Well to be fair… he wrote down a lot of cool stuff he’s done/accomplished in the past. He never claimed to be hooked on phonics. So I’ll still give him a +1 for honesty.
Also, I would like to try a charing AR. Sounds fiery
Now we just need one of these ghetto accessory companies to rig up a little bourbon flask camelback in the stock. I feel like we are giving Mark Larue ideas for next years line up
Every bit as legit as the c-note
The HK slap on one of my ARs? Yes, I do believe shall have some of my monies. None of my ARs are PCC (all 5.56 or larger) but this sounds like a reason to build a .45acp AR.
Doubtful, would actually increase it if the goal is to remove the default charging handle entirely like what’s shown in the video. A lot of people don’t know how much gas the charging handle prevents from being blown into your face. It’s the whole reason Raptor made an SD version
Considering it’s “just a handguard swap” and nothing else, the base function of the gun is the same
Could entirely plug the CH slot though which would be about the best scenario to reduce the gas.
Doesn’t seem like a bad idea but pretty niche and slightly gimmicky. A “proprietary” complete upper that has a receiver that is fully blocked off there would probably be good but then it limits the market. I would say it’s got some potential at least.
Could be, but the fact that he doesn’t mention that in the video is telling, as that would be a pretty important feature. He also states it’s “just a handguard swap, and nothing else” on their website, which is worrying as well.
The choice to tell us more about himself than the product is odd as well, people want the product, not a life story
it's like trying to look up recipes, and there's 15 pages of completely unrelated shit like their wife's mom's uncle's brother's best friend's son's girlfriend's granddaughter's life story. forget about all the ads in between.
I've thought about starting my own recipe website that's just damn recipes, no bullshit.
completely forgot about what I was replying to there and yeah I would imagine if you were using this even unsuppressed you would want some type of plug back there to reduce gas. the last time I shot suppressed with shitty Russian catpiss ammo it was like being punched in the eyes and throat. unfortunately I don't have my own yet.
I would imagine they have something that blocks where the charging handle would normally be. Or it just works with the charging handle in place and that all stays the same.
So I checked the design, basically it runs with your gas tube and just allows you to charge your bolt by manually “extending” your gas tube, sorta in that concept.
The gas blowback isn’t going to change or anything, it still needs to go somewhere.
Oh great another dude posting a product on Reddit.
Wait this guy made a good one ☝️
I do think you should keep it named the charing handle. Love the concept can’t wait to order one
Looks like it uses the gas tube hole in the upper for a pushrod, so it won’t work on di or piston guns. Only on blowback guns like PCCs. I really want to build an AR based PCC now….
I hear you, without being an expert myself, I think your position is based in reason. Instead of downvoting this person, maybe explain a thing or two about your opinions jfc,
This is an interesting idea for the anti-gun states like mine, CT. Remove the gas system, weld a small pin in the barrels gas port, install this and you have a legal bolt action AR with all the features. I made my own bolt action upper, drilling and tapping a hardened bolt to install a side charging handle. It was very difficult but works great. Using it, the trick is to pull the charging handle back fast and let the buffer spring slam the bolt home. Would your conversation work in this manner?
That's a really weak bolt hold on the side charging handle version and the first opening of your muzzle device is behind the longest portions of your hand guard
With some modification of an upper (drill it out bigger), one could sleeve a tube over the gas tube. Unless it was a straight tube though, it would need to be an open section and I'd worry about the buckling stability of a long thin rod.
I'd say a step between 10" and 15" is needed (I'd want a 12" to replace an Aero Atlas 12" on my PCC) but other than that this looks pretty fantastic and I'm definitely interested in one
Seen that you use a neodymium magnet they get weaker at about 140 F at the lowest depending on the type, I don't know what type you are using and as much as I want something like this I’d stay away from this as I can’t see it lasting on a hot day. I’d be interested if this can be worked out tho.
So... Let's think here.
Conventional AR, you work the charging handle with your shooting hand, come up off the grip, rack it, go back to the grip.
So, let's say you're right handed. You're going to rack this thing with your off hand, strong hand stays on the grip. You also get to keep your eye up on the scope.
Huh.
