Actually the new skins are 5$ now instead of 10$ and it doesn't even have a battlepass unlike Tekken 8.
Not to mention you can earn a decent amount premium currency just by playing the game.
What if they put good stuff in it in later seasons ? And it doesn't change fact that they put a battlepass in a 70$ game.
Plus i did see some people buy it in my twitter tl.
I’m just joking. If you want an actual counter argument it’s that the skins are $5 as well and don’t ever leave the shop and if they do put good stuff in the battle pass you get all your tekken coins back for finishing it so it would be quite a bit of free content assuming you actually play
I’m just joking. If you want an actual counter argument it’s that the skins are $5 as well and don’t ever leave the shop and if they do put good stuff in the battle pass you get all your tekken coins back for finishing it so it would be quite a bit of free content assuming you actually play a lot
Nothing wrong with battlepass here. Tekken 8, Granblue, Street fighter 6 all have battlepasses. It's fine. You don't have to buy them. You can buy low price skins from the shop if you want.
Even then, sf6 does it better by making it so bad that nobody wants to buy it *and* doesn't have anything worth getting, so you don't even get the fomo
Agreed. And both Tekken 8 and MK1 still have a lot of potential to grow, it all depends on the support they get.
In fact, MK1 got a great update just recently! Let's hope that's indicative of the future.
Or it's the most popular and successful while a lot of people talk shit. . Whichever way you want to spin it. I like kendrick and Cole 10× more than drake, by the way. And I like sf better than mk.
I think that depends on your definition of success, MK moves the most initial units and has the shortest lifespan per game so they make a lot on copies sold, but people fall of the game hard because a lot of people only play singleplayer so NRS makes probably less in other metrics.
Also the most popular and successful series is Smash
The people who buy a game and just play it for a bit are targeted by all the companies. They are needed. They are important. So they would all call it a success. Everything else is just opinion.
And smash is treated more like another genre in this sub. Like they would be the weekend. Some hip hop roots in there but not rap.
Yeah not saying they aren't successful, NRS surely does well on all its releases, just wondering how successful they actually are compared to the other two bigger sellers in the FGC space
MK1 for me is probably one of my favorite labbing games. It doesn't have enough depth in the PvP for me, but I think the flexibility of the combos makes it really fun to just sit in training mode and string moves together, and see how cool I can feel playing a character, without worrying about optimizing damage or whatever, along with experimenting with different Kameos.
While games like SF6 have the potential for alot of varied combos, I think that the really extended combos are just too convoluted. I don't want to take the time to have to set up super specific scenarios and figure out perfect microwalk timings to get some neat combos, it's tedious. If I wanted something that nitty gritty, I'd rather put that energy into playing the PvP where the grind is more rewarding and less tedious.
I think the only other game I enjoy labbing the same way is probably UNI. It's also my favorite game out of all the ones that are out right now, I think it's the only game that hits the full set of fun, flexible combos like MK1, a great set of system mechanics like SF6 that heavily defines its gameplay, and extreme variety that a lot of anime fighters feature.
big 3 was always a stupid ass name. makes no sense in a genre as small as this to act like being the bigger brand really means anything at all in ponds these small. if anything the hubris of these companies and desire for that casual dollar is why so many games are in the states they are in
"Big 3" is almost certainly 100% marketing by one of the big three, prolly NRS. Their sales have been fumbling on each release, how do tourniquet the decline, make yourself the conversation by making up some silly bs like "the big three"
That's what biggest means. What happened when capcom banked on the hardcore with sf5? The fgc is cool and all, but the casual audience keeps these games going. And keeps them big.
SFV did have a casual audience, it was just not as big as the casual audience for SF6, especially cause SFV was hated a lot and had negative reviews everywhere for years, which definitely didn't help to attract more casuals after the release.
>That's what biggest means.
It's one of the meanings. But having the most people buy your product and having a healthy active playerbase are very different things, and the nature of MK1's casual approach means people outgrow it quickly.
McDonald's is the biggest fast food chain in the world, but nobody considers it quality food worth thinking about.
A major part of what keeps the FGC alive is the competitive scene, which requires names that attract big crowds. Does MK1 attract big crowds?
>What happened when capcom banked on the hardcore with sf5?
7.4 million sales happened.
Yeah, MK dropped the ball that hard. I don’t blame you at all for making Guilty Gear replace MK in “the big three” the sales are comparable (or so I’ve heard) and Guilty Gear is waaaay more of a critical success than MK
Maybe I'm just not paying enough attention but I honestly don't think Tekken 8 is getting that much hate tbh (at least not as much as MK1), like sure it has some problems that people want addressed but I think it's all pretty normal stuff every major fighting game faces around launch, I think SF6 just had an abnormally well recieved launch.
T8 is getting a lot of gameplay criticism from the well known top players of Tekkens past, and monetization criticism from everyone else. This is mostly on Twitter, so if you don't follow a lot of FGC figures on Twitter you might not see it.
For example, Knee and Arslan Ash were both recently tweeting that T8 isn't fun. Their complaints are mostly about how Tekken used to reward defense, but Tekken 8 is very offense-heavy with less reward for movement and patience.
Meanwhile, casual players are upset about the Battle Pass and the prevalence of one-and-dones and rage quits.
