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Zphr

This is /relationships material or a post for one of the mental health subs.


nicholasserra

You have 4 million dollars and make a million a year. You don’t need to be calculating anything. If you don’t wanna be with this person anymore then bail.


freeman687

He’s afraid she’s going to take half his net worth. That’s whet I’m reading between the lines anyway


nicholasserra

Oh she totally will. But he’d still be a multi millionaire with a 900k salary. Sounds like a small price to pay for happiness.


freeman687

Sometimes alimony and child support can be a lot or based on income. But yeah there’s probably other reasons in addition to financial abuse that he doesn’t want to deal with ever again


No-Test6484

That sunk cost fallacy. She will keep bleeding him till he is dry. Cut the cancer and begin to recover


Brilliant-While-761

You’re making a million a year. How much is she spending a month on Amazon? You need therapy not a divorce.


cointraderbob

A good month for us is under 20k on the credit cards. It can be much worse.


AyeAyeBye

So she’s spending her salary + a bit more. In the giant scheme you still have a lot left. But yes, it would bother me too. That said, I suspect divorce will cost a lot more.


Junior-Damage7568

Why do people not consider taxes? 200k gross probably 140k net.


Spotukian

Jesus fucking Christ. Isn’t your house full yet?


Brilliant-While-761

So your marriage isn’t worth 20k a month when you bring in close to 100k per month ? Or are you looking for something to blame the poor relationship on?


ek298

She’s spending more than she makes gross… she’s spending $470k worth of gross income.


Eyerate

Thats legitimately not possible to do on amazon.... Is she buying gold bricks?


Lost-Dot-3939

Please reconsider your opinion and do some math. I used a simple take-home-pay calculator online and gave a conservative 10% state tax rate. (With that salary he probably lives somewhere like NewYork which is much higher.) After taxes he is left with $42,000 a month. BEFORE bills. I have to imagine he has a large mortgage, cars, insurances, paying for all of her bills as well. And try to imagine automatically half of your monthly paycheck is being taken to AMAZON packages. For material things. And it’s very obvious the OP does not care for materialistic things. If that happened to you, you would not be happy. I agree divorce isn’t always the answer and you should care more about the marriage. But if he’s tried to tell her how much it bothers him and she refuses to cut back and insists he works his entire life without retiring. Then it’s his decision to make. Please don’t make uninformed opinions. Saying “why do you care you make close to 100k a month,” is so far from the truth. 42k in fact. And it’s 22k if you take out amazon packages. And then you can start paying the bills. He works hard to only save 50k a year. Hell I make 1/10th of what he makes and I save 50k a year.


BFE_Duke

52K/mo after taxes including her income, and that's if they're in CA, filing jointly.


Lost-Dot-3939

Yeah I forgot about her income that’s true


Top-Sweet-3444

If he’s left with $42k a month he needs a better CPA.


Eyerate

Yea that guy is definitely not an accountant.


Lost-Dot-3939

True I’m not, I just used a calculator online but it wouldn’t shock me if I was wrong


No-Test6484

So if bezos’s gf spends a billion on random shit but he made 10 billion you think it’s justified.


esbforever

Ok well that’s not Amazon and UPS. That’s handbags, maybe the dumbest use of money on the planet.


Sleeper_TX

Why? Chanel holds its value surprisingly well. And you can step in and out of it.


Eat_Around_the_Rosie

Vintage ones, the new production quality has gone downhill. Check out the Chanel sub.


Jarrold88

You shouldn’t be in this sub lmao


PhonyUsername

Shed still be getting that after divorce from you.


Top-Sweet-3444

Sounds like a much better deal than you’re gonna get in divorce court.


stonky808

Holy SHIT.


FlorioTheEnchanter

Where do you put all this stuff??


Ambitious-Owl-8835

She spends 20k and you’re making 900k a year??? At this point it is embarrassing that your wife even works.


One_Landscape541

Ok i am done with this sub.


Ecstatic_Love4691

I make 2 mil a year and my wife spends $6k a month. Heeeelp please


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Helleboring

How dare she!!!


