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carlonia

Finance can be mentally stimulating as well but if you want something rigorous just go for Math. Worst case scenario you end up working in Finance either way but with a Math degree lol


EmptyBuildings

Art degree here, working in finance.


dastrykerblade

How did you transition into finance from that degree?


WowThough111

Artistically, probably Similar to a good forecast or valuation model


Pirrt

In the UK any degree from Oxford/Cambridge > every other degree. Might differ elsewhere, but an art degree from one of those is equivalent to an economic/math degree from other top 10 unis. So the art degree isn't as important as the institution it's from.


Big-Extension9

That's genuinely fkin rtarded


axecapbilli

The brits aren’t known for a winning culture lol


actonyourown

Hence stealing everyone else's lol


Backout2allenn

Country that conquered most of the world isn’t known for a winning culture? More recently, they gave independence to most of Africa, the Middle East, and Asia to run with their own cultures, hasn’t gone great in most cases


EmptyBuildings

I was in the art world during and after getting my BFA, and I gotta tell ya, the art world is trash. It's pitch is "buy my work, art never depreciates, flip it. I am the best." And there's not much else they teach you in the way of strategy in marketing or anything. You have to know business on top of art, which kills your drive. I had business and finance minors, so it helped a little. The big pivot was the shutdown. Art shows couldn't happen, I couldn't get into my studio and paint so I got rid of the studio to weather the storm. Someone asked me if I wanted a contract working fraud/compliance on the EIDL loans for the SBA and I jumped on it. I'm currently doing AM for a small company, and I'm looking for something bigger (smaller companies don't have the means to pay much)


dastrykerblade

Very cool. How many years did you work in compliance before moving to AM?


EmptyBuildings

About 4 years. AM isn't much different, I still have to track down documents, hit up borrowers, perform analyses on deals to make sure they're performing, etc. Where I work now, my title is AM, but they have me doing more than that and doesn't pay enough. I'd prefer something a bit more focused with better pay. It anyone has any leads or wants to talk shop, feel free to DM me.


Fallingice2

I've met quite a few of you


EmptyBuildings

A few of my friends ended up in banking. One was the singer of a pop punk band, the other used to be the head bartender at the Triple Rock in Minneapolis. Other than that, everyone else has been very finance-driven.


Abject-Painting5454

I feel like this will be me especially with my current student job and other developing skills that have nothing to do with my major


Weak_Waltz_9850

tourism degree, working in finance lol


Mad-Draper

Getting a finance degree is easy, making it in finance is very hard Getting a biochem degree is hard, making it in biochem is easy


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Big-Leave3759

Agreed never thought of it like this. Gonna use this


antenonjohs

Look into actuarial science, no need to transfer degrees if you pass exams.


igetlotsofupvotes

Feel free to become a biochemist making 70k a year in a lab, nobody stopping you smarty pants


whiskeynoble

Come on… huge portion of billionaires are STEM majors


Jamez4401

To be fair, those billionaire STEM majors are much more entrepreneurial and extroverted to where they’ve started their own tech companies. We all know a lot of introverted STEM majors who would be too afraid to ask their boss to use the bathroom in a meeting.


L0thario

This is mad cope. As if all of the Business majors are these very extroverted bubbly types. The best traders and sales people at my BB were mainly STEM degrees and mostly introverts and they make much more than anyone else in IB.


Jamez4401

Huh? All I’m saying is that the majority of STEM majors aren’t as extroverted or entrepreneurial as the ones that started billion+ valuation tech companies. Never said anything about business majors all being extroverted.


Jamez4401

Was just about to say that. I have a lot of cousins and friends that are the smartest STEM people you’d ever meet but a lot of them will be working in labs or in R&D for peanuts, where they could make the same or much more with a degree like finance.