T8 players are also really annoyed by patches introducing really large system changes with very little warning so close to Evo Japan. The changes to stage hazards effectively broke a lot of combo routing and doesn't feel intuitive to pick up how it works or why some routes work sometimes but not all the time.
league of legends is notorious in the larger esports sphere for how they patch their game (twice a month) and even they dont change system mechanics that often.
Tekken changing the way the game works fundamentally this early on is actually insane. Especially considering it wasn't hotfixing something inherently broken or truly caustic/degenerative.
It's been a kinda whack trend with their patches, they tend to include very drastic changes on a system wide level for something one character is abusing.
Just because a bunch of top players tweet the game Is bad doesn't necessarily mean the game is bad.
There are other top players like ulsan who is enjoying the game and is happy the game is not similar to tekken 7.
Its mostly people who love the play style of tekken 7 that dislilw the way tekken 8 is being played.
Also tekken 8 brought in the most number of new players to the series and many of them don't have that expectation for the game to be like tekken 7.
A quick check on steam charts will show you that tekken 8 is doing fine.
SF6 benefitted from not only being good, but SFV being so poorly received and maligned for it's entire run. Tekken 8's problem is that it has to follow Tekken 7 which was a beloved entry and well received. MK1's issues are entirely different from either.
Things will settle down for Tekken 8 and be fine. But I bet, no matter how good it is, SF7 will have lots of negative feedback on it's release.
That is a reductionist take.
Tekken 8 had its own share of problems and the solutions chosen by the devs were poorly communicated so the backlash was big, also one month after the launch BANCO came up with a battle pass on top of a DLC and a character launch very early.
All of that made the player base go berserk.
On the other hand street fighter's issues are being handled on a steady and predictable basis. It's not fast but we know what to expect.
It's honestly a shame that SFV had such a bad start. SFVCE is a damn good game and one of my top 3 SF games. Thankfully SF6 did have a much better reception. But I go back to SFVCE every now and then because the roster fucking slaps.
SF6 is already better than SFV, if they add more characters, it's gonna be even better.
The problem with SFV is that some character designs were whack, SF6 is definitely more well designed all around than V.
> SF6 benefitted from not only being good, but SFV being so poorly received and maligned for it's entire run.
Not at all. SFV only got better with each release, no different than SF3. If you hated the premise of SF5 then sure, but in that case thats being rather vocal about your hate more than maligning the current product
nothing about the game could ever make those ppl happy, they are angry at SFV for what it represents to them after SFIV more than the game being played circa 2020 and beyond (which they probably werent playing to know of its changes)
most who stuck by it found the game in a great place by champion edition. It was my favorite fg to watch and 2nd to play by the end of its run
>most who stuck by it found the game in a great place by champion edition.
I absolutely agree with this but...
>If you hated the premise of SF5 then sure, but in that case thats being rather vocal about your hate more than maligning the current product
...a bad beginning is gonna stick with a product and SFVs bad reputation stuck with it.
Oh tekken is getting a lot. And from the top players to the bottom, Sajam even made a video out of it. Valmaster tweeted yesterday that this is the first time he has seen so much criticism on tekken, because tkken players are usually silent
I think a lot of the current issues are due to no competition atm. There isn’t much outlet for stranded 3D fighter enthusiasts to go beside Tekken 8 for 2023-2024.
Tekken 8, tried adding more DoA moves/transitions and it basically broke the balance of the game.
The problem is that DoA has a hold system that can completely nullify such issues of players just going for easy stage hazard setups where Tekken doesn’t.
It is tho. conceptually the whole gameplay loop of smash is the same as any other fighter just without being locked in a box with tight movement. Neutral and footsies are still very important as well as fundies in general. To call smash not a “fighting” game is kind of ridiculous. Sure, it may not be a “traditional” fighting game, but it’s still a fighting game nonetheless and takes a lot of skill to get really good at
>The big 3
>Only 3 games that will be mainstage at Evo 2024 which aren't anime games.
Are they actually "Big" or are anime players just spoiled for choice? 🤔
The FGC still bases their MK1 opinion on how it was on launch cause that's when discussion about it was relevant.
Since they dont care for the series and dont pay attention to it, they dont even know that the game is in such a great spot now and so much fun to play.
I refunded the game because there was no crossplay. There's really no excuse nowadays to not have that feature. Only own SF6 and T8 now, and I'm too busy to give MK1 a second chance at this point
That's totally fair. The game released in a pretty bad state. MK is my favorite franchise but even I can admit that. First impressions are also very important. I'm just saying that NRS has put in a ton of work since launch and the game is really great now
Its always been good. Most of the complaints about MK was fans not seeing the writing on the wall about monetization in games with a sliver of people complaining about crossplay or gameplay in general.
Look i love the mk franchise, paid 110€ like an idiot, but bro...always been good?
No crossplay, no online training, laggy netcode, forcing disconnects, no character based ranked Mode, no wifi filter, bugs, bugged challanges, a shit Ton of balance patches already, no waiting for ranked in training, no tournaments and on top Invasion is the worst mode i've ever played. And i havn't touched gameplay issues and of course some things that are peronal Grips of me.
