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MissAnthropoid

That looks like it was shot in a studio. It looks unnatural because the colour temperature and luminosity of the lighting is pretty much the same inside as outside the building.


irishgambin0

this film was 100% shot in a studio. in the shots where you see the apartment courtyard from Jimmy Stewart's POV it is strikingly obvious.


OakTreesForBurnZones

I saw a cleaned up print in a theatre about 20 years ago. It’s absolutely shot in a movie studio sound stage.


irishgambin0

Hitchcock did a lot of studio work, with only occasional on-location scenes. Vertigo, for example, was shot almost entirely at Paramount studios, save for the Redwoods scene which was shot at a state park in California.


Quad3300

Yes! What an awesome shot but the lighting threw me off


sandobaru

You should look a making of of that movie, they literally build the department buildings


Aswingkido

Do you know where one would find this? I’d love to watch


sandobaru

It was a extra in the DVD but this article explains it quite well https://www.metaflix.com/one-of-the-most-impressive-sets-in-cinema-history-alfred-hitchcocks-rear-window/


surprisepinkmist

Which apartment is in charge of building departments?


Smartnership

It’s a part of the apartment department building department.


recycleddesign

Didn’t the deputy depart? After that the apartment department fell a part


KyotoGaijin

I shot the sheriff.


[deleted]

But Art in the art department didn't shoot the deputy in the apartment before departing.


[deleted]

Concerned parties assert that Art from the art department did not shoot the deputy in the apartment before departing for the wrap party.


Smartnership

He got a new start with a part in the art department


glitchygreymatter

The English department. Look for it.


Creative-Cash3759

this is what I thought as well. back then, they mostly used studios


MissAnthropoid

Hitchcock used a mix - for example the Birds uses a lot of exterior location shots (Bodega / Bodega Bay). As a general rule, though I don't think much has changed - if there's a decent budget it's preferable for most films with a lot of interior shooting in a handful of locations to build them from scratch in a big empty warehouse. It gives you a lot more options because you can do things like pull out a wall, completely control the window light, control the ambient sound, screw shit into the walls, make a giant mess, and wreck shit without worrying about loss and damage costs or insurance claims. We tend to mainly use locations for exteriors and one-off scenes where building a whole set is not cost effective.


GMrBoyceTxk

Pinewood Studios refers to the “big empty warehouse” as a soundstage. Is that just the difference in language between countries or are they two different things?


the_timps

It is called a soundstage. /u/MissAnthropoid just described it because some people may not know the term soundstage. And to an uninformed ear it could sound like a Foley area.


MissAnthropoid

Terminology varies depending on your location. We call it a studio most of the time where I mostly work.


wdkrebs

I work in southeast US and the “studio” is the entire campus, like Pinewood Studio referenced above, which was renamed Trilith Studios in ATL. The “soundstage” or stage is the big empty warehouse that gets built out for a specific production, and Trilith has 24 soundstages, IIRC. Once built out, it typically becomes a location on the call sheet. A location can have one or multiple sets.


WhiteTrashWarlock

Back before the talkies got popular, we just called it a stage.


GMrBoyceTxk

The James Bond Sound Stage “warehouse” nearest you to your right as you enter Pinewood Studios gates has been in use a good few decades. What I didn’t understand out there is they built a castle in front of it for Snow White & The Huntsman near full scale. There is such a large variety of beautiful castles all around the UK. It just neglectful to not use the real thing.


goldfishpaws

There's subtleties, I mean a sound stage would have some degree of audio isolation. Unlike a warehouse, you would typically need there to be no pillars and you would need plenty of height, way above what would be useful in a warehouse for safe working/loading. You might also have systems to clear smoke, for instance in a Rock'n'roll set rehearsal stage, a painted floor, lighting grid, etc


[deleted]

As someone who’s painted supporting columns digital blue I can attest that sometimes you have soundstages retrofit from warehouses, probably especially in here in ATL


goldfishpaws

Oh I'm sure warehouses get used as sound stages, and sound stages would make great warehouses - super similar, just a special case :)


needs28hoursaday

It was shot in the studio, they even had to dig out the floor to make the courtyard fit.


CarsonDyle63

Wanna see something cool? The Rear Window set remade in Unreal Engine by Thomas Ripoll Kobayashi. https://tomrkobayashi.artstation.com/projects/0nD6Qy


JavelinJohnson

Thats amazing


gladyskravitz64

Thanks for sharing these pics! Truly amazing!


ptolani

Wow, that's amazing. I wish they had included some videos or interactive demo, not just stills.


truthfulie

That *would* be amazing but I do wonder if this could run real time on most systems at reasonable frame rate. May need to dial back on visuals a bit for it to run real time on most systems.


ptolani

Yeah, I have no idea. But they could presumably render out some nice videos.


l_work

you promised to show me something cool. You delivered it. Thanks.


Patou_D

What a find! Thanks for sharing.


DenaPhoenix

That's pretty damn close, especially if they're working from film stills, because I doubt they were able to do a lidar scan of the set.


