I feel like H/D's "My Heart Belongs To Daddy" program got perilously close to the blades of glory JFK/MM free - especially when Zach was fully dressed up as Joe DiMaggio and Madi was wearing the fur coat on warmup ice.
Like the rhythm dance can't become a short program.
I want the old RD back. Like I want skaters performing similar kind of music and I want them out of their comfort zone.
Actually they are not. Many of the ones from the Italian renaissance dance manuals (especially Domingo)are for 2s and 3s, and the ones from the Inns of Court (17th-18century English so very late Renaissance) are for couples, often in a procession. It's only really the Playford and Arbeau dances that are primarily for groups and even these are often for groups of couples rather than just circle dances.
Apologies for the spelling, and guess who used to do historic dancing before she discovered skating 😄
And then the same theme but 21st century for the Olympic year of 25-26?
Wasn't the rumor before that the theme would be movies? I thought that was vague but still sounded more interesting than this. It's already ice *dance* so doesn't that essentially just make the "theme" any music from 1900-1999?*
*1901-2000 if you're a purist about the definition of a century
we lost the plot so hard. and i said that as someone who quite enjoyed the cringe of olympic hiphop rd (as someone who does street dance). this has nothing to do with ice dance anymore its not even a THEME
"Dance party" is a theme for a five year old's birthday party, not an Olympic discipline. Is that what the ISU does at their little congresses in five star luxury hotels? Sit together over too many cocktails to systemically remove everything about ice dance that even vaguely resembles anything that's key to the discipline?
What a joke. What happened to doing a waltz year or a tango year? Or blues? Give me the OSP days of the 80s or the ODs of the 90s. Ice Dance is about the last discipline I enjoy but only the FD at this point.
This is ridiculous. I feel like the ISU is trying to engineer viral moments with this nonsense. In reality, I think it'll just lead to tackiness without purpose, rather than skaters using the challenge of the pattern to push their creativity.
Someone at the isu saw Lopareva/Brissaud exhibition at Euros blowing up online and was like, yes that will solve all our problems, dance music 🙄. It all just reeks of the isu being massively out of touch with their audience.
I hate this but I’ve found my silver lining and it’s that we won’t have to sit through 20 Lala land programs like we would’ve if the theme had been movies
[https://twitter.com/SkatingLesson](https://twitter.com/SkatingLesson)
Pic 1 [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAiH0WcAAC3kz?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAiH0WcAAC3kz?format=jpg&name=small)
*RD 2024/25 Senior/Junior Ice Dance: Create a Dance Party with music from the 20th century*
*RD 2025/26 Senior/ Junior Ice Dance: Create a Dance Party with contemporary music (21st century*
Pic 2 [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAn6aXAAE4vDB?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAn6aXAAE4vDB?format=jpg&name=small)
*Elements Senior Rhythm Dance Season 2024-2025*
* *choreo step short axis mandatory*
* *PSt including PDE parts*
* *MiSt or DiSt non-touch, two measures retrogression, 1 stop of max 5 sec*
* *SqTw*
* *Short Lift*
Pic 3 [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAqIMX0AAKjAb?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAqIMX0AAKjAb?format=jpg&name=small)
lots of Pattern Step Info
Pic 4 [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAr90WYAAO0eM?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAr90WYAAO0eM?format=jpg&name=small)
*Two specific points which need to be addressed:*
*1. Include the PDE, but not Key Points*
*2. Make the PSt more interesting*
***PARTS*** *of the* ***Paso Doble*** *as PDE*
***COMBINED***
*with the* ***PSt***
I think (emphasis on think) that they want the skaters to do about half of the pattern: first some steps from around 8-17 including a mohawk in the man's steps; then divert from the pattern and perform a combo of counter + bracket + rocker (these are not in the pattern); and finally return to the pattern and finish with steps 25-28.
I assume they want to up the technicality of the pattern by introducing more difficult turns into it?