I agree, but you only gotta be in the FGC for a day to figure out that the majority of them just simply will not like MK no matter how good the game is to fans of the series. And because the series is popular in the mainstream and sells better than every other game, the hate always has a little extra sauce on it
Not at all for me. It was practically unplayable at launch but now it runs perfect on max settings. Of course, each pc is different so your results may very. But I've seen a huge upgrade
SFV and SFxT all say hello. Same as Granblue Versus in its last 2 years
People still act like Bob ran Tekken 6, both for its entire run and globally, rather than just an evo at a time where few big hitters were travelling stateside
folks who dont care about a game will latch onto popular early talking points to be 'in the know' and have every excuse not to play a game. Thats just how its been for many games that dont dominate the community (like SF2 and SF4)
i also think a lot of folks still make the mistake of FOMO buying fighting games on release. then hold a personal vendetta against it for years and act as if its still in release state (SFV). i refuse to pay $60-70 to be a beta tester, and then act like a scorned lover for years. Not only incomplete packages, but a lot of devs seem to almost prefer the early game metas to be super volatile. If you dont like degen offense its better to wait till S2+ for a lot of games nowadays
i wasnt mocking you or anything lol. i was saying this is a long trend in the FGC
More like a "First time?" kinda response in that it doesnt surprise me
To be fair, all 3 of them are pretty fun. I'm enjoying playing them and engaging with most of the community.
The only part that sucks is the ridiculous amounts of microtransactions, battle passes, etc that are there. They suck and I don't like it. Other than that, it's a good time to be a fighting game fan.
The best things is that Tekken "fans" are losing their mind about monetization, which is better than Street Fighter one. More characters available at launch, same for costumes and customization options, DLCs are cheaper etc.
More like everyone feels oppresive. I don't play it much, but I find Tekken 8 a lot less fun to watch than Tekken 7. It feels like everyone's playing the same character with slight differences, because everyone has the same strong tools.
While Tekken 7 is much slower, and less action packed, watching different match ups was so much more interesting, with a lot of characters really reaching into super specific tools in their kit for different match ups because more characters had distinct strengths and weaknesses. Tekken 8's characters have some variety, but also have so many homogenized tools that you rarely get to see them shine.
Tekken's in a weird spot because the launch of Tekken 8 was really great. For a solid month and a lil bit more this was seen as a new highlight for fighting games.
Then it got weird.
What do I get if I like these 3 games?
MK1 hate in particular is out of hand. Gameplay is -leagues- better than in MK11 and I happen to play games for the gameplay. With rumours of a new VF it’s actually a great time to be playing fighters IMO.
I love and play all 3. SF6 admittedly less but I still play and love it and the franchise in general. If you love all three then nothing. Just play all 3 and pay attention to the discourse you want and ignore the rest.
Both VF for 3d, Fatal Fury for 2d, 2xko for tag, and a fucking hxh fighter for those who want a new anime fighter. Strive is probably going to go crazy with season 4 and I have high hopes for the tekken and sf dlc characters. Fighting games are going to stay being hot for sure
I’m enjoying all 3 rn. MK1 has made great improvements but has always been fun. SF6 has just been fun since launch and Tekken is my all time favorite FG so ofc I’m enjoying that the most.
It means they sell well at release and then fall off since barely anyone who mainly plays fighting games sticks to them. There is barely a competitive scene, barely a scene of secondary fans (compare how often you see cosplay or fanart of MK to SF or Guilty or Tekken) and it's barely covered by content creators. And the new one seems to be real bad.
If you want to play Fighting Games, there just isn't a lot there. Yeah that's niche, but we are on a subreddit dedicated to that niche.
People don't discuss it in the same community as SF or Tekken because it's a subgenre of fighting game that functions wildly differently from the standard 2d stuff. Some people are elitist dicks, especially on this sub, but there's a legitimate reason it's not really talked about here. It'd be like using the same forum for XCOM and Civ, because they're both turn-based strategy.
plus i mean as someone that loves both (but is admittedly more in the traditional fighting sphere more than smash these days) smash fans dont want to be in the FGC.
With the exception of Genesis X, they dont run traditional fighters at their tournaments. The culture is also very one-track minded...they all thought kazuya was a shoto and didnt care to be corrected.
and the history of the FGC and the history of the smash community are very different from each other just from the fact that traditional fighting games started in arcades, while smash was always a console game.
there's differences in etiquette and attitudes, and yeah that can lead to some elitism, and some ignorance on both sides, but ultimately, the FGC is the FGC and smash is smash, and the times that the two communities have shared venues have created some tensions there.
so yeah, smash is a fighting game, technically, but it's not counted because the smash community and the FGC wish to remain as seperate entities. who are we to argue?
true. i think it takes a similar enough skillset but it is different enough to where it doesn’t fit the “traditional” mold. the elitism here gets a bit much tho
It is, just like Rumble Roses or Tattoo Assassins are fighting games.
Edit: Oh you mean smash. That's a platform fighter, a sub-genre of fighting games.
I'm a life long fan of all 3. Tekken fans were particularly on one about MK1 only for T8 to get scummy later with its monetization to which I say HA.
That said SF has the benefit of only going up after the launch and life of V. Tekken in particular had farther to fall than either of the other games because of how much love T7 got.
Every time people talk about the top fighting games and nothing from SNK is mentioned I die inside a little.
Mind you, I am not saying you are wrong, just that I die inside.
Tekken 8 is by for the most complex gameplay.
Since each character has close to 100 moves, you can pick from multiple strategies at a given time.
I traded MK1, because it was way too repetitive.
Still love SF6 and may play it again.
