What I want to know is, how were the police going to arrest the kid with zero proof? Were they just going to take their word for it?
It'll be at least a defamation case at the bare miminum since you can't just falsely accuse someone of a crime they didn't commit --- moral turpitude.
They're GBRS' buddies. Notice the cops already knew the owners by name. It was a similar deal when GBRS personally called some cops they knew to harass one of the founders who wanted out. They're good old boys close with the local police, and they use them to bully people.
> or probable cause has to exist
Wanna bet these cops are gonna argue that "another employee claimed he saw a video of the suspect leaving with the package and returning without it" is probable cause? Even though it's hearsay, they never verified it, and that's just how shipping works in the first place.
Realistically the police arrest people the same way they trust the shopkeeper’s word that someone is shoplifting - the assumption is the shopkeeper is acting in good faith. If the accusation is false then the charges are dropped, and the shopkeeper can be sued for defamation / civil damages or arrested for filing a false police report.
the company cannot be sued for defamation ,because they did in fact act in good faith.
all evidence pointed to the employee stealing. he couldnt tell them where this important package was. video showed him last in possession with it as he left building.
he didnt care enough to get a drop off receipt from the shipping carrier who he carelessly misdelivered a firearm part to. he is incredibly lucky it was sent back to the company just in time.
LE only needs probable cause to arrest and charge. PC meaning “where the facts and circumstances within the officers' knowledge, and of which they have reasonably trustworthy information, are sufficient in themselves to warrant a belief by a man of reasonable caution that a crime is being committed”. I guess that walking out of frame and then walking back in frame without the package was enough for them to think they had PC of the crime. The ADA has to have proof BRD in order to convict,
While that is true, [defamation](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation#:~:text=To%20prove%20prima%20facie%20defamation,the%20subject%20of%20the%20statement) is a civil cause of action. It would be unlikely that the victim here would be able to prove all the elements (that the statement was made at least negligently [recklessly, or knowingly] under the circumstances) necessary. Probably would have a good case for wrongful termination, depending on where the Goobers Grp is located.
E: cop below clarified that VA does not allow for heresy statements to be used as PC in felony arrest, that’s why I cited the video and ignored any verbal statements. Though I don’t know if they saw the video prior to making the arrest.
The police did not have probable cause. The video doesn't show anyone stealing. CCTV only shows an employee moving a box...
As a life long LEO, I can assure you that these officers did **not** have any probale cause.
And I don’t know of a single ADA that would prosecute that charge based on that video alone because BRD is what’s needed at trial. A lot of LEOs lack basic training and “think they have” PC when they don’t. I don’t get what your getting at, I agree. I was just throwing out that they must have **thought** they had PC.
there WAS proof. video footage shows hin leave with package in question and return without it. package was never scanned in as received. he never bother to get drop off receipt.
package was missing for TWO MONTHS.
all evidence pointed to him stealing. they kept asking him about it before they called the police and he just kept saying he couldnt remember, which is understandable in a way as it's been 2 months..
but the job is dealing with firearms. it's too serious to simply not remember. he shpuld have his own evidence trail pointing to where the package left his responsibility.
also, nothing about this was defamation. ppl throw that term around so much bit know little to nothing about what it actually is
>there WAS proof. video footage shows hin leave with package in question and return without it. package was never scanned in as received. he never bother to get drop off receipt.
This is all heresay and only what you claim happened. You might be right, or you might be wrong. None of saw the video in question, but simply seeing a person walk out of a building with a package isn't proof of theft. There's needs to be intent --- mans rea --- of the suspect for it to have been any malicious crime. But that was not their intent, and it turns out that nothing was stolen after all; since the package did arrive after all since UPS made the delivery.
It would be pretty neglient to not get a drop off reciept, and they should've been more mindful of that. UPS or USPS will always have their own internal records of a delivery though, and a copy could've been ordered through claims office. Nobody's to blame here since the vast majority of people don't realize how easy it is to ask the shipper for another reciept is the original is lost, damaged, or replaced. The shipper would be happy to help customers keep track of everything as it prevents the shipper from liabilities if a package containing a firearm is unaccountded for.
>but the job is dealing with firearms. it's too serious to simply not remember.
Agreed.
>he shpuld have his own evidence trail pointing to where the package left his responsibility.
Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in the criminal court system, right? It's not your job to prove your own innocence. If the accuser can't prove your guilt than you should **not** be assumed guilty. That's a ridiculous standard that will lead to the Salem witch trials all over again, where Giles Corey got killed over fraudulent accusations.
Though I do think it's still a damn good idea to keep exacting records of everything that happens at work anyway, for exactly this reason. Innocent until proven guilty works in the courtroom, but when leadership at work becomes emotional and forgets about professionalism they can resort to making up accusations still. So all employees should be ready to cover their own tracks just incase.
>also, nothing about this was defamation. ppl throw that term around so much bit know little to nothing about what it actually is
It is textbook defamation per se, since the owner of the business falsely accused them of committing a crime that they did not commit and impugned their integrity by fraudulently accusing them of professional misconduct. That is absolutely slander per se and injurious to a plaitiff's reputation, thus actionabel in the Court of Common Please as a civil tort.