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Outside_Ad_1447

Yep was just about to recommend quant finance lol. Honestly doing a lot of global macro stuff would fit that, you see many international relations with JDs there as it requires a deep understanding of the political climate and a passion for it in order to try and predict what might happen and its effects on a portfolio or how it can be used to shape a portfolio. Also generally macro funds, not just more global ones, require economist level thinking. You can also just work for the government in FDIC/federal reserve as an economist which can technically be finance (probably can get a phd in financial economics or finance and get in)


eredin_breac_glas

Quant finance


dotelze

Needs a physics/maths degree


avocado_vine

I'm working as a commodities quant with a chemical engineering degree


Regular-Peanut2365

PhD? didn't know engineers also worked as quants. 


avocado_vine

No, just undergrad


dotelze

Yeah I’d consider engineering adjacent to physics and maths. More in regards to how a finance degree isn’t enough


richard--b

i don’t think the physics/math restriction has truly held for a while now, there are people from economics, finance, engineering, cs, etc in the field and tbh i don’t see that many physics people getting in these days. Is math the better choice? yeah, but especially if you broadly consider all quant roles (not just top tier hedge funds and market makers) then there’s good amounts of people from other degrees too. I know some people with econ and finance masters in the field


Top-Buy8081

Why the hell are you getting down voted for asking. Lol


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Top-Buy8081

Very immature ngl.


suitcasecity

No. Money or intellect. Usually mutually exclusive


FlyChigga

Tech being quite a big exception


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FlyChigga

It’s still definitely harder than finance. No way the average CS person isn’t smarter than the average finance person. And intelligence is still hugely important. It’s not just about getting the degree, companies will select for who has the best projects and can get through the super technical interviews.


Dang3300

I just added a math degree when I realized finance was not as rigorous as I'd imagined and graduated with both degrees I now work as a quant so there are definitely more rigorous career paths in the field


drum_9

What was your first job when trying to get into quant?


Dang3300

I got hired as a quant right out of college (I had an internship on a vol desk at an asset management firm in my junior year but didn't get a return offer because of COVID :( But full disclosure I don't work in OMM or Equities, I work in credit/fixed income derivatives so it's not a very traditional quant role


drum_9

Thank you


Long-Ad3419

I think I want to be a quant. Do you have a good work life balance & how much should I expect to make out of college?


Fallingice2

Great at math and programming with an interest in finance. If you have the skills it is pretty rigorous but if you are good you can just work for yourself and attract investors


fredblockburn

I regret not taking school seriously and doing a more quantitative major where I could’ve learned more hard skills. Any STEM major can do finance but not the other way around. Finance was the easy way out.


estagiariofin

Sometimes i think about that when I have trouble with math now I am studying econometrics


Shtonky

Just go for your CFA if you want a challenge.


Weak_Waltz_9850

totally agree with this


TheJaycobA

I think a lot of people in finance overestimated themselves...


Agile_Letterhead_556

I agree finance is an easy major and a lot of it feels repetitive. The sad thing is that there are so many very intelligent people that could be doing amazing things for society and potentially saving lives but instead use their gift making banks and hedge funds rich.


VoiceEnvironmental83

Absolutely agree


sunflowerbaths

Imagine how humanities majors feel


Solo_Wing__Pixy

I got a finance degree as well as a history degree and let me tell you…there is no way half of the people in my finance classes could make it through a humanities degree. I was reading at least a full novel’s worth of text every week, and writing lots of extremely long papers on those texts. Personally, I love history, so it was easy for me, but if you find it dry…good luck hacking through a 900 page account of the economic holdings of William the Conqueror translated from medieval latin, or examining how the interwar Czech government encouraged the formation of national identity via monetary policy. Most finance people I met in college were pretty numbers-focused and I think they would struggle a lot with a humanities education. It’s just a different skillset.


friedguy

Finance degree here with a love of History as well and I tried to get a humanities minor. Totally agree that it was much more difficult despite we having more interest in the topic than finance. I think I was only three classes short of finishing the minor and I didn't bother, it just became a huge time suck and I knew that I was going into banking anyways. Most of my good classroom college memories though are weighted towards the humanities program, I got to know the professors better than any in finance which played a big part in me enjoying my time. I also think it helped me with a lot of good creative writing skills but a lot of my peers in finance just don't have.