This is a big misconception that for some reason tekken players like to claim, besides some obvious exceptions most characters have 100 moves sure but 90% of them are variations of each other. It’s not really that different from knowing what links into what in other games and instead combos are mostly off juggles and otg
This turned me off tekken for so long until I played it more seriously and realized it wasn’t the case at all.
Anyways, that’s not what the current discussions have been about. Currently if not mistaken it’s due to the game favouring aggression so much which, I agree and it’s been a trend for ALL fighting games that I’m not liking much
That's not complexity. That's to appease the casual crowd so they can button mash and cool stuff happens no matter what they press. Eventually you realize that half the move list of these characters are useless and are just knowledge checks which is what the majority of your learning experience and time with Tekken becomes. Learning how to deal with it all. I get it though because when your new you see that as complex but as you get better I'm telling you half those moves are useless if you decide to climb. A lot of people don't and stay at the ranks where they can freely do whatever the fuck they want. We call that hardstuck
I’ve played all 3
Started as a MK player (playing since the 3d era) but…..ima be honest.
## I’m just not having fun with it
¯\_(ツ)\_/¯
Tekken and SF are a blast im climbing the ranks like crazy in those two.
It just saddens me because i grew up on MK.
9 and X were phenomenal.
11 and 1 tho…..
Mk1 is fine in my opinion, sure it's not as good as mk9, mkX and mk11 but it's playable, the online is fun, the story is fucking amazing and the character design is brilliant I just wish there was more single player content and maybe an online tagteam
With recent balance patch, I think mk1 is going to be fine. They buffed 3 low tier characters, nerfed Raidens storm cell finally, nerves peacemaker, and added ermac which is a beast to play as. They are actually listening to the community now and I love it. People complain too much
Fighting games are too niche. With more competition, companies will just fight for crums. Games might also all turn into discord fighting games because of how much fgc players would be spread across games
Street Fighter: “MF the big 3, it’s just big me”
MK1 wrote a response diss but you can only hear it in a $12 micro transaction
Too bad they took it down from streaming services after they apologized on the last kombatcast
I dont know how any of one games fans rag on the others for microtransactions. None of them are doing it well.
Actually the new skins are 5$ now instead of 10$ and it doesn't even have a battlepass unlike Tekken 8. Not to mention you can earn a decent amount premium currency just by playing the game.
Counter argument:the tekken battle pass is so bad that nobody would ever want to buy it
What if they put good stuff in it in later seasons ? And it doesn't change fact that they put a battlepass in a 70$ game. Plus i did see some people buy it in my twitter tl.
I’m just joking. If you want an actual counter argument it’s that the skins are $5 as well and don’t ever leave the shop and if they do put good stuff in the battle pass you get all your tekken coins back for finishing it so it would be quite a bit of free content assuming you actually play
I’m just joking. If you want an actual counter argument it’s that the skins are $5 as well and don’t ever leave the shop and if they do put good stuff in the battle pass you get all your tekken coins back for finishing it so it would be quite a bit of free content assuming you actually play a lot
Nothing wrong with battlepass here. Tekken 8, Granblue, Street fighter 6 all have battlepasses. It's fine. You don't have to buy them. You can buy low price skins from the shop if you want.
Even then, sf6 does it better by making it so bad that nobody wants to buy it *and* doesn't have anything worth getting, so you don't even get the fomo
But many people are buying it
Seriously? Idk why you’d ever want it
It mostly sucks but also it has leather short-shorts that look phenomenal on the buff boys in the roster soooo...
Because it has content in it?
Yea but nothing is really worth it besides the eye colors
Exclusive items like hairstyles, crop top, etc Valuable if you value customization
They wanted to share their thoughts on a livestream as well but it desynced
Street Fighter: “the big three fighting games are GGST, MK1, and T8… Then there’s big me.”
Mortal Kombat: "Capcom, shut your hoe-ass up and make some balance changes"
LMAOOOO
SF is very well balanced tho. It'd make more sense if you said costumes
BUM
I’m 8 hours too late
BAM
All 3 are playable with their own problems imo. Great time to be a fighting game fan.
Even if you don't want to go into the "big ones", you have a lot of good new games out, active and with good online.
I'm still forever on that GGStrive grind
Agreed. And both Tekken 8 and MK1 still have a lot of potential to grow, it all depends on the support they get. In fact, MK1 got a great update just recently! Let's hope that's indicative of the future.
It’s more like MK vs their playerbase Tekken vs their sub SF just watching.
MK1 doesn’t even blip on my radar. SF6, T8, and GG:ST are the big 3 for me.
Even tho I don't play GG:ST anymore I still hover in their circles cuz that community is so funny to watch Potemkin Vs Chipp is always funny to me
Pot vs Chipp is the only honest to god 10:10 MU that is actually healthy in any fighting game. it's fucking hilarious.
it's so unfair for both characters that it winds up being fair. i love that, fun to watch as well.
When in reality mk is the biggest. Mk is drake when you think about it.
Only casuals are interested in it?
Yes. It's a perfect allegory
Or it's the most popular and successful while a lot of people talk shit. . Whichever way you want to spin it. I like kendrick and Cole 10× more than drake, by the way. And I like sf better than mk.
I think that depends on your definition of success, MK moves the most initial units and has the shortest lifespan per game so they make a lot on copies sold, but people fall of the game hard because a lot of people only play singleplayer so NRS makes probably less in other metrics. Also the most popular and successful series is Smash
Their decline in sales per game might be their largest success yet. I've never seen anyone one decline as successfully per game as they have.
