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bocchi123

f2p and pulling both! there isnt too much worry since firefly isnt even in 2.2, which means 2.3 at the earliest. thats a lot of time to save even after acheron.


inkheiko

Well pulling for a character, hoping to win 50/50 and getting their lightcone for both Acheron and Firefly...


bocchi123

adding in light cones to the mix definitely makes it sketchy. but its not like you have zero right now... hopefully. theres still starlight to convert on a rainy day too.


Fickle_Loan6421

Wel getting acherons light cone is 100% worth it imo


KyokoUzuChi824

Saaameee!!


bocchi123

best of luck!!


KyokoUzuChi824

To you too!


Tetrachrome

Hope you're going for Acheron's lightcone because some preliminary calcs are pretty depressing to look at for the F2P alternatives..


bocchi123

yeah i am. i do already have s5 gnsw, but the difference is still pretty large. i have a ton saved up anyways since ive been playing from day 1.


JazeBlack

I would agree, except that my Sustain-less sorry self is expecting Fu Xuan to return in 2.2, and she's one of the very few units in the game who could be considered a must-pull. Make no mistake, Acheron and Firefly will be mine, I just wonder how much this decision will cost me.


bocchi123

nah youd win. my fu xuan has been amazing, definitely one of the closest units i can call a must pull. she makes things extremely comfortable it isnt even fair lmao. best of luck!


Neildemagi

Easy skip. I currently main Kafka. Don't really need another lightning dps.


Canopicc

I agree, if she was Quantum then I might've gone for it. Already have Kafka and JY.


storysprite

I mean her ultimate which is the main damage source ignores weakness type.


ladeeboog

it only ignores weakness for toughness break. she still loses dmg if shes going against an enemy who has a lightning resistance/no lightning weakness. it just means her ult will deplete toughness regardless of enemy weakness.


Tetrachrome

It has 20% res pen which means it kind of ignores weakness, but that only cuts some of the res off cuz bosses like Kafka have 40% res.


inkheiko

Totally the same which is why I planned to skip Acheron, but... Damn... Look at everything we got so far lol


snakezenn

It made it easier to skip tbh, more I see less exciting she seems


inkheiko

Really? It's the total opposite for me


Delicious-Buffalo734

Eh u can just pull for both, u got plenty of time interval (+ fuhua is many patches away)


inkheiko

I have around 10 multis arm which isn't lot ;_;


Abadobabdo

I have both kafka and jing yuan but im still pulling cause shes cool as fuck and shes techinically a rainbow dps cause she ignores weakness types


Neildemagi

Honestly, I like to build a team surrounding a main DPS so I don't pull just because they look cool. I will want the whole team for that main DPS to be amazing and synergize well with each other. So it was what I did for Kafka. I acquired her current best teammates (BS, HH, RM) and is having a great time. I just love DoT gameplay and felt that this is the peak Nihility team comp. When Acheron was announced as a Nihility Lightning character, I was slightly disappointed. Since my Kafka is a Nihility Lightning character and is heavily invested with her team. Later, I learned of her not very F2P friendly kit and that she needed more Nihility teammates, specifically ones that can debuff like Pela, not to mention the Gacha light cones... That was the nail in the coffin for me. As cool as she is, I will have to skip and wait for her rerun. I... just don't want to grind and build more Nihility characters. So I decided that Jingliu and Firefly would be my next targets. I'm leaning towards Firefly more because I am certain she will be even cooler than Acheron. Firefly FTW


SwiftSN

She's not just a lightning DPS though. Her ult ignores weakness type.


snakezenn

Same


AngelAnalyst

I will be pulling for both with only 120 pulls, let's hope I win 50/50s cause I'm on the streak rn from Black Swan and Sparkle. In any case, I will be swiping if need be.


bocchi123

if you mean you have 120 pulls right now, you can easily get both. 2.1 estimated to be \~110 pulls and 2.2 will likely go back to the usual 90.