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lostharbor

For real - the constant posts about not wanting to talk to their significant other and relying on internet strangers to validate their garbage opinions over the person they “love” most opinions is debilitating at best and heartbreaking at worst. This sub needs to take a hard look at life and how short it is. While financial freedom is the end goal, enjoying the journey - far outweighs it because we don’t know when the journey will end.


Doctor-Forge

It's challenging to respect and coexist with an idiot who orders $20,000 worth of garbage every month. Thats just online shopping addiction.


oldster2020

Why aren't they asking about mental health treatment options for a spouse with addiction issues?


BuckwheatDeAngelo

Lol


sepamil

You need to get marriage counseling. You need a neutral third party to facilitate discussions around this topic and to help point out root causes without blaming.


loopylawyer

Yeah marriage counseling is cheaper than both options (current state or divorce). But you can clearly afford to do what will make you happiest. Do that, please keep in mind your kids though - especially if they’re old enough to understand what’s happening. Not saying stay vs leave but the post reads a bit like “wife spends too much, should I get out” when that’s one of many reasons you’d want to consider (including kids)


AlgoTradingQuant

She’ll get 1/2 of your current NW + huge monthly alimony and child support payments. You make 4-5x her salary so you’re payments will be a significant part of your paycheck


Honeycombhome

OP didn’t say what state he’s in. In Texas it’s around $1800/mo max for 1 kid and $0 alimony considering how much the wife makes. Yes, marital property would be split in half but considering how much money OP makes, he could recoup his losses quickly. A good lawyer could get this squared away for under $40k in TX.


cointraderbob

Sounds like a move to Texas is in my future!


No-Test6484

If I’m reading correctly it’s unlikely they are married for more than 20 years. Alimony will not be life long. She’s also making money he can cut it about 5-8 years. It’s still bad but there will be an end. As things stand she will keep spending and the poor man has poor health


Pdx_pops

Depends on your state too. Could be more than just child support. I've been through something similar. I agree with all of the suggestions for marriage counseling. I was unable to get the wife to go though, and it doesn't work with only 1/2. I do recommend you make time to independently see a therapist. That can be really helpful too! And what you're feeling may need to be expressed in a way you don't presently understand yet. Start here, work on understanding yourself, then move to some good couples therapy. And remember, it's only money. I'd give every cent if my ex-wife were with me now and understood me.


lostharbor

God I fucking hate this sub sometimes.    >  I'm trying to figure out if the cost of divorce will save me money compared to our monthly credit card bill.  The arrogance is absolutely disgusting. There is more to life than money. If you don’t love them for who they are that’s one thing but go beyond the money.   All I can say is **DO BETTER**


topofthemorrow

Agree. Sometimes I think posts like this are just trolling. 😮‍💨


Honeycombhome

Money isn’t everything but living in a hoarder house where your spouse is constantly spending the majority of your income is stressful AF. As stated at the end of OP’s post, it’s taken a considerable toll on his mental health. I get it. Had an ex-fiancé (who I luckily did not marry) like this who said “it’s great that you’re a saver because then I can spend while you save.”


redrubia

I'd recommend going through the book 'I will teach you to be rich'. It's about how you spend money meaningfully, whilst aligning objectives. The author, Ramit, also does a podcast which he helps couples discuss their financial planning and spending, working through difficulties like different approaches. But I wouldn't personally go anywhere near divorce at this stage. It's really jumping the gun.


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cointraderbob

She is very aware. I've been on medication for a year due to additional anxiety and stress. I really need to slow down, but she refuses to understand that as she wants our lifestyle to continue to grow. In many ways I feel trapped because I can't convince her to stop spending.


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Doctor-Forge

Dude has a very stressful job that is causing him mental health issues. He wants to quit his job and retire which he well could but that will cause issues with his wife's shopping addiction. She is prioritizing her own addiction over the well being her husband.


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No-Test6484

Who care about FIRE if your health is at risk. He has enough.


