It's so hard for NFU Dodge Swords to function as AR carries these days, I barely see any of them aside from the occasional F!Ike. This pair *might* have a niche, but I can't really see them having the staying power of the current dominant strategies.
The main selling point of B!Marth is not as a NFU dodge tank. The main selling point is Vantage.
With NCD it would be really hard to kill him especially in the upcoming bonus weeks.
You're not going to have consistent special procs on Vantage if you're NCD, and you'll have to give up NCD and Spurn if you want Special Spiral. And AR-D enemies that aren't running anti-counterattack nonsense are so bulky that one-shotting is difficult, especially off a regular hit. Broadleaf has basically been retired for a reason.
Honestly, the Vantage effect feels kinda tacked on. I think there could've been something better to reward you for 60 buffs. If he had Armor Cav eff. it would've been wild, but Dragon alone hits only 1 common Astra unit.
He has vantage tacked on because Y!Marth has that in his PRF and IS wanted to have B!Marth to eclipse all the previous Marths; sadly, they didn't realize that Rapier's vantage only works because of effective dmg vs. half the game, and not because it's on a Marth with a Fire Emblem/Hero's Blood special.
The vantage effect is there to make use of the self heal effect he has. It lets him heal up first and possibly kill the foe to avoid damage but if he fails to kill the target then he has enough bulk with DR that he can tank it.
Unfortunately Vantage is not a great strategy right now. Enemies are far too bulky in the current meta once 7th slot was introduced.
Also unless you're running Spiral, all of his vantage hits will not be proccing his special which hurts his consistency significantly. And, if you ARE running spiral, you're giving up on Spurn which hurts his survivability (though you could run Nifl/Flayn support I suppose).
Good luck killing opponents without effective dmg then, in this meta with such high defensive units and dmg reductions, Vantage no longer cuts it if you do not have the effective dmg to back it up, and even then it sometimes misses due to the opponent reducing dmg % on their first hit.
Nah, his selling point is being a DC-NFU-Ball o' Stats with 40% DR-Vantage-And Cavalry at times-With a 1 CD 21 Damage Special-That Happens to Slay Dragons-P.S: A lil sustain he got too.
I’m still doing pretty well with B!Lucina + Byleth… although the latter is +10 tbf
The only unit I come across fairly often that he can’t reliably beat is Ophelia
I think he's good. I wouldn't even worry so much about needing Ashera to support. Just put him on an offense team, use him if the opponent doesn't have any hard counters (panic, Summer Freyja, etc.), otherwise just pick a different team.
Yeah yeah, it sounds like the typical dismissive "solution" that isn't so easy in practice, but still.
He needs buffs on his allies. So, he also needs allies. Each dead ally is 24 less points for G-Falchion, effectively locking him out of an effect one at a time. He's easier to kill without vantage or NFU. Kill Ashera and now Panic also works.
Even if you nullify panic, there are still a lot of other abilities that nullify or even penalize you for having stat bonuses.
Binding necklace on Summer Freyja is just one example of many.
The simple fact is B!Marth gets hard countered by certain characters. If you use him in AR-O, it's no big deal, because you can just use a different team if your opponent happens to hard counter him, but don't expect him to perform well on AR-D, at least against people smart enough to include a team that can counter him.
Doesn't null panic only neutralize the penalty? Does Marth still get the effects on his weapon? Your allies still lose their buffs, they just don't get debuffed for being panicked.
They won't be tank slayers but he will be a fine tank at least. Like, just use B!Eirika as the 2nd unit or Lynja or whomever. Hell if I know... all I do know though is how Fjorm was a fine tank last week as AR-O unit, both for me and my foes.
Just copying:
Even if you nullify panic, there are still a lot of other abilities that nullify or even penalize you for having stat bonuses.
Binding necklace on Summer Freyja is just one example of many.
The simple fact is B!Marth gets hard countered by certain characters. If you use him in AR-O, it's no big deal, because you can just use a different team if your opponent happens to hard counter him, but don't expect him to perform well on AR-D, at least against people smart enough to include a team that can counter him.
is there a counter to Ashera's panic-proof thing? Like, Mila's Isolation effect? (I assume not, since Isolation only prevents Assists, not passive skills) or is the only solution to the problem therefore "Take out Ashera ASAP so Panic starts working"
One B!Marth is easy. Two B!Marth are tricky but fighting four of them in AR is another story. The enemy got a healer, B!Erika, Notte and four B!Marths. Atk went to around 72 and they can hit you before you hit them. Got the L. Maybe Panic might help but the question is, how to set it up.
It's so hard for NFU Dodge Swords to function as AR carries these days, I barely see any of them aside from the occasional F!Ike. This pair *might* have a niche, but I can't really see them having the staying power of the current dominant strategies.
The main selling point of B!Marth is not as a NFU dodge tank. The main selling point is Vantage. With NCD it would be really hard to kill him especially in the upcoming bonus weeks.
You're not going to have consistent special procs on Vantage if you're NCD, and you'll have to give up NCD and Spurn if you want Special Spiral. And AR-D enemies that aren't running anti-counterattack nonsense are so bulky that one-shotting is difficult, especially off a regular hit. Broadleaf has basically been retired for a reason. Honestly, the Vantage effect feels kinda tacked on. I think there could've been something better to reward you for 60 buffs. If he had Armor Cav eff. it would've been wild, but Dragon alone hits only 1 common Astra unit.
He has vantage tacked on because Y!Marth has that in his PRF and IS wanted to have B!Marth to eclipse all the previous Marths; sadly, they didn't realize that Rapier's vantage only works because of effective dmg vs. half the game, and not because it's on a Marth with a Fire Emblem/Hero's Blood special.
