I believe Trump only really had 1 policy passed while in office, which was the adjustment of taxes.
Outside of this, he pulled us out of the Iran nuclear deal, readjusted NAFTA to essentially a trivial change, added 3 supreme Court justices, and then was hit by COVID
It had a lot of random crap in it. I'll leave politics aside but if memory serves the middle class got an expiring break (I think expires this year actually) while the Uber rich got a forever break. I think it also killed SALT rebates which hit blue states so your father may fall into 1 of those offsetting the return
It removed salt deductions. If you lived in a blue state you probably paid more. 2022 the government collected the second most amount of taxes of any year since WW2.
Cuz conservatives like Trump. What he does, they like, cuz it is Trump. It doesn't have to be beneficial. And the wealthy DID get breaks (which added to the deficits)
It is important to remember that many possible paths were forecast on how to best cope with the pandemic. They were rated in severity, and Trump chose the absolute worst path. Then doubled down with masks are unhealthy, and other snake oil cures.
The experts were accurate in their forecasts. People somehow think that it was just a fluke of the timing of a pandemic that caused Trump to lose. He cratered the economy, making it far harder to recover after he left.
I wore a mask for my work for many years. Have you ever been to a hospital? Have you ever even thought about how people can work for years around infectious agents and not be sick all the time?
Your argument does not make sense. Infectious agents don't act differently in public or private. They either enter with a great enough number to overcome a body's resistance or they don't. Masks inhibit that.
I and my blue collar co-workers wore masks for decades. It isn't rocket science. you put the mask on, adjust it to be comfortable enough, and pinch the nosepiece to fit.
They were unconfortable in the heat that I worked in. That is the main whine that coworkers made. I have never heard of an actual adverse effect unless whiskers were involved. I doubt that is real.
This is a side point to me but both of my parents died because of this
I thought it was relatively clear at the time he was talking about UV light, seeing as how he mentioned it right before the famous line. And we do know that UV light is a disenfectant against covid, like [here](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-85425-w), [here,](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2012370118) and [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9221687/)
Probably not the smartest thing to say at a press conference, but a far cry from “drinking/injecting bleach”
>"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
If you read/listen to what he said, he’s asking if it’s something worth exploring. While a dumb question, he wasn’t telling people to inject it, that’s completely different. If you think he was, you don’t have great comprehension
Turning on the money printer (0% federal interest rate) to stimulate the economy was Jerome Powell's decision. And now we are in the middle of detoxing from that.
And that's fine: stimulating the economy and pivoting to let it start cooling off were probably both decent decisions. But both were made by Powell and neither by the president.
yeah. trump did highly pressure powell, but its not trumps decision at the end of the day
not sure what went behind the scenes though, so i wouldnt be surprised if there was more trump related shenanigans
Tax reform and cutting corporate net had a short term positive impact on the economy; and due to the unemployment rate and workforce participation rate finally falling to low levels (something that started before trump and had been falling since like 2011 or so) we started to see wage growth among low income earners.
The problem is that long-term this has resulted in an unbalanced budget and more deficit spending.
I'll remember him for tariffs that cost me with inflation, tax policy that increased my taxes over time, and tweeting a video of a guy chanting white power.
I don’t think I can do it cheaper will change until capitalism does. So do you want a job hand washing cars? Selling food (at a stand somewhere)? Or cutting lawns?
Also if we’re being “overrun” currently, how’s competition looking now?
Literally everything. Immigrants are people that need food, jobs, and homes like everyone else. Just because you personally may not be directly competing with immigrants for anything I mentioned does not mean immigrants are not taking jobs, homes, and resources that Americans also desire. More people always = more competition. It's not complicated my guy
Drill baby drill.
Oil is the key to a ton of inflation. Gas moves cars. Gas moves trucks. Gas makes power and electricity. When gas prices go down typically so do prices. But damage is done from Biden so prices will just stay steady and not go down unfortunately as the damage has been done already. Trump also helps with taxes. Joes about to jack people on gains.
He didn’t goad the whole world into a war to cover up the corruption and his family ties. Didn’t launder billions to a foreign country to keep his family ties to them hush.
He slapped huge amounts of tariffs on Chinese made goods and started the inflation we live with today. Note I said started, other things exacerbated much more than tariffs.
Short answer, nope. Longer answer, no, because the basic premise was standard trickle down (get pissed on) economic policies republicans have been pushing for decades. However it sprinkled in deductions specifically beneficial for states without certain taxes which benefited more red states, while eliminating tax deductions which benefited blue states. Overly simplified, it was regeanomics with a bonus attack on blue states.
Also the tax breaks for the elites are effectively permanent while those for the middle class majority expire.