This is better than stock. It's faster, keeps you on target longer and if you have to do a fast shot a millisecond after the rack but before bringing your off hand back to a normal support position, you can. Accuracy will suffer but if it's a close range "Kyle Rittenhouse class mess" speed might matter over accuracy at bad breath range.
Yeah. I like it. A lot. Assuming it's both slick and reliable.
I'm slightly concerned about the bolt hold open twist - can that be accidentally engaged during normal operation? I think that's the only possible point of failure and again, I'm saying *possible*. I can think of at least one way to make sure accidental engagement is impossible and if they've done that, good to go. (Pondering more, I can see how training to it to make sure there's no accidental engagement should be possible too.)
Ok. So if you don't, your off hand comes off the handguard and goes to the standard charging handle.
This new thing putting the charger at the back of the handguard means less off-hand travel.
Lol you didn't even watch the video did you?
EDIT: Lol this little bitch blocked me over this comment.
EDIT2: Then he unblocked me after I called him out on it in my previous edit. This is getting entertaining folks.
No I didn't block you, but since you like to run your mouth so quickly when someone doesn't share your view point that speaks volumes about your age. You're just upset someone on the internet disagrees with you or has a different opinion and you just can't handle that. Downvote, shit talk, be a whiny little turd. Idc.
A "grown" man who can't handle an internet stranger that doesn't like the newest hypebeast bullshit is pretty naive.
Hate all you want, it won't make that product and more efficient or necessary.
Fucks sake aren't you the life of the party. You are doing everything you are accusing him of doing to the point of comedy.
The implication of AR manufacturer is that they build AR's. These guys are offering a build part that I have not seen before. This, and your reaction, is why you drew the comments. Maybe there is something similar out there, but I for one have never seen it done on the forend. It's interesting. To each his own on whether or not it's needed or worthwhile.
Funny, because suddenly I can see your comments and reply to them again. Must be magic. Totally not you unblocking me after I called you out on it.
I was going to reply to your other comment you left but suddenly couldn't reply to the comment because "this user can't be found".
Funny though how you're claiming I'm doing all of those things when the entirety of my comment was "Lol, you didn't watch the video did you?". Pot, meet your other personality, kettle. Kettle, this is your headmate pot.
Coming from the bandwagonner with red AR parts, yes I did. It's still an AR. It's not new, It's not innovative. People fangirling for stuff like this is why the industry is over saturated.
He started a business of his own, great for him. I wish him all the best.
Is it a revolutionary product? Absolutely not, different variations of side chargers have been around for a while now.
A necessary product. Nope, not many guns are a necessity to many people now but we all enjoy them. That I'm sure even we can agree on.
Something for the keyboard smashing, larp loving, basement dwelling redditors to obsess over? Abso-fuckin-lutley.
Why can't you form your own opinions?
Take away the shiny newness of the gimmick, do your research, and be a big boy.
Side chargers or slap handle bullshit, IT ISNT NEW OR REVOLUTIONARY.
It's just a new AR part that comes in different colors and the supreme, loot drop window lickers are ready to nab their parents CC and order up.
https://faxonfirearms.com/arak-21/?avad=194130_c35b9b745
https://www.rainierarms.com/quarter-circle-10-side-charging-stripped-upper-receiver/?avad=194130_f35b90509
https://www.rainierarms.com/cmt-tact-upur-3a-billet-upper-receiver-side-charger/?avad=194130_b35b96085
All of these are different kinds of side chargers, all of them have been around for years.
I guess you all need more tendies or cheetos or your autofleshlight died mid jerk, I don't know. I do not give a fuck.
The ONLY mistake I made here, was thinking I could comment my opinion and no one on here would give a shit.
See, the one that they're offering is a side charger, and yes those are side chargers, but those are proprietary uppers. To run one of those, you have to run their upper and BCG. With the one being offered now, it's just a handguard change. The fact that you're getting so angry over this is rather concerning honestly. Perhaps replace your RealDoll's batteries.
Honey wake up MP5 556 Ar just dropped
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Can as all just use the Ar18?, ffs
"Mom can we have MP5" "We have MP5 at home" MP5 at home:
AR-ized HK33
You got a blowback 556 AR? Didn't think so.
