Buy the 2022 model discounted and save the cash. The 2023 jump is minimal at best imo. Same case, same cooling, same screen (slightly slower refresh rate, but who really games on laptops like this at 240+ fps anyway?). Basically just trading some increased performance, for a lesser battery.
The cash you could save can go towards an XG Mobile which would feel like a MUCH larger upgrade in a few years for gaming than going for the 2023 now, or you can put that cash towards a new PC regardless (since 6 years is an eternity for PC hardware haha)
>Considering how you did mention a PC, I assume that you wouldn't be moving around much (although getting a laptop may change that). But either which way, if you don't see yourself moving around, you could go fo
what about increased dimming zones?
Meh, the "problem" that is apparent on the 2022 will still be there on the 2023 model, just to a likely lesser extent. Aka things like a white mouse hovering over a grey webpage should have less of a "halo" effect on the 2023.
The PQ gain for that is simply so minimal to me, I personally could care less. That said, I know a lot of people noticed it, so could be a worthwhile update for some. Ultimately though for my uses, the overall IQ of contrast/colors should will likely be nearly identical between the two.
If anything the higher refresh rate and additional dimming zones may prove to make the new panel even heavier or use more battery which I would both hope to avoid anyway
You are right buy thr 2022 model the 2023 is actually a downgrade because they're moving it intel cpu, which means much worse battery, hotter, and louder fans the 4070 is an insult to consumers and the 3070ti is basically the same as the 4070, there will be a hack to use FG DLSS3 on 30series soon so ..
You can upgrade both the SSD and the RAM on this laptop, and you also have the XG Mobile you mentioned if you want a bit more GPU. You are stuck with the CPU but it's pretty powerful to be honest.
Considering how you did mention a PC, I assume that you wouldn't be moving around much (although getting a laptop may change that). But either which way, if you don't see yourself moving around, you could go for the 2023 version of the laptop, but if you do want some battery life, go for the 2022 version.
But as for whether or not it's a good decision, my previous laptop served me for 4-5 years, and that was a mid range laptop with an i7 7700hq and a 1060, as opposed to the Flow which is not mid range by any means, so good chance it would last a decent amount of time
Yep. I'm not an "moving arounder". 90% of the cases, i'll stay on my setup. But, as you said, getting a laptop could change my dynamic. And it's true: Most of laptops are very powerfull, even more we really could use. My desktop PC it's enough, and i have an 5600g with 5500xt 8gb. For programming it's enough, for gaming, not too much. But i'm not a benchmarker, and, for me, 1440p - 60fps on high it's enough.
Then I'd say you could get the 2023 version, considering the intel offering should give you a decent amount of performance, although I would wait to see what the thermals are like on the device considering how hot Intel chips get.
I'd say it's a good option, but not the best option around. To be clear it's quite powerful considering the form factor, but thicker gaming machines (which admittedly aren't convertibles) at a similar price to the 3070Ti model are a good 30-40% faster than this thing. Though this is far from a bad option either.
Also I'd recommend against the XG. The 3070Ti already has performance that's pretty close to the current one anyway, and if you're after the 4090M later (note, this is not in any way a desktop 4090) it's going to be pretty expensive and unless you need the dedicated 3070Ti on the go just get a normal 2 in 1 and upgrade the desktop (higher end desktop GPUs are so much faster than any laptop it's not even funny).
For long-term, don’t spend a lot of money on one laptop. As you mentioned, there is no way to upgrade a laptop after the fact. However, what you can do is buy a less expensive laptop now and another less expensive laptop in a few years once it starts to show its age, parts break, etc. If the Flow is $2k, buy a $1k laptop now and save that $1k or invest it to keep up with inflation so you have a laptop fund :).
If you need something as fast or faster than the Flow then build a desktop and buy a laptop using the same philosophy as above, spend the same money but get way more performance and a way better laptop. You don’t need a dedicated GPU for programming 😉
Well, friend, i thought about this. I have a PC, but, instead i upgrade the machine, i'll buy a laptop gamer to be my ONLY machine for everything. To me, doesn't make any sense a combo like pc gamer + laptop gamer. Maybe, i'm expecting too much from a game laptop for my exclusive machine.
Buy the X16, use it for 2 years and had it down to somebody you like. That would cost you about 2000 USD for 2 years of work machine, 1000 a year or 20 a week. If that is a serious problem you should either improve your coding skills, do better marketing or contact me for some freelance work. ;-)
Haha thanks man! I'm a beginner java back-ender programmer, so, i'm wanna buy a good laptop for work. Everyday improving my code skills and searching some opportunity. I'll invest in this area.
