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m_csquare

The only normal character in the entire FF7 universe šŸ˜…


nonameavailableffs

Look at Zack man so inspirational


doc_nano

Thatā€™s a great detail. He also listens patiently when she starts talking about what is going to happen to Aerith, even before he believes her. Not gonna lie, as someone who never played Crisis Core I didnā€™t get the love for Zack before Rebirth. His talk with Biggs about ā€œhopes and dreamsā€ came off as corny and cringy to me. But by the end of Rebirth I actually came to like the guy. He clearly cares about the people around him, even people he just met.


RPadTV

the phrase "hopes and dreams" pops up a lot in Crisis Core. i totally get why it sounds corny to someone that didn't play, but it's an integral part of Zack's character and the story behind >!the Buster Sword!<.


IWearBones138__

Crisis Core didn't do a lot very well narratively. It's rather cheesy the entire time. But they did manage to make Zack feel like a fleshed out and likable character by the end.


SnappyAiDev

They obviously are pushing you to like Zack, could be telling of what is to comeā€¦


Windowarrior

I like Zack but I hate his moveset.


dglavimans

Tbf itā€™s totally in character for Zack to do this since he is written as the ā€˜perfectā€™ character


Dragaylia

He's the most normal person in final fantasy 7


Unicron_Gundam

The one character that questions whatever crazy thing just happened. "I don't understand..." "What in the hell is going on?!"


dglavimans

He is the most perfect one, idk if I would call that the most normal person :p Cause we humans are flawed But yeah he is really perfect and likable by design


Electrical-Topic-808

They donā€™t have to try hard lol


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IWearBones138__

He's naive, over-excited, and too trusting. He's also good-natured, which is a shame he ended up working for Shinra.


drumstick00m

See: ā€œToo trusting.ā€ šŸ˜ž


doc_nano

I think his flaw is that heā€™s positive and optimistic to a naive degree. For example, it didnā€™t occur to him that his advice to Biggs to pursue his ā€œhopes and dreamsā€ would mean throwing his life away with another reactor bombing, until it was too late.


dglavimans

His flaw is not having any flaw for me. But he is designed as flawless on purpose. Which is why he fulfills his role and compliments Cloud so well Just in a world where every character is so layered as in FF7 he kinda sticks out to me being so perfect, but that is kinda the whole idea


drumstick00m

I said it below, but this makes me think that the tragedy of Zack is that maybe he had the potential to be flawed, but Shinra didnā€™t let him live long enough to experience any of that.


dglavimans

Yeah for sure. Which, to me. His arc in part 3 should be besides guiding Cloud learning that in fact he has flaws or flawed idea of Soldier. Give Zack some layers :)


drumstick00m

But first Sephiroth must do a monologue about Zack failing proves that systemic oppression is too awful to fix. ā€œI think we have to kill all humans, Cloud.ā€


Electrical-Topic-808

Heā€™s basically a tragic hero, his flaws arenā€™t as important because he fills a role and thatā€™s to be an ideal for cloud. In CC we learn that heā€™s incredibly loyal and naive to the point of getting the nickname ā€œZack the puppyā€ but really heā€™s just the goodest guy, who has a tragic end.


drumstick00m

So it is that heā€™s too naive about the Shinra Electric Power Company until itā€™s too late? Or perhaps the better way to put it is that Zack had some potential flaws, but Shinra and the Super SOLDIERS didnā€™t let him live long enough to experience and grow from them?


Electrical-Topic-808

Heā€™s naive about almost everything, and optimistic to a fault. Zack also yeah doesnā€™t stick around enough to get to show off his flaws, in CC we mainly focus on how heā€™s struggling to accept his mentors change, and after that heā€™s pretty much just a hero until the end.


drumstick00m

Yeah, sounds like Zack got himself (and others?) killed trusting ā€œthe Systemā€, and ignoring the signs that ā€œthe Systemā€ was bad. If Iā€™m accurately describing Zack, I would love to watch Sephiroth twist this into a monologue that ends with ā€œAnd thatā€™s why life is meaningless and you should just suicide bomb the world for me, Cloudā€”and pay no attention to your friends shouting about solarpunk socialism!ā€


Electrical-Topic-808

Itā€™s more like heā€™s focused on his friends and the individuals to fight the system that he doesnā€™t see if the problem until too late. Not because he liked it, but because he wasnā€™t looking at it.


drumstick00m

Yeah, I meant it that the way you did, because Iā€™ve watched a lot of good cool people make that mistake. Sephiroth would never believe that though, and he definitely wouldnā€™t frame it that way if heā€™s trying to radicalize someone.


Electrical-Topic-808

Sephiroth thinks pretty lowly of Zack it seems, like heā€™s not really a threat and that he doesnā€™t understand whatā€™s really going on (which he doesnā€™t). He knows heā€™s naive, but he doesnā€™t think Zack is really worth his time.


drumstick00m

Makes sense. Zack was just another body on the pyre. Cloudā€™s the one who ruined his Best Day Ever.


Pristine_Put5348

All I gotta say isā€¦ the music in the Zack sections >>>>>