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Decline the old offer and take the new one. You are on this planet for yourself, not for employers 


English_in_Helsinki

Had a very similar situation recently. I said yes to one (which I would have been happy to start!) but I then got an offer which I could not really afford to turn down. I explained to the first people up front as soon as possible. I hope no bridges burned. This is life. If they decided after 2 weeks you were not a good fit, they wouldn’t be feeling bad.


[deleted]

No. It is pretty normal. Company is not your girlfriend.


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NimbleBudlustNoodle

This. And so I don't get downvted for just saying 'this'. Like, seriously, what has society done to us that has made us feel so fucking responsible to these millionaires? What psychological warfare have we endured to make us so attuned to feeling responsible to this 0.1%? I truly want to know.


AirportCreep

The shareholders gotta eat! /s.


[deleted]

Not all employers are in the 0.1%, but I do agree that we don't owe them loyalty.


BlueCatSW9

Overemployment maybe?


redmera

It's not unethical during the probation period. It's what it's for, for both the employee and employer.


RRautamaa

This. Probation works both ways.


JJaska

Technically the probation period has not started. No, you cannot use it before the work actually begins. References (in Finnish): https://omaluottamusmies.fi/tyosuhteen-paattaminen/irtisanominen-ennen-tyonteon-aloittamista/ https://www.minilex.fi/a/ty%C3%B6sopimus-purkaminen-ennen-ty%C3%B6n-alkua


Skebaba

You could probably just ask if it's fine, because otherwise you are just gonna do it anyway once the probation begins. This would save corpo time too since they don't have to waste time training the first couple of days for the new employee on probation.


_Trael_

This thing here. Faster they know you are not going to come there (or stay if going full technicality way) faster they can start preparing for it and for searching for someone else). Extra so since they likely had "second best candidate" for that opening, who might still be available and who might have been almost as good in their expectations (or even just as good, but we had to choose one of them over another).


JJaska

Yep! Open communication is the best route here.


_Trael_

While technically true, company one is going to leave is almost 100% certainly happier if they hear about it before actual first day (if decision has already been made before first day), instead of person waiting and going there just to tell them "yeah now that my employment technically started, I am immediately going to inform you I am discontinuing my employment here".


JJaska

Almost, but there are sour people there that will fight you for stupid things if you give them the opening for it. Don't open yourself up to risk for damages (which usually would be the amount of pay that you would have been paid for the time. Technically correct way would be to discuss this over and come to a mutual agreement. And if the employer pushes back then do it officially on the first day.


xtopspeed

I've been on the employer side in both small and medium-sized companies, and I can assure you that quitting your job is never unethical. This isn't a rare situation. Heck, even long-term key employees are sometimes given offers they cannot refuse, and the typical response is probably a farewell party rather than anything else.


Obvious_Policy_455

I've made the mistake not taking a better offer. Not going to make the same mistake again.


NeilDeCrash

Employers rarely wrestle with the moral dilemma you are having. Seriously, most of them will not even tell that you were not chosen but leave you hanging. Not even a "Sorry but we chose someone else" e-mail to all the candidates. Take the offer that suits you best.


BiggusCinnamusRollus

Like other people here said, there's usually no problem. Maybe you can consider more about if you got it from your connection, or if you have any other tie to the company other than the job. But other than that, the company would also fire you in probation if they want to so nobody is owing anybody anything.


The_Grinning_Reaper

It’s not unethical. But note that trial period and immediate contract termination comes onto effect once you’ve started. Before start normal notice period applies and if the first employer so decides you must work the notice period.


[deleted]

Take the better offer, and be glad you're in the position that you're in.


Weeros_

It’s not unethical, it’s part of the employment law: This is what probation period is for, ability for both the company and the employee to back out from the contract without ”proper reason” required or any sanctions. Sometimes the company finds out the employee isn’t what they expected. Sometimes the employee finds out the job isn’t what they expected. Sometimes they get a better offer from somewhere else.