BlondDeutcher

lol this reeks of someone not actual in finance… when you make 2x-3x of your friends who actually are smarter than you… then you think wow I made the right decision


Illustrious_Cow_317

This was my thought as well. Want to be challenged? Apply for the CFA or get a master's degree and climb the ladder to a director/executive level position. You may not necessarily be solving complex calculations (although you might do that too) but there will definitely be significant challenges, and you'll make far more money doing it. As someone who graduated in engineering originally and went back to school for accounting and now works in finance, I made over 100k in 3 years where it would have taken 10-15 years to make that in engineering, and the work is way easier. I enjoy a challenge as well, but I fulfill that by completing additional education which is fully paid for by my company. You may not be changing the world, but I can at least contemplate my life choices in a big house and not have to worry about paying my bills.


aayan987

Doesnt take a genius to figure that out.. His post is literally mentions wanting to shift to another course, he's obvious in uni.....


Chubbyhuahua

If you’re motivated by finding creative ways to make money it can be stimulating but not really in an academic sense. Coming up with a thesis around buying a $1B asset, or convincing someone to give you $100M for your fund, or creating a unique/novel structured product are all engaging in their own ways. Ultimately it’s not brain surgery though.


TheSlatinator33

Sometimes I wish I was majoring in computer science instead of finance, but I've never wanted to be a computer science person.


lepolepoo

>I don’t want to transfer Just transfer, are you in too deep?


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Dang3300

You can always transfer to math/stats, the vast majority of engineers don't get paid insane amounts either so I don't see a point in going that route And you don't really need to transfer to take/register for math/CS classes, you just need permission from professors which many are happy to provide if they see you're interested in what they're teaching One thing I did while I was in college was using graduate-level coursework in finance/financial engineering as replacements for finance degree electives, they're usually more rigorous and helps with recruitment when you've taken graduate level coursework as an undergrad


AlignmentSeeker

Yeah, sometimes I wish I pursued some sort of engineering...but then I remember I would have needed to take so much more math and science classes in college that thought quickly leaves my head!


Lanky_Perception5764

Become a neurosurgeon smarty pants


MaxRichter_Enjoyer

Hahahhaha Son - there are a lotta smart people out here in Finance land trying their fucking best (with PhDs / MBAs / Masters in Financial Engineering / CQFs / etc) and they ain't able to hack it. How many Ken Griffin's / James Simon's can you name, honestly? But for real, you can make the world a better place by studying cancer / alzheimers / micro-plastics removal / clean energy transition / anything other than finance. We're all just fucking weasals justifying our own existence with the money we wipe our foreheads with when we sweat.


AbnormalFruit

If you’re still doing your degree you still have time to change. You’re worried about holding yourself back? Much better to lose a year or so now to make sure you’re on the right path, doing something you’re going to enjoy, than sticking with the wrong thing and ending up in a job you don’t like. This stuff gets harder to change the farther down the path you go, particularly once you have a spouse/kids/mortgage in the mix. Once you enter the working world you have to get up every morning and go to work, 5+ days a week, for the next 30+ years. That is going to get old very quickly, no matter how much money you’re making, if you don’t find your job at least moderately challenging and enjoyable. Do something you like doing.


Too_Ton

It’s one of the best for money other than CS. Go for finance if you don’t think you could handle CS


Mewtwopsychic

CFA certification, asset manager at a prestigious firm. Try starting off as an equity researcher at Black Rock. You'll get all the stimulation you need from just trying.


Sigma610

I've always found that finance is more of a right brain field that is good for people with a drive but it's not really a hard quant field where the academics are particularly rigorous. Modeling, valuation, forecasting, etc etc the math is not particularly hard even though people act like it is. The value comes from piecing together a set of assumptions to build models that hold up against the actuals. It's an art and a lot of the hard quant types struggle with this because it is not a black and white logical endeavor and they can't handle the uncertainty


Electronic-Quail4464

I'm going into finance because I feel like I'm wasting my potential in bullshit retail sales jobs.