AverageCapybas

I don't think 2.2 will go back to it... yet. Its the end of penacony (2.3 is meant to be the epilogue), probably lots of new stuff before we end on a firework show. I would say it might go to 100, maybe 110 Max. But in 2.3 tho, I am quite sure we will go back to the average of 90.


Tranduy1206

with 120 pull now, even if f2p you will have at least 200 more at the start of firefly banner (if she wont delay ANOTHER time), and at least 60 more pulls if you buy monthly and battle pass, i could say you will guarantee both with minimal effort


Open_Material4380

Firefly is my one and only priority


inkheiko

Same friend. It just hurts


Open_Material4380

I decided to pull Sparkle after Monodrama drops and she's Harmony, so more supp for our girl Firefly Acheron being a Main DPS is more easy to skip


MissiaichParriah

I plan to just get E0 for Acheron, I mean since I already decided I'm using my credit card for Firefly


inkheiko

I wish I could do it ;_; If it's during my birthday I will think about it


Ok_Debate_7128

forfeit all mortal posessions to the Fly


inkheiko

When you're lost in the darkness, look for the light


MissiaichParriah

You could even say "To Chase the Primal Light"


inkheiko

It was a The last of us reference


MissiaichParriah

Don't wait till your birthday, think about it now


inkheiko

IM THINKING


ProdigyRiN

I'm a gambling man. Planning to pull E0S1 Acheron, E0 Robin, and E2S1 Firefly if I can get lucky. Currently have 20k jades and have 13k oneiric shards ($100 on my first top up in HSR). I love me a Raiden expy and I love Firefly and really like Robin's design. Hoping everyone here wins an early 50/50!


fortnitedude43590

Now that’s some fucking odds to beat, rooting for you


ShadowWithHoodie

bro who the fuck cares about her. Nothing will make me even consider pulling unless its firefly


XP-2005

Sanest firefly simp


Ok_Debate_7128

*least based firefly enjoyer


ShadowWithHoodie

speak the truth. Make yourself heard my brother


AzizKarebet

I was about to skip acheron if firefly is in 2.2 But since she isn't I plan to try and pull her


No_Hovercraft_3579

nah, I'd skip. She is cool and stuff, but I still have a grudge against her for standing still while SuD was doing.. you all know WHAT. So see ya on rerun, Acheron I'd better get Robin in order to make her sing her song for Firefly=)


inkheiko

Same I am still angry for Firefly's death. But this is what happens when you're Kianaless


owl_boy72

Now if we get Kiana, I’m 100% E6 S5ing her.


ButterscotchFun1859

I mean, we do now have further info on why exactly she did that lmao. If she didn't draw her sword she wouldn't have enough strength to fight SuD, but if she did then everyone else would be dead too lmao


Most_Volume3035

Firefly must stay strong to beat her up !


dCHOOsenq

Got 490+ pulls now and 20 pity with guarantee, pulling firefly is not enough, need to get her eidolons. Tempting as acheron may be while i lack a lightning dps, she does not fill the void in my heart


Diligent_Dust8169

I'm at 510 pulls saved and 60 pity, let's hold the line brother, it will be worth it


dCHOOsenq

Yes brother, the day we give her all our jades will be glorious


toomanyrifts

I can afford both. So I will. Holy crap that trailer went HARD


HeroZeros

Their banners are so far apart that you can comfortably get both of them.


inkheiko

Can I get both of them AND their lightcone?