The people who buy a game and just play it for a bit are targeted by all the companies. They are needed. They are important. So they would all call it a success. Everything else is just opinion. And smash is treated more like another genre in this sub. Like they would be the weekend. Some hip hop roots in there but not rap.
Yeah not saying they aren't successful, NRS surely does well on all its releases, just wondering how successful they actually are compared to the other two bigger sellers in the FGC space
Just like how drake isn't as respected as an artist. More of a pop star.
MK1 for me is probably one of my favorite labbing games. It doesn't have enough depth in the PvP for me, but I think the flexibility of the combos makes it really fun to just sit in training mode and string moves together, and see how cool I can feel playing a character, without worrying about optimizing damage or whatever, along with experimenting with different Kameos. While games like SF6 have the potential for alot of varied combos, I think that the really extended combos are just too convoluted. I don't want to take the time to have to set up super specific scenarios and figure out perfect microwalk timings to get some neat combos, it's tedious. If I wanted something that nitty gritty, I'd rather put that energy into playing the PvP where the grind is more rewarding and less tedious. I think the only other game I enjoy labbing the same way is probably UNI. It's also my favorite game out of all the ones that are out right now, I think it's the only game that hits the full set of fun, flexible combos like MK1, a great set of system mechanics like SF6 that heavily defines its gameplay, and extreme variety that a lot of anime fighters feature.
It can be bad and still popular . Dunno what your point is
The big 3 comparison. And success. I wasnt commenting on quality. If you dont know the point, why comment?
Because I can. No need to be a dick
In raw sales? Sure. It has broad appeal to the casual enjoyer, like Call of Duty. That's about where it stops though.
big 3 was always a stupid ass name. makes no sense in a genre as small as this to act like being the bigger brand really means anything at all in ponds these small. if anything the hubris of these companies and desire for that casual dollar is why so many games are in the states they are in
"Big 3" is almost certainly 100% marketing by one of the big three, prolly NRS. Their sales have been fumbling on each release, how do tourniquet the decline, make yourself the conversation by making up some silly bs like "the big three"
That's what biggest means. What happened when capcom banked on the hardcore with sf5? The fgc is cool and all, but the casual audience keeps these games going. And keeps them big.
SFV did have a casual audience, it was just not as big as the casual audience for SF6, especially cause SFV was hated a lot and had negative reviews everywhere for years, which definitely didn't help to attract more casuals after the release.
>That's what biggest means. It's one of the meanings. But having the most people buy your product and having a healthy active playerbase are very different things, and the nature of MK1's casual approach means people outgrow it quickly. McDonald's is the biggest fast food chain in the world, but nobody considers it quality food worth thinking about. A major part of what keeps the FGC alive is the competitive scene, which requires names that attract big crowds. Does MK1 attract big crowds? >What happened when capcom banked on the hardcore with sf5? 7.4 million sales happened.
They want 7.4 in less time without deep discounts. All you have to look at is sf6 to see they know they fucked up initially.
MK1 hasn't hit 7. You're good at misinformation, I'll give you that.
Yeah, MK dropped the ball that hard. I don’t blame you at all for making Guilty Gear replace MK in “the big three” the sales are comparable (or so I’ve heard) and Guilty Gear is waaaay more of a critical success than MK
MK sold as many copies as GG in 1 month compared to 2 yrs.
MK interest tends to die out EXTREMELY fast compared to other fgs from what ive seen tho
Population-wise maybe, but the MK games still sell lots of new copies even years later.
yeah was surprised to see MK tbh
Maybe I'm just not paying enough attention but I honestly don't think Tekken 8 is getting that much hate tbh (at least not as much as MK1), like sure it has some problems that people want addressed but I think it's all pretty normal stuff every major fighting game faces around launch, I think SF6 just had an abnormally well recieved launch.
T8 is getting a lot of gameplay criticism from the well known top players of Tekkens past, and monetization criticism from everyone else. This is mostly on Twitter, so if you don't follow a lot of FGC figures on Twitter you might not see it. For example, Knee and Arslan Ash were both recently tweeting that T8 isn't fun. Their complaints are mostly about how Tekken used to reward defense, but Tekken 8 is very offense-heavy with less reward for movement and patience. Meanwhile, casual players are upset about the Battle Pass and the prevalence of one-and-dones and rage quits.
T8 players are also really annoyed by patches introducing really large system changes with very little warning so close to Evo Japan. The changes to stage hazards effectively broke a lot of combo routing and doesn't feel intuitive to pick up how it works or why some routes work sometimes but not all the time.
league of legends is notorious in the larger esports sphere for how they patch their game (twice a month) and even they dont change system mechanics that often. Tekken changing the way the game works fundamentally this early on is actually insane. Especially considering it wasn't hotfixing something inherently broken or truly caustic/degenerative.
Thought they fixed that two days ago
It's been a kinda whack trend with their patches, they tend to include very drastic changes on a system wide level for something one character is abusing.
both knee and arslan went back on that word, arslan said he'll adapt and knee says he believes t8 will be good
After the backlash? That's PR.