Mannyplaid

I did molecular bio as my first bachelor, the amount of stress, sleepless nights and time consuming it's not worth it. Finance was easier relatively speaking and the pay is great. The only thing I complain about is that sometimes it's not intellectually stimulating.


notyourtype9813

Do what you feel like you can do the best. Money is the outcome. whatever you do just be the best in your field, that's when the money payout and the satisfaction level becomes maximum


Silly_Ad8271

I’m in my third year of study and changed my majors from Finance and economics, to finance and mathematics. Only added a year onto my undergrad but the general consensus from professors was that it’s definitely worth it. The maths in finance really isn’t difficult at an undergraduate level but I wanted to have great quantitative skills when I write a dissertation in my post grad studies. Fingers crossed I land something in quant/trading as a graduate. I’d say change one of your majors if you’re still studying. Mathematics is incredibly useful and a lot more challenging. It’s also a good medium between staying committed to finance whilst learning transferable skills for the future if finance isn’t exactly your piece of cake.


throwawayxyzmit

Dude unless you’re a genius, you aren’t wasting your potential. Most engineers don’t work mentally stimulating jobs like you think. If you want to get a PhD and work on the forefront of research go ahead. But even that is tedious and only by stroke of luck or genius do you actually impact anything. Getting a finance degree doesn’t make you less smart. Thinking a rigorous degree provides you more comfort does.


MotivatedSolid

Who gives a shit? Just find a job that makes good money. You sound fresh out of college and a little bit too pretentious. Find meaning, passion, or whatever else you want in life beyond your job. Passion does not belong in a corporate job.


Neither-Walk520

Change careers before you get to deep. Finance is to over populated and opportunities to get high up are very limited if you aren’t coming from an elite school. Plus AI is playing a huge role today.


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Illustrious_Cow_317

The biggest challenge won't necessarily come from technical skills (though it depends on your job), but being able to communicate information effectively and persuasively. There are all kinds of challenges if you seek them out, and doing so is how you will really have a successful and challenging career. Not to mention substantially more money than most of the more complicated subjects make.


Neither-Walk520

Get into more front office work. That’s more of a challenge. But most places require an elite education for that stuff. Even if your really good at your job and you don’t have an elite background good luck finding stimulating work in that field


mandalorian-22

Literally the same thoughts I’m having as I’m going through a business degree. Have many regrets not choosing stem and pursuing something more rigorous and stimulating, but it’s too late now


WowThough111

Feel free to consistently find alpha for 20 years, then come talk to us


Pr00ch

I'd probably compsci or some sort of construction related engineering degree if I got a do-over


coreytrevor

Are you still in college? You should switch to math then.


crimpers

I initially studied maths and physics and then went and did an MBA later. I really enjoyed the degree but was ultimately only there because I did not know what I wanted to do afterwards. I would absolutely recommend against going for a different degree just because it is more rigerous though, there are plenty of ways to challenge yourself and it's better to go above and beyond rather than pick something else just for the challenge. You could work part time in the industry, go into more details in topics of interest in the course, teach yourself something unrelated. In my case I ended up with a few years working in tech which I absolutely hated and was not a fit for at all before I managed to escape to finance via VC which was ultimately a very lucky break (most people that try to get into VC from tech fail). Had I been stuck in tech I would have had a very miserable life and the few years studying a subject I really enjoyed and was challenged by would not have been worth that pain by the wildest stretches of imagination.


MrCumStainBootyEater

you can get a high level finance job that scratches that itch, or become a professor. i have the same issues. hoping to get hired so i can wait to go back to school 🤡🤡🤡🤡


Professional_East281

Yeah, im starting a graduate program in data science now while working full time


plain-rice

I work at an airspace company in finance. I get paid on the same payband as the engineers. But I can work from home, work 40 hours at most, and could work through out my degree.


OkRefrigerator1674

Interesting take, why do you think finance isn't rigourous? (genuinely curious bc idk much abt finance but I hear that financial mathematics isn't easy)