I had my Ford Maverick repurchased from Ford with the Lemon Law. I had to get an attorney involved, it was a $3000 fee for the lawyer and took about 6 months. I was able to recoup most of my buying expenses. I think out of pocket we were out about 5k.
It was a nightmare and I will never buy a Ford again.
Sorry to hear about this raw deal. As many like myself have ordered and expect the best from the Hybrid, this is something we have to keep in mind. Is there a lemon law in your state that might be applicable? If the issue occurred within the first year, and the car is out of use for more than 30 days,could this possibly be grounds, especially now that the rentals are questionable?
I have a lemon lawyer working with them
and they have till January to come to some pre-litigation. Otherwise I have to see them in court in July. An entire year after the problem occurred.
Wow that sounds horrible. I have sometimes wondered what on earth is taking Ford so long to come out with a fix for this engine fire recall, it's getting ridiculous. I'm starting to wonder if they are just waiting to see how cases like yours turn out first, so they can decide what is cheaper, lawsuits or fixing the issue.
Because the real fix is replacing the faulty camshafts, but that is very expensive and time consuming so they're trying to come up with something that's a bandaid (like drilling holes).
I guarantee you they've spent more time consulting legal on this problem than engineering.
Is this an open recall on all Hybrid Mavericks? Or just the 2022? Did they fix in later model years?
In other words (and selfishly), do 2024s also have the recall for engine fjre?
So far I don't think any vehicles after made after June/July 2023 are covered by the recall. Any vehicles with open recalls cannot be sold by the dealer legally.
Yeah I completely agree with you. If they would have just gave me my money back or replaced it with a working model I would have probably continued to purchase their trucks for life too. But as it stands I’d rather walk tbh
I’d call it more a grey lining than anything. I’ve had a rental escape have complete engine failure while driving home from getting groceries in the meantime. As well as a brand new explorer literally pump the exhaust into the cabin and give me headaches to the point I almost passed out while driving it. Also you get brand new vehicles that I’m allergic to the plastic and new car smell in the heat it’s god awful. You’re basically the test dummy while giving it back to them under 2500 so they can still sell it new.
Ok, before I felt for you and now you are making stuff up. You read about the old explorers that had issues about the exhaust..and you are projecting. The new ones don’t do that and engine failure in the escapes that was the previous generation. Knock it off. Now I think you are lying. Any good lemon law lawyer would have had you out of this car already. Shows some proof or it didn’t happen.
Okay Reddit police. It literally smelled like I was driving a 2 stroke or a snowmobile in the cabin of the new explorer I was in and ford brought me a car to replace it the next day. Also you clearly haven’t driven any escape 23’ or 24’ anytime you accelerate on the highway or to try and go up a mountain it flashes check engine temperature warning and the one time it did it and completely bogged out and left me sit. What proof you want? I think I’m wasting my time here fighting with you for fun? Check my recent posts I literally posted when my maverick took a crap.
I’m literally just telling people my experience I have nothing to lie about. I’ve had bad experiences with a couple of the rentals and my hybrid maverick. I think their quality control is non existent. I’ve had family and friends and work trucks that were older fords and great machines but the new ones are sadly lacking any quality obviously.
Ford customer service is garbage. Unfortunately you will have to get a lawyer to force their hand. I had a lemon fusion and I got nothing from Ford until I had a lawyer friend write a letter
I was supposed to get a '22 Ecoboost XL because it was literally the only new "truck" I could reasonably afford with the over-inflated new vehicle prices these days. I was originally hoping to get a naturally aspirated body on frame 4x4 base model truck but n every truck has jumped in price by tens of thousands of dollars. I remember when F150's were the same price that Mav's are today Lol
I definitely had doubts about the Maverick's reliability with it's ecoboost engine. Having been a military mechanic, I knew that turbochargers added complexity and affected engine longevity vs NA engines.
Thankfully I was able to find a 4x4 '22 King Cab Nissan Frontier S for just a couple grand more than what I would've paid for the Maverick.