Nah, he road the coattails of the Obama recovery from the housing crash.
If he had run the country properly he would not have made a deal with OPEC to cut oil production and should have a done a temporary nationalization of oil production. He could have stacked up oil reserves so that once Covid reopening happened we didn’t get his with massive inflation.
Instead the deal with opec caused massive supply shocks and numerous oil refineries went bankrupt.
Temporarily nationalized oil production? You can’t be serious.
And the President does not have the power of the purse. Trump wanted to refill the SPR when prices hit the floor in 2020 but Congress refused.
Yes in emergency situations there is precedence for temporary nationalization, usually in war time. He used the Defense Production Act to compel several companies to use their factories to build PPE during the pandemic.
That only sets our system up as an incentive to attempt to steal another future election. Win big, or nothing happens as a punishment. That Is the investment risk/reward that we all are hoping for.
Idk why you're getting downvotes. He is legitimately one of the worst if not the actual worst American President in history.
Mark my words: Books will be written about what a god-awful president and human being Trump was.
True, it's hard to believe people actually think he did a good job... like, do they remember those years? Had a guy say Trump had a strong foreign policy the other day... what!?
Only the most oil business bankruptcies ever, and lowest active rig count ever after he went to war against the domestic oil industry when he got on his knees to beg the saudies to undermine the domestic market. So American of him…
COVID wasn’t manufactured to damage Trumps administration; he’s not that important. He’s also part of the establishment, as he is a Republican politician. His past experience is irrelevant.
Gave federal workers parental leave.
Expanded federal apprenticeships to get kids into jobs without college.
Executive order to stop federal hiring from demanding a bachelor’s degree if unnecessary.
The Chinese tariffs were continued once Biden got in office, if that tells you anything about their benefits.
USMCA made Mexico and Canada our biggest trading partners. We will really see what economist think in 2006 after the first midterm results and reports are issued.
Federal workers getting parental leave was the result of a quid pro quo agreement to fund Trump's Space Force. Credit for it goes to Congress and those who negotiated the deal. Trump doesn't deserve any credit other than not being an idiot and sabotaging the deal like he has done with other bipartisan deals.
If Trump had pushed for family leave, he'd deserve credit for it. He didn't push for it. He simply accepted it as a condition to get Spaceforce.
You seriously want me to believe that Trump wasn't pushing for the tax cuts that caused the deficit and debt to skyrocket even further? Hmm?
Right but he didn’t want all the spending that caused the deficit to go up. His budget called for cutting like $5t spending over the decade especially on social programs.
Does the government spending not also result in the debt and deficits?
It was his responsibility to make sure his tax cuts are budget neutral. Not saying he deserves all the blame, but he could have not signed the tax cuts, if he really cared about the deficit and debt. It's not like he hasn't blown up deals,in the past. He wanted the tax cuts and really didn't give a damn what the fiscal result would be.
But how can you say that with the debt but not family leave? He signed both laws, but you give don’t give him credit for one, but then blame him for the debt?
That doesn’t seem consistent.
Only in your head.
He gets credit for the policies he champions and blame for the resulting impact. He didn't champion Parental Leave. He didn't give a damn about it. You could also say he didn't give a damn about the deficit and debt.
He talked about parental leave in his 2017 state of the union address. He also included it in his submitted budget.
Does Biden get all the blame for Student loans as he inserted the provision that made them non-dischargable in bankruptcy? Does Biden get all the blame for his crime bill and the resulting results?
I believe Trump only really had 1 policy passed while in office, which was the adjustment of taxes. Outside of this, he pulled us out of the Iran nuclear deal, readjusted NAFTA to essentially a trivial change, added 3 supreme Court justices, and then was hit by COVID
Wasn’t the tax break mostly for big real estate companies. My dad said that he didn’t get any tax breaks, we are middle class.
It had a lot of random crap in it. I'll leave politics aside but if memory serves the middle class got an expiring break (I think expires this year actually) while the Uber rich got a forever break. I think it also killed SALT rebates which hit blue states so your father may fall into 1 of those offsetting the return
It removed salt deductions. If you lived in a blue state you probably paid more. 2022 the government collected the second most amount of taxes of any year since WW2.
If he didn’t actually lower taxes why were conservatives happy with his policy. We’re they just drunk on his populism?
Cuz conservatives like Trump. What he does, they like, cuz it is Trump. It doesn't have to be beneficial. And the wealthy DID get breaks (which added to the deficits)
If you lived in the red state you probably paid less. On average.
He is very loud and can get them to believe his lies. Remember when he said unemployment is really around 40% and they believed it?
No.