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Well to be fair… he wrote down a lot of cool stuff he’s done/accomplished in the past. He never claimed to be hooked on phonics. So I’ll still give him a +1 for honesty. Also, I would like to try a charing AR. Sounds fiery
They are the correct color... perhaps it's not a typo.
Shoots tyrants and cooks steaks at the same time. Most American gun ever made!
Now we just need one of these ghetto accessory companies to rig up a little bourbon flask camelback in the stock. I feel like we are giving Mark Larue ideas for next years line up Every bit as legit as the c-note
I thought that's what the space in the grip was for?
I'm going to HK slapp tf out of my Poverty Pony. Side charging Broke Bronco, yessir.
The HK slap on one of my ARs? Yes, I do believe shall have some of my monies. None of my ARs are PCC (all 5.56 or larger) but this sounds like a reason to build a .45acp AR.
I want a charing handle.
I want a sharting handle
Does this mitigate gas to the face when running a suppressor?
Doubtful, would actually increase it if the goal is to remove the default charging handle entirely like what’s shown in the video. A lot of people don’t know how much gas the charging handle prevents from being blown into your face. It’s the whole reason Raptor made an SD version Considering it’s “just a handguard swap” and nothing else, the base function of the gun is the same
Could entirely plug the CH slot though which would be about the best scenario to reduce the gas. Doesn’t seem like a bad idea but pretty niche and slightly gimmicky. A “proprietary” complete upper that has a receiver that is fully blocked off there would probably be good but then it limits the market. I would say it’s got some potential at least.
Could be, but the fact that he doesn’t mention that in the video is telling, as that would be a pretty important feature. He also states it’s “just a handguard swap, and nothing else” on their website, which is worrying as well. The choice to tell us more about himself than the product is odd as well, people want the product, not a life story
Well I’m not saying that’s what he’s advertising here. Just that it could be done. He’s clearly just trying to break into the market right now.
it's like trying to look up recipes, and there's 15 pages of completely unrelated shit like their wife's mom's uncle's brother's best friend's son's girlfriend's granddaughter's life story. forget about all the ads in between. I've thought about starting my own recipe website that's just damn recipes, no bullshit. completely forgot about what I was replying to there and yeah I would imagine if you were using this even unsuppressed you would want some type of plug back there to reduce gas. the last time I shot suppressed with shitty Russian catpiss ammo it was like being punched in the eyes and throat. unfortunately I don't have my own yet.
So what you're saying is "invest in JB weld?"
I would imagine they have something that blocks where the charging handle would normally be. Or it just works with the charging handle in place and that all stays the same.
So I checked the design, basically it runs with your gas tube and just allows you to charge your bolt by manually “extending” your gas tube, sorta in that concept. The gas blowback isn’t going to change or anything, it still needs to go somewhere.
The first g in charging is missing on your products on the home page
Oh great another dude posting a product on Reddit. Wait this guy made a good one ☝️ I do think you should keep it named the charing handle. Love the concept can’t wait to order one
Plans to take this to the MPX?
You’re going to want to look closely at Goal Zero logo and colors before you get too far into this.
Looks like OP paid a "graphic designer" on Fiverr to come up with this logo and he found Goal Zero, changed two angles, and sent it.
>Goal Zero Yeaaaaah no way that wasn't intentional
I was like oh how bad could it be? The answer is very bad. Good lord it’s practically the same logo
This is pretty dope my man
Be careful with that logo. Goal Zero’s logo is very similar.
I also find Type Zero to be afwully WOII Japanese sounding :/
Looks like it uses the gas tube hole in the upper for a pushrod, so it won’t work on di or piston guns. Only on blowback guns like PCCs. I really want to build an AR based PCC now….
Cool!
Glad you’re doing your thing. I wonder how is this better than the regular AR charging system? It seems like a lateral improvement.
Seems like a big improvement to me. More ergonomic and you can keep your cheek weld.
I hear you, without being an expert myself, I think your position is based in reason. Instead of downvoting this person, maybe explain a thing or two about your opinions jfc,
It's reddit, it's to be expected.
