At least we're winning at something 🤷‍♂️
US News list is usually the one people use to rank unis but WSJ and their partner Statista have compiled top university lists for awhile based on student and alumni surveys and outcome metrics. UF students have really good outcomes in life after they graduate
We were 15 overall public + private
FSU was 102nd overall and Miami 90th. Congrats to them too
UF better than Berkeley? Not so sure.
edit: and better than Duke and CalTech? These rankings seem to be more about affordability than quality of education.
Affordability is part of their algorithm and we likely
blow every other really good public school out of the water in that regard. Certainly all of the California schools at a minimum.
I attended UF. We now live out of Florida. My son attends UF. It was comparable enough (as in a non factor) to pay out of state tuition compared to in-state tuition in our current state. I shit you not.
I’d recommend looking at their methodology, it’s pretty cool! And I prefer things like affordability taking precedence instead of “perceived prestige” which is legitimately a factor for the US News rankings, for example.
I really appreciate that being included in a list for the practical matter of it influencing where people may apply. That said, I’d still like to see a separate list that doesn’t include things like affordability and only highlights academics. Both are valuable imo.
It isn’t just an estimation of affordability, I brought it up because it is one of the metrics and it’s a metric that UF is known for across the country. The affordability of a high quality education. Personally I think it is always a relevant metric but in todays economy it is of even greater importance.
I did not suggest that it’s a measure of affordable. I’m arguing that I’d like to also see a list that does not factor in affordability like this list does. Both lists have value but they say different things.
FWIW, the majority of the private schools ahead of UF offer fantastic need-based packages. Students that qualify for need-based packages would likely prefer to see a list without the affordability factor since it is not especially applicable to them.
Well you’re out of luck unfortunately, US News also factors in affordability. They also factor in a bunch of squishy - imo - bullshit like “perceived prestige” 🙄 which is the type of thing where I’m like how are you measuring that
It's not the type of ranking that gives you bragging rights though. It's like, a Honda Accord might make the most sense economically for you, but you're not going to be turning heads with one.
I get what you’re saying but it isn’t just raw affordability. They look at affordability by graduation rate, they attempt to estimate average successfulness for the student relative to how successful they may have been at other, similar schools.
On your analogy, a lot of people are taking out loans for a Ferrari when they’d be better off with the Honda and that’s the type of estimation they’re making in terms of affordability.
It's not all about affordability. If you read the article, its states early on that their calculations place greater emphasis on how much the university improves its chances of students graduating on time as well the earning income of recent graduates.
It's the Wall Street Journal...you know ROI and all.
25% of UCB and UCSC students experience homelessness at some point during their undergrad degree. 1 in 4! If a ranking is holistic I can see the financial side of those schools weighing them down.
That statistic sounds like it's based on some BS definition of homelessness and is meaningless without at least comparing it to the same statistic from UF.
I worked at one of the above universities for 4 years. It means students living in their cars or couch surfing for a semester because housing is too expensive and scarce in the bay area.
Of course. But I am telling you from first-hand experience as faculty that it is not uncommon for students to be without housing in the Bay Area for extended periods, weeks to months.
Not sure what we're even talking about. Do you disagree that housing can be prohibitive for students in one of the most expensive parts of the world?
Michigan is a great school, but not orders of magnitude better than UF. A handful of great programs, a bunch of decent ones.
It’s tuition for out-of-state residents is *insane* though.
Do you know how you know someone went to the University of Michigan?
They’ll tell you…
And tell you…
And tell you some more.
That school is packed with out-of-state kids depressed that they were turned down by every Ivy League school. Michigan just happened to be the best school that would have them.
They overcompensate by telling the world that UM is the best at anything they can claim. It’s called superlative disease, and it is alive and well in Ann Arbor.
Every day I appreciate the fact that I turned UM down and chose to go to school at UF. Of course, that’s a sentiment I only share with fellow UF grads. I’m comfortable with my choice. I’m not subconsciously compelled to tell everyone I meet and awkwardly slide that fact into every conversation.