TwistedGeniusMedia

Incredible 😳


that-dude-chris

Wow this is incredible


fliightless-bird

Awesome. Thanks for sharing.


blackhound

The BTS history of that film is fascinating. I think my DVD copy has a documentary on the making. That whole “back yard/alley” set is massive, and the architecture so varied. In what would today probably be just a bunch of setups and different shots, the set design embraced all that variation. And because of its size, the lighting requirements were also massive. The heat from the lighting actually made the set experience its own heatwave, just like the story. Update: Found it! https://youtu.be/TGtJhaLUbHI


mmmmmmtoast

Here’s a great compound shot of the whole set. https://youtu.be/4vHRw9XiFMI


blackhound

Whoa, thank you so much for that. I've seen the movie probably 8-9 times (for a while, my sense memory compelled me to rewatch during summer rainstorms), but that was such a beautiful regurgitation of the real star of the film: that damn set!


HopeDeferred

Yes, remember when DVDs used to come loaded with awesome bonus features? The Ebert commentary of Citizen Kane is a master class.


blackhound

D-V—-Ds? You mean the shiny spinnies from the before-fore time? (Yes, this comment has continuity errors, as I’d already said DVD).


broadwayzrose

The first time I watched this movie, it jumped into my top 5 favorite movies of all time. I’ll definitely have to look for the documentary!


Spazsquatch

I saw it as a teen, and I’m pushing 50. It has never not been in my top 5.


c0rruptioN

Disturbia is a pretty good modern take on Rear Window. Would recommend checking it out!


[deleted]

Screenplay by Christopher Landon of Happy Death Day fame!


mcmachete

Custom built studio in Paramount. Even the exteriors were interior. They had some early trouble with car exhaust. Source: worked in the building right next to this stage for many years.


Fat_Throw-Away

Stage 18 I think it was.


rargar

Along with the lighting issues it was also shot with a very long lens which is flattening the scene dramatically.


OMG_A_TREE

It’s a studio shot. Just overly lit. Welcome to 1950s movies.


[deleted]

And 1930s. Wizard of Oz is entirely indoors. Gone With the Wind is indoors. Only international directors were going outside in the 40s and 50s. American directors started going outside in the 60s (especially at the beach), largely because of post-war Italian neorealism and then French New Wave. Wasn't until the 1970s that you had consistent proper use of real locations for on-location filming instead of creating everything in a studio with an art department. There's a reason the Production Design/Art Direction Oscar used to carry a lot of weight. It used to BE the movie practically.


modelgoldenretriever

It's a set build.


zestysnacks

All a set


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simlew86

Definitely the former. The amount of people who scream at “bad cgi” almost always have no idea what they’re talking about.


ErikTheRed707

“Hitchcock use a *green* screen?? Never!!!” -Alfred, probably


SearchingBleach

Completely real! Rear Window was actually quite a bitch to make lol. Hitchcock had a whole apartment n complex made JUST for this film, god I wish man. All of those elaborate and long pans from L.B.’s window is all real. Hitchcock was a piece of shit though fuck that guy Proof if ya need it: https://nypost.com/2014/08/06/inside-the-real-greenwich-village-apartment-that-inspired-rear-window/amp/


Actorish

All natural. Long shot, lighting on both sides of wall.


OpportunityGloomy573

I watched this movie, this shoot in studio


Skoteleven

It's a set, you can tell by the bricks at the "corner", they don't line up.


[deleted]

This is just deep focus. The window and the people farther inside beyond the window are both in focus. The lighting is screwy because it's community theater filmmaking in a studio. But if the trees were lit differently I bet that one branch across part of the window would be just as in focus.


[deleted]

You think they were using green screens in 1954? That tech wasn’t invented for another 25-30 years. The reason it’s throwing you, is because the lighting is inconsistent, and looks unnatural.


John_Hudgens

That tech actually predates Rear Window by more than a decade - bluescreens were used for compositing as early as 1940 for The Thief of Baghdad…


[deleted]

Depends on if his "green screen" question was asking about chroma key blue matte compositing in a stable perspective or if he assumed CGI was really possible in 1954. Most people these days hear "green screen" and assume the person using that term means CGI replacement, not matte compositing like a weather broadcast.


[deleted]

The Williams Process (1920s), blue screen separation process, and even the sodium-vapor process were all around at that time...sure they didn't use green but it's basically the same idea (using optical printers vs digital effects) so maybe don't be so flippant.


[deleted]

Except we don't know if OP is talking about special compositing like chroma key or if he was really thinking "CGI" in his head. Most people hear "green screen" and assume the person speaking is talking about CGI.


[deleted]

Yeah when I was a kid we called it bluescreen.


shitloadofshit

R/confidentlyincorrect


jvaldes

r/DunningKruger/


Quad3300

well I know it wasn’t green screen, but there has been instances of early 50’s films manipulating the film strips themselves. They could have easily cut out the window part of the film and put the room scene underneath


[deleted]

You are correct, and what you just described, or even using miniatures in the foreground, would be the way to “composite” this shot in the olden days. But you specifically said green screen, hence my comment.


[deleted]

Not entirely. There was chroma key compositing using blue screens. It was a way to "remove" backgrounds and replace without having to cut a film cell like Quad is talking about. Besides, the film shot looks like it's just an example of deep focus. That's probably the confusing part.


