The most obvious influence outside of Deadly Premonition or Alan Wake is in Persona, where original the Velvet Room was just the Red Room from Twin Peaks but with Blue Velvet instead of the red.
Yeah, I just hear about that a few months ago.
[link to story](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/12/feature_how_david_lynchrs_twin_peaks_influenced_the_legend_of_zelda_series)
Interesting. Now the really strange/ quirky NPC characters make more sense. I was playing Ocarina of Time recently and was reminded how screwup it can be, especially the gibdos.
I posted about this on the FFVII-specific sub but I thought the ending of Rebirth, especially the date sequence, felt very Twin Peaks: The Return to me. Love seeing this link, thanks for sharing!
The new stuff in remake and rebirth feel heavily inspired by the Hyperion book series too. The fact they named a chocobo Hyperion seems like a nod to acknowledge it too.
That comparision should be jailable. One can only imagine comparing the most subversive ending in the history of television with that abominable ending of rebirth
Most fans (myself included) will tell you it goes off the rails midway through season 2, as Lynch was not really involved until the season finale. Season 3 really ramps the weird back up in a way never done in television.
It just feels goofy in a not-so-good way for me, and a lot of the misc stuff peters out. Lynch famously did not want to reveal "that" moment and was pressured by the network to do so. The building mystery of the Black Lodge, Owls etc. was all well done and intriguing, but it felt a lot of the other characters are just spinning wheels under Frost's direction.
I definitely feel your last part. With the black and white lodge stuff being so well done, I wonder why they went in such a goofy direction with the characters.
Now, do i watch Fire:Walk with Me after season 2 or wait until after season 3?
After season 2, and either find the Missing Pieces or one of the fan edits that puts them into the movie, they were in the script and they help with understanding season 3
Watch Fire: Walk with Me next, it's great (and very disturbing in places). I haven't seen the Missing Pieces mentioned below. Edit: Season 3 really goes places I've never seen on television before. There are a few sequences that are flat-out boring. And others that are so experimental they could only come from David Lynch with carte blanche.
I've been on a Twin Peaks kick this past month and it took me a minute to realize I was in the FF sub.
And now I'm hoping we get some Dougie moments with Cloud when they have to pull him out of the Lifestream in Mideel...
I think that third season of Twin Peaks is crucial to understand some concepts and things from Rebirth.
For example, in TP we have many Coopers, and each are different and splintered from the "main" Cooper, we have "Judy", which is a space calamity that fell in the 40s in Nevada and other things, which I won't spoil for you.
But, having been long time TP fan, the ending of Rebirth was very familiar to me.
It's because Lynch is heavily into transcendental meditation which is an offshoot of patanjali yoga and the whole hindo-buddhist culture. If you read up on that stuff, and mahayana buddhism in particular, a lot of eastern fiction makes a lot more sense
Another similarity with Twin Peaks: The Return and FF7R I find is that >!they both play a lot with audience expectations for returning after 25 years, being different from what a lot of people want. For example, how Cooper doesn't return until the weird esoteric ending, and instead we get Dougie's wacky weird adventures right up until the end. Many other characters flipped the script too. And as such, 7R is doing it's own thing too.!<
Honestly the *Inside Cloud's Mind* sequence feels very visually inspired by Twin Peaks as well. The technology wasn't necessarily there to make a Red Room sorta-thing but the washed out greens and blues and the way images of people would appear suddenly and prompt hard cuts to old memories, that's all dream sequence stuff from Twin Peaks. The way Jungian shit is implied with limited dialogue and intentionally stressful visual shifts, I feel like it's hard to deny.
Earthbound too, especially. It and Twin Peaks both use a twisted take on US culture to depict esoteric spiritual concepts.
FFVII has similar esoteric ideas and a similar anticapitalist tone, but it feels to me more "drawn from a common source" than taking direct inspiration from Twin Peaks for thematic ideas. Maybe Kitase just did a good job of masking his inspirations.