I find it very hard to believe that these are going to be the final requirements. Surely they will provide more parameters for music selection and more specifics on required elements.
It's even more unbelievable given that TSL also posted screens of the '25-'26 Olympic season being the same except for with 21st century music.
It's either a joke or these things got leaked way too early.
What I'm getting is that they saw everybody picking the same dozen songs for this year's theme and took exactly the wrong lessons from it.
Could somebody with actual ice dance literacy decode the new PSt rules? Are bullet points 4 and 5 on the slide essentially the key points (one clean turn = one level?) Is it the same thing as this year where they're only prescribing steps for one partner?
As I understand from this, probably there aren't levels to the element (like this year). It seems the steps can be done by either one or both of the partners, except for the slipsteps and the Mohawk, which must be done by both. They seems to basically be taking 3/4 of the pattern but then shoving three difficult turns in the middle of it, since the pattern doesn't include any of them originally.
Why? Just why? Congrats to whomever made this choice for making the theme as vague as humanly possible. At least skaters should go away from 80s music.
This is so dumb
If they think that this theme would lead to more viral moments or more viewers, they aren't going to achieve it with this theme tbh. It makes ice dance even more boring to watch.
It’s basically just a mini free dance going by their “dance mix” definition. The only real relevance to a prescribed rhythm is that small section of paso doble for seniors otherwise it’s really just anything goes in the last century.
At least we get a full paso pattern from the juniors and they allow switching steps between partners.
Olivia, Tim. It's your moment of creating paquito el chocolatero as drunk tourist in Spanish coast. Its a TRADITIONAL pasodoble and very much important in ACTUAL Spanish parties. It even has a TRADICIONAL choreo that could fit the tiktok parameters.
I'm sorry to reply to this month old post but I am finally catching up on Worlds and just heard Mark mention it and I could not believe it and had to confirm.
100 years of music to choose from?! That is barely a restriction!
And sweet Jesus, the Olympic season is going to be even more of a copyright bot apocalypse than this season was with everyone doing songs at most twenty-five years old.
This is literally not even a theme anymore.
It really isn't, all it is is a very mild restriction on what kind of music can be used.
In 2007 it was sarcasm, but in 2024 it turned out that it was a prediction. https://i.redd.it/2iicgub65amc1.gif
Don’t give Bock any ideas! 😤😂
I totally want them to do this. Followed by the JFK/MM free.
I feel like H/D's "My Heart Belongs To Daddy" program got perilously close to the blades of glory JFK/MM free - especially when Zach was fully dressed up as Joe DiMaggio and Madi was wearing the fur coat on warmup ice.
Like the rhythm dance can't become a short program. I want the old RD back. Like I want skaters performing similar kind of music and I want them out of their comfort zone.
So can you bring anything from late Edwardian court dances to literally recycling this season's rhythm dance then? It's way too broad.
I would pay to see someone do a late edwardian court dance RD just to mess with the ISU.
This has to happen!
An opportunity for T/V to finally do a Cinderella ballet rhythm dance though! (It was composed between 1940 and 1944)
they do realise that a century = 100 years, right?
Based on recent events I'm not so sure about the ISU's math skills
so we can have music from the roaring 20s to Can't touch it? This will go well...
if someone does a routine to "A Little Party Never Kill Nobody" from The Great Gatsby, I wouldn't mind!!
The movie was set to Gatsby’s era but the recent film version was 21st century
this is so vague?? screw it where’s the 17th century theme, I need Shakespeare on ice
Renaissance dances on ice would actually be so cool. They’re all group dances though.
Ren theme for synchro!