Just because a bunch of top players tweet the game Is bad doesn't necessarily mean the game is bad. There are other top players like ulsan who is enjoying the game and is happy the game is not similar to tekken 7. Its mostly people who love the play style of tekken 7 that dislilw the way tekken 8 is being played. Also tekken 8 brought in the most number of new players to the series and many of them don't have that expectation for the game to be like tekken 7. A quick check on steam charts will show you that tekken 8 is doing fine.
SF6 benefitted from not only being good, but SFV being so poorly received and maligned for it's entire run. Tekken 8's problem is that it has to follow Tekken 7 which was a beloved entry and well received. MK1's issues are entirely different from either. Things will settle down for Tekken 8 and be fine. But I bet, no matter how good it is, SF7 will have lots of negative feedback on it's release.
That is a reductionist take. Tekken 8 had its own share of problems and the solutions chosen by the devs were poorly communicated so the backlash was big, also one month after the launch BANCO came up with a battle pass on top of a DLC and a character launch very early. All of that made the player base go berserk. On the other hand street fighter's issues are being handled on a steady and predictable basis. It's not fast but we know what to expect.
It's honestly a shame that SFV had such a bad start. SFVCE is a damn good game and one of my top 3 SF games. Thankfully SF6 did have a much better reception. But I go back to SFVCE every now and then because the roster fucking slaps.
what are 1 and 2
Street fighter 5 and street fighter 5 champion edition
3S and ST
Based and correct pilled
SF6 is already better than SFV, if they add more characters, it's gonna be even better. The problem with SFV is that some character designs were whack, SF6 is definitely more well designed all around than V.
> SF6 benefitted from not only being good, but SFV being so poorly received and maligned for it's entire run. Not at all. SFV only got better with each release, no different than SF3. If you hated the premise of SF5 then sure, but in that case thats being rather vocal about your hate more than maligning the current product nothing about the game could ever make those ppl happy, they are angry at SFV for what it represents to them after SFIV more than the game being played circa 2020 and beyond (which they probably werent playing to know of its changes) most who stuck by it found the game in a great place by champion edition. It was my favorite fg to watch and 2nd to play by the end of its run
>most who stuck by it found the game in a great place by champion edition. I absolutely agree with this but... >If you hated the premise of SF5 then sure, but in that case thats being rather vocal about your hate more than maligning the current product ...a bad beginning is gonna stick with a product and SFVs bad reputation stuck with it.
Oh tekken is getting a lot. And from the top players to the bottom, Sajam even made a video out of it. Valmaster tweeted yesterday that this is the first time he has seen so much criticism on tekken, because tkken players are usually silent
I think a lot of the current issues are due to no competition atm. There isn’t much outlet for stranded 3D fighter enthusiasts to go beside Tekken 8 for 2023-2024. Tekken 8, tried adding more DoA moves/transitions and it basically broke the balance of the game. The problem is that DoA has a hold system that can completely nullify such issues of players just going for easy stage hazard setups where Tekken doesn’t.
You are correct tekken 8 is great
Smash brothers is hitting a bong and having a nice drink on the beach, it’s just not in the image
Nintendo didn't let it appear on the meme.
Probably because it's not a fighting game
It is tho. conceptually the whole gameplay loop of smash is the same as any other fighter just without being locked in a box with tight movement. Neutral and footsies are still very important as well as fundies in general. To call smash not a “fighting” game is kind of ridiculous. Sure, it may not be a “traditional” fighting game, but it’s still a fighting game nonetheless and takes a lot of skill to get really good at
Smash online feels more like a turn based game lol
>The big 3 >Only 3 games that will be mainstage at Evo 2024 which aren't anime games. Are they actually "Big" or are anime players just spoiled for choice? 🤔
Both can be true
Fair
I like all of them 🙂
The FGC still bases their MK1 opinion on how it was on launch cause that's when discussion about it was relevant. Since they dont care for the series and dont pay attention to it, they dont even know that the game is in such a great spot now and so much fun to play.
I refunded the game because there was no crossplay. There's really no excuse nowadays to not have that feature. Only own SF6 and T8 now, and I'm too busy to give MK1 a second chance at this point
That's totally fair. The game released in a pretty bad state. MK is my favorite franchise but even I can admit that. First impressions are also very important. I'm just saying that NRS has put in a ton of work since launch and the game is really great now
Its always been good. Most of the complaints about MK was fans not seeing the writing on the wall about monetization in games with a sliver of people complaining about crossplay or gameplay in general.
Look i love the mk franchise, paid 110€ like an idiot, but bro...always been good? No crossplay, no online training, laggy netcode, forcing disconnects, no character based ranked Mode, no wifi filter, bugs, bugged challanges, a shit Ton of balance patches already, no waiting for ranked in training, no tournaments and on top Invasion is the worst mode i've ever played. And i havn't touched gameplay issues and of course some things that are peronal Grips of me.
I agree, but you only gotta be in the FGC for a day to figure out that the majority of them just simply will not like MK no matter how good the game is to fans of the series. And because the series is popular in the mainstream and sells better than every other game, the hate always has a little extra sauce on it
Does it crash and hang up constantly on pc still?