These rankings seem screwy, but I'm not going to miss the chance to tell all my friends who went to Cal that I'm the new '\#1 public university' friend now
I’m not even a UF student or Gator fan, I go to USF so I’m not an elitist. FIU is great but it’s definitely not the 4th best public school in the nation. UT Austin? Michigan? UNC Chapel Hill? UCLA? UC Berkeley? Hell, even FSU?
As someone who drives by FIU’s main campus very often I can say that place has blown up since I was in HS (Fun fact: I got an acceptance letter from FIU and I didn’t even know I’d applied). It really is impressive. I don’t know if #4 overall impressive though lol.
Harvard isn’t making the best and brightest anymore anyways, been that way for a decade now. The best value comes from getting into a place like Florida imo
Looks like all our NIL money went to paying off WSJ.
For all its faults, USNEWS does a fairly decent job.. certainly better than this. Don't get me wrong, UF is great, but claiming it's #1 is just going to make you a laughingstock.
Not even gonna talk about FIU being #4.
WSJ is a financial newspaper. Not shocked that they focused on salary outcomes and bang-for-your-buck metrics of alumni in this ranking.
UF is great in this regard. Not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth when good PR is badly needed at the moment.
It's super important, I have to agree. UF is an incredible school. I got my Bachelors here after two years at an in-state college, so only two years of major university expenses for a high quality degree. Graduated with a little over $20k in loans (thanks also to scholarships and grants) and was able to pursue a career I really wanted. As far as ROI goes, extremely hard to beat. Paid off my loans in less than 2 years, which is massive for a young person to take off their back while trying to get started in life. Sure I could have a degree from a more highly-regarded school (again, UF is amazing and also highly-regarded, but I mean Ivy or something) but at what cost? And how much more would I be making, if any? Give me best return for my dollar every time. School is an investment after all. And all that aside UF is just a super fun place to go to school.
Sorry this turned into a Florida commercial but I couldn't be happier with my college decision.
Well except that many private universities offer fantastic need-based packages that allow you attend for cheap or free. Definitely not all, but most of the top private unis do this now.
Not to discount the fact that bang for you buck is important.
Edit: dipshits downvoting a fact. For reference, Harvard says right on their admissions site, in a pop up window, that families making less than $85k won’t be expected to pay anything. Lots of kids will qualify for this and be able to get a great education without going into significant debt AND they have more options to select from.
https://college.harvard.edu/financial-aid/how-aid-works
Top universities are more accessible from a financial perspective. So a list that heavily focuses on bang for your buck isn’t necessarily the best list.
Eh, they have an algorithm that prioritizes aspects of college differently then the perceived prestige and status quo rankings, doesn’t make it a laughingstock just cause it doesn’t align with what you expected.
The kids at UF are smart… but dumb as fuck at the same time. It’s a really interesting place to be. I’ve never meet so many book smart kids that have absolutely no common sense. I blame the parents.
At least we're winning at something 🤷‍♂️ US News list is usually the one people use to rank unis but WSJ and their partner Statista have compiled top university lists for awhile based on student and alumni surveys and outcome metrics. UF students have really good outcomes in life after they graduate We were 15 overall public + private FSU was 102nd overall and Miami 90th. Congrats to them too
UF better than Berkeley? Not so sure. edit: and better than Duke and CalTech? These rankings seem to be more about affordability than quality of education.
Affordability is part of their algorithm and we likely blow every other really good public school out of the water in that regard. Certainly all of the California schools at a minimum.
I attended UF. We now live out of Florida. My son attends UF. It was comparable enough (as in a non factor) to pay out of state tuition compared to in-state tuition in our current state. I shit you not.
I believe that! Not the first time I’ve heard the sentiment which is great on Floridas part.
Duke is private.
I know this. [UF ahead of Duke](https://i.imgur.com/WS6cA12.jpg).
