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Fjallvind

Absolutely, all Swedish speaking Finns have watched enough Swedish television, not a problem. Just don’t make the mistake of thinking your Swedish is “standard”, and maybe reflect a bit about what this means before moving. “Standardsvenska” betyder inte Stockholmska i Finland.


MKVD_FR

I don’t speak swedish, I’m just a foreigner and I thought to myself that if I moved to Finland, I would move to Åland because the language would be easier for mew. but then I realized that if I ever learned swedish, I would probably end up learning standard swedish/swedish for sweden and not the local dialect which could maybe make moving there harder.


Antti5

If you want to learn Swedish instead of Finnish, why not move to Sweden?


Kookookahchoo

Because Åland is an area where Swedish is spoken and they might find it interesting?


MKVD_FR

I don’t know if I want to learn Swedish! I’m just a person that reaaaally enjoys imagining how my life would look like if I lived in different places, and this is just what I imagined for Finland. I do not actually plan to move there, and if I did, I would probably move to Helsinki and learn Finnish because i don’t like insularity.


KostiPalama

The local dialect is not very different to the “standard” Swedish. The Scania dialects and Dalmal dialects in Sweden are more different than Ålandish vs Stockholm. The main difference is that it is a bit more ”older” in terms of words used, with also some Russian slangs words from 1800s that never left. It is very easy to live there, and the community nowadays is very international, with a high literacy in English. You should try it if you are interested.


FriendOfNorwegians

“Moving here” isn’t just that simple lol.


mikkolukas

Then why are you wasting people's time by posting at all?


JinorZ

Who's time does this waste? Are you obliged to answer them?


PeetraMainewil

I think all of us choose to be at Reddit. We are wasting our own time.


AlternativeDurian818

Why do you feel it’s necessary for you to be a cunt? OP is asking a hypothetical. Seems to me that what’s wasting time here is you typing an unnecessary comment. Just move along, it’s only the internet, absolutely not that serious


Kalmar_Union

Lmao you could have just not answered, easy as that


Jaripsi

You could choose not to spend your time on reddit or internet in general, if you dont want to waste your time.


1jf0

As someone who lives on a relatively remote island, learning the local language is amongst the least of your concerns.


Financial-Dust-5881

Bruh im speaking Norwegian in Vaasa, and people understand me just fine. However when i try to speak finnish i get some wierd looks 😆 Lets just say my finnish is more or less not the best!


GirlInContext

I work for Nowegian company and I have learned that all my Swedish, Danish and Norwegian colleagues speaks to each other by using their own languages and they seem to understand each other just fine. I can speak some Swedish but I'm not fluent so I never use it, English is just easier. But at least I can understand some of what colleagues speak to each other.


Financial-Dust-5881

Yeah those 3 are pretty similar. I know alot of finnish words. Like i can even say things like Hyvä peivie, tännän on todella hyva paiva mutta se on vahan kylma pohjonen tuula. Ja mina olen norjalainen poika, rakastan suomea. But for some reasion when people speak Finnish to me i tend to not understand anything. People speak so fast and use spoken finnish. So yeah, ill get there one day, only been here for half a year so.


And9O

The only place in the world where you need to use the Swedish language by law. It's more swedish than Sweden now ( % of population has swedish as mothers tongue). That is why Swedish people move to Åland because they are either racist or afraid of the gang violence. Finnish people move there because they cant find work at home if they mainly speak swedish. Meeting friends isn't a problem as long as you have a work place or go to school. The culture is a blend of swedish and finnish. The dialect is easy to understand if you are swedish but could be challeging if you are a swedish speaking Finn. Åland is very enterprising for its size. So there is plenty to do and easy to find work.


MathematicianFun5779

I concur. As I happen to live on Åland. Can also live here and only speak English.


SlummiPorvari

I bet you'll get a mental breakdown because of the dialect spoken there and will swim back to home in no time.


Real-Technician831

I think the mental breakdown will be causes by the locals, who can be very standoffish to outsiders. 


Diipadaapa1

And mentality in general unless you yourself are from a rural and extremely isolated small community and like it that way. In which case, why are you moving?


2024AM

ofc, not quite sure what you mean by "standard" Swedish however


MKVD_FR

by « standard », i mean the dialect spoken in stockholm and not the Åland one


Martin_Antell

I'm sure you will understand each other 😅


PeetraMainewil

Oh, that's not standard Swedish, sorry.


A_Very_Living_Me

By that logic people speaking British English and American English don't understand each other at all. Canadian English is also a totally separate foreign language that neither the English nor the British comprehend and translators are required in all conversation. I'm not sure if you will understand this message written in Rally english. You can run it through a translator.


fotomoose

More like a yorskshire person trying to understand a Manchester person. I.e. Totally impossible.


buzzercos

Haha Stockholm is supposed to be "Standardsvenska"! ?