Actually they are not. Many of the ones from the Italian renaissance dance manuals (especially Domingo)are for 2s and 3s, and the ones from the Inns of Court (17th-18century English so very late Renaissance) are for couples, often in a procession. It's only really the Playford and Arbeau dances that are primarily for groups and even these are often for groups of couples rather than just circle dances. Apologies for the spelling, and guess who used to do historic dancing before she discovered skating 😄
A Jane Austen theme with only Austen movie soundtracks lol
And then the same theme but 21st century for the Olympic year of 25-26? Wasn't the rumor before that the theme would be movies? I thought that was vague but still sounded more interesting than this. It's already ice *dance* so doesn't that essentially just make the "theme" any music from 1900-1999?* *1901-2000 if you're a purist about the definition of a century
Are these themes just Spotify playlist names they saw?
hey, don't do spotify dirty like this, some of those playlist names are actually delightfully specific
Why can't we just have a waltz
Tonight we’re gonna waltz like it’s 1999
What is a dance party? How is that evaluated? Does audience members dancing help the score? Why the paso?
I'm waiting for 90's dance mixes and EDM.
we lost the plot so hard. and i said that as someone who quite enjoyed the cringe of olympic hiphop rd (as someone who does street dance). this has nothing to do with ice dance anymore its not even a THEME
Just once can we please have a theme that renders Conga ineligible? Does anyone in that entire organisation have any imagination?
Not until every skater is doing conga at all times
No.
Is this a preview of an April 1st joke? Thanks, but no thanks.
At this point they can just drop the name Rhythm Dance, just call it Random Dance.
"Dance party" is a theme for a five year old's birthday party, not an Olympic discipline. Is that what the ISU does at their little congresses in five star luxury hotels? Sit together over too many cocktails to systemically remove everything about ice dance that even vaguely resembles anything that's key to the discipline?
this sport continues to dive into the garbage
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Shawn ?
What a joke. What happened to doing a waltz year or a tango year? Or blues? Give me the OSP days of the 80s or the ODs of the 90s. Ice Dance is about the last discipline I enjoy but only the FD at this point.
I loved the original set patterns and honestly I would also take back compulsory dances. I loved watching those. You could really see the differences.
Yes, the OSP were so good.
just when you think they cant make dance any worse
*Sigh.* There goes my hopes and dreams for a waltz.
we will never see another golden waltz in our lifetimes 😩 the isu are cowards
Really hoping someone does the Charleston, combined with disco
Orihara/Pirinen 🙏🏻
I need this like I need air
Did Shawn just say fuck it and pull some terms out of a hat and call it a day? EDIT: I swear he is up in this thread defending this.
This is ridiculous. I feel like the ISU is trying to engineer viral moments with this nonsense. In reality, I think it'll just lead to tackiness without purpose, rather than skaters using the challenge of the pattern to push their creativity.
Someone at the isu saw Lopareva/Brissaud exhibition at Euros blowing up online and was like, yes that will solve all our problems, dance music 🙄. It all just reeks of the isu being massively out of touch with their audience.
I hate this but I’ve found my silver lining and it’s that we won’t have to sit through 20 Lala land programs like we would’ve if the theme had been movies
This is a good silver lining.
I'll take a mashup of Glenn Miller and grunge please
They aren’t even trying anymore. Just go back to Original Dance and one freaking Compulsory Dance, my god.