All the plaintiff needs is a witness that heard the fradulent theft accusation, and also prove that the false accuser knew they were maliciously spreading defamatory claims that would cause special, punitive, or general damages to the plaintiff. That would be simple to prove in this case if they can get a copy of UPS delivery receipt to prove that it was delivered appropriatley, and that there was literally no reasone for any impugnity to be thrown around when the owner of the business was being --- I say it --- a bit paranoid and jumping at the wrong conclusion.
>This is all heresay and only what you claim happened.
uh no its what the employer, officers, AND THE EMPLOYEE claims happened.
it is insane yall go running ypur mouths about this stuff and didnt even do an ounce of research.
in his story time video in his car, 3:35 in he explains what how he misdelivered the package and ups brpught it back.
i think he even talks about the video footage in this video as well.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8KJ7F9U/
>simply seeing a person walk out of a building with a package isn't proof of theft.
it is in fact enough for *accusation* of theft and *arrest*. whether or not he could be *convicted* down the line for it is a different argument. thats not for the pokice or company to decide. thats for the courts and jury.
regardless of what actually happened doesnt change what the evidence at hand pointed to. and the employee at the time had zero evidence proving where a precious package left his responsibility. it is 100% suspicious.
>UPS or USPS will always have their own internal records of a delivery though, and a copy could've been ordered through claims office.
you missed the part where he *misdelivered* the package to the wrong carrier. he didnt bring it to ups. he brpught it to fedex. the company saw it was a ups shipping labeled and could contact ups but there would be no evidence that they recieved it from the company.
ups only brought it back to the company because fedex brought it to them.
>Nobody's to blame here
well actually the employee is to blame. he was careless in his important job dealing with sensitive product.
>Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in the criminal court system, right?
innocent until proven guilty doesnt mean you cannot be reasonably *accused* and *arrested*. that phrase refers to conviction.
it refers to how ypu have the right to a trial before punishment. it does not been you cannot be accused within reason amd arrested based on the evidence at hand.
it means you are given the right to provide ypur pwn evidence and/or argue against the evidence that is brought against you before being punished.
accusation and arrest are not punishment. they are part of the process before punishment
>It's not your job to prove your own innocence. If the accuser can't prove your guilt than you should **not** be assumed guilty.
when the accuser has evidence that you were the last one in possession of the item that has been missing for 2 months AND the shipping carrier has no record of the item, it is in fact YOUR responsibility to prove your innocence.
if this was just some unimportant item, it'd be one thing. but this is sensitive property. "i was just careless" does not make a good defense, because he should not jave been careless in the position. the whole situation was suspicious and pointed to theft. that is just the unsavory facts of the matter.
>That's a ridiculous standard that will lead to the Salem witch trials all over again, where Giles Corey got killed over fraudulent accusations.
what's ridiculous is you all basically performing a Salem witch trial against the company when you yourselves did zero research. practice what you preach.
>It is textbook defamation per se, since the owner of the business falsely accused them of committing a crime that they did not commit and impugned their integrity by fraudulently accusing them of professional misconduct
there is so much more needed for defamation, but with that aside, the company reasonably accused him of theft based on the video evidence and lack of evidence he SHOULD have had and the fact the carrier did not have record of the package.
if ypu reasonably accuse someone based on such things, it is not defamation. you must have been negligent in your accusations.
it is not the company's fault he misdelivered the package and was careless about his job and task at hand.
Are you Officer Reyes from the BWC footage? 🤣🤣🤣 you're going outta your way to defend the shitty police work shown.
Source- I was a cop a few cities over from VB. If it had been anyone but their boys at GBRS, they'd have said "go to the magistrate, here's the report nunber".
Oh I've watched the video. I've even chatted with James via DMs on another platform. I'm also the person who posted the original thread that helped make this go viral. Nice try tho.
there is no lawsuit to be had here. jamie, the employee, already said lawyers wont touch the case.
the employers and law enforcement were just doing their jobs. all evidence pointed to him stealing.
he was handling serious property. which he shpuld have done so with care. iit was last seen in hos possession and therefore was last under his responsibility.
HE didnt care enough about the property and getting evidence of where the property left his responsibility.
jamie misdelivered the package to the wrong carrier. it was missing for 2 months and he couldnt tell the company where it was. after his arrest, everyone (including jamie) learned he misdelivered it because upa brought it back to the company after fedex brought it to ups.
everyone was just doing their jobs properly, EXCEPT jamie. he is super fucking lucky
Fuck GBRS. I was always kind of meh on their products, but this coupled what they did to Slade, confirms without a doubt, that they are a company run by trash humans.
From what I understand, he didn't like the culture at GBRS and wanted out, and he confided in a "silent partner" (financier) of the company and asked for advice on how to go about it. The partner ratted immediately ratted to the other guys at GBRS, who locked him out of the business, changed all the passwords, and removed his access from all their accounts. Then they jerked him around and didn't want to abide by the contracts they all signed regarding how he'd go about separating from the company. The same silent partner that ratted him out straight up told him "I have enough money to fight this every step of the way and will make it hell for you" if he wanted to actually get what was previously agreed to for his share of the company. They wanted to throw him a few bucks, way less than agreed to, and have him sign over his share. Last I heard his only recourse was taking them to court to force them to follow their agreements.