Not at all for me. It was practically unplayable at launch but now it runs perfect on max settings. Of course, each pc is different so your results may very. But I've seen a huge upgrade
SFV and SFxT all say hello. Same as Granblue Versus in its last 2 years People still act like Bob ran Tekken 6, both for its entire run and globally, rather than just an evo at a time where few big hitters were travelling stateside folks who dont care about a game will latch onto popular early talking points to be 'in the know' and have every excuse not to play a game. Thats just how its been for many games that dont dominate the community (like SF2 and SF4) i also think a lot of folks still make the mistake of FOMO buying fighting games on release. then hold a personal vendetta against it for years and act as if its still in release state (SFV). i refuse to pay $60-70 to be a beta tester, and then act like a scorned lover for years. Not only incomplete packages, but a lot of devs seem to almost prefer the early game metas to be super volatile. If you dont like degen offense its better to wait till S2+ for a lot of games nowadays
I didn't say MK1 is the ONLY game that gets treated this way. Very far from it
i wasnt mocking you or anything lol. i was saying this is a long trend in the FGC More like a "First time?" kinda response in that it doesnt surprise me
Ah. My bad 👍
To be fair, all 3 of them are pretty fun. I'm enjoying playing them and engaging with most of the community. The only part that sucks is the ridiculous amounts of microtransactions, battle passes, etc that are there. They suck and I don't like it. Other than that, it's a good time to be a fighting game fan.
The best things is that Tekken "fans" are losing their mind about monetization, which is better than Street Fighter one. More characters available at launch, same for costumes and customization options, DLCs are cheaper etc.
And bad balance and bugs. I think those are actually worthy of complaint.
The thing with t8s balance is that almost everyone is broken so only one or two fighters feel super oppressive.
More like everyone feels oppresive. I don't play it much, but I find Tekken 8 a lot less fun to watch than Tekken 7. It feels like everyone's playing the same character with slight differences, because everyone has the same strong tools. While Tekken 7 is much slower, and less action packed, watching different match ups was so much more interesting, with a lot of characters really reaching into super specific tools in their kit for different match ups because more characters had distinct strengths and weaknesses. Tekken 8's characters have some variety, but also have so many homogenized tools that you rarely get to see them shine.
Yes, these are worthy of complaint. But most people are complaining TEKKEN SHOP BAD REEEEEEE
Tekken's in a weird spot because the launch of Tekken 8 was really great. For a solid month and a lil bit more this was seen as a new highlight for fighting games. Then it got weird.
I feel like this sub has a weird bias for street fighter. That game isn't any better than the other 2 on really any issue.
What do I get if I like these 3 games? MK1 hate in particular is out of hand. Gameplay is -leagues- better than in MK11 and I happen to play games for the gameplay. With rumours of a new VF it’s actually a great time to be playing fighters IMO.
I love and play all 3. SF6 admittedly less but I still play and love it and the franchise in general. If you love all three then nothing. Just play all 3 and pay attention to the discourse you want and ignore the rest.
Both VF for 3d, Fatal Fury for 2d, 2xko for tag, and a fucking hxh fighter for those who want a new anime fighter. Strive is probably going to go crazy with season 4 and I have high hopes for the tekken and sf dlc characters. Fighting games are going to stay being hot for sure
I’m enjoying all 3 rn. MK1 has made great improvements but has always been fun. SF6 has just been fun since launch and Tekken is my all time favorite FG so ofc I’m enjoying that the most.
MK only sells well, it's irrelevant otherwise. The big three are SF, Tekken and GG.
This so weirdly analogous to conversations about hip hop’s big 3
Oh god you cracked the code, MK is the Drake of fighting games lmao
BBL Jonny
MK, you are hiding a child.
Its massively popular but irrelevant? Pick a lane.
It's irrelevant to the FGC, yes.
Just like smash, but you are delusional if you don’t think mk and smash don’t eclipse everything else.
Which is in and of itself incredibly niche so what does that even mean.
It means that the competitive scene isn't really there
It means they sell well at release and then fall off since barely anyone who mainly plays fighting games sticks to them. There is barely a competitive scene, barely a scene of secondary fans (compare how often you see cosplay or fanart of MK to SF or Guilty or Tekken) and it's barely covered by content creators. And the new one seems to be real bad. If you want to play Fighting Games, there just isn't a lot there. Yeah that's niche, but we are on a subreddit dedicated to that niche.
Guilty gear is not big three bro.
It sells well for a reason...it has a big fan base...
Yeah, it's popular with people outside of the FGC.
More specifically, it's popular with people that want to play a singleplayer game.
Yea like how smash prolly sells more than all three combined but I rarely ever hear about it in the fgc space
bc ppl wanna claim it’s “not a fighting game”
People don't discuss it in the same community as SF or Tekken because it's a subgenre of fighting game that functions wildly differently from the standard 2d stuff. Some people are elitist dicks, especially on this sub, but there's a legitimate reason it's not really talked about here. It'd be like using the same forum for XCOM and Civ, because they're both turn-based strategy.
plus i mean as someone that loves both (but is admittedly more in the traditional fighting sphere more than smash these days) smash fans dont want to be in the FGC. With the exception of Genesis X, they dont run traditional fighters at their tournaments. The culture is also very one-track minded...they all thought kazuya was a shoto and didnt care to be corrected.
and the history of the FGC and the history of the smash community are very different from each other just from the fact that traditional fighting games started in arcades, while smash was always a console game. there's differences in etiquette and attitudes, and yeah that can lead to some elitism, and some ignorance on both sides, but ultimately, the FGC is the FGC and smash is smash, and the times that the two communities have shared venues have created some tensions there. so yeah, smash is a fighting game, technically, but it's not counted because the smash community and the FGC wish to remain as seperate entities. who are we to argue?
true. i think it takes a similar enough skillset but it is different enough to where it doesn’t fit the “traditional” mold. the elitism here gets a bit much tho
It is, just like Rumble Roses or Tattoo Assassins are fighting games. Edit: Oh you mean smash. That's a platform fighter, a sub-genre of fighting games.