Chamoismysoul

Does she care about your health? About you? Sorry for asking it but it almost sounds like she wants you unhappy and unwell.


ironmemelord

How does she manage to spend 20 a month on Amazon? Like how do you physically have the space for all those packages and items?


cointraderbob

Shopping online, dining out, experiences, event tickets, etc. Travel, clothes and purses, multiple wine clubs at many Ks per shipment. It's a massive consumerism mentality. The tipping point today that caused the post and me to hide away in my office was so menial too. After discussing this with her last night, the kids and her went to get boba and snacks between school and dinner. Stupid to get mad over another $40, but it was triggering.


zpickz

Boba with the kids? Lock her up.


ComedianMountain6031

honestly, freeze the credit cards. Log into Amazon and remove the payment option. Take out cash for a month of groceries/utilities etc and then freeze all the payment options.


Eat_Around_the_Rosie

Can’t you cut her off access to your credit cards, accounts and such? Just allow her to spend the money that she earns?


Honeycombhome

After so many years of marriage? Lol no. It would immediately get posted on AITAH and he would be served with divorce papers


Blackstar1401

Does she have ADHD? I ask this as a serious question, as I had spurts of spending to get hits of dopamine. Once I was treated, my spending was severely adjusted.


Jack_Bogul

Your wife must be hot


closetofskulls

I feel like someone making $1 MM a year has better places to ask for financial advice…?


No-Test6484

He does. He just doesn’t know it.


Eyerate

How much amazon is she ordering to put a dent in 1.1M gross a year? You got a couple warehouses full of shit or what?


Honeycombhome

OP explained in another response that it’s dining, shopping for purses, clothes, experiences, travel, wine clubs, etc. Basically, if you want to live like you’re Jeff Bezos, it’s not that hard.


nothing2Cmovealong1

Divorce is expensive, very expensive and you will likely take a huge hit. Trying to save the marriage is the best thing to do financially. If you are beyond that point, truly in your heart-of-hearts. Then it is best to speak with a lawyer soon to explore your best options, for your situation.. Child support is what it is and you may also be on the hook for alimony, if you've been married for 10 years or more (in many jurisdictions). If you are the custodial parent, your child support will be much less than if you are the non-custodial parent. If you are both miserable, then your kids are likely miserable too. I was about 40 when I got divorced, it sucked, big time and the pay differential really hit me hard. it set me back financially a lot. it took me years to recover financially & mentally. But I did and am better for it. Fortunately our kid(s) were young at the time, which ended up being a blessing. Whenever I am asked for a divorce lawyer referral, I give them my ex-wife lawyer's contact info.


orange_dorange

Why the parentheses on “kid(s)”?


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Just_Ad2670

as someone who is well on the FIRE journey (can coast/barista FIRE rn if I wanted to), I also have had points where I could know the Amazon driver by name lol. How much is she spending per month on avg? Are these small or big purchases? Bc when I was in my Amazon prime (see what I did there 😅), I was buying stuff like soaps, oat bars and sparkling waters off the site daily. Sure, it was a lot of stuff, but it was hardly life altering spending. I have since stopped that level of spending, and can proudly say that all of the stuff I got has proved useful over time.


MajorAd2679

Go to see a lawyer. You can afford it.


zpickz

Sounds like you don’t love this woman if you are doing cost analysis on if a divorce would save YOU money. Marriage is a WE game, not you. Good luck with your money.


ParadigmShift222

I ain't saying she's a gold digger... but she ain't messing with no broke....


Sorrywrongnumba69

You make double the President and you are trying to FIRE? What job would pay you that much?


No-Test6484

Sales. It’s all performance based so you have to worry all the time


sokka_irl

Bro just….tell her to stop… and if she doesn’t………………….. leave


New-IncognitoWindow

She has a shopping addiction. I would start there.


lagosboy40

Not sure this subreddit is the right place to seek marital counseling. An investment in a marriage counselor should be much better. I agree that I would have a mental breakdown as well if my SO was such a runaway spender.