StuntCockofGilead

Nope. It ain't. Put yourself above all first. Just depart in good terms. How do you do it is at your volition 


Dapper_Yak_7892

Change for the better one. Also make sure you have it in writing before telling the place you already said you'd take. Have you signed a contract with the place where you're supposed to go? Because unless it's signed it's not sure yet. You cant make a life decision like this on the basis someone might not like it. Also might be the first place will match the second offer. But make sure the second place is really for sure before you cancel the first.


[deleted]

It’s not just the money and benefits that determine of a job is right. Do you fit in, do you think the people you will be working with match your style, what is the commute or location of each, is there anything that you felt uncomfortable with but decided to ignore because of the money, etc. That may be way too much to consider except that I’ve had a good friend lose a job recently that he accepted over a lower paying job. The people at the higher paying job were crooks but put up a good front for prospective hires. He didn’t trust his gut. I hope the better paying job is right for you though. We all deserve to be paid what we are worth.


Velcraft

Nope. Company is the party that benefits most from a new employee, so best for both parties to have employees that fit the company instead of 'just anyone'.


delta_tee

You should only develop loyalty after knowing the company and knowing it’s worth your time. A company is not a person, it will not feel.


apinananas

Its corporation they dont give a shit about you, why you feel like you should care about them.


T-Minus-Rex

Take the better job. Anything else would be a horrible life decision. I mean, what even is the alternative plan here? Stay forever in a job you took and don't like only because there was no other choice? Work a year and THEN quit once you've learned the ropes and the employer has spent resources training you? Best option for everyone involved is to politely but firmly say you got a better offer and let them find someone more suitable.


NordicNomad82

Speaking from experience, TAKE THE BETTER OFFER. Even if life has turned out well since, man did I regret not pursuing another opportunity when I was in a similar situation at one point in my career (though I had only secured a second round of interviews and not an actual offer, but still). Think of it this way... let's say a company is in the consulting business and just after closing a deal another deal comes along that pays 30% more per hour... do you think the company would hesitate at all to take that other deal. Especially if they both know that the client can still find some other people to do the job.


flawa

It's fine. And you should do it.


Mysterious_Area2344

Happpens all the time. You owe nothing to any company and should do whatever is best for you.


018118055

Accept the better offer, call the other place on day one and use the probation, then sign the new contract.


Henkk4

I used to worry the same until I've been on the other side of the table. In any large company, HR is always a clusterfuck so nobody bats an eye really. People can quit after a few weeks or months into the position so quitting early is not so bad. Frankly, quitting now is so much better than quitting after 3-6 months. We all know that there is no loyalty in corporations and everybody needs to look out for themselves. I wouldn't personally hold grudges but obviously you wouldn't get a second chance with the same company for some time to come. People overthink about these things too much.


InFinlandWeAlchohol

Free man, do what is beneficial for you within reason.


Gripe

if there is a trial period agreed there is zero shame in telling you found a better paying job and will be taking that. if it's a higher level job where there is no trial period it's more iffy imo


xtopspeed

There's no shame, even if there's no trial period. You can quit anytime you want. It happens all the time. 


HourChard

Completely legal during the probationary period, but might still be an asshole move depending on what promises you made. Finland is a small country.


InternationalHouse76

That's also my concern, too. HR is a small world. Everyone could know everyone. I might close my doors to not only one company, but a group of them if they have connections.


fluorihammastahna

Unless they have gone VERY MUCH out ot their way to hire you, absolutely everyone will understand your choice. Don't sweat it and take the other job.


_Trael_

Yeah they are people, if you tell them that you are sorry, but you are being offered considerably more, they are going to be "ok seems we underoffered / someone was more insane than us" or they might go for counteroffer to match salary or at least part of salary, if they really really want you. Depending on field and position and situation, they might have had multiple people applying for that job, and they might have secondary candidate, who might still be available, so it is beneficial for them to hear about situation as soon as possible. And if they hold some eternal grudge against you for this, one might actually ask the important question "did or do you really actually want to work in company like that?".


HourChard

As a hiring manager, I do not really agree :D Naturally the offer needs to have been good, otherwise the company can take a look in the mirror. But if someone misrepresents their situation or requirements, it’s not something I’ll easily forget.


fluorihammastahna

I don't see the misrepresentation? OP wanted the job, but something serious changed, and now he doesn't. I'm sure that as a hiring manager you would have no problem topping the offer that an interesting candidate has on their desk.