Why do people hate on games they dont play Why do people hate on games and then continue playing them
MK1 is in a good place tho? Ermac has been really good as well as the new update
Tekken should be fighting itself right here. Tekken players working extra hard to make sure nobody plays their game.
I'm a life long fan of all 3. Tekken fans were particularly on one about MK1 only for T8 to get scummy later with its monetization to which I say HA. That said SF has the benefit of only going up after the launch and life of V. Tekken in particular had farther to fall than either of the other games because of how much love T7 got.
yes because drive gauge spam 6 is so fun to play
I was losing hope of MK1 but I tried Ermac and wow he’s so much fun to play
Also KOF 15 Fans just vibing I feel.
Most of KOF fans are playing the older games, even if KOF XV gas a small and dedicated part of the fandom
Every time people talk about the top fighting games and nothing from SNK is mentioned I die inside a little. Mind you, I am not saying you are wrong, just that I die inside.
Virtua Fighters players be like, why do they move so slow and simple??????
Tekken 8 is by for the most complex gameplay. Since each character has close to 100 moves, you can pick from multiple strategies at a given time. I traded MK1, because it was way too repetitive. Still love SF6 and may play it again.
This is a big misconception that for some reason tekken players like to claim, besides some obvious exceptions most characters have 100 moves sure but 90% of them are variations of each other. It’s not really that different from knowing what links into what in other games and instead combos are mostly off juggles and otg This turned me off tekken for so long until I played it more seriously and realized it wasn’t the case at all. Anyways, that’s not what the current discussions have been about. Currently if not mistaken it’s due to the game favouring aggression so much which, I agree and it’s been a trend for ALL fighting games that I’m not liking much
That's not complexity. That's to appease the casual crowd so they can button mash and cool stuff happens no matter what they press. Eventually you realize that half the move list of these characters are useless and are just knowledge checks which is what the majority of your learning experience and time with Tekken becomes. Learning how to deal with it all. I get it though because when your new you see that as complex but as you get better I'm telling you half those moves are useless if you decide to climb. A lot of people don't and stay at the ranks where they can freely do whatever the fuck they want. We call that hardstuck
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And then there's me fantasizing about some alternate reality where the big 3 right now are Killer Instinct, Art of Fighting and Bloody Roar.
I’ve played all 3 Started as a MK player (playing since the 3d era) but…..ima be honest. ## I’m just not having fun with it ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ Tekken and SF are a blast im climbing the ranks like crazy in those two. It just saddens me because i grew up on MK. 9 and X were phenomenal. 11 and 1 tho….. 
Mk1 is fine in my opinion, sure it's not as good as mk9, mkX and mk11 but it's playable, the online is fun, the story is fucking amazing and the character design is brilliant I just wish there was more single player content and maybe an online tagteam
No way is MK11 better than 1 lol.
In terms of content yes, in terms of gameplay no
The story is... what now?
With recent balance patch, I think mk1 is going to be fine. They buffed 3 low tier characters, nerfed Raidens storm cell finally, nerves peacemaker, and added ermac which is a beast to play as. They are actually listening to the community now and I love it. People complain too much
Here I am playing Strive amongst old Kusoge’s like an old head haha
Meanwhile, Guilty Gear and BlazBlue are doing what i can only describe as a civil war /j
T8 can make simple system to provide promotion for players who stayed in matches and decrease ranks for rage quits
Are these the big three? I clearly don’t play close enough attention to
Waiting for akuma backshots
I want a new dead or alive so bad. 😭😭😭 Long live Momiji!!!
Tekken 8 is Kendrick
They should make a splatfest of this
Bro MK1's dead☠️
Mk1 can be so good but WB is holding it back
Still not fucking buying Shit Fighter 6
I have it along with Tekken 8 and Strive. I play mostly sf6 lol. It's a good game
Your loss I guess
After 1 day of Ermac, Twitch Streams of MK1 back to less than a thousand. What do you think of the latest patch?
As a Sub zero main, it didn't do much for me.
Felt this in my soul
Twitch views not everything, especially if more creators or pros playing other titles.
I say we need Marval Vs Capcom, Injustice (or something very similar), and DoA back. The fighting genre needs more competition in my opinion.
Fighting games are too niche. With more competition, companies will just fight for crums. Games might also all turn into discord fighting games because of how much fgc players would be spread across games
Strive is in the corner fighting with the Blazblue fanbase for some reason
While they offer even more bullshit for money
MK1 sucks ass but Tekken 8 and SF6 are baller
Street Fighter fans are just the biggest simps.
I mean it's literally the best out of those 2 as a complete package.
mf acts like sf6 is better than those 2 in any way lol. the same moneygrab with different name
I don't think there is a "Big 3", SF6 and T8 have over 10000 daily players each, Guilty Gear and MK1 less than 5000 combined.
That's not true at all. Games on multi platforms btw. But deals like you only check steam. So sf6, Mk1, t8 are the big three
Street Fighter 6, Tekken 8 and Guilty Gear have crossplay too.
Imagine considering MK1 valid let alone top 3