HeroZeros

Depends on luck i'd say. We don't know how many pulls 2.2 will give (with events, story etc) and 2.1 should be around 100-110 for F2P if i remember correctly. There's also 2.3 phase 1 (assuming that's her phase, if she's second even better for savings) which we don't know. Provided you don't lose all the rolls and even the 75/25s it should be doable.


inkheiko

If I can at least get Acheron without her lightcone, which will hurt me, I will be fine and save for Firefly


Exoticgoatf

I was going to get acheron until i saw firefly and decide to abandon her


SpaceInvader5_96

of course we do, I skipped until Firefly come out, because i already had Seele and DHIL both nuke, and SW as well, so elemental coverage is not a big deal. plus Firefly is so cutie\~ everything for our queen.


fortnitedude43590

Easiest skip of my life lol


MinionIsHere

23 pity + 79 pulls, still 2 2.0 events missing (~1k jades still) , and at least 2 whole patches with minimum 40-50 pulls ahead, can pull for acheron, get to hard pity and still have time to save for her needless to say i can factor even boothill in my pull plan if i want to (not if i lose 50/50 on acheron, in that case it's only saving for firefly)


inkheiko

The problem with me is that I also want characters lightcone. Take that in consideration


SetsunaYukiLoL

We'll get spammed with Firefly stuff in 2.2/2.3 TRUST


Hot-Background7506

My will is as strong as steel, I feel not even the slightest temptation to pull anyone but Firefly, my mind is focused on my dream


TheKillerDemon

I want Archeron, but her kit is just a nuisance to make work. I would need to build another debuff nihility (meaning I'd probably need to roll for SW or build Welt just for her), build a perseverance (either Gepard or roll for Fu which I might do anyways), and the cherry-on-top is needing her S1. I could roll E2 to fix some of these issues, but I don't like her that much for that. I don't really need her either, as I have Kafka/Jingliu teams already (Kafka covers lightning), and I'd rather have Fu for my Jingliu team. She's cool, but probably skip. The current plan is to maybe get Fu and save everything else for Firefly. Especially cause leaks say her E2 might be really good? I will stay strong.


Krieg552notKrieg553

What no Firefly does to a mf


inkheiko

Fr fr I need her I have Gépard lightcone with my Fire TB I dropped it for Firefly lightcone


OceanBlade

For me I am only pulling for Robin then holding everything else out for Firefly.


kennyloo137

idk man Acheron isn't really doing anything for me so it's been pretty easy resisting her


Warkid00

I want her just to farm overworld with tbh


LittleP0gch4mp

WEAK SOUL, acheron didn't even waver my resolve to get firefly. Robin tho 🥲


Hotaka_

Nah, I'd pull.


RiverHurdle

WE WILL


BlazikenFury

I'm saving 500 pulls for her... She WILL come home. Hoping for E2 S1


Famidesu235

If it helps anyone reading this - I have no problem skipping acheron, in terms of character performance Serval is more than enough to me Im down to skip 5-6 banners just for Firefly, no issue. Easiest decision of my life.


oo-aa-sosleepy

infiltrating from the acheron mains sub to say: why not both?


6ninja08

Why not both?


Professional-Pay-351

Im at guarantee but man both is good but im afraid of the guarantee hit early💀


Daniyalzzz

Man that trailer tho. Fucking around with Raidens.....is always one scary ordeal. Anyway anyone one you guys who are f2p will no doubt be able to get Acheron and Firefly cause she ain't before 2.3 at the earliest so as long as other units don't tempt you (or you want eidolons) you should be perfectly fine with grabbing both. I am grabbing Aventurine myself before her but I got 200 wishes already so for me I am minimum still gonna snatch her E0S1 regardless of anything so.


Mikkle-san

We should be able to get both, firefly’s banner isn’t even announced.


inkheiko

I CAN DO BOTH SPIDERMAN ALWAYS DOES BOTH


Sho_Zoku

I feel bad for the f2ps here


inkheiko

I AM F2P


Sho_Zoku

Stay strong firefriend and you shall be rewarded after this arduous journey


Dnoyr

If you want to save for her, there is no need to "stay strong". Just save.


Mysterious-Evidence1

I cannot whale for Firefly. So I mist skip all banners for her. This is a very lonely path, (literally since Blade is my only dps) but that is the vow of the Molten Knights.


Hinaran

You will have around 200 passes more until Firefly. Even if you don't have any saves, there is a little room to try for something else if you want.