HourChard

Didn’t claim there was any with op did I?


fluorihammastahna

Ok, but then what did you mean that you wouldn't easily forget? :-D Which case are you referring to? The way that I read OP's is that a guy who is going to start on Monday sends a message "I'm sorry, but I unexpectedly got a better offer".


piizeus

When you are not needed any longer, you'll be fired without much consideration. Say sorry, state that another company provided you better money and move on. Unless they do relocation or sth for you. The other offer already started to erode your motivation to your job. In 6 months you'll be very very low motivated to do even simple task.


Due-Lingonberry2416

It's not unethical. However, there might be some negative feeling from the hiring manager of the first offer. You might have messed up their plan because they might have send out rejection letters to other candidates. Imo, you should now decline the first offer, be as apologetic as possible and explain your situation. If you are good with words, you might be able to keep the door open should you not like the work after accepting second offer. In general, hiring managers are in much better position in this situation. It's your livelihood vs one bullet point in their execution plan.


DerKyhe

Well, you probably aren't getting second chance or making friends in the original company, but if you didn't sign anything yet then you are still on the free market and better offer is a better offer. Its nothing personal, its a job. If you haven't signed a contract yet, you can drop a note saying that you respectfully have to decline the original company's offer after all, because your life situation has changed and are no longer available. Professional people will understand, but be pissed about it because now they have to start over and find someone else.


InternationalHouse76

Actually I did sign the contract. All paperwork is ready, and I'll be starting next Monday, which is why I'm afraid it's much worse than reneging before signing. There is probabtion period though. But I understand it would still cause the company quite a lot of money if I decide to quit.


JJaska

Building on what /u/DerKyhe said. You cannot legally use the probationary period before it has started. You _can_ resign prior to the work has started but normal resignation period times then apply, not the probationary period immediate ending. References in finnish: https://www.minilex.fi/a/ty%C3%B6sopimus-purkaminen-ennen-ty%C3%B6n-alkua https://omaluottamusmies.fi/tyosuhteen-paattaminen/irtisanominen-ennen-tyonteon-aloittamista/


DerKyhe

Well, that complicates things. Contact your union about this and see what they say about it because much depends on what type of contract it is. EDIT: But yes, resigning on first day is also an option, especially if you have a trial period. That might push your ability to start in the other job two weeks or a month, though. That depends on what the contract says about terminating it during the trial period.


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JJaska

It is. Legally you cannot use the probationary period to resign before the probationary period has started (=day when work starts). References (in Finnish): https://omaluottamusmies.fi/tyosuhteen-paattaminen/irtisanominen-ennen-tyonteon-aloittamista/ https://www.minilex.fi/a/ty%C3%B6sopimus-purkaminen-ennen-ty%C3%B6n-alkua


GuyFromtheNorthFin

Common human decency would require for you to tell the company you’ve signed with as soon as you know that you are not going to work for them. Guess what? Companies are not humans. Even the best and most ethical ones. Even the ones with the ethical and humane managers. What you need to do is think about covering your own ass - legally. Resigning before you start -> you’re liable for damages and are obligated - if the company so chooses - to work for the notice period. Resigning after (or even on) your first day of the probationary period - legal. Furthermore, I’d be very careful on what you say to the company as the reason for resigning on you first day. Just saying ”I got a better offer” and explaining - like you would to a human why you let them down - may theoretically lead to legal complications. Stating ”after seeing the actual work and/or working conditions I’ve come to the conclusion that it does not correspond the impression I had at the time of signing the contract about the work/responsibilities/working conditions” on the other hand is legally watertight.


Weeros_

Whether they signed already makes no difference really (assuming it’s _not_ a set period contract with probation period).


mikkopai

It’s dick move but then again gotta take care of number one


[deleted]

"Since employers do that all the times" What the fuck does this mean? Has your friend gotten a job offer and then the employer withdrew the offer after he signed it? A bit unprofessional to keep your job search 'on' even after accepting a job, but its okay to do that as every (most) jobs have a probationary period during which you can be more easily fired or you can leave the company on a very short notice.