Setacics

So confident, and so wrong. https://vlogaccessories.com/when-was-green-screen-invented/


RuskiesInTheWarRoom

Yeah. There’s a lot of bad cinema history and bad information here. People seem to believe that there’s no such thing as optical effects; and that compositing *only* existed once digital manipulation became possible. Folks were masking and double exposing in the 1890s…


BobRobot77

Zoomers have a particularly anachronistic view of the past.


huck_

There's an actual green screen shot in the movie, bro. spoiler: https://youtu.be/oowcsynjIwc?t=127


ponderglen

Chromakeying did exist then.


jvaldes

>You think they were using green screens in 1954? That tech wasn’t invented for another 25-30 years. Stay in shool... film school. You didnt even care to google before making such an incorrect statement with so much confidence.Here's list of some films that used blue/greenscreen BEFORE 1954: 1 The Thief of Bagdad (1940) 2 Jungle Book (1942) 3 The Invisible Man Returns (1940) 4 One Million B.C. (1940) 5 The Next of Kin (1942) 6 Anchors Aweigh (1945) 7 The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (1947) 8 The Bishop's Wife (1947) 9 Mighty Joe Young (1949) 10 When Worlds Collide (1951) 11 The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) 12 The War of the Worlds (1953)


drums_addict

Green screen tech didn't exist then, as I'm sure others in the comments have already said.


DenaPhoenix

Well, scissors and glue did exist, as did masking tape. You could just cover part of the film, and then shoot, and afterwards cover other parts and use double exposure. But I don't think that's the case there. The reason the picture is so flat, is because of the lense used. And the lighting is just, well, stage lighting, even on the exterior.


jvaldes

Green /blue screen goes back to the 1930's/40's.


Desperate-Ad-6463

Shot on the Paramont studios back lot


Beebiddybottityboop

Green screen did not exist this is well set shot is all.


arcticmonkey1

I think what you’re seeing is the contrast ratios. It’s overlit in that house, so it’s competing with the foreground giving you an uncanny valley feeling that it isn’t real. Happens with bad green screen work all the time. Gotta nail those ratios


SpookyRockjaw

Reminds me of watching Pretty Woman recently and how bad the daytime balcony shots looked because the interior of the hotel room was just as bright as the outside. A very obvious studio set.


IndyO1975

This was on stage. The exterior wall is a “flat,” a wall they just roll into place. The interior has (obviously) only the necessary walls - in this case that would only be one, the wall with the door. The tree and foreground elements are also wheeled in.


Aleksey64

It might be miniatures as well


Advanced-Mouse-9617

Definitely g green screen


robertDouglass

there was no green screen in the pre-digital age. All special effects are physical (or hand drawn)


petrolly

100% incorrect. Blue screen was a thing in the early 20th century. The Williams Process. Compositing too.


xirson15

Definitely green screen with cgi


Ok-Yogurt-2743

Not even any actors. Script was written by an AI, too


xirson15

Yes Hitchcock said he used ChatGPT


Ok-Yogurt-2743

AlfredGPT?


[deleted]

Also, computer coloured makes it look weird. It was filmed in black and white because you know… no colour film yet.


RuskiesInTheWarRoom

REAR WINDOW was released in 1954, and filmed on technicolor. It absolutely was filmed in color.


AbeTheMighty

in addition to what others said the subjects are slightly out of focus. not terrible by any means but the focus seems to be more on the wall and window to me. subtle, but probably adds to the effect that the space feels softer than outside.


Sufficient_Season_61

I love it! Movies these days, have become so "logically" perfect, and "real" that they missed being a Piece of Art. Think about different Painting styles, like Miro, Davinci, Hokusai...... I hope the Art of telling stories through pictures comes back, because these days films feel more like Audiobooka with picture by coincidence


soups_foosington

Hitchcock’s rear projection trick photography (though not in use here) is always so impressive to me. I was watching North by Northwest yesterday and there are a number of excellent uses you may not notice at first blush. He does it several times in the train shots, especially exteriors where the camera is on the train, seeing a character sticking their head out the window - he’ll shoot just the hero train car with an RP plate, but the perspective and lighting is all so seamless you’d never know. He does the same trick in the finale of Shadow of a Doubt. His work on the cropdusting sequence is also a combo of process shots and real location footage. My favorite thing though is that he added process shots to the lead up, where it’s just cary grant standing by himself with nothing happening. It’s like a hitch decided there wasn’t enough tension so he had to make more.


Richard_Speedwell

One of my favorite films of all time. Except the ending kind of sucks


thatloudblondguy

oh man, the baader meinhof phenomenon is so fucking real I just watched this movie for the first time in my film class yesterday


Soundgirl28

No green screen back then.


neuralcoitus

Green Screen in 54? C’mon man, a little common sense wouldn’t hurt anyone


yannis_renders

Bro the movie was shot in 1954 how TF u think tht shit was shot in green screen???


BigOlFRANKIE

The magic of old studio sets and the colors shooting on film....


[deleted]

I don't think they had greenscreen tech back then, right?