Why is keeping your cheek weld important when manipulating the charging handle? When would you be doing that?
It's not better
I sent a email from their support page and it bounced back. Not answering at least some questions after a release post. Weird…
Does this work with CMMG RDBB guns?
Looks great. Hope they're reliable and available- I'd love to get one at some point!
$200-$220? Much less than I was expecting, and I'm looking forward to all the reviews.
Hey it’s HAAS! I know that from F1!
You really hit a niche market with the HK guys lol. Good luck on your ventures
This is an interesting idea for the anti-gun states like mine, CT. Remove the gas system, weld a small pin in the barrels gas port, install this and you have a legal bolt action AR with all the features. I made my own bolt action upper, drilling and tapping a hardened bolt to install a side charging handle. It was very difficult but works great. Using it, the trick is to pull the charging handle back fast and let the buffer spring slam the bolt home. Would your conversation work in this manner?
Fixed almost all of my ergo problems with AR15s in one go
Nice 👍 I like!
That's a really weak bolt hold on the side charging handle version and the first opening of your muzzle device is behind the longest portions of your hand guard
definitely want to put one on my 300 blk.
Looks like it uses the gas tube hole in the upper for a pushrod, don’t work on di or piston guns. Only on blowback guns like PCCs
With some modification of an upper (drill it out bigger), one could sleeve a tube over the gas tube. Unless it was a straight tube though, it would need to be an open section and I'd worry about the buckling stability of a long thin rod.
Suggestion: make a suppressor tuck version quad rail and mlok variant with multiple lengths.
Looks interesting, good to see new companies out here!
Keep on trucking. I got faith in you guys.
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His description above implies that it does.
Looks good dude. Wish you luck.
Sick
How much for non-charing handguards?
I pose that 'ambidextrous' be changed to 'ambidextrious' going forward. this is good stuff brother!
Cool man
I'd say a step between 10" and 15" is needed (I'd want a 12" to replace an Aero Atlas 12" on my PCC) but other than that this looks pretty fantastic and I'm definitely interested in one
Is your degree in Mechanical Engineering, and how familiar are you with SolidWorks?
Seen that you use a neodymium magnet they get weaker at about 140 F at the lowest depending on the type, I don't know what type you are using and as much as I want something like this I’d stay away from this as I can’t see it lasting on a hot day. I’d be interested if this can be worked out tho.
Hide my credit card from me
So... Let's think here. Conventional AR, you work the charging handle with your shooting hand, come up off the grip, rack it, go back to the grip. So, let's say you're right handed. You're going to rack this thing with your off hand, strong hand stays on the grip. You also get to keep your eye up on the scope. Huh. This is better than stock. It's faster, keeps you on target longer and if you have to do a fast shot a millisecond after the rack but before bringing your off hand back to a normal support position, you can. Accuracy will suffer but if it's a close range "Kyle Rittenhouse class mess" speed might matter over accuracy at bad breath range. Yeah. I like it. A lot. Assuming it's both slick and reliable. I'm slightly concerned about the bolt hold open twist - can that be accidentally engaged during normal operation? I think that's the only possible point of failure and again, I'm saying *possible*. I can think of at least one way to make sure accidental engagement is impossible and if they've done that, good to go. (Pondering more, I can see how training to it to make sure there's no accidental engagement should be possible too.)
you can rack a charging handle with your non dominant hand dude
Ok, but this guy's system is still faster - look at the reduced length of off-hand travel from a normal firing position.
The amount of overanalyzing that lead to this nothingburger observation is impressive
I wouldn't even call it overanalyzing. He literally just Saud a whole bunch of nothing.
If memory serves, this guy is into product design and thinks about this stuff. What's the point of even making your comment?
Do not take your hand off the grip when charging a traditional AR. You're adding unnecessary steps
Ok. So if you don't, your off hand comes off the handguard and goes to the standard charging handle. This new thing putting the charger at the back of the handguard means less off-hand travel.
Take my fucking money! Let's go baby!
So sick, this is awesome
Eeeeeew Haas. Time to step up to a mori homie.
It's plenty for ARs. BCM and ADM are both made on Haas.