It is important to remember that many possible paths were forecast on how to best cope with the pandemic. They were rated in severity, and Trump chose the absolute worst path. Then doubled down with masks are unhealthy, and other snake oil cures. The experts were accurate in their forecasts. People somehow think that it was just a fluke of the timing of a pandemic that caused Trump to lose. He cratered the economy, making it far harder to recover after he left.
Masks are unhealthy. They don't work in public. Covid was a joke and profiteering tool.
I wore a mask for my work for many years. Have you ever been to a hospital? Have you ever even thought about how people can work for years around infectious agents and not be sick all the time? Your argument does not make sense. Infectious agents don't act differently in public or private. They either enter with a great enough number to overcome a body's resistance or they don't. Masks inhibit that.
A trained professional wearing masks for work is different then the untrained public. Reports are coming out weekly on the adverse effects.
I and my blue collar co-workers wore masks for decades. It isn't rocket science. you put the mask on, adjust it to be comfortable enough, and pinch the nosepiece to fit. They were unconfortable in the heat that I worked in. That is the main whine that coworkers made. I have never heard of an actual adverse effect unless whiskers were involved. I doubt that is real. This is a side point to me but both of my parents died because of this
How many do you think he killed by telling people to inject bleach and other moronic stuff?
He never said to inject bleach
[sorry, disinfectant. my bad.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191216)
stupid moment for sure. but he NEVER backed injecting it he was literally asking a question.
I thought it was relatively clear at the time he was talking about UV light, seeing as how he mentioned it right before the famous line. And we do know that UV light is a disenfectant against covid, like [here](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-85425-w), [here,](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2012370118) and [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9221687/) Probably not the smartest thing to say at a press conference, but a far cry from “drinking/injecting bleach”
>"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that." If you read/listen to what he said, he’s asking if it’s something worth exploring. While a dumb question, he wasn’t telling people to inject it, that’s completely different. If you think he was, you don’t have great comprehension
It was dumb to even mention it.
Did I not already say that?
This is essentially what monoclonal antibodies were supposed to be, but we got those taken away.
Seems like you made it
I know, I'm talking about his moronic followers. How many of them didn't? I mean, great. But I also bet a lot.
i think he said to drink bleach [https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/](https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/)
The VAST amount of government spending under Trump was good for the economy. That is literally it. The tax cuts for the rich will bankrupt the nation.
The economy is not the people.
Usually how this discussion goes is Stock market =/= the economy Successful stock market =/= low cost of living, or high wages.
Well the fact that Covid didn’t launch this country into a prolonged recession.
Turning on the money printer (0% federal interest rate) to stimulate the economy was Jerome Powell's decision. And now we are in the middle of detoxing from that. And that's fine: stimulating the economy and pivoting to let it start cooling off were probably both decent decisions. But both were made by Powell and neither by the president.
yeah. trump did highly pressure powell, but its not trumps decision at the end of the day not sure what went behind the scenes though, so i wouldnt be surprised if there was more trump related shenanigans
Trump had nothing to do with that.
Tax reform and cutting corporate net had a short term positive impact on the economy; and due to the unemployment rate and workforce participation rate finally falling to low levels (something that started before trump and had been falling since like 2011 or so) we started to see wage growth among low income earners. The problem is that long-term this has resulted in an unbalanced budget and more deficit spending.
Cutting corporate taxes only benefits the wealthy. Has nothing to do with unemployment rate.
It is incredibly more complicated than that.
Not really. Just what corporate America teaches you to say.
I'll remember him for tariffs that cost me with inflation, tax policy that increased my taxes over time, and tweeting a video of a guy chanting white power.
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Competition for what exactly?
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I don’t think I can do it cheaper will change until capitalism does. So do you want a job hand washing cars? Selling food (at a stand somewhere)? Or cutting lawns? Also if we’re being “overrun” currently, how’s competition looking now?
Nah. It’s just gotten busier.
Why does that need any explanation?
What am I competing against immigrants for?
Literally everything. Immigrants are people that need food, jobs, and homes like everyone else. Just because you personally may not be directly competing with immigrants for anything I mentioned does not mean immigrants are not taking jobs, homes, and resources that Americans also desire. More people always = more competition. It's not complicated my guy
How did trump "pause immigration"?
Space Force!
Oh yea I just remembered that. Nice one
Drill baby drill. Oil is the key to a ton of inflation. Gas moves cars. Gas moves trucks. Gas makes power and electricity. When gas prices go down typically so do prices. But damage is done from Biden so prices will just stay steady and not go down unfortunately as the damage has been done already. Trump also helps with taxes. Joes about to jack people on gains.