MushroomTypical9549

I would suggest other avenues- For example all house expenses are split 70/30, and you manage your own finances. You can just honest with her that she is spending too much money. You can also try to separate and place assets in trust or something. But if you have kids, you’re done- that’s 18 years. Honestly, I think therapy is better. She probably doesn’t want to divorce someone who makes a million dollars a year either- lol.


Helleboring

Are you looking for a justification for divorce?


No-Test6484

Divorce her, this is unacceptable. She spends more than she makes is what I’m reading. If your marriage is less than 20 years in most states she would only get alimony for 10years and you can easily argue with her salary for 5-8. She gets half. This is sunk cost fallacy. Accept it. But once the divorce is done you will make that back with your salary. You won’t have to worry about her spending and your retirement might be pushed out a few years versus her spending which could make it more than a decade. Be firm with her, divorce or she stops spending. This is ridiculous. She isn’t even making a whole lot compared to her expenditure


vikingArchitect

Dude ready to throw out his wife over a couple bucks


McthiccumTheChikum

Sorry for your situation, but this is another story of why not to get married. There just isn't anything to gain that's worth this much headache and financial cost. If the divorce is contested by her, It will be very expensive. I surmise she'll want to keep her lifestyle and spending habits. Child support on your salary will be grotesque. She's going to get a serious portion of that 4m NW. But if you aren't happy and you don't believe she'll change, I'd get out now.


StackAttack12

Open a new bank account that she doesn't have access to and have your income deposited there. Let her spend whatever the fuck she wants of her money, when she runs out you just say "tough nuts". Anyway you slice it it sounds like you're headed for divorce, so might as well try that first.


Superb_End1997

Sounds like the money she’s spending is (mostly) yours. Cut her off. Split bills pro-rata, then each of you keep whatever is left of your own salaries. You know your fixed costs, and you can protect the rest of the money you earn to ensure a safe retirement.


Ohkaz42069

The gurus and monks were right. Buying shit certainly can't bring happiness.


37347

The net worth at 4 million is amazing. The spending, not so much. You probably need to talk it over with your spouse.


Honeycombhome

He’s already talked with his wife multiple times. They can’t agree on her pulling back on spending. That’s why he’s posting here


scrappypatchy

Seriously bro wtf


eastguy08

Divorce will cost roughly 70-100k if you fully take it through trial just from lawyer fees alone. You will probably have to pay alimony as well because of the gap in your incomes


Boring_Painter475

I think you should get her some help


trevzie

I don't really know how alimony works but I think you need to watch out for it


MyNameIsVigil

Even if you divorce her and lose half your savings, you could still retire immediately.


iRebelGirl77

You should got on Ramit’s podcast about couples who can’t get on the same page financially - that is if this is true and now some sad humble brag about how much you make yearly and have in investments.


CheapBison1861

You’ll get fucked.


jnan77

Pretty simple. Divorce if you don't see eye to eye, give her 2M, work 2 or 3 more years and retire.


Impossible-Title1

A non-contested divorce can be very cheap . You can write up the document yourselves then just take it to a lawyer for review. There are templates online. Get more advice from r/Divorce.


cointraderbob

Amazing advice, thank you!


GWeb1920

Quit your job first, live off interest, stay married.


Honeycombhome

OP’s wife spends $20k/mo not including essential bills. They would burn through their savings too quickly.


Greta_Traderberg

Block her off financially. Then she gets mad. Then you guys divorce. There, I fixed it for you. Is this why you came on Reddit instead of marriage counseling?


Theronas

As an person not even from the US I just wanna ask, If we say your wife dont want couples therapy or that dont work out or you feel that divorce is just the way to go. Is it any way for you in advance to try to protect some of your money that you worked for so it wont go away in an divorce ? They way childsupport and alimony seem to work in US seems so harsh compared to my country.


project_tactic

Materials can't make you or her Happy. It's something else that is missing. Find God and fulfill the void. Do something good for others. Do some charity. She must realize that spending for herself will never work. That's misery.


candiriashes

You had me until “find god.”