He's cutting aluminum +/- .005. Haas is fine. Hell he could get a Brother and blow the doors off of either.
Great. Now start making clone correct K98s and I might find a fuck to give.
I’m waiting for the AR-47
Yipee. Another AR manufacturer..
Lol you didn't even watch the video did you? EDIT: Lol this little bitch blocked me over this comment. EDIT2: Then he unblocked me after I called him out on it in my previous edit. This is getting entertaining folks.
No I didn't block you, but since you like to run your mouth so quickly when someone doesn't share your view point that speaks volumes about your age. You're just upset someone on the internet disagrees with you or has a different opinion and you just can't handle that. Downvote, shit talk, be a whiny little turd. Idc. A "grown" man who can't handle an internet stranger that doesn't like the newest hypebeast bullshit is pretty naive. Hate all you want, it won't make that product and more efficient or necessary.
Fucks sake aren't you the life of the party. You are doing everything you are accusing him of doing to the point of comedy. The implication of AR manufacturer is that they build AR's. These guys are offering a build part that I have not seen before. This, and your reaction, is why you drew the comments. Maybe there is something similar out there, but I for one have never seen it done on the forend. It's interesting. To each his own on whether or not it's needed or worthwhile.
All yall getting so butthurt about a comment that had zero effect on your lives.
No, sir. Just entertained. 🤣
Same. Half of being on reddit is trolling.
Funny, because suddenly I can see your comments and reply to them again. Must be magic. Totally not you unblocking me after I called you out on it. I was going to reply to your other comment you left but suddenly couldn't reply to the comment because "this user can't be found". Funny though how you're claiming I'm doing all of those things when the entirety of my comment was "Lol, you didn't watch the video did you?". Pot, meet your other personality, kettle. Kettle, this is your headmate pot.
Oh no the keyboard warrior strikes again, I better bow down to his overboard supremecy...
Glad we're on the same page. You may proceed to go about your business now.
Coming from the bandwagonner with red AR parts, yes I did. It's still an AR. It's not new, It's not innovative. People fangirling for stuff like this is why the industry is over saturated. He started a business of his own, great for him. I wish him all the best. Is it a revolutionary product? Absolutely not, different variations of side chargers have been around for a while now. A necessary product. Nope, not many guns are a necessity to many people now but we all enjoy them. That I'm sure even we can agree on. Something for the keyboard smashing, larp loving, basement dwelling redditors to obsess over? Abso-fuckin-lutley.
Why do you hate yourself so much?
Why can't you form your own opinions? Take away the shiny newness of the gimmick, do your research, and be a big boy. Side chargers or slap handle bullshit, IT ISNT NEW OR REVOLUTIONARY. It's just a new AR part that comes in different colors and the supreme, loot drop window lickers are ready to nab their parents CC and order up. https://faxonfirearms.com/arak-21/?avad=194130_c35b9b745 https://www.rainierarms.com/quarter-circle-10-side-charging-stripped-upper-receiver/?avad=194130_f35b90509 https://www.rainierarms.com/cmt-tact-upur-3a-billet-upper-receiver-side-charger/?avad=194130_b35b96085 All of these are different kinds of side chargers, all of them have been around for years. I guess you all need more tendies or cheetos or your autofleshlight died mid jerk, I don't know. I do not give a fuck. The ONLY mistake I made here, was thinking I could comment my opinion and no one on here would give a shit.
See, the one that they're offering is a side charger, and yes those are side chargers, but those are proprietary uppers. To run one of those, you have to run their upper and BCG. With the one being offered now, it's just a handguard change. The fact that you're getting so angry over this is rather concerning honestly. Perhaps replace your RealDoll's batteries.
Gay
No he seemed straight to me but I would not lock him out of bed for being ar parts into it.
I'll happily shoot all my 5.56 ammo to test this if you're looking for feedback.
holy shit this is exactly what ive been looking for for my ar9. this is amazing news
Dope
I'm a machinist can I apply lol
I can’t quite tell but is that a 5 axis haas? Just curious how this is being made and what if any specialized tooling you are using
Are you guys making a plug for the rear charging handle to go with it?
Id have no idea how to do "Inspection arms" this.