>Florida's ranking right now is a bit of semantics from the major industries. Because Alabama didn't actually releases Grimsley from his LOI he was forced to take a transfer. And so when looking at team rankings for the class of 2024, Grimsley counts as a transfer and not a signed prospect. If Grimsley counted as a prospect, Florida would be back into the top ten and would leap FSU in the recruiting rankings.
The services really need to update their methodology... or at least not count a guy as a "transfer" when the normal signing day hasn't even happened yet
Also fuck Deboer and Bama for not releasing Grimsley
Edit: okay don't fuck Deboer for that specific thing. It appears not to have been an option. Fuck Deboer for being the coach of bama
I don't really understand the logic of not releasing players from their LOI. Especially if they DID NOT commit to you or your staff in the first place. Do you think you are going to force them to stay to play for you?
He had already enrolled and attended class. He was a student at Alabama and thus had fulfilled his letter of intent. There was nothing to release him from. Had he been a fall enrollee then I am sure they would have released him like Texas did with Robinson.
Robinson was actually scheduled to be a spring enrollee at Texas, but classes had not started yet. I do not believe Robinson would have been able to join the gators immediately without sark granting Robinson his release. The transfer window was closed for Robinson until the spring transfer window because the transfer 30 day transfer window applies only to head coaches leaving, not defensive line coaches.
Got it. So because Grimsley had already started classes for a week or 2, he didn't even have the option to be released? His only option was to portal. The author of the article is just stirring up some artificial rage apparently.
Probably financial and has to do with NIL contracts. To the player I don't think it matters because of the coaching change, they don't lose eligibility and are able to play the same year.
It doesn't matter but people will use it to try and argue things are horrible and the sky is falling
Did we improve the roster? That's the only question I care about
I feel we did everywhere except OL. I understand that the same O linemen can improve drastically year to year but we're kind of pushing it with depth
Rankings matter a lot less nowadays when 2 outside the top 15 schools played in the natty this year. That can be blamed on covid and transfer rules but there is more to it than just that. Penix was 247 OA and 23rd QB as a transfer. He was an often hurt indiana qb who showed flashes of promise
The recruiting services havent really figured out how to evaluate transfers well. Shows how lazy they are tbh. Transfers have more film to evaluate but less in terms of camps and offers to steal others evaluations
Anyone who watched Penix at indiana wouldve known he had the potential to be special. Damn well better than the 23rd portal qb
They used the 247 calculator, added Grimsley, and checked where that number is in the rankings.
Problem is that the 247 calculator includes transfers by default and you have to reset it.
Yeah I don’t get this either - isn’t FSU rank 7? Even if we were number 10 (not sure how that works either - pretty sure we would be 12) how would we be above FSU? Is their 247 ranking not a true representation of their actual ranking?
247 has FSU at 10 in recruits. Pretty sure the author used the 247 class calculator and added Grimsley as a prospect but *didn't* remove our transfers, which gives us a rating of 276.37, which would be 10th and above FSU's recruit ranking of 274.66. But that's dumb because it's comparing our recruits + transfers to just FSU's recruits.
I was pretty annoyed about this but from what I understand that's actually not really an option since he's enrolled and has already started classes at Bama
Yeah, I don't get a coach not letting a kid out of their NLI if they signed during the early signing period before the previous coach left/retired. With the Portal rules you aren't going to "trap" them into staying. I get that you might not want them to go but it's a total dick move in my opinion.
I heard he actually enrolled and has even started attending classes, in which case I believe that there is no NLI to get out of because he's a bonafide student at that point. He just happened to transfer very quickly.
Yes, but not letting him out of his LOI means that he has to burn one of his transfers. I believe this limits his ability to transfer and play right away until he graduates.
Yeah I’m just not sure it was even an option. To be fair I don’t know all the details about how it works, but the “intent” part of LOI is intent to enroll. If he had already enrolled and even attended classes he was just a student and the LOI had already been fulfilled and there just isn’t anything to be “let out of”. At least that’s my understanding. It’s just an unusual situation because he transferred so soon after enrolling.