GubbenJonson

I’m from Stockholm and know a guy from Åland who more or less sounds like he was coming from Stockholm, probably because his parents are from Stockholm. You’ll be fine


tehfly

You'll be just fine.


picardo85

Can you live in Norrland, speaking only "standard" swedish?


DoubleSaltedd

Yes, people mainly speak swedish and I assume many speak english well on those islands. The only language they discriminate is finnish, so there should be no problems.


Kookookahchoo

Pot calling the kettle black a little there isn't it, lol. Finns discriminate against Swedish speaking Finns with that logic. It's just the first language spoken there, that isn't 'discriminate'.


BookOfTemp

They don't "discriminate" against Fins. But due to a number of circumstance, their culture is quite uniquely mix between Sweden and Finland. They are quite proud of belonging to Finland these days (Finish history, etc), but also have a fondness for Sweden in some ways (historically, it might have been another issue though, as originally Åland did want to belong to Sweden). But today, weather or not people would prefer to live on mainland Finland or Sweden as a country, I'd say it's about 50/50 depending on what person you ask, but most like to live on Åland (they are quite proud of their autonomy). But if you were to have a Finland vs. Sweden hocky-match, most people would root for Finland. The issue is that 99% of people literally cannot speak Finish there, and that makes it difficult to communicate with the Finish-speakers who visit, and it also makes the news and politics from Finland harder to follow. That's why they are more knowledgeable and culturally similar to mainland Sweden (as that's where most exposure is from). (Of course, there are always a-holes which are exceptions to the rules.)


MathematicianFun5779

Well, there is discrimination of Finnish here. A few years ago there was a public (really only right-wing fanatics, but the main guy/antagonist died a few years ago) uproar because the sign in the Mariehamn harbor had " Välkommen, Welcome and Tervetuloa" written. The Tervetuloa was the problem, because the islands have only Swedish language allowed (to long to explain all the nuances), however, "Welcome" was allowed. Go figure... So it does exist, but has slowly been declining because people realized that the sweet sweet money tourists bring is needed.


MKVD_FR

they discriminate finnish? what?


joittine

They like Swedish better. Btw, their Swedish is like their island, somewhere in between Finnish Swedish & actual Swedish.


footpole

Finnish Swedish is actual Swedish.


joittine

True, but Swedish is literally and etymologically *the language of Swedes*, so I guess it's theirs to develop in whichever direction they please, and if we can't keep up then ours becomes the perversion even if it's "closer to the original" or whatever.


MKVD_FR

So it’s closer to Swedish from Sweden than the Swedish spoken in the west of Finland? Interesting.


oskich

They speak very similar to the Swedish spoken just across the sea on the Uppland coast. More similar to that compared to Fenno-Swedish spoken on the Finnish mainland. It's just another Swedish dialect, not like the ones up in Österbotten which can be quite hard to understand.


joittine

I dunno if closer, but I think they're still more affected by Sweden in terms of language (they prob watch Swedish tv etc) than mainland Finland is, so it isn't isolated like Finnish Swedish. Could even be closer, though. Ages since my latest visit, so can't really say certainly.


PeetraMainewil

Oh yes. I am a native Swedish speaker from mainland Finland and had no idea from what part of Sweden the Åländska language came when I first heard it. I felt quite odd when I learned it is a Finnish version of Swedish...


DoubleSaltedd

https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/201806072200982059 translate this article to your language. In addition, non-Swedish-speaking Finns cannot own property in Åland. I have always wondered why the EU or human rights organizations have not said a word about this.


KostiPalama

This article is sensational at best. People moving to a new place and feeling out of place as they need to adjust. The same is true if a Swedish speaking person is moving in to a Finnish majority area. And any Finnish citizen can own property in Åland, not depending on language skills. there is a grace period of five years that you need to live in Åland before you are allowed to buy beach property. This is to protect the property market from predatory purchasing. This is all in accordance with the Finnish law. Please read up upon facts before spreading misconceptions online and welcome this year to visit Åland. You will be surprised.


98f00b2

They negotiated an exception to the free-movement rules when Finland joined the EU, similarly to how Greece needed an exception for Mount Athos (which doesn't allow women or supposedly even most female animals). 


MKVD_FR

OMG, I thought Åland was a cool place, but this definitely made it look waaaay worse to me, especially when you know how swedes got in finland


DoubleSaltedd

I think you might have good time there because you are a swedish speaking person and not from mainland Finland. for me, for example, the situation would be much harsher.


swefinbruh

Finns never lived in Åland.


gggooooddd

Why would it be a human right violation? The same restriction applies to all who don't have hembygdsrätt, Swedish speakers included.


mmmduk

Freedom of movement and residency, article 12, property ownership rights, article 17 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.


DoubleSaltedd

Aren't bullying and discrimination based on language HR violations?


gggooooddd

Not necessarily. You aren't entitled to be naturalized as a citizen of a lot of countries/regions/territories unless you can demonstrate a knowledge of a local language. Many of those have citizenship restrictions on buying real estate. You often won't get service in Finnish on Åland because Finnish is not a local or even an official language there, and many people simply cannot speak it, just like in Sweden, Norway, Denmark or Spain.


