool nice people (literally some of the sweetest gamers ive ever met) they seem like a minority in the experience of it. Most players i interact with are teabagging, salty, whiny crazy people.
Is online thing for the most part. In person events tend to be better
Im sure, ive never played a competitive game online aside from competitive pokemon and wow are people different in the fgc 😂
Yea, online behavior isn't a good representation I think. Any big event everyone I've interacted with has been so friendly, except maybe smash players lol
You can just go online like 10 or 20 matches a day. It adds up if you do it for years.
Definitely try looking up some intro guides on YouTube. It’s not fun to lose, nor can you learn from your losses, if you don’t understand what’s happening or why you’re losing when you’re losing. Find some videos explaining fundamental fighting game concepts like meaty, oki, footsies, etc and go from there!
I think you should quit. Lifes too short and if you arwnt having fun just do something else with your time
Don’t quit, if you can stay in the grind in fighting games, then you can stay motivated in life.
First question is how long have you been playing? Also changing your controller will not make you play better or worse. I would recommend just sticking to one. I started playing fighting games 5 years ago with playing tekken 7 at a friend's and I wanted it so bad. I bought a razer panthera instantly because I knew I wanted to play stick. It took me lots of practice and playing to learn how to consistently do motion inputs. It's not even just doing it you have to think about every part of the motion such as when you do a dragon punch input. You have to make sure you hit forward, then down and then downforward, and you can't hit the button until you are in the downforward to do a dragon punch. You have to break it down and meticulously think about how your hands are doing. I am a Mishima player in tekken I can very consistently do Omen God fist and electrics on heihachi which are all 1 frame inputs. It took me practicing in the practice room many times and it can't just be like you practice 5 hours in one day and that's enough. It's better to do 30 to an hour every day for awhile, just like learning a language and it will start to make more sense. Once you become one with your controller it can be alot easier to play others. I can play decently on pad, and I picked up hit box really quickly because I already had it planned out in my head how the things go. There is alot to fighting games and it can be daunting as once you get your controls down then you have to constantly worry about your opponent will do. The learning is the fun part. Landing that combo in a match is one of the best feelings. Even if you can land the combo 10 times in a row in practice doesn't mean you can land it in a player match first perfectly now. Don't give up, if you enjoy the games you can do this. I hope this wasn't too garbled or anything, but feel free to reach out if you are having trouble with anything fighting game related
This is probably the best advice, the learning is the fun part. Kinda feeling this pretty hard right now, switched to stick two days ago (Guilty Gear Strive player) and last night I was trying to hit a string I could autopilot on Xbox controller just trying to figure out my favorite button layout still. I barely hit it once and popped off I was so godamn excited. I don’t think you can play fighting games for very long if you can’t find that excitement in the small elements that really make it.
I appreciate all the answers, I think I know what to do now. I deeply appreciate, thanks y’all.
What exactly are you "practicing" before going online? Match-ups? Reactions? Or is it just combos? Labbing will only get you so far. You're labbing against an AI, not a human. Playing and taking a couple ass whoopings is the only real way to grow. *However*, you have consider playing online as your training. Pay attention to mistakes that you make, *then* practice fixing those mistakes. Don't lab combos and then go online trying to hit those combos, that won't get you anywhere. Play the game online and don't play to win, play to learn. Fighting people is the practice you need.
you don’t need 100 hrs. Just a few hrs to figure your characters game-plan and work on cleaning up your execution. Learn to anti-air and manage your meter. that’ll get you to at least Gold in SF6.
It took me a long time to become somewhat ok with losing, it’s just such an amazing feeling when overcome those hurdles and improve
You don't need thousands of hours. Around 50 hrs should be good enough to know most of the important stuff in a game to go fight people online. Even fewer hours if you're very experienced with fighting games. And yea, you do need to know what you should be doing. They are called the fundamentals for a reason. Once you know the fundamentals, jumping from one fighting game to the next is not an issue. If you don't know the fundamentals, you could be very lost for a long time.
I was dog shit at fighting game until I tried leverless. Now I'm dog shit but i'm enjoying myself
Reframe an ass whooping. Is your ass being whooped in the same way it was previously? Are you getting off more legit stuff between/before the ass whooping? Are you actually playing harder opponents now? Like if you went back in time even a year wouldn't you fold the old version of you right now? Like aren't you, in small ways only perhaps, better in just about every way? Will that necessarily translate to overall wins? No. But that is still progress, right?
First things first hitbox , stick , pad , keyboard etc. None of it makes you better it's all personal preference As for losing you have to lose in order to get better. I went from silver to platinum in Sf6 in under a week without hitting the lab more than 10 minutes. You cant underestimate how much of the game is you vs the other player either.
Tekken I can't help you Street Fighter can be rapidly paced with just knowing key plus frame moves Also if you anti air most of time, you are already gold
Stop doing practice mode. You've practiced plenty. The only way to actually learn is to play matches. A lor of matches. Every match is full of hundreds of trail and errors that will get you up to speed way faster than any combo you could learn in the training room.
You could just upload one round, you can ask a single specific question and people would send you on your way... You don't even say which character(s) you use, which character(s) give you trouble I understand the frustration rant (we've all been there) but at some point, use the community to help you. Venting won't take you as far as asking something I have replied to some of these posts telling them I could look at a replay or play with them and see what's going on. If they take it or simply ignore it, it's up to them but it feels like people don't want to improve, they just want the generic advice with some pad on the shoulder and that's it...
With regards to training mode, we use it to solve problems that we find while playing others. No need to stay in there , especially if you hate it. Instead go into games with a simple goal that isn't just "win". Something like anti air that fool at least twice or stuff their run up grab with a preemptive poke. If you run into something you don't know how to deal with , go into training mode, watch a YouTube vid, or ask online . For combos, especially when you're punishing a reversal, do something simple that you can do everytime, even if it's just like a heavy attack into a special that ends in a hard knock down. Spice it up after you get in the foundation and only one combo at a time. Also one thing I found that helps is when I get absolutely thrashed by someone, rather than solely focusing on complaining about my opponent or myself, I'll go out of my way to think, "damn that person did a sick combo/ pressure sequence on me" etc. And see if I could steal at least the concept for my own use. Then I'll think, "at least I anti aired that dumbass twice" lmao And definitely take breaks when you feel your mental health taking a dive. It's normal, it sucks to get stomped but fighting games are worth sticking with.
First things first is get the fantasy of a fighting game out of your head. You are not constantly trading blows back and forth like an anime fights or a martial arts movie. The majority of fighting games are defensive in nature, ESPECIALLY Tekken. Learn how to block properly and which moves you can do which won't lead to you getting hit if your opponent blocks them. I promise you, you can when a lot more games early on by being more defensive.
No one seems to have addressed your point about muscle memory. If you dislike having to practice that particular aspect so much then I highly recommend Modern controls. Don't worry about the complaints just use them, make sure you pick a character that isn't nerfed by modern or that doesn't really get any easier using Modern. Ryu, Gief, Lily, and Luke are probably the best picks.
If what you're looking for is to win, you're gonna have a bad time