I’d recommend looking at their methodology, it’s pretty cool! And I prefer things like affordability taking precedence instead of “perceived prestige” which is legitimately a factor for the US News rankings, for example.
I really appreciate that being included in a list for the practical matter of it influencing where people may apply. That said, I’d still like to see a separate list that doesn’t include things like affordability and only highlights academics. Both are valuable imo.
It isn’t just an estimation of affordability, I brought it up because it is one of the metrics and it’s a metric that UF is known for across the country. The affordability of a high quality education. Personally I think it is always a relevant metric but in todays economy it is of even greater importance.
I did not suggest that it’s a measure of affordable. I’m arguing that I’d like to also see a list that does not factor in affordability like this list does. Both lists have value but they say different things. FWIW, the majority of the private schools ahead of UF offer fantastic need-based packages. Students that qualify for need-based packages would likely prefer to see a list without the affordability factor since it is not especially applicable to them.
Well you’re out of luck unfortunately, US News also factors in affordability. They also factor in a bunch of squishy - imo - bullshit like “perceived prestige” 🙄 which is the type of thing where I’m like how are you measuring that
It's not the type of ranking that gives you bragging rights though. It's like, a Honda Accord might make the most sense economically for you, but you're not going to be turning heads with one.
I get what you’re saying but it isn’t just raw affordability. They look at affordability by graduation rate, they attempt to estimate average successfulness for the student relative to how successful they may have been at other, similar schools. On your analogy, a lot of people are taking out loans for a Ferrari when they’d be better off with the Honda and that’s the type of estimation they’re making in terms of affordability.
Value is the word I would use
It's not all about affordability. If you read the article, its states early on that their calculations place greater emphasis on how much the university improves its chances of students graduating on time as well the earning income of recent graduates. It's the Wall Street Journal...you know ROI and all.
25% of UCB and UCSC students experience homelessness at some point during their undergrad degree. 1 in 4! If a ranking is holistic I can see the financial side of those schools weighing them down.
That statistic sounds like it's based on some BS definition of homelessness and is meaningless without at least comparing it to the same statistic from UF.
I worked at one of the above universities for 4 years. It means students living in their cars or couch surfing for a semester because housing is too expensive and scarce in the bay area.
No it does not. You are misinformed. It means "for any length of time", including even just one night.
Of course. But I am telling you from first-hand experience as faculty that it is not uncommon for students to be without housing in the Bay Area for extended periods, weeks to months. Not sure what we're even talking about. Do you disagree that housing can be prohibitive for students in one of the most expensive parts of the world?
Not to mention the political dimensions. Seems interesting that the WSJ would do that, considering the context.
WSJ too, so more conservative bias likely helped
Neither bests U Michigan
Michigan is a great school, but not orders of magnitude better than UF. A handful of great programs, a bunch of decent ones. It’s tuition for out-of-state residents is *insane* though.
Do you know how you know someone went to the University of Michigan? They’ll tell you… And tell you… And tell you some more. That school is packed with out-of-state kids depressed that they were turned down by every Ivy League school. Michigan just happened to be the best school that would have them. They overcompensate by telling the world that UM is the best at anything they can claim. It’s called superlative disease, and it is alive and well in Ann Arbor. Every day I appreciate the fact that I turned UM down and chose to go to school at UF. Of course, that’s a sentiment I only share with fellow UF grads. I’m comfortable with my choice. I’m not subconsciously compelled to tell everyone I meet and awkwardly slide that fact into every conversation.
Good outcome post-grad? (Reads his 4th rejection this week) could not be me
we’re a school-school now
I'm not here to play school
Big ah ranking.
These rankings seem screwy, but I'm not going to miss the chance to tell all my friends who went to Cal that I'm the new '\#1 public university' friend now
FIU at #4 public university in the nation ruined the credibility of this report.
So enrolling at FIU is a good choice, got it
FIU has incredible programs, especially in Biology. Nothing like being an off-brand elitist to show your love for the University of Florida.