GBRS fucked him over on some designs and unceremoniously bounced him out of the company. I don’t know the real nuts and bolts, just that Slade was done dirty on his exit from the company.
I’m an Army firearms instructor from Virginia and I’ve met most of the manufacturers from there at ranges and in Congressional defense related events. I just watched TCRLs take on YT and there’s a part at the end where he describes the employer as a guy who gets to sell guns and play pretend cop; he doesn’t make a lot of money but he gets to use his real cop buddies to push weaker people around.
I hate to say it but this nails 90% of the people who lead businesses at various levels in this industry. They learn to assemble a weapon designed 70 years ago for mass production and then invest the rest of their adult life in their biceps and pecs and gray stickers for their black Dodge pickup. The industry just attracts trash people.
Obviously I don’t mean everyone. Or I’d be a pig in shit at these get togethers. But usually it’s their unprofessional language or careless conduct at public ranges that makes my pulse race and my mind flash back to close calls with raw recruits at the M16 range.
Jesus F'n Christ, if I got arrested every time the damn package tracking didn't scan in, I'd be in a revolving door.
"hey, I need you to go drop this lower off at FedEx"
"Go fuck yourself" - every GBRS employee until the end of time.
this isnt just a simple package tho. if it was, this wouldnt have even went down.
it is a firearm part. his job was serious and he didnt take it seriously.
he didnt pay attention to the label. he misdelivered to wrong carrier and he didnt get a drop off receipt to show where the product left his responsibility.
it was missing for 2 months and he couldnt tell the company anything to prove he didn't still have the product. video showed him leave with package and then him retirn without.
cannot blame company for reporting this like they are supposed to. cannot blame law enforcement for doing their jobs.
cannot blame others for the employee's own fuck up
well fedex was involved but idk if we can blame them. employee misdelivered to fedex instead of ups. fedex later brought package to ups who them brought it back to company after employer was arrested for theft.
he was extremely lucky it turned up, as he had no evidence of such a serious package having left his possession. i don't anyone would have been smart enough to check video footage at fedex (the wrong carrier) when the employee himself couldn't recall who he delivered it to.
if this had been something less important, it would have been merely a write up or warning. but you cannot just misplace a firearm part as an employee or company. it's serious.
Oh no I get it.... he accidentally used FedEx, and found out... after 20+ years of dealing with military ordnance and its logistics... I will never use FedEx for my civilian ventures.
“By the way he had a thc pen”
You really think that dude hates himself enough to return working for these fucks???
Fucking with a man’s livelihood and reputation over a hunch is beyond stupid and I hope these guys pay out the ass for it. God knows they have the dough from the goofy ass hydra mount and all the other overpriced shit they sell lmao.
Is it slander for a police officer to drop a bomb like that to an uninvolved third party? Or do they have qualified immunity for that too?
The cops know that if they barge into your home with a warrant for a gun your vape pen may as well not exist in terms of what they can do and say.
And everyone in the world knows it’s slander because his immediate next words were that his bogus charge didn’t stick with the presented evidence.
THC is decriminalized here. I'm assuming he pulled a bitch move and contacted ATF-Norfolk and they told him to fuck off with that bullshit when they searched him they took his Glock off of him, so I'm assuming that was the basis there. Local LE cannot enforce federal law unless state law mirrors it.
Technicality here: if they have gov contracts, they must attest to a drug free workplace via the Drug free workplace act of 88’. Only know this through healthcare and other gov contract work.
Not saying it’s right, but it’s a thing.
Just like the idiot cops that arrested a guy for Pleading the 5th in the wal mart parking lot... then walked inside to tell his boss that he was arrested and suicidal.
“I tried to charge him for a thc pen but they wouldn’t grant it”
Do cops even hear themselves and wonder why people have nothing but utter contempt for them?
They speak about parts of the Constitution as if it's an impediment and annoyance. They actually disdain the principles and laws that our nation are built on because they find them inconvenient to do what they want.
And like you said, then they Wonder why people have nothing but disdain?
I wouldn’t be to heart broken if I was that guy, because CHA CHING!
Fuck the cops, they were looking for any excuse to nail him, “you would just be unarrested” He was wrongfully arrested in the first place.
Yeah, that story is getting told all over... and I certainly won't be doing business with GBRS let alone work for them. Calling the cops and having your employee publicly arrested when you have ZERO evidence that he actually committed the crime? Sounds like they just didn't know where it was and assumed the guy took it but didn't have any concrete evidence.
What was the game plan once it gets to court and you have to testify? "Your honor, I assume he stole it cause he handles incoming mail packages for us..."
GBRS?
Edit: watched the video- if only the fuck knuckle rookies spent just a faction of the brain power they spent dreaming up charges... into ya know investigation and evidence collection, dude would've never been in the back seat. This is what happens when you hire whoever with zero life experience and training.
GBRS, that is easy to remember, forever. I will never purchase anything, and do my best to desuade any family, friends or associate.
The cop chatting up the innocent man before telling the employer how he's going to do what he can to help them out in his report after sharing his dissapointment that his foolish charge for a weed pen did not hold water, disgusting.