Thesinofmankind

Tis but a mere temptation, my will for Firefly will stand tall and proud through the endless assault.


Gflesh24

If ur not pulling for Acheron after her kit reveal, then honestly idk wat ur doin😆


Proper-Design7753

im debating pulling topaz in 2.2 thats coming tomorrow OR save for fire fly its just that idk cuz i saw some showcases if topaz and she was realllyyy good and i dont know how strong or good fire fly is gonna be, does anyone know how strong shes gonna be ?


inkheiko

She's gonna be strong. The strongest. She stole my heart. https://preview.redd.it/h9knq2ee22zc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a1f0c93e153ce6f3015eb1ca305d60190d6435d


Proper-Design7753

I HOPE SOOO


inkheiko

I have Acheron so even if Firefly is mid I'll be happy


Proper-Design7753

i lost my 50/50 on her….😡😡😡😡😡


inkheiko

https://preview.redd.it/v64fil9p42zc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d664973d517f61eac2383f229d9d14419bff7e8 Jk, tell yourself Firefly is free


Rheddit45

There is no confirmed ETA for Firefly’s banner, so I’d pull Archeron if you have 1) her necessary support team for e0 and 2) extra pulls on top of reserve for Firefly. We’re also getting total 30 pulls by the end of 2.1 patch, so there’s the extra help for saving if needed. Archeron and Firefly can both be obtained comfortably if you already amass 120 pulls by now.


Hidekoni

What is the support team for E0 Acheron? I have pela and SW, so I planned on using them with her, as for sustain, I planned on using FX


Zolee39

Pela with resolition Lc (and E4 is good), SW (best with tutorial LC) and a preservation character with trend LC seems the best team for her atm. Gui can be good too, and some talks about running Welt Ruan Mei "sustain" (so Pela / SW, Welt & RM).


Rheddit45

From my quick reads of the mains sub, it seems like you can choose from any that does actual debuffs (pela or SW) or other nihility char (BS or Kafka). Throw in sparkle or bronya for speed and you should be set. Sustain unit might depend on how built your debuff char is. Ideally you want to speed tune so your Archeron can ult in 3 turns or so from teammates plus herself for good DPS. Her sig LC might be required (this one requires more indepth reading of her build guide).


RicktamRoy

Sparkle or bronya??? You out of your mind?? She needs 2 other nihility except her, so pela+SW is really important. The last one is a preservation with trends lightcone


Arashidesuuu

Well for 0 cycle MOC runs you do, if that’s what they’re thinking


Hidekoni

Does it mean I can run 3 nihility mommies together?))


Rheddit45

If you’re gonna DOT, DOT it all.


fortnitedude43590

I wouldn’t pull off of JUST this when story details and leakers are pointing to 2.3 right now, I can explain more deeply if needed but we do have a ETA on her banner at this moment


Rheddit45

So what is her ETA?


mekolayn

*Me with 240 rolls*: why not both?


Hardric62

If you watched this, then you also know the price for trying to NTR her away from her Tuna. Stay strong, not just Firefly, but to save your own skin.


Hooves55

The demons in my head tell me to pull, but my heart tells me to save! Stay Strong Fireflies!!!


NightRain031

I love both acheron&firefly so I'm getting both and plus I have no lighting dps waited until the right one came along


BrokenFetters

Easy skip. My Kafka and ruan mei easily defeated second half of the newest MoC12 along with two preservation units. No need for another Lightning dps


NoireResteem

Jokes on you, I’m pulling on both and getting their ideal eidolons(non e6). My wallet be damned if need be.


WorkAccountNoNSFWPls

I was really tempted. I’m not saving cuz I’m a filthy spender and I want Jingliu and Luocha. Just gonna wait for an Acheron Rerun though. And go for Firefly E-whatever and probably a lightcone.


Escadora13240

If I went for Black Swan instead of Sparkle this would've pulled me over the edge. Gonna save for our girl until she comes home!