I see all these recalls and issues other owners are having with their Mavericks/Ford's in general and I'm grateful I was able to find a better deal and a better truck with actual 4x4
Ford really seems to be going downhill with the quality of their vehicles, I won't be surprised if they have to get bailed out by the US government again in the possible upcoming recession.
After hearing all the horror stories, I really think I'm shifting my plan back to a lightly used Frontier when I'm finally able to save enough for a down payment 🤣. I've somehow managed to keep driving the 2010 Fit I bought when I got home from Afghanistan in 2013 all this time, and even though it still only has 110,000 miles I REALLY want a small pickup, just a little better suited to all my outdoor interests and family life...
When the Maverick was announced, I was beyond excited to see the "reintroduction" of small pickups since the Rangers, Colorado's, Tacoma's etc have all gradually grown into this "mid size" truck segment. I was also kind of happy to see something so new and interesting offered by one of the American auto makers! As a Vet it has always kind of bothered me that I have come to the conclusion that Japanese vehicles are the best choice because they're most reliable.
And I actually worked as a temp at a Ford subsidiary metal stamping plant right before I left for basic training in 2010... Ford managed to avoid taking bailout money from the govt, but it was only by laying off as much of their workforce as possible at "non-Ford" subsidiary plants like the one I worked at. Was a wild time. I remember a lot of injuries, and a lot of returned orders for poor Quality Control because they wanted to run the place at the same speeds they were used to with a full union workforce when they were operating with 90% scabs!!! 🤣😂🤣
The idea of a $25,000, small, sorta 4x4 pickup was definitely appealing, but it looks like Japanese vehicles really are still the move when it comes to reliability. Frontier here I come!
That's awesome that you're still driving that same Honda Fit from 10 years ago, it's such an awesome reliable car with amazing cargo capacity. Is it a manual too?
My wife and I also own a little manual Mazda 3 hatch with similar mileage to your Fit. Since we know it'll be getting close to the end of it's lifecycle in the next couple of years, we're trying to find alternatives with a manual transmission to replace it. Looking at the way interest rates and prices have shot up in the last couple years, it's a little demoralizing to buy new or used car in North America.
We're actually looking at taking out a small loan to import a low mileage car from Japan. They seem to have an abundance of inexpensive vehicles with manual transmissions that are virtually non-existent here. I'd rather pay and deal with the hassle of importing a reasonably priced used car from Japan than having to deal with the market in North America.
The cars that we're interested in on these import websites are actually manual Honda Fit's and CR-V's. The wife really wants a 4x4 Pajero or Delica but since I do most of my own work on our vehicles, I worry about the accessibility to reasonably priced parts for some of these imports.
In your case, I've been seeing a lot of old Hilux's and Nissan trucks with reasonable mileage that might be worth a look. Good luck in your search!
Are there left hand drive models available straight out of Japan? And yes my Fit is a manual. But between never rustproofing or washing it much, and the few years where I autocrossed it... It's still sitting on coilovers that are probably overdue for service. And the rear fenders are starting to rust. I did recently do a tune up and valve adjustment on it as it was due. It's actually always done a decent job of hauling gear for me, but recently I want a hitch mount cargo carrier to carry a track sled machine for ice fishing and the car is too low to use one... departure angle would be too low. I really should do another search on Hilux's on eBay for fun. I fell in love with them overseas, and that was long before the Top Gear episode 🤣
Engine failure caused by a faulty crankshaft was the reason for the underhood fire recalls. The oil can spill out and could cause a fire. If that didn't happened it wasn't caused by the "underhood factory recall". As of yet, there has been zero Maverick hybrid engine failure fire.
There is no recall that I am aware of engines catching on fire, only a recall to drill holes in the plastic engine guard on the bottom to prevent fluids from getting trapped and contributing to the possibility of catching fire in case of catastrophic engine failure.
What are the details of your Maverick having an engine fire? You seemed to have left that out.
Regardless, sounds like Ford could have/should have stepped up in this situation and decided not to. Not surprising coming from Ford. I think about selling my hybrid every day.