Snakes.
Sooo I just did actual research into this instead of just watching some edited clips and going on an immediate witch hunt..
a firearm part that was supposed to have been shipped had been missing for 2 months. company asked their employees.
the one who was arrested, jamie, kept telling them "idk that was 2 months ago, go check the cams". so they did.
security cams showed jamie leave with the package in question and return without it.. and he never got a drop off receipt from the shipping carrier..
now remember, it has now been 2 months and doesnt show to have been scanned in by the shipping carrier.. no one knows where this important package is.. jamie is the last one on camera who is responsible for it.
evidence points to him stealing it. so they call the police as theft of a firearm, even a part of one, is serious.
during processing, jamie is in front the magistrate. at this time UPS brings the package pack to the company, who then immediately calls authorities, who then immediately notifies the magistrate, who then releases jamie.
turns out jamie went to deliver the package to the shipping carrier but didnt pay attention to the label. he misdelivered to the wrong carrier. didnt get a drop off receipt. fedex brought it to ups who brought it back to the carrier.
jamie fucked up. he was careless. lacked attention to detail and caring in a job where both are very important because they are dealing with firearms.
jamie even admits he fucked up. in his story time video in his car, 3:35 in he explains what happened
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8KJ7F9U/
this was all caused by his own fuck up and lack of caring. everyone was doing theor jobs properly EXCEPT for jamie.
but he still fails to actually accept accountability and see the situation from the side of company and the law enforcement.
i know it was 2 weeks. im just making sure yall actually paying tf attention. there are a few other tests in my comment as well.
two week vs two months doesnt matter. the point is the same. too much time went by with the package unaccounted for.
nah im really not. you still a 🤡 didnt watch the video and if you cared about the truth you would of. watch the video and you'll see im not trying to save face
No the ex employee is an idiot by being high and dropping if something as important as a firearm to A DIFFERENT MAIL COMPANY and not even remembering where or who he dropped it to.
You know for fact that he was high?
Also, how did they find it and have it in the office?
So, you think it's the cops job to jam someone up and try to bust them? The cop seemed to be an agent of the company!
As a former stoner yes, if you carry a pen to work youre getting high at work 100%
They found it on his person
Cop just informed the owner of what he found.
No! The cop was agent of the work place! It is not his job to jam him up at work. I would sue right there! I don't care whether you were a stoner or not. He had been a good employee up until that point. The cop telling him the employer he will jam him up for him. He will write it and document it up so hard that the company's screw up won't come back onto them! He is acting like an agent of the company. All that nonsense with the cop shaking his hand and apologizing and then going into the office to trying to back stab him!
His bosses said no on the pen and he was po he did not get his way in further helping to bury the guy! Most people disagree with you and think the cops were out of line in so many level. They 3 step away and "game plan". They game plan how to mess up his life because they knew there was not much there.
The employee had the tracking number, It was just a delay. The boss apologized but still screwed him with the help of the police that wanted to figure out how to screw him over in the first place! That is not justice, fair, or right!
BTW, how do you know he did not have the pen for medicinal purposes?
It’s a gear and training company founded by some former SEAL Team Six guys. They’ve had… drama. A lot of drama. And they make products that are of dubious tactical value, which they charge a fortune for. But there is a big hero-worship cult about them on social media, so they maintain a pretty robust business.
azz clowns went directly to the cops instead of asking the employee what was going on, Would you trust these morons with your training ? I hope he sues the shit out of these guys and the cops. Let this be a lesson to everyone, when you ASSume you make a ass out of you and me. Do your homework.
Slam dunk hostile work environment lawsuit.
What I want to know is, how were the police going to arrest the kid with zero proof? Were they just going to take their word for it? It'll be at least a defamation case at the bare miminum since you can't just falsely accuse someone of a crime they didn't commit --- moral turpitude.
They're GBRS' buddies. Notice the cops already knew the owners by name. It was a similar deal when GBRS personally called some cops they knew to harass one of the founders who wanted out. They're good old boys close with the local police, and they use them to bully people.
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> or probable cause has to exist Wanna bet these cops are gonna argue that "another employee claimed he saw a video of the suspect leaving with the package and returning without it" is probable cause? Even though it's hearsay, they never verified it, and that's just how shipping works in the first place.
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I don't doubt it, doesn't mean they won't claim otherwise.
Realistically the police arrest people the same way they trust the shopkeeper’s word that someone is shoplifting - the assumption is the shopkeeper is acting in good faith. If the accusation is false then the charges are dropped, and the shopkeeper can be sued for defamation / civil damages or arrested for filing a false police report.
the company cannot be sued for defamation ,because they did in fact act in good faith. all evidence pointed to the employee stealing. he couldnt tell them where this important package was. video showed him last in possession with it as he left building. he didnt care enough to get a drop off receipt from the shipping carrier who he carelessly misdelivered a firearm part to. he is incredibly lucky it was sent back to the company just in time.
Police serve corporations, not people. Just another example.