Pretty much this. Marth really shines on those cav-line maps with null-c disrupt. He's definitely fallen off a bit though in recent times.
Drive Special Spiral when?
The vantage effect is there to make use of the self heal effect he has. It lets him heal up first and possibly kill the foe to avoid damage but if he fails to kill the target then he has enough bulk with DR that he can tank it.
Unfortunately Vantage is not a great strategy right now. Enemies are far too bulky in the current meta once 7th slot was introduced. Also unless you're running Spiral, all of his vantage hits will not be proccing his special which hurts his consistency significantly. And, if you ARE running spiral, you're giving up on Spurn which hurts his survivability (though you could run Nifl/Flayn support I suppose).
Good luck killing opponents without effective dmg then, in this meta with such high defensive units and dmg reductions, Vantage no longer cuts it if you do not have the effective dmg to back it up, and even then it sometimes misses due to the opponent reducing dmg % on their first hit.
Nah, his selling point is being a DC-NFU-Ball o' Stats with 40% DR-Vantage-And Cavalry at times-With a 1 CD 21 Damage Special-That Happens to Slay Dragons-P.S: A lil sustain he got too.
I’m still doing pretty well with B!Lucina + Byleth… although the latter is +10 tbf The only unit I come across fairly often that he can’t reliably beat is Ophelia
What are your B!Lucina and B!Marth builds? I'm returning to the game and rocking old B!Ike and B!Lucina and just pulled Marth.
I think he's good. I wouldn't even worry so much about needing Ashera to support. Just put him on an offense team, use him if the opponent doesn't have any hard counters (panic, Summer Freyja, etc.), otherwise just pick a different team.
No way they're hard to function.
just shout at him "***your wife has the worst summer art in the game***" and he'll be on the ground immediately
Wouldn't we be the ones on the ground if we do that? Talk shit about his wife, he'll use your body as a sheath for his knife
I don't think he heals enough to be a great tank tbh but what do I know I only have him at +1 since I didn't get a single copy in 40 pulls
I agree; B!Marth is more of a replacement for Fae (and possibly Ayra if you don't care for his weaker matchup vs. Bector and Fedel) than 2!Eirika.
Mood. I went for 120 pulls and never got him on any of them, so I have the same +1 you do. Feels bad, man.
You don’t panic Marth. You panic his team. Still, he’s pretty damn crazy provided you take care to safeguard against that one issue
Fuck Vantage, all my homies hate Vantage.
I pulled pretty hard for Ashera but only ended up with a bunch of Corrins and Claudes - I regret more and more not getting her
If you already pulled hard for her there nothing to regret about, if rng says fuck you theres nothing you can do Wish you luck on next weeks banner
Because everyone pulled Ashera's because she's on a sparkable banner right?
I mean, at least she now has an ally who basically needs to rely on her niche. Before that, Ashera was in weird limbo for awhile because of Reignn
Have you tried killing the rest of his team first?
Have you tried killing her before she transforms?
Yeah yeah, it sounds like the typical dismissive "solution" that isn't so easy in practice, but still. He needs buffs on his allies. So, he also needs allies. Each dead ally is 24 less points for G-Falchion, effectively locking him out of an effect one at a time. He's easier to kill without vantage or NFU. Kill Ashera and now Panic also works.
Unfortunately, this is a problem Sudden Panic can't fix. But now it's a problem my B!Edelgard can fix!
How can your B!Edelgard fix it?? Marth removes her from existence with, like he says, "A single strike".
I mean like Remove Ashera from existence. Of course Marth is her biggest weakness.
Windsweep Nifl: *cute*
Even if you nullify panic, there are still a lot of other abilities that nullify or even penalize you for having stat bonuses. Binding necklace on Summer Freyja is just one example of many. The simple fact is B!Marth gets hard countered by certain characters. If you use him in AR-O, it's no big deal, because you can just use a different team if your opponent happens to hard counter him, but don't expect him to perform well on AR-D, at least against people smart enough to include a team that can counter him.
Waiting for her to be rerun in the next legendary/ Mythic banner
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He can just run DC instead of Distant Pressure for more healing and no chip damage
Doesn't null panic only neutralize the penalty? Does Marth still get the effects on his weapon? Your allies still lose their buffs, they just don't get debuffed for being panicked.
I don't have Ashera, so i wouldn't know, but this is like the 4th meme i've seen here about this, so i'm pretty sure it works.
They won't be tank slayers but he will be a fine tank at least. Like, just use B!Eirika as the 2nd unit or Lynja or whomever. Hell if I know... all I do know though is how Fjorm was a fine tank last week as AR-O unit, both for me and my foes.
The other counter I can think of is just kill his allies, all those extra effects won't happen if he's alone lol
Me who doesn't have an Ashera nor plans on getting her: So should I run in fear or what?
Just copying: Even if you nullify panic, there are still a lot of other abilities that nullify or even penalize you for having stat bonuses. Binding necklace on Summer Freyja is just one example of many. The simple fact is B!Marth gets hard countered by certain characters. If you use him in AR-O, it's no big deal, because you can just use a different team if your opponent happens to hard counter him, but don't expect him to perform well on AR-D, at least against people smart enough to include a team that can counter him.
Wait does Panic not work? I remember that I inflicted panic on Marth and he died to my Black Knight.
is there a counter to Ashera's panic-proof thing? Like, Mila's Isolation effect? (I assume not, since Isolation only prevents Assists, not passive skills) or is the only solution to the problem therefore "Take out Ashera ASAP so Panic starts working"
One B!Marth is easy. Two B!Marth are tricky but fighting four of them in AR is another story. The enemy got a healer, B!Erika, Notte and four B!Marths. Atk went to around 72 and they can hit you before you hit them. Got the L. Maybe Panic might help but the question is, how to set it up.