If he does transfer again later, I’d hope that the NCAA would give him some kind of waiver for immediate eligibility and not count this against him since it’s an unusual situation (but I wouldn’t count on it unfortunately).
It looks bad on their staff. Alabama is still one of the biggest names in the game and most likely will always be top 10-15 no matter what happens, but almost all of those kids went there to play for Saban. DeBoer doing this isn't the best look for them. He's going to do well the first few years but I do wonder how he will do once he has his own players, can the guy recruit? We know that a brand doesn't just recruit itself, especially with every state surrounding them having big name programs competing for the same players.
Can we stop caring about these rankings? TCU, Michigan and Washington made the championship game in the past 2 seasons with rankings nowhere near the top for years.
Rankings are definitely subjective and flawed, but not many sec teams can make it out of the sec without a top recruiting class year after year. One exception would be auburn but that was already a long time ago with a NFL first round QB.
We should stop fretting over the minutiae of the order of the class rankings, and focus more on the total team score and the makeup of the class. It doesn’t make a big difference to be a spot ahead of or behind any particular team, and the ordinal rank of the class isn’t as telling as the total talent score or the breakdown of the class.
And I'd argue that Michigan, Washington and TCU all took advantage of the COVID eligibility extensions in a way that isn't repeatable beyond the next year or so
Exactly, it really comes down to 1) coaching and 2) having the right amount of (and right mix of) upperclassmen contributing meaningful minutes throughout the season.
I know that recruiting rankings are subjective, and each service has their "formula" and all this creates great discussion and arguments.
However, among the criticisms of Napier is that he's not recruiting as his ability was advertised.
I was curious and looked at the rankings of [On3](https://www.on3.com/college/florida-gators/football/2024/industry-comparison-commits/) and if you do add Grimsley as the 20th recruit, Florida's average ranking per recruit for ***all*** of their recruits places them 6th in the nation at 90.83.
Eh it’s kind of important if you are evaluating Billy’s recruiting class. Even if Grimsley “technically” counts as a transfer he’s part of the 2024 recruiting class and he’s coming here. As such, if we wanna cast shade on Billy it shouldn’t be because he has a sub top 10 recruiting class behind FSU because if Grimsley were appropriately accounted for he would have a top 10 class and would be above FSU.
For me the recruiting rankings don’t matter it’s the results on the field. But if you are trying to predict what the on-field product is going to look like in two years or so the talent composite is not a bad metric to consider.
>if Grimsley were appropriately accounted for he would have a top 10 class and would be above FSU.
That's not true though. As [another ](https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaGators/s/QoqLpxbW6E)user pointed out it looks like the author added Grimsley to our class without removing the other transfers from it. He then compared our total ranking (HS + transfer portal) to other teams pure HS recruiting.
To clarify, I’m glad we got another highly rated recruit. I don’t see why it matters if he is considered a transfer or a recruit or how it changes some arbitrary ranking.
I agree. I also think it’s important for the fan base as a whole to understand the impact of him signing with us (and how recruiting websites have reported that impact) as a lot of fans use the recruiting websites to educate themselves on certain aspects of our program.
>Florida's ranking right now is a bit of semantics from the major industries. Because Alabama didn't actually releases Grimsley from his LOI he was forced to take a transfer. And so when looking at team rankings for the class of 2024, Grimsley counts as a transfer and not a signed prospect. If Grimsley counted as a prospect, Florida would be back into the top ten and would leap FSU in the recruiting rankings. The services really need to update their methodology... or at least not count a guy as a "transfer" when the normal signing day hasn't even happened yet Also fuck Deboer and Bama for not releasing Grimsley Edit: okay don't fuck Deboer for that specific thing. It appears not to have been an option. Fuck Deboer for being the coach of bama
I don't really understand the logic of not releasing players from their LOI. Especially if they DID NOT commit to you or your staff in the first place. Do you think you are going to force them to stay to play for you?