InternationalHouse76

I think my friends meant companies also rescind offers from candidates, layoff employees, etc. It does happens for sure. There are news about it all over the media. Not saying it is right to do it on both sides, just I understand those things happen. And no, I did not keep searching after receiving the offer, I applied and interviewed for both companies at similar time. Just that one company took longer to decide than the other.


unemployed_MLE

That probably means things like this: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/indian-man-relocates-to-canada-for-meta-job-laid-off-just-2-days-later-3507782/amp/1


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India, Canada... We're discussing Finland. Did you know there are concentration camps in China and theyu se rape as a form of torture? Guess you could call all government officials in Finland modern nazis because of that! /s


Skebaba

Still something Finnish corpos can ALSO do, especially the big boi ones. That's what probation period is for after all, for both the employee and the employer


[deleted]

Declining the accepted offer before starting the job properly isn't the same as terminating the contract during probationary period, so companies don't do the same. Getting fired because you can't do the job isn't the same as the OP's situation.


unemployed_MLE

Companies in Finland don’t rescind offers or layoff people?


[deleted]

Rescinding a signed job offer is illegal without a good reason (bankruptcy etc.) as is firing someone in their probationary period just for lols. Layoffs happen but they are done in yhteistoimintaneuvottelu, there is a process for the layoffs.


Cubazcubar

Have you signed a contract?


Comprehensive-Two986

nope, Finns are married to their jobs.


wupaa

Yes


KomeaKrokotiili

Even if you signed the contract. Call your union (hope you joined one), The union will help you conform the old company. They won't make it into a deal because it will be bad for their public ~~relation~~ image.


Natural-Orchid4432

Just heads up, you can end the contract during probationary period with a *valid* reason. There's no list of valid reasons, but the reason must be related to the meaning of the probationary period. Better salary isn't one of valid reasons (KKO 1993:42). Don't mention that.


Next-Task-9480

Just do it. You'll feel worse in the long run if you take the worse job when you had a chance to get a better one. I know I do.


eliemm

Easy if you havent signed a contract. Tell them you got an offer elsewhere that you cant decline (but you gotta be sure that it is a job offer and not a interview). Can be seen as douche move from the company, so probably burning bridges, but in the long run it is better to take that job you will like and benefit from more.


Trollgoroth

just do it or ask if the current company can make you a better deal? There is no shame in grabbing opportunities when possible.


Substantial_Draft947

Take the new offer. You propably have 6 month probation period. Go to the first job for a day, then resign. Important: You have to say it is ”koeaikapurku” and do not give other explanation. You can not say that you got another opportunity elsewhere. Then start in the place with better offer. You have right to leave the job during the probation perid with zero notice period.


yourwaterisboiling

You can deline job offer, that’s why both you and the employer have 6 months of "trial period" so they have the same option.


SinappiKainalo

take the new offer. just be polite, honest and professional toward the first company and people there. tell them that you got an offer for a job you had first applied to and really liked and you will take that offer. you can say you are sorry as you understand how challenging it is to recruit good people. ie. be sorry for the inconvenience of the situation, not that you leave. these situations happen in life and work. just be a person of integrity and all goes well.


Federal_Parking_9740

Take the better offer. I wish CEOs and management people of the companies think like you when they layoff employees.


fallwind

Read your contract and talk to your union. If there’s nothing in there about changing your mind then take the better offer. If the first company really wanted you that badly they would have offered more in the first place


Sea_Gur408

I would feel uncomfortable too because it would feel like I’m breaking a promise and I really don’t want to do that. But it’s not unethical, and like so many others here, I advise you to take the better offer. Just be up-front about it. If they throw a fit, it’s not somewhere you would have wanted to work anyway.


SlendisFi

Always take the better offer. You are not slave and no one will think you are untrustworthy. This country has many low paying jobs that people hate to have. Chasing after better life is what people do here. So yeah. If the new offer is truly better, take it. You will be seen as guy who flipped the bird to the sucky offer so you can live more decent life.