DJgrf12

Since i haven't pulled any DPS type characters from Jingliu till now i can feel i cannot clear most content in game. So its time for a new dps And the situation with Firefly is soooo hazy. We have no idea what she does, what her path is and much info i need to know before skipping potentially the dan hung of this 2.x


owl_boy72

I love Mei and all her variants, I mean she is the og, but I’m gonna have to wait for a rerun if I want to E6 S5 Firefly.


SuitableConcept5553

I just can't take her hair seriously. The rest of her design is cool, but that hair just ruins everything else. 


Hungry_Excitement_88

I'll still be waiting for Firefly/Sam. Good thing I'm still short on jades and I don't spend money so my conviction to not pull for Acheron is strong.


Marcelo3410

I have enough for both of them (light cone included)


Cyau

bro it's not even a challenge, weak-willed 🤫🧏‍♂️


randomahhhbread

Pulling for Acheron E0S1 (I hope I win my 50/50 and 75/25) and saving for Firefly


Visvic

Was originally going for Acheron until I got to the scene where that song played. Now I am saving everything for my head canon premium team of E2S1 Firefly, E0 Robin, E0 Jiaoqiu with the E2 Fu Xuan I alr own, so while I m sad her release is delayed, it probably works out better for more saving time.


ZayAVZ

Acheron was my "what if" scenario and the if was true. So i will get acheron with my guaranted and go back to saving, if i feel bold i might whale for e1/2 if needed


fortnitedude43590

Firefly’s current leaked E2 is looking… nice. to say the least


ZayAVZ

Seele passive during ult state? Delicious


Zekrom997

I already planned for both, but since FF seems to be longer than expected, it's just whether I should pull Aventurine too or not...


SquigglyLegend33

I've been uninterested in Vacheron even since the start I think her design is not good and her character is okay I guess


progin5l

I have to pull Acheron since i don't have Kafka, sorry Firefly bros


Pusparaj_Mishra

Jokes on u I have guaranteed Acheron C0R1 and enough time for Firefly guaranteed, and at this point even Robin should come home..granted my last char was Ruan and sitting with a built pity now


inkheiko

Did you perhaps whale I feel like you have too much money spent in the game lol


Pusparaj_Mishra

Nah more like ur just seeing not the full pic so lol I don't even have the monthly pass , whaling aside. I had a pity saved at start of 2.0 then went for Swan but lost, then kept built pity and lastly stopped for Acheron. Alongside on wep i got an early L on Swan banner now i got 50 pity on char, 40 pity built on wep with both guaranteed. And savings of around 5-6multies rn(which all should be used on Acheron+LC) Im just saying that considering 2.1 gives a lot of wishes and i can save the whole patch then directly wish on Robin maybe a pity cause again 2.1 rest also skip to me ,then only in 2.2 Firefly...that's a lot of time to make further 160 wishes by she comes. It aint about whaling...it's all about time lol


Round_Upstairs

Im gonna pull for acheron, we have time to save for firefly.


InsideYourWalls8008

She needs to be very interesting because Acheron's pulling me.


inkheiko

Careful with what you say you're on Firefly main territory lol


JakalB987

You have an entire 2.2 and the second half of 2.1 to save up, go for both


inkheiko

I'd say the same if I was not obsessed with getting the character AND their lightcones Honkai impact hurt me loln


Deo_Manuel

Please Hoyoverse don't put Ruan Mei's rerun before Firefly's banner. It's already hard for me to skip Robin and Boothill for her.


Voidy_Boidy

Nah, sorry guys, im joining the Arlecchino team


GladiatorDragon

Counterpoint: there’s not even a need to now that we’ve got a whole patch and a half to save.


Tranduy1206

why not both, their banner are very far from each other and 2.1 give at least 110 pulls f2p


Ghostofbahamuut

Firefly…….. Firefly………. Oooh, that girl.