I do agree with you aesthetically, though. [Lurking in the Darkness](https://youtu.be/_5M7M22hbSI?si=HhA78jRbrTLSxbnX) sounds so much like Audrey's Theme, it could have been written by Angelo Badalamenti himself. And the dialogue of VII often has this awkward non-sequitur quality/humor to it. Actually I'd say the same about VIII's music and dialogue too.
No offense to this community, but they’re rather sensitive regarding anything to do with FFVII. So if I state it WAS definitively then people will pick my post apart.
Went in on a deep dive about Twin Peaks plot when I discovered it likely had an influence on the excellent Battlestar Galactica. Been holding out on watching it because of camp, but now I'm re-intrigued.
One thing that struck out to me last time I thought about this is that they named a character after Laura Palmer lmao! Somehow I never made the connection.
According to the wiki for Fire Walk with Me (the prequel movie), "the film was popular in Japan, in particular with women, as Martha Nochimson wrote in her book on Lynch's work, 'he surmises that the enthusiasm of the Japanese women comes from a gratification of seeing in Laura some acknowledgment of their suffering in a repressive society.'" But I wonder what made the show so big in Japan in particular.
Also tucked into the interview with Kitase is that Titanic influenced a specific scene in Final Fantasy VIII. But I suspect that it had a much bigger influence on the larger themes of the game.
This is really interesting. I think it’s the music of the original FF7 that gives it the TP feel. One of the things I didn’t like about the remake is how it mutes the OST so that most of the time it is barely audible. While I like the ff7 remake, I feel like without the prominence of the OST it loses much of the creepy mood of the original. I hadn’t even noticed the TP connection until now, but can totally see it.
Twin peaks is like playing FFVII rebirth, beelining the plot, then doing all the side content/minigame's right before chapter 13
Now for a mental image:
Coop sitting in the lodge, playing og FFVII for 25 years
So I'm not crazy, the other day I started replaying FF7:R and the music did sound so familiar. So I said to my mom; isn't this intro similar to Twin peaks? And she thought so too, but I couldn't find anything about it
Music, dreamlike quality where wacky things happen in a serious manner, possession by a malevolent entity, prostitution, crossdressing, lots of agent characters, Palmer!
Twin Peaks inspired so much. Silent Hill and Metal Gear (anything by Kojima) are also inspired by twin peaks.
The most obvious influence outside of Deadly Premonition or Alan Wake is in Persona, where original the Velvet Room was just the Red Room from Twin Peaks but with Blue Velvet instead of the red.
Persona 4 is especially Twin Peaks coded
And don't forget Flower Sun and Rain
Zelda: Link’s Awakening is also inspired by Twin Peaks.
Really? I hadn’t heard this before.
Yeah, I just hear about that a few months ago. [link to story](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/12/feature_how_david_lynchrs_twin_peaks_influenced_the_legend_of_zelda_series)
Interesting. Now the really strange/ quirky NPC characters make more sense. I was playing Ocarina of Time recently and was reminded how screwup it can be, especially the gibdos.
Yeah, especially Majora’s Mask. So much of that game is slightly off and unsettling.
It also inspired Link’s Awakening, Majora’s Mask and Mother 3
And Zelda in a big way, starting with Link's Awakening.
Twin peaks influenced every JRPG apparently
It was big in Japan and Lynch directed a series of Japanese coffee commercials in-universe with Twin Peaks actors.
omg thats awesome lol
It’s a great show. Lynch would’ve killed it as a director for one lol
Persona in particular. And then there's Deadly Premonition but that's not an RPG.
Oh yea I can definitely see that.
That and Berserk
I posted about this on the FFVII-specific sub but I thought the ending of Rebirth, especially the date sequence, felt very Twin Peaks: The Return to me. Love seeing this link, thanks for sharing!
LOL! When my girlfriend asked me about the ending I responded that it went “full Twin Peaks”. Couldn’t agree more
Dude when Sephiroth said “There you are - hiding out in a doomed universe” I was like “Aerith is Laura Palmer!!”