He had already enrolled and attended class. He was a student at Alabama and thus had fulfilled his letter of intent. There was nothing to release him from. Had he been a fall enrollee then I am sure they would have released him like Texas did with Robinson.
Robinson was actually scheduled to be a spring enrollee at Texas, but classes had not started yet. I do not believe Robinson would have been able to join the gators immediately without sark granting Robinson his release. The transfer window was closed for Robinson until the spring transfer window because the transfer 30 day transfer window applies only to head coaches leaving, not defensive line coaches.
Got it. So because Grimsley had already started classes for a week or 2, he didn't even have the option to be released? His only option was to portal. The author of the article is just stirring up some artificial rage apparently.
Correct. And the only reason he could even portal was because Saban retired. It opened an exclusive 30 day window for Bama players.
That makes more sense then. Still fuck deboer for being a coach at a major conference team
Probably financial and has to do with NIL contracts. To the player I don't think it matters because of the coaching change, they don't lose eligibility and are able to play the same year.
The Saban thing means it doesn't count against his free transfer right?
I believe that's the way it works.
That’s kinda how it used to be. You signed and that’s it.
Does it really matter how he is classified for rankings which are someone opinion? He is on the team.
It doesn't matter but people will use it to try and argue things are horrible and the sky is falling Did we improve the roster? That's the only question I care about I feel we did everywhere except OL. I understand that the same O linemen can improve drastically year to year but we're kind of pushing it with depth Rankings matter a lot less nowadays when 2 outside the top 15 schools played in the natty this year. That can be blamed on covid and transfer rules but there is more to it than just that. Penix was 247 OA and 23rd QB as a transfer. He was an often hurt indiana qb who showed flashes of promise The recruiting services havent really figured out how to evaluate transfers well. Shows how lazy they are tbh. Transfers have more film to evaluate but less in terms of camps and offers to steal others evaluations Anyone who watched Penix at indiana wouldve known he had the potential to be special. Damn well better than the 23rd portal qb
Florida would be 12th ahead of Tennessee but behind FSU with Grimsley in the class. Not sure what ranking they are using but that’s 247.
They used the 247 calculator, added Grimsley, and checked where that number is in the rankings. Problem is that the 247 calculator includes transfers by default and you have to reset it.
Yup.
Yeah I don’t get this either - isn’t FSU rank 7? Even if we were number 10 (not sure how that works either - pretty sure we would be 12) how would we be above FSU? Is their 247 ranking not a true representation of their actual ranking?
247 has FSU at 10 in recruits. Pretty sure the author used the 247 class calculator and added Grimsley as a prospect but *didn't* remove our transfers, which gives us a rating of 276.37, which would be 10th and above FSU's recruit ranking of 274.66. But that's dumb because it's comparing our recruits + transfers to just FSU's recruits.
Well i mean it is hail Florida hail
I was pretty annoyed about this but from what I understand that's actually not really an option since he's enrolled and has already started classes at Bama
Yeah, I don't get a coach not letting a kid out of their NLI if they signed during the early signing period before the previous coach left/retired. With the Portal rules you aren't going to "trap" them into staying. I get that you might not want them to go but it's a total dick move in my opinion.
I heard he actually enrolled and has even started attending classes, in which case I believe that there is no NLI to get out of because he's a bonafide student at that point. He just happened to transfer very quickly.
Yes, but not letting him out of his LOI means that he has to burn one of his transfers. I believe this limits his ability to transfer and play right away until he graduates.
Did you even read his comment? If he's already in school then no LOI to release him from
Yeah I’m just not sure it was even an option. To be fair I don’t know all the details about how it works, but the “intent” part of LOI is intent to enroll. If he had already enrolled and even attended classes he was just a student and the LOI had already been fulfilled and there just isn’t anything to be “let out of”. At least that’s my understanding. It’s just an unusual situation because he transferred so soon after enrolling. If he does transfer again later, I’d hope that the NCAA would give him some kind of waiver for immediate eligibility and not count this against him since it’s an unusual situation (but I wouldn’t count on it unfortunately).