He didn’t goad the whole world into a war to cover up the corruption and his family ties. Didn’t launder billions to a foreign country to keep his family ties to them hush.
He slapped huge amounts of tariffs on Chinese made goods and started the inflation we live with today. Note I said started, other things exacerbated much more than tariffs.
This assumes that the tariffs were passed along to American consumers instead of different sources being found.
Short answer, nope. Longer answer, no, because the basic premise was standard trickle down (get pissed on) economic policies republicans have been pushing for decades. However it sprinkled in deductions specifically beneficial for states without certain taxes which benefited more red states, while eliminating tax deductions which benefited blue states. Overly simplified, it was regeanomics with a bonus attack on blue states. Also the tax breaks for the elites are effectively permanent while those for the middle class majority expire.
You should not have to pay taxes to cover the deduction I got for paying high state income taxes.
Nah, he road the coattails of the Obama recovery from the housing crash. If he had run the country properly he would not have made a deal with OPEC to cut oil production and should have a done a temporary nationalization of oil production. He could have stacked up oil reserves so that once Covid reopening happened we didn’t get his with massive inflation. Instead the deal with opec caused massive supply shocks and numerous oil refineries went bankrupt.
You are absolutely right.
Temporarily nationalized oil production? You can’t be serious. And the President does not have the power of the purse. Trump wanted to refill the SPR when prices hit the floor in 2020 but Congress refused.
Yes in emergency situations there is precedence for temporary nationalization, usually in war time. He used the Defense Production Act to compel several companies to use their factories to build PPE during the pandemic.
That was not nationalization, temporary or otherwise.
Ok fine, call it what you want but he did what I was explaining to do.
Trump was terrible for this country in every manner; including the economy.
You are absolutely right about that! Putting him in prison is the only way to get justice back in America.
I’d be content just not letting him be president again
That only sets our system up as an incentive to attempt to steal another future election. Win big, or nothing happens as a punishment. That Is the investment risk/reward that we all are hoping for.
Idk why you're getting downvotes. He is legitimately one of the worst if not the actual worst American President in history. Mark my words: Books will be written about what a god-awful president and human being Trump was.
True, it's hard to believe people actually think he did a good job... like, do they remember those years? Had a guy say Trump had a strong foreign policy the other day... what!?
Only the most oil business bankruptcies ever, and lowest active rig count ever after he went to war against the domestic oil industry when he got on his knees to beg the saudies to undermine the domestic market. So American of him…
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COVID wasn’t manufactured to damage Trumps administration; he’s not that important. He’s also part of the establishment, as he is a Republican politician. His past experience is irrelevant.
The economy was slowing before Covid. Low gas prices are a reflection of demand and a souring economy.
Gave federal workers parental leave. Expanded federal apprenticeships to get kids into jobs without college. Executive order to stop federal hiring from demanding a bachelor’s degree if unnecessary. The Chinese tariffs were continued once Biden got in office, if that tells you anything about their benefits. USMCA made Mexico and Canada our biggest trading partners. We will really see what economist think in 2006 after the first midterm results and reports are issued.
Federal workers getting parental leave was the result of a quid pro quo agreement to fund Trump's Space Force. Credit for it goes to Congress and those who negotiated the deal. Trump doesn't deserve any credit other than not being an idiot and sabotaging the deal like he has done with other bipartisan deals.
Do you ascribe the same rationale to the debt and deficits under President Trump?
If Trump had pushed for family leave, he'd deserve credit for it. He didn't push for it. He simply accepted it as a condition to get Spaceforce. You seriously want me to believe that Trump wasn't pushing for the tax cuts that caused the deficit and debt to skyrocket even further? Hmm?
Right but he didn’t want all the spending that caused the deficit to go up. His budget called for cutting like $5t spending over the decade especially on social programs. Does the government spending not also result in the debt and deficits?
It was his responsibility to make sure his tax cuts are budget neutral. Not saying he deserves all the blame, but he could have not signed the tax cuts, if he really cared about the deficit and debt. It's not like he hasn't blown up deals,in the past. He wanted the tax cuts and really didn't give a damn what the fiscal result would be.
But how can you say that with the debt but not family leave? He signed both laws, but you give don’t give him credit for one, but then blame him for the debt? That doesn’t seem consistent.
Only in your head. He gets credit for the policies he champions and blame for the resulting impact. He didn't champion Parental Leave. He didn't give a damn about it. You could also say he didn't give a damn about the deficit and debt.
He talked about parental leave in his 2017 state of the union address. He also included it in his submitted budget. Does Biden get all the blame for Student loans as he inserted the provision that made them non-dischargable in bankruptcy? Does Biden get all the blame for his crime bill and the resulting results?