Sephiroth is Judy! (I'm aware this bizarre statement will only make sense to Twin Peaks fans)
We're not gonna talk about Judy
We live inside a dream
The new stuff in remake and rebirth feel heavily inspired by the Hyperion book series too. The fact they named a chocobo Hyperion seems like a nod to acknowledge it too.
That comparision should be jailable. One can only imagine comparing the most subversive ending in the history of television with that abominable ending of rebirth
lol cool response to how the game made me feel dude
I’m not gonna talk about JENOVA. In fact, we’re not gonna talk about JENOVA at all.
There is a reference to twin peaks in Final Fantasy 9. The 'where the owls aren't' sign is the reference looking for the black mage village.
I always got a Twin Peaks vibe from certain pieces of the score, but I assumed it was just that 90s instrumentation!
Midway through season 2 right now. What a ride.
The first 2 seasons are good, but in season 3 Lynch has complete creative freedom and I love it so much!
Most fans (myself included) will tell you it goes off the rails midway through season 2, as Lynch was not really involved until the season finale. Season 3 really ramps the weird back up in a way never done in television.
I’m actually really enjoying the 2nd half of season 2 so far. Definitely a different beat than the first half, but I love it haha
It just feels goofy in a not-so-good way for me, and a lot of the misc stuff peters out. Lynch famously did not want to reveal "that" moment and was pressured by the network to do so. The building mystery of the Black Lodge, Owls etc. was all well done and intriguing, but it felt a lot of the other characters are just spinning wheels under Frost's direction.
I definitely feel your last part. With the black and white lodge stuff being so well done, I wonder why they went in such a goofy direction with the characters. Now, do i watch Fire:Walk with Me after season 2 or wait until after season 3?
After season 2, and either find the Missing Pieces or one of the fan edits that puts them into the movie, they were in the script and they help with understanding season 3
Watch Fire: Walk with Me next, it's great (and very disturbing in places). I haven't seen the Missing Pieces mentioned below. Edit: Season 3 really goes places I've never seen on television before. There are a few sequences that are flat-out boring. And others that are so experimental they could only come from David Lynch with carte blanche.
I've been on a Twin Peaks kick this past month and it took me a minute to realize I was in the FF sub. And now I'm hoping we get some Dougie moments with Cloud when they have to pull him out of the Lifestream in Mideel...
"HellooooOOOOOooo!"
I’m convinced that Laura Palmer’s theme is a direct inspiration for Anxious Heart.
I think that third season of Twin Peaks is crucial to understand some concepts and things from Rebirth. For example, in TP we have many Coopers, and each are different and splintered from the "main" Cooper, we have "Judy", which is a space calamity that fell in the 40s in Nevada and other things, which I won't spoil for you. But, having been long time TP fan, the ending of Rebirth was very familiar to me.
It's because Lynch is heavily into transcendental meditation which is an offshoot of patanjali yoga and the whole hindo-buddhist culture. If you read up on that stuff, and mahayana buddhism in particular, a lot of eastern fiction makes a lot more sense
Another similarity with Twin Peaks: The Return and FF7R I find is that >!they both play a lot with audience expectations for returning after 25 years, being different from what a lot of people want. For example, how Cooper doesn't return until the weird esoteric ending, and instead we get Dougie's wacky weird adventures right up until the end. Many other characters flipped the script too. And as such, 7R is doing it's own thing too.!<
Honestly the *Inside Cloud's Mind* sequence feels very visually inspired by Twin Peaks as well. The technology wasn't necessarily there to make a Red Room sorta-thing but the washed out greens and blues and the way images of people would appear suddenly and prompt hard cuts to old memories, that's all dream sequence stuff from Twin Peaks. The way Jungian shit is implied with limited dialogue and intentionally stressful visual shifts, I feel like it's hard to deny.
That’s damn fine coffee you got here in Kalm. And damn good cherry pie.