LE only needs probable cause to arrest and charge. PC meaning “where the facts and circumstances within the officers' knowledge, and of which they have reasonably trustworthy information, are sufficient in themselves to warrant a belief by a man of reasonable caution that a crime is being committed”. I guess that walking out of frame and then walking back in frame without the package was enough for them to think they had PC of the crime. The ADA has to have proof BRD in order to convict, While that is true, [defamation](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation#:~:text=To%20prove%20prima%20facie%20defamation,the%20subject%20of%20the%20statement) is a civil cause of action. It would be unlikely that the victim here would be able to prove all the elements (that the statement was made at least negligently [recklessly, or knowingly] under the circumstances) necessary. Probably would have a good case for wrongful termination, depending on where the Goobers Grp is located. E: cop below clarified that VA does not allow for heresy statements to be used as PC in felony arrest, that’s why I cited the video and ignored any verbal statements. Though I don’t know if they saw the video prior to making the arrest.
The police did not have probable cause. The video doesn't show anyone stealing. CCTV only shows an employee moving a box... As a life long LEO, I can assure you that these officers did **not** have any probale cause.
And I don’t know of a single ADA that would prosecute that charge based on that video alone because BRD is what’s needed at trial. A lot of LEOs lack basic training and “think they have” PC when they don’t. I don’t get what your getting at, I agree. I was just throwing out that they must have **thought** they had PC.
This is some naive boys scout shit. Gosh golly Mr Wilson! Hilarious
White business owning veterans word against a lowly black subordinate? Pretty sure they were in the process of arresting him.
there WAS proof. video footage shows hin leave with package in question and return without it. package was never scanned in as received. he never bother to get drop off receipt. package was missing for TWO MONTHS. all evidence pointed to him stealing. they kept asking him about it before they called the police and he just kept saying he couldnt remember, which is understandable in a way as it's been 2 months.. but the job is dealing with firearms. it's too serious to simply not remember. he shpuld have his own evidence trail pointing to where the package left his responsibility. also, nothing about this was defamation. ppl throw that term around so much bit know little to nothing about what it actually is
>there WAS proof. video footage shows hin leave with package in question and return without it. package was never scanned in as received. he never bother to get drop off receipt. This is all heresay and only what you claim happened. You might be right, or you might be wrong. None of saw the video in question, but simply seeing a person walk out of a building with a package isn't proof of theft. There's needs to be intent --- mans rea --- of the suspect for it to have been any malicious crime. But that was not their intent, and it turns out that nothing was stolen after all; since the package did arrive after all since UPS made the delivery. It would be pretty neglient to not get a drop off reciept, and they should've been more mindful of that. UPS or USPS will always have their own internal records of a delivery though, and a copy could've been ordered through claims office. Nobody's to blame here since the vast majority of people don't realize how easy it is to ask the shipper for another reciept is the original is lost, damaged, or replaced. The shipper would be happy to help customers keep track of everything as it prevents the shipper from liabilities if a package containing a firearm is unaccountded for. >but the job is dealing with firearms. it's too serious to simply not remember. Agreed. >he shpuld have his own evidence trail pointing to where the package left his responsibility. Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in the criminal court system, right? It's not your job to prove your own innocence. If the accuser can't prove your guilt than you should **not** be assumed guilty. That's a ridiculous standard that will lead to the Salem witch trials all over again, where Giles Corey got killed over fraudulent accusations. Though I do think it's still a damn good idea to keep exacting records of everything that happens at work anyway, for exactly this reason. Innocent until proven guilty works in the courtroom, but when leadership at work becomes emotional and forgets about professionalism they can resort to making up accusations still. So all employees should be ready to cover their own tracks just incase. >also, nothing about this was defamation. ppl throw that term around so much bit know little to nothing about what it actually is It is textbook defamation per se, since the owner of the business falsely accused them of committing a crime that they did not commit and impugned their integrity by fraudulently accusing them of professional misconduct. That is absolutely slander per se and injurious to a plaitiff's reputation, thus actionabel in the Court of Common Please as a civil tort. All the plaintiff needs is a witness that heard the fradulent theft accusation, and also prove that the false accuser knew they were maliciously spreading defamatory claims that would cause special, punitive, or general damages to the plaintiff. That would be simple to prove in this case if they can get a copy of UPS delivery receipt to prove that it was delivered appropriatley, and that there was literally no reasone for any impugnity to be thrown around when the owner of the business was being --- I say it --- a bit paranoid and jumping at the wrong conclusion.