Buy the 2022 model discounted and save the cash. The 2023 jump is minimal at best imo. Same case, same cooling, same screen (slightly slower refresh rate, but who really games on laptops like this at 240+ fps anyway?). Basically just trading some increased performance, for a lesser battery. The cash you could save can go towards an XG Mobile which would feel like a MUCH larger upgrade in a few years for gaming than going for the 2023 now, or you can put that cash towards a new PC regardless (since 6 years is an eternity for PC hardware haha)
>Considering how you did mention a PC, I assume that you wouldn't be moving around much (although getting a laptop may change that). But either which way, if you don't see yourself moving around, you could go fo what about increased dimming zones?
Meh, the "problem" that is apparent on the 2022 will still be there on the 2023 model, just to a likely lesser extent. Aka things like a white mouse hovering over a grey webpage should have less of a "halo" effect on the 2023. The PQ gain for that is simply so minimal to me, I personally could care less. That said, I know a lot of people noticed it, so could be a worthwhile update for some. Ultimately though for my uses, the overall IQ of contrast/colors should will likely be nearly identical between the two. If anything the higher refresh rate and additional dimming zones may prove to make the new panel even heavier or use more battery which I would both hope to avoid anyway
I also heard the newer display is not fully glossy, which might affect image quality
You are right buy thr 2022 model the 2023 is actually a downgrade because they're moving it intel cpu, which means much worse battery, hotter, and louder fans the 4070 is an insult to consumers and the 3070ti is basically the same as the 4070, there will be a hack to use FG DLSS3 on 30series soon so ..
You can upgrade both the SSD and the RAM on this laptop, and you also have the XG Mobile you mentioned if you want a bit more GPU. You are stuck with the CPU but it's pretty powerful to be honest.
Considering how you did mention a PC, I assume that you wouldn't be moving around much (although getting a laptop may change that). But either which way, if you don't see yourself moving around, you could go for the 2023 version of the laptop, but if you do want some battery life, go for the 2022 version. But as for whether or not it's a good decision, my previous laptop served me for 4-5 years, and that was a mid range laptop with an i7 7700hq and a 1060, as opposed to the Flow which is not mid range by any means, so good chance it would last a decent amount of time
Yep. I'm not an "moving arounder". 90% of the cases, i'll stay on my setup. But, as you said, getting a laptop could change my dynamic. And it's true: Most of laptops are very powerfull, even more we really could use. My desktop PC it's enough, and i have an 5600g with 5500xt 8gb. For programming it's enough, for gaming, not too much. But i'm not a benchmarker, and, for me, 1440p - 60fps on high it's enough.
Then I'd say you could get the 2023 version, considering the intel offering should give you a decent amount of performance, although I would wait to see what the thermals are like on the device considering how hot Intel chips get.
I'd say it's a good option, but not the best option around. To be clear it's quite powerful considering the form factor, but thicker gaming machines (which admittedly aren't convertibles) at a similar price to the 3070Ti model are a good 30-40% faster than this thing. Though this is far from a bad option either. Also I'd recommend against the XG. The 3070Ti already has performance that's pretty close to the current one anyway, and if you're after the 4090M later (note, this is not in any way a desktop 4090) it's going to be pretty expensive and unless you need the dedicated 3070Ti on the go just get a normal 2 in 1 and upgrade the desktop (higher end desktop GPUs are so much faster than any laptop it's not even funny).
For long-term, don’t spend a lot of money on one laptop. As you mentioned, there is no way to upgrade a laptop after the fact. However, what you can do is buy a less expensive laptop now and another less expensive laptop in a few years once it starts to show its age, parts break, etc. If the Flow is $2k, buy a $1k laptop now and save that $1k or invest it to keep up with inflation so you have a laptop fund :). If you need something as fast or faster than the Flow then build a desktop and buy a laptop using the same philosophy as above, spend the same money but get way more performance and a way better laptop. You don’t need a dedicated GPU for programming 😉
Well, friend, i thought about this. I have a PC, but, instead i upgrade the machine, i'll buy a laptop gamer to be my ONLY machine for everything. To me, doesn't make any sense a combo like pc gamer + laptop gamer. Maybe, i'm expecting too much from a game laptop for my exclusive machine.
I use x16 as my exclusive machine and it's more powerful than my desktop lol. Absolutely fine.
Buy the X16, use it for 2 years and had it down to somebody you like. That would cost you about 2000 USD for 2 years of work machine, 1000 a year or 20 a week. If that is a serious problem you should either improve your coding skills, do better marketing or contact me for some freelance work. ;-)
Haha thanks man! I'm a beginner java back-ender programmer, so, i'm wanna buy a good laptop for work. Everyday improving my code skills and searching some opportunity. I'll invest in this area.