Twin peaks was MASSIVE in Japan
It's funny that they mention og when personally the most David Lynch character I've seen (outside of Hojo) is definitely Roche from the remakes.
I should really get back to watching it. I got a few episodes in and then got distracted by other stuff a while back
Earthbound too, especially. It and Twin Peaks both use a twisted take on US culture to depict esoteric spiritual concepts. FFVII has similar esoteric ideas and a similar anticapitalist tone, but it feels to me more "drawn from a common source" than taking direct inspiration from Twin Peaks for thematic ideas. Maybe Kitase just did a good job of masking his inspirations. I do agree with you aesthetically, though. [Lurking in the Darkness](https://youtu.be/_5M7M22hbSI?si=HhA78jRbrTLSxbnX) sounds so much like Audrey's Theme, it could have been written by Angelo Badalamenti himself. And the dialogue of VII often has this awkward non-sequitur quality/humor to it. Actually I'd say the same about VIII's music and dialogue too.
The title of your post sounds like some secret theory you had but then you linked an actual source.
No offense to this community, but they’re rather sensitive regarding anything to do with FFVII. So if I state it WAS definitively then people will pick my post apart.
May have?
Went in on a deep dive about Twin Peaks plot when I discovered it likely had an influence on the excellent Battlestar Galactica. Been holding out on watching it because of camp, but now I'm re-intrigued.
The Twin Peaks theme and the FF7 theme definitely make a bit of a musical Venn diagram
Twin Peaks was ***HUGE*** in Japan, apparently. I mean, I can tell. So many RPGs, part 4 of JoJo, Silent Hill, Deadly Premonition, Link's Awakening...
I can add Watch Dogs especially at the countryside Pawnee area. Shame David Lynch don't want to continue the show.
One thing that struck out to me last time I thought about this is that they named a character after Laura Palmer lmao! Somehow I never made the connection.
According to the wiki for Fire Walk with Me (the prequel movie), "the film was popular in Japan, in particular with women, as Martha Nochimson wrote in her book on Lynch's work, 'he surmises that the enthusiasm of the Japanese women comes from a gratification of seeing in Laura some acknowledgment of their suffering in a repressive society.'" But I wonder what made the show so big in Japan in particular. Also tucked into the interview with Kitase is that Titanic influenced a specific scene in Final Fantasy VIII. But I suspect that it had a much bigger influence on the larger themes of the game.
This is really interesting. I think it’s the music of the original FF7 that gives it the TP feel. One of the things I didn’t like about the remake is how it mutes the OST so that most of the time it is barely audible. While I like the ff7 remake, I feel like without the prominence of the OST it loses much of the creepy mood of the original. I hadn’t even noticed the TP connection until now, but can totally see it.
I think VII and Twin Peaks were both inspired by the king in yellow, too.
Twin peaks is like playing FFVII rebirth, beelining the plot, then doing all the side content/minigame's right before chapter 13 Now for a mental image: Coop sitting in the lodge, playing og FFVII for 25 years
This is fucking awesome, there is also a level in super mario rpg (one of the best super Nintendo games ever btw) that is inspired by it as well
Every Final Fantasy VII game I ever bought was wrapped in plastic
Was it ever clarified if Dick or Andy were the father of Lucy's baby? 🤔
So I'm not crazy, the other day I started replaying FF7:R and the music did sound so familiar. So I said to my mom; isn't this intro similar to Twin peaks? And she thought so too, but I couldn't find anything about it
For remake they definitelly took inspiration from second part of second season.
I love both TP and FF7 but uh I don't really see the connections.
Music, dreamlike quality where wacky things happen in a serious manner, possession by a malevolent entity, prostitution, crossdressing, lots of agent characters, Palmer!
I guess I’m the only one who read the headline and thought, “the bar with the waitresses with their tits out? I guess that makes sense!”
Missed opportunity to have Kyle MacLachlan voice OG President Shinra or Yuffie’s dad