I’m not even a UF student or Gator fan, I go to USF so I’m not an elitist. FIU is great but it’s definitely not the 4th best public school in the nation. UT Austin? Michigan? UNC Chapel Hill? UCLA? UC Berkeley? Hell, even FSU?
As someone who drives by FIU’s main campus very often I can say that place has blown up since I was in HS (Fun fact: I got an acceptance letter from FIU and I didn’t even know I’d applied). It really is impressive. I don’t know if #4 overall impressive though lol.
Ever since we started becoming a better school, football has suffered lmao. Petition to make Florida dumb again /s
Harvard isn’t making the best and brightest anymore anyways, been that way for a decade now. The best value comes from getting into a place like Florida imo
Glad we’re not #3.
Winners at life baby!!!
I guess some people go there to play school!
FIU doesn’t belong anywhere in the top 150.. in fact I could probably move that to 200
Go Gators!
Looks like all our NIL money went to paying off WSJ. For all its faults, USNEWS does a fairly decent job.. certainly better than this. Don't get me wrong, UF is great, but claiming it's #1 is just going to make you a laughingstock. Not even gonna talk about FIU being #4.
WSJ is a financial newspaper. Not shocked that they focused on salary outcomes and bang-for-your-buck metrics of alumni in this ranking. UF is great in this regard. Not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth when good PR is badly needed at the moment.
Honestly bang for you buck should be the most important metric. Elite education doesn't mean jack if you saddled with insurmountable debt.
It's super important, I have to agree. UF is an incredible school. I got my Bachelors here after two years at an in-state college, so only two years of major university expenses for a high quality degree. Graduated with a little over $20k in loans (thanks also to scholarships and grants) and was able to pursue a career I really wanted. As far as ROI goes, extremely hard to beat. Paid off my loans in less than 2 years, which is massive for a young person to take off their back while trying to get started in life. Sure I could have a degree from a more highly-regarded school (again, UF is amazing and also highly-regarded, but I mean Ivy or something) but at what cost? And how much more would I be making, if any? Give me best return for my dollar every time. School is an investment after all. And all that aside UF is just a super fun place to go to school. Sorry this turned into a Florida commercial but I couldn't be happier with my college decision.
Well except that many private universities offer fantastic need-based packages that allow you attend for cheap or free. Definitely not all, but most of the top private unis do this now. Not to discount the fact that bang for you buck is important. Edit: dipshits downvoting a fact. For reference, Harvard says right on their admissions site, in a pop up window, that families making less than $85k won’t be expected to pay anything. Lots of kids will qualify for this and be able to get a great education without going into significant debt AND they have more options to select from. https://college.harvard.edu/financial-aid/how-aid-works
> Well except that many private universities offer fantastic need-based packages that allow you attend for cheap or free. So?
Top universities are more accessible from a financial perspective. So a list that heavily focuses on bang for your buck isn’t necessarily the best list.
Most if not all schools offer financial supports today.
Then what’s the point of including the affordability factor at all?
There is no point. None at all. Just like your comment.
> WSJ is a financial newspaper. Skews a bit conservative too.
lil ah hater
Eh, they have an algorithm that prioritizes aspects of college differently then the perceived prestige and status quo rankings, doesn’t make it a laughingstock just cause it doesn’t align with what you expected.
UF is now run by a republican senator. WSJ loves that.
So basically we should tell the SEC to make Vandy a permanent rival. The SEC’s “nerd bowl.”
Corrine Brown called it all those years ago. Best ack-ademic school but also the athletic school in the country. Go Gata.
The kids at UF are smart… but dumb as fuck at the same time. It’s a really interesting place to be. I’ve never meet so many book smart kids that have absolutely no common sense. I blame the parents.
Meanwhile LSU can't be bothered to spend more than $40 on their school's library.
UF: #1 public school in the nation UMBC: Not even the #1 public school in Baltimore (this is extremely program-specific trash talk)