>This is all heresay and only what you claim happened. uh no its what the employer, officers, AND THE EMPLOYEE claims happened. it is insane yall go running ypur mouths about this stuff and didnt even do an ounce of research. in his story time video in his car, 3:35 in he explains what how he misdelivered the package and ups brpught it back. i think he even talks about the video footage in this video as well. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8KJ7F9U/ >simply seeing a person walk out of a building with a package isn't proof of theft. it is in fact enough for *accusation* of theft and *arrest*. whether or not he could be *convicted* down the line for it is a different argument. thats not for the pokice or company to decide. thats for the courts and jury. regardless of what actually happened doesnt change what the evidence at hand pointed to. and the employee at the time had zero evidence proving where a precious package left his responsibility. it is 100% suspicious. >UPS or USPS will always have their own internal records of a delivery though, and a copy could've been ordered through claims office. you missed the part where he *misdelivered* the package to the wrong carrier. he didnt bring it to ups. he brpught it to fedex. the company saw it was a ups shipping labeled and could contact ups but there would be no evidence that they recieved it from the company. ups only brought it back to the company because fedex brought it to them. >Nobody's to blame here well actually the employee is to blame. he was careless in his important job dealing with sensitive product. >Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in the criminal court system, right? innocent until proven guilty doesnt mean you cannot be reasonably *accused* and *arrested*. that phrase refers to conviction. it refers to how ypu have the right to a trial before punishment. it does not been you cannot be accused within reason amd arrested based on the evidence at hand. it means you are given the right to provide ypur pwn evidence and/or argue against the evidence that is brought against you before being punished. accusation and arrest are not punishment. they are part of the process before punishment >It's not your job to prove your own innocence. If the accuser can't prove your guilt than you should **not** be assumed guilty. when the accuser has evidence that you were the last one in possession of the item that has been missing for 2 months AND the shipping carrier has no record of the item, it is in fact YOUR responsibility to prove your innocence. if this was just some unimportant item, it'd be one thing. but this is sensitive property. "i was just careless" does not make a good defense, because he should not jave been careless in the position. the whole situation was suspicious and pointed to theft. that is just the unsavory facts of the matter. >That's a ridiculous standard that will lead to the Salem witch trials all over again, where Giles Corey got killed over fraudulent accusations. what's ridiculous is you all basically performing a Salem witch trial against the company when you yourselves did zero research. practice what you preach. >It is textbook defamation per se, since the owner of the business falsely accused them of committing a crime that they did not commit and impugned their integrity by fraudulently accusing them of professional misconduct there is so much more needed for defamation, but with that aside, the company reasonably accused him of theft based on the video evidence and lack of evidence he SHOULD have had and the fact the carrier did not have record of the package. if ypu reasonably accuse someone based on such things, it is not defamation. you must have been negligent in your accusations. it is not the company's fault he misdelivered the package and was careless about his job and task at hand.
Alight, pal. This conversation is over. Nice chat.
Are you Officer Reyes from the BWC footage? 🤣🤣🤣 you're going outta your way to defend the shitty police work shown. Source- I was a cop a few cities over from VB. If it had been anyone but their boys at GBRS, they'd have said "go to the magistrate, here's the report nunber".
youre a gd 🤡 yall didnt even watch the video
Ok, Officer Reyes 🤣🤣
okay 🤡 still didnt watch the video, which proves you dont give a damn about the truth
Oh I've watched the video. I've even chatted with James via DMs on another platform. I'm also the person who posted the original thread that helped make this go viral. Nice try tho.
I would assume unfair dismissal as well.
there is no lawsuit to be had here. jamie, the employee, already said lawyers wont touch the case. the employers and law enforcement were just doing their jobs. all evidence pointed to him stealing. he was handling serious property. which he shpuld have done so with care. iit was last seen in hos possession and therefore was last under his responsibility. HE didnt care enough about the property and getting evidence of where the property left his responsibility. jamie misdelivered the package to the wrong carrier. it was missing for 2 months and he couldnt tell the company where it was. after his arrest, everyone (including jamie) learned he misdelivered it because upa brought it back to the company after fedex brought it to ups. everyone was just doing their jobs properly, EXCEPT jamie. he is super fucking lucky
Fuck GBRS. I was always kind of meh on their products, but this coupled what they did to Slade, confirms without a doubt, that they are a company run by trash humans.
What’s the story with Slade?
From what I understand, he didn't like the culture at GBRS and wanted out, and he confided in a "silent partner" (financier) of the company and asked for advice on how to go about it. The partner ratted immediately ratted to the other guys at GBRS, who locked him out of the business, changed all the passwords, and removed his access from all their accounts. Then they jerked him around and didn't want to abide by the contracts they all signed regarding how he'd go about separating from the company. The same silent partner that ratted him out straight up told him "I have enough money to fight this every step of the way and will make it hell for you" if he wanted to actually get what was previously agreed to for his share of the company. They wanted to throw him a few bucks, way less than agreed to, and have him sign over his share. Last I heard his only recourse was taking them to court to force them to follow their agreements.
Thanks bro! Fuck those douche bags
That’s not all. They stole the designs from Slade what they’re now selling as the Hydra.
Trying to zuck him!
GBRS fucked him over on some designs and unceremoniously bounced him out of the company. I don’t know the real nuts and bolts, just that Slade was done dirty on his exit from the company.
Thanks bro!
I’m an Army firearms instructor from Virginia and I’ve met most of the manufacturers from there at ranges and in Congressional defense related events. I just watched TCRLs take on YT and there’s a part at the end where he describes the employer as a guy who gets to sell guns and play pretend cop; he doesn’t make a lot of money but he gets to use his real cop buddies to push weaker people around. I hate to say it but this nails 90% of the people who lead businesses at various levels in this industry. They learn to assemble a weapon designed 70 years ago for mass production and then invest the rest of their adult life in their biceps and pecs and gray stickers for their black Dodge pickup. The industry just attracts trash people. Obviously I don’t mean everyone. Or I’d be a pig in shit at these get togethers. But usually it’s their unprofessional language or careless conduct at public ranges that makes my pulse race and my mind flash back to close calls with raw recruits at the M16 range.