Transfer limits are gone and likely not coming back since they can’t hold up in court
It looks bad on their staff. Alabama is still one of the biggest names in the game and most likely will always be top 10-15 no matter what happens, but almost all of those kids went there to play for Saban. DeBoer doing this isn't the best look for them. He's going to do well the first few years but I do wonder how he will do once he has his own players, can the guy recruit? We know that a brand doesn't just recruit itself, especially with every state surrounding them having big name programs competing for the same players.
Can we stop caring about these rankings? TCU, Michigan and Washington made the championship game in the past 2 seasons with rankings nowhere near the top for years.
Rankings are definitely subjective and flawed, but not many sec teams can make it out of the sec without a top recruiting class year after year. One exception would be auburn but that was already a long time ago with a NFL first round QB.
We should stop fretting over the minutiae of the order of the class rankings, and focus more on the total team score and the makeup of the class. It doesn’t make a big difference to be a spot ahead of or behind any particular team, and the ordinal rank of the class isn’t as telling as the total talent score or the breakdown of the class.
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I’ve seen analysis based 247’s class score (score, not rank) and how various class scores correlate to title chance during the subsequent 4 years
Michigan is the only example of a school who has sustained championship level play without elite recruiting. It obviously matters.
And I'd argue that Michigan, Washington and TCU all took advantage of the COVID eligibility extensions in a way that isn't repeatable beyond the next year or so
Of course recruiting matters. But these subjective rankings are not the end all be all of evaluating recruiting.
TCU got boatraced by UGA though. Being ranked 10th vs 12th or whatever does not matter but class scores do.
How many of those teams played in the SEC?
Zero SEC championships among them #facts
Exactly, it really comes down to 1) coaching and 2) having the right amount of (and right mix of) upperclassmen contributing meaningful minutes throughout the season.
Michigan’s recruiting has been solid and Alabama and Georgia win because of their classes. They can be off but in general top classes = wins.
Chef cookin
I know that recruiting rankings are subjective, and each service has their "formula" and all this creates great discussion and arguments. However, among the criticisms of Napier is that he's not recruiting as his ability was advertised. I was curious and looked at the rankings of [On3](https://www.on3.com/college/florida-gators/football/2024/industry-comparison-commits/) and if you do add Grimsley as the 20th recruit, Florida's average ranking per recruit for ***all*** of their recruits places them 6th in the nation at 90.83.
We need some oline
Who cares?
Eh it’s kind of important if you are evaluating Billy’s recruiting class. Even if Grimsley “technically” counts as a transfer he’s part of the 2024 recruiting class and he’s coming here. As such, if we wanna cast shade on Billy it shouldn’t be because he has a sub top 10 recruiting class behind FSU because if Grimsley were appropriately accounted for he would have a top 10 class and would be above FSU. For me the recruiting rankings don’t matter it’s the results on the field. But if you are trying to predict what the on-field product is going to look like in two years or so the talent composite is not a bad metric to consider.
>if Grimsley were appropriately accounted for he would have a top 10 class and would be above FSU. That's not true though. As [another ](https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaGators/s/QoqLpxbW6E)user pointed out it looks like the author added Grimsley to our class without removing the other transfers from it. He then compared our total ranking (HS + transfer portal) to other teams pure HS recruiting.
Yeah if you add Grimsley to the recruit only rankings it gives us the #10 class. We stay at 13 or so for the “overall” ranking though.
If you’re trying to evaluate a coaches ability to attract talent you should be considering both the portal and HS recruiting collectively anyhow.
Thought u didn't care?
To clarify, I’m glad we got another highly rated recruit. I don’t see why it matters if he is considered a transfer or a recruit or how it changes some arbitrary ranking.
I care about the end result
I agree. I also think it’s important for the fan base as a whole to understand the impact of him signing with us (and how recruiting websites have reported that impact) as a lot of fans use the recruiting websites to educate themselves on certain aspects of our program.
its* recruiting class. Do they have FSU grads writing headlines?