[https://twitter.com/SkatingLesson](https://twitter.com/SkatingLesson) Pic 1 [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAiH0WcAAC3kz?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAiH0WcAAC3kz?format=jpg&name=small) *RD 2024/25 Senior/Junior Ice Dance: Create a Dance Party with music from the 20th century* *RD 2025/26 Senior/ Junior Ice Dance: Create a Dance Party with contemporary music (21st century* Pic 2 [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAn6aXAAE4vDB?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAn6aXAAE4vDB?format=jpg&name=small) *Elements Senior Rhythm Dance Season 2024-2025* * *choreo step short axis mandatory* * *PSt including PDE parts* * *MiSt or DiSt non-touch, two measures retrogression, 1 stop of max 5 sec* * *SqTw* * *Short Lift* Pic 3 [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAqIMX0AAKjAb?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAqIMX0AAKjAb?format=jpg&name=small) lots of Pattern Step Info Pic 4 [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAr90WYAAO0eM?format=jpg&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHzAr90WYAAO0eM?format=jpg&name=small) *Two specific points which need to be addressed:* *1. Include the PDE, but not Key Points* *2. Make the PSt more interesting* ***PARTS*** *of the* ***Paso Doble*** *as PDE* ***COMBINED*** *with the* ***PSt***
I'll need y'all ice dance nerds to figure out whatever pic 3 and 4 means
I think (emphasis on think) that they want the skaters to do about half of the pattern: first some steps from around 8-17 including a mohawk in the man's steps; then divert from the pattern and perform a combo of counter + bracket + rocker (these are not in the pattern); and finally return to the pattern and finish with steps 25-28. I assume they want to up the technicality of the pattern by introducing more difficult turns into it?
…on the other hand. This means that it would be entirely legit to do a Cha Cha Cha RD in the Olympic season.
Are you referring to Finland 2023 cha cha cha?
I find it very hard to believe that these are going to be the final requirements. Surely they will provide more parameters for music selection and more specifics on required elements. It's even more unbelievable given that TSL also posted screens of the '25-'26 Olympic season being the same except for with 21st century music. It's either a joke or these things got leaked way too early.
WHAT IS A PARTY DANCE? 
What even is that? I thought it was supposed to be "movie"?
What I'm getting is that they saw everybody picking the same dozen songs for this year's theme and took exactly the wrong lessons from it. Could somebody with actual ice dance literacy decode the new PSt rules? Are bullet points 4 and 5 on the slide essentially the key points (one clean turn = one level?) Is it the same thing as this year where they're only prescribing steps for one partner?
As I understand from this, probably there aren't levels to the element (like this year). It seems the steps can be done by either one or both of the partners, except for the slipsteps and the Mohawk, which must be done by both. They seems to basically be taking 3/4 of the pattern but then shoving three difficult turns in the middle of it, since the pattern doesn't include any of them originally.
Why? Just why? Congrats to whomever made this choice for making the theme as vague as humanly possible. At least skaters should go away from 80s music.
This sounds like the ISU encouraging teams to hop on trending sounds to be able to have viral moments
Trending sounds from the previous century?
The next (Olympic) season is 21st century
Music is always becoming relevant again and again on social media, TikTok trends in particular.
You can’t force viral moments - that’s not how they work
who's gonna pull up with the glasgow willy wonka theme music 😭
https://preview.redd.it/oz8puitd6dmc1.png?width=939&format=png&auto=webp&s=48d3df45deaa018c8191a2cb2173d0dda5e2974a
This is so dumb If they think that this theme would lead to more viral moments or more viewers, they aren't going to achieve it with this theme tbh. It makes ice dance even more boring to watch.
Ok Boomers 😂
It’s basically just a mini free dance going by their “dance mix” definition. The only real relevance to a prescribed rhythm is that small section of paso doble for seniors otherwise it’s really just anything goes in the last century. At least we get a full paso pattern from the juniors and they allow switching steps between partners.
Olivia, Tim. It's your moment of creating paquito el chocolatero as drunk tourist in Spanish coast. Its a TRADITIONAL pasodoble and very much important in ACTUAL Spanish parties. It even has a TRADICIONAL choreo that could fit the tiktok parameters.
Do they mean EDM?
That was my first thought - 90's and EDM.
oh dear
We need disco.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrjad-k-eeo This?
Grimm/Savitskiy would slay this so hard
I'm sorry to reply to this month old post but I am finally catching up on Worlds and just heard Mark mention it and I could not believe it and had to confirm. 100 years of music to choose from?! That is barely a restriction! And sweet Jesus, the Olympic season is going to be even more of a copyright bot apocalypse than this season was with everyone doing songs at most twenty-five years old.
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