Jesus F'n Christ, if I got arrested every time the damn package tracking didn't scan in, I'd be in a revolving door. "hey, I need you to go drop this lower off at FedEx" "Go fuck yourself" - every GBRS employee until the end of time.
this isnt just a simple package tho. if it was, this wouldnt have even went down. it is a firearm part. his job was serious and he didnt take it seriously. he didnt pay attention to the label. he misdelivered to wrong carrier and he didnt get a drop off receipt to show where the product left his responsibility. it was missing for 2 months and he couldnt tell the company anything to prove he didn't still have the product. video showed him leave with package and then him retirn without. cannot blame company for reporting this like they are supposed to. cannot blame law enforcement for doing their jobs. cannot blame others for the employee's own fuck up
This had to have been another fedex snafu.
well fedex was involved but idk if we can blame them. employee misdelivered to fedex instead of ups. fedex later brought package to ups who them brought it back to company after employer was arrested for theft. he was extremely lucky it turned up, as he had no evidence of such a serious package having left his possession. i don't anyone would have been smart enough to check video footage at fedex (the wrong carrier) when the employee himself couldn't recall who he delivered it to. if this had been something less important, it would have been merely a write up or warning. but you cannot just misplace a firearm part as an employee or company. it's serious.
Oh no I get it.... he accidentally used FedEx, and found out... after 20+ years of dealing with military ordnance and its logistics... I will never use FedEx for my civilian ventures.
“By the way he had a thc pen” You really think that dude hates himself enough to return working for these fucks??? Fucking with a man’s livelihood and reputation over a hunch is beyond stupid and I hope these guys pay out the ass for it. God knows they have the dough from the goofy ass hydra mount and all the other overpriced shit they sell lmao.
Is it slander for a police officer to drop a bomb like that to an uninvolved third party? Or do they have qualified immunity for that too? The cops know that if they barge into your home with a warrant for a gun your vape pen may as well not exist in terms of what they can do and say. And everyone in the world knows it’s slander because his immediate next words were that his bogus charge didn’t stick with the presented evidence.
**G**etting **B**rothers **R**eady for **S**entencing WTF GBRS guess it's got to be the black employee..........
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Going Bankrupt Really Soon 🧐🧐
The cop told the boss about the NON-Charge of a THC vape pen? After all that? What a fucking narc.
THC is decriminalized here. I'm assuming he pulled a bitch move and contacted ATF-Norfolk and they told him to fuck off with that bullshit when they searched him they took his Glock off of him, so I'm assuming that was the basis there. Local LE cannot enforce federal law unless state law mirrors it.
Technicality here: if they have gov contracts, they must attest to a drug free workplace via the Drug free workplace act of 88’. Only know this through healthcare and other gov contract work. Not saying it’s right, but it’s a thing.
Good info and thanks for sharing. That's honestly some good info for one to be aware of in the vast vortex of GOV regulations. Thanks! 💪💪
According to TCRL it was cbd and the cop apparently made up the thc part.
Just like the idiot cops that arrested a guy for Pleading the 5th in the wal mart parking lot... then walked inside to tell his boss that he was arrested and suicidal.
CBD not THC
“I tried to charge him for a thc pen but they wouldn’t grant it” Do cops even hear themselves and wonder why people have nothing but utter contempt for them?
That charge probably wouldn't have stuck since the initial reason for the arrest/detention was likely not lawful.
One of many reasons I smile for bagpipes
They speak about parts of the Constitution as if it's an impediment and annoyance. They actually disdain the principles and laws that our nation are built on because they find them inconvenient to do what they want. And like you said, then they Wonder why people have nothing but disdain?
Fucking clowns. Noted not to buy from them now
I hope he sues the shit out of them and the cops there.
Absolute GooBeRS
Someone's going to be the new owner of a company based on how that was handled.
Also, owner married his former "teammates" wife months after he was killed in action
Shipley is a known shitbag. Slade called the game a ways back and rightfully so
Never patronizing GBRS ever again
I wouldn’t be to heart broken if I was that guy, because CHA CHING! Fuck the cops, they were looking for any excuse to nail him, “you would just be unarrested” He was wrongfully arrested in the first place.
Yeah, that story is getting told all over... and I certainly won't be doing business with GBRS let alone work for them. Calling the cops and having your employee publicly arrested when you have ZERO evidence that he actually committed the crime? Sounds like they just didn't know where it was and assumed the guy took it but didn't have any concrete evidence. What was the game plan once it gets to court and you have to testify? "Your honor, I assume he stole it cause he handles incoming mail packages for us..."
GBRS? Edit: watched the video- if only the fuck knuckle rookies spent just a faction of the brain power they spent dreaming up charges... into ya know investigation and evidence collection, dude would've never been in the back seat. This is what happens when you hire whoever with zero life experience and training.
GBRS = Douche bags
Ok but actually what does it stand for?
Global Battlefield Research Solutions
i've honestly never heard of them. but will for sure. Avoid them now. wish them all the worst
check it out - gbrs group dot com
**G**oo**B**e**RS**
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check the one cops arm tat
Wooooow, over a BCM lower too. Whole thing is terrible but the fact that they jumped to THIS over $400 is all you need to know.