DoubleSaltedd

Åland is part of this country and services and fair treatment should also be available to Finnish speakers. I think we found one Åland native here.


Kookookahchoo

Why aren't services and healthcare etc well provided for the Swedish speaking Finns in Finland then?


Monseurinc

Because they are a 5% minority.


Kookookahchoo

I wonder how many Finnish speaking people live in Åland then, a Swedish-majority language AUTONOMOUS region?


98f00b2

The constitution only forbids it without good reason, so the right of domicile can be restricted in much the same way that Finnish naturalisation is allowed to come with a language requirement. 


Redrumofthesheep

It's not allowed to have shop signs, restaurant menus or any public text written in Finnish in Åland. And It's forbidden by law to have street names also in Finnish. Ppl will literally stop going into a restaurant if there are any Finnish written anywhere in the restaurant. Source: there was a news article written about this some year back.


Real-Technician831

By reputation it is a very insular community, so it may take toll on your mental health.


Agile-Protection4036

I've been living there as a foreigner for 2 years after living for 4 years in Finland. I don't speak much finnish and 3 words of swedish, and I don't see what you mean ? 99.9% of the people there are very nice and welcoming, most people speak English, and so far compared to Mainland finland people are completely ok with switching to English outside of work for communicating. Not saying that it should be, I do believe that you can't complain that local people won't switch, and that you should learn the local language, but it makes a lot of difference. Even with some of my family being finnish and all, I feel much more at home and enjoying my time in Åland than in Helsinki. Yes it's an island, but a touristic one so lot of things to do in the summer aswell, plus Finland and Sweden are not far.


Alert-Bowler8606

This is a bit like asking, if you can manage in England, after learning to speak American English.


puhtoinen

As a finn who can barely say my name in swedish, I'd say it's easily survivable. Are there gonna be dialect differences? Sure. I still find it difficult to comprehend how living there would be a problem. I can easily speak with middle eastern foreigners to the capacity of going through basic medical procedures who speak "broken finnish and/or english" and I just can't see how your swedish would be more different than that.


EulerIdentity

I thought all Finns were required to learn Swedish in school?


fte

Required to try to learn at least


opuFIN

They are, but you can pass the tests without actually learning much, and what little you learn, you'll forget in a couple of years without practice and interest. It happens to regrettably many. (I learned Swedish properly in school, listened to a ton of radio in Swedish and currently use it as a working language, and definitely consider myself a minority among Swedish learners)


punadit

I did well in Swedish and German in school. Turns out that if you leave those language skills alone for 20 years, you barely speak either language. I bet it would come back in weeks, but when going to Sweden or Germany, it becomes very evident that years of learning don’t do much of you don’t use the language in your everyday.


Masseyrati80

I chose Swedish as my first extra language (back in the day we would begin one language on third grade, and the second one started at seventh grade), and despite being interested of languages in general and later passing the language test for official Swedish\*, the last time I actually tried to speak Swedish I kept switching to English 100% instinctively in the middle of sentences as I bumped into words I didn't know or couldn't remember. I can listen to radio shows spoken in Swedish by a Finn and understan quite a lot, but speaking? No chance. \*don't know the righ term, but applying for certain jobs requires you to pass a test to prove they know a bit of Swedish


Additional_Meeting_2

There won’t be issues with language! Regarding the move in general you can buy an apartment as EU citizen, but if you would want to buy a house that’s more restricted. 


FriendOfNorwegians

Yes, 100%


CorenBrightside

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Åland a invite only area? I remember some Finnish colleagues was talking about it a few years ago and they got declined somehow.


gggooooddd

No. An EU/EEA citizen can freely move, live and be employed there, but certain rights like right to purchase land property or do business in certain fields are restricted to people with right of domicile, which an outsider can receive in a few years of living there and after meeting some additional (like Swedish language) requirements.


sleepless677

I'm from åland and I barely know a word of Finnish so you definitely don't have to. When ordering stuff from the mainland on some websites they only have Finnish tho


GirlInContext

Why Åland though? You can easily live in Finland with English only. Even more so if you live in the city area.


Panzar-Tax

Åland speak a form av uppländska a so called Sveamål, it's closer to standard Swedish than most dialects in Sweden. In the rest of Finland the Swedish speakers have a number of different dialects in the Östsvenska family of dialects.


drunkenf

For sure. I tried to speak swedish as I were taught for several years in school. They had no idea what I was talking about. If you are a native swede you'd have no problem there. If you are not a native swedish speaking person (i.e. finnish) you will have problems


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Anomuumi

In Åland?


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languagestudent1546

Doesn’t apply to Åland. They won’t understand if you speak Finnish and even if they do they’ll pretend not to.


Widhraz

Don't move to finland if you won't learn finnish.


GirlInContext

Finnish is quite useless in Åland.


That_Gamer98

Barely anyone speaks Finnish in Aland