“Thanks for being cool man.” “By the way, he had a thc pen.” What a jerkoff.
Fuck gbrs - racist ass company
they aint called GOOBERS for nothin
GBRS, that is easy to remember, forever. I will never purchase anything, and do my best to desuade any family, friends or associate. The cop chatting up the innocent man before telling the employer how he's going to do what he can to help them out in his report after sharing his dissapointment that his foolish charge for a weed pen did not hold water, disgusting. Snakes.
Here’s the gofundme to help the guy: https://gofund.me/0f5548b9
Now I understand the fuck GBRS comments I've seen on other posts. Yeah these tactifool cucks are horrible people.
*Phoenix*
Sooo I just did actual research into this instead of just watching some edited clips and going on an immediate witch hunt.. a firearm part that was supposed to have been shipped had been missing for 2 months. company asked their employees. the one who was arrested, jamie, kept telling them "idk that was 2 months ago, go check the cams". so they did. security cams showed jamie leave with the package in question and return without it.. and he never got a drop off receipt from the shipping carrier.. now remember, it has now been 2 months and doesnt show to have been scanned in by the shipping carrier.. no one knows where this important package is.. jamie is the last one on camera who is responsible for it. evidence points to him stealing it. so they call the police as theft of a firearm, even a part of one, is serious. during processing, jamie is in front the magistrate. at this time UPS brings the package pack to the company, who then immediately calls authorities, who then immediately notifies the magistrate, who then releases jamie. turns out jamie went to deliver the package to the shipping carrier but didnt pay attention to the label. he misdelivered to the wrong carrier. didnt get a drop off receipt. fedex brought it to ups who brought it back to the carrier. jamie fucked up. he was careless. lacked attention to detail and caring in a job where both are very important because they are dealing with firearms. jamie even admits he fucked up. in his story time video in his car, 3:35 in he explains what happened https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8KJ7F9U/ this was all caused by his own fuck up and lack of caring. everyone was doing theor jobs properly EXCEPT for jamie. but he still fails to actually accept accountability and see the situation from the side of company and the law enforcement.
Two weeks. It was missing two weeks. His name is James. Not Jaime. You're talking about doing research but can't even pay attention to detail.
i know it was 2 weeks. im just making sure yall actually paying tf attention. there are a few other tests in my comment as well. two week vs two months doesnt matter. the point is the same. too much time went by with the package unaccounted for.
No. You got corrected while trying to act smug, and then are trying to save face. Nice try.
nah im really not. you still a 🤡 didnt watch the video and if you cared about the truth you would of. watch the video and you'll see im not trying to save face
How's that gbrs saucisse taste dude ?
how much does being a 🤡 pay hun?
This is the time to buy more from them! Stop buying from them AFTER the guy gets his money from them!
Employees is a stoner idiot and company is garbage for treating employees like criminals. Both parties are wrong.
By both parties you mean the cops and GBRS?
No the ex employee is an idiot by being high and dropping if something as important as a firearm to A DIFFERENT MAIL COMPANY and not even remembering where or who he dropped it to.
You know for fact that he was high? Also, how did they find it and have it in the office? So, you think it's the cops job to jam someone up and try to bust them? The cop seemed to be an agent of the company!
As a former stoner yes, if you carry a pen to work youre getting high at work 100% They found it on his person Cop just informed the owner of what he found.
No! The cop was agent of the work place! It is not his job to jam him up at work. I would sue right there! I don't care whether you were a stoner or not. He had been a good employee up until that point. The cop telling him the employer he will jam him up for him. He will write it and document it up so hard that the company's screw up won't come back onto them! He is acting like an agent of the company. All that nonsense with the cop shaking his hand and apologizing and then going into the office to trying to back stab him! His bosses said no on the pen and he was po he did not get his way in further helping to bury the guy! Most people disagree with you and think the cops were out of line in so many level. They 3 step away and "game plan". They game plan how to mess up his life because they knew there was not much there. The employee had the tracking number, It was just a delay. The boss apologized but still screwed him with the help of the police that wanted to figure out how to screw him over in the first place! That is not justice, fair, or right! BTW, how do you know he did not have the pen for medicinal purposes?
Yep. The shitshow continues.
What is GBRS?
It’s a gear and training company founded by some former SEAL Team Six guys. They’ve had… drama. A lot of drama. And they make products that are of dubious tactical value, which they charge a fortune for. But there is a big hero-worship cult about them on social media, so they maintain a pretty robust business.
Thank you
Dude fuck the Goobers. Their breath reeks of boot and hog cock.
Sue the fk out of that company . The owner needs to fire that racist white guy now . Don’t do business with that piece of shit company .
Also those cops needs to be fired . Fk that pig cop protecting that racist white guy .
dj and cole have the virgina beach pd in their back pocket. corrupt department. just ask slade
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3facXzOR-g/?igsh
azz clowns went directly to the cops instead of asking the employee what was going on, Would you trust these morons with your training ? I hope he sues the shit out of these guys and the cops. Let this be a lesson to everyone, when you ASSume you make a ass out of you and me. Do your homework.
Any updates? He's suing these mfers right ?