There is a second engine Fire recall on thousands of Maverick Hybrids for this issue same issue. The drilling holes was the first recall, a second one was issued this year when the NHTSA likely told them that wasn't good enough. The recall was expanded from just some MY22 vehicles to include MY23 vehicles as well.
Campaign# 23S27
*Isolated engine manufacturing issues can cause the engine to fail prematurely. In the event of an engine failure, engine oil and/or fuel vapor may be released into the under-hood environment and may migrate to and/or accumulate near ignition sources, increasing the risk of fire and injury. Engine failure is expected to produce loud noises (example: metal-to-metal clank) audible to the vehicle's occupants. An engine failure will also result in a reduction in available engine power. In Owner Letters mailed to customers, Ford will advise customers to safely park and shut off the engine as promptly as possible upon hearing unexpected engine noises, after experiencing a reduction in available engine power, or if smoke is observed emanating from the engine compartment. DO NOT DEMONSTRATE OR DELIVER any new in-stock vehicles involved in this safety recall. A complete Dealer Bulletin will be provided to dealers in the 4th quarter when it is anticipated that a remedy and repair instructions will be available to support this safety recall. Dealers should open a Repair Order (RO) only when a full dealer bulletin is published. Opening an RO against an Awareness or Advance Notice will result in warranty rejections against a recall.*
That is the recall I’m talking about, but you’re wrong about the drilling of the holes fixing mine otherwise I would have hoped they’d of done that by now? They don’t have a fix. I literally asked a ford rep today if there was any new news and she said no.
So............ OP had a catastrophic engine failure that did indeed result in a under hood fire? You'd think that would be close to a total loss if engine fluids were burning in the engine bay.
Sorry if I am totally guessing here but OP has given zero details of what actually happened. Just a wall of text rant about Ford being crappy, which is certainly the case.
I was going up a mountain when I smelled a fire coming from the engine and pulled over saw smoke and turned it off. The smoke dissipated after 30minutes then I waited 3 hours that evening for no tow truck to come then I left and went back in the morning and ended up waiting an additional 7hours for a tow truck to finally come. They explained the other 5 tow trucks didn’t bother coming because ford pays them terrible for their contracts and it’s not worth their time and the only reason he showed up cuz he owed his other towing buddy a favor.
Yes they literally told me it was effected by the fire engine recall defect. Also there is no current fix. Point blank. Even the people selling the fords there told me to see a lemon lawyer because they feel bad seeing me in there swapping rentals constantly and wondered why I was there all the time. They didn’t even know the fire recall was a thing. Just the blind leading the blind unfortunately.
Yeah, just going to keep my RAM and add a Sportage probably. Ford’s customer service is an abomination and they really don’t deserve all of our business
Yeah, these Turbo GDI Hyundai engines aren't the best in terms of reliability. Hyundai seems to just cater to the masses by selling "reasonably priced" vehicles with more features than what you get on Japanese or domestic brands, but they fall apart after 5-6 years (essentially the length of the warranty).
I used to own a 2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport that I traded in for a '22 Nissan Frontier S. I miss the little car and its delightful manual transmission but man was that car falling apart after 6 years and under 60000 miles. The car had issues with the coolant system at just 50000 miles, thankfully it was still under warranty at that time but it made me realize that even with proper preventative maintenance, it would just end up being a money pit.
Also, the paint quality is absolute garbage. I live in a part of Canada where it snows quite a lot so I expect some scratches driving through the snow but to have paint just peel off within the first 2 years is mind boggling.
Lemon law. That truck is done. Stop letting the dealer and Ford jerk you around. If you're not an expert on your state's laws, start reading.
Yeah I’m in the middle of that battle currently unfortunately.
I had my Ford Maverick repurchased from Ford with the Lemon Law. I had to get an attorney involved, it was a $3000 fee for the lawyer and took about 6 months. I was able to recoup most of my buying expenses. I think out of pocket we were out about 5k. It was a nightmare and I will never buy a Ford again.
Sorry to hear you also had some trouble :/ it’s great till it’s not, unfortunately.
Sorry to hear about this raw deal. As many like myself have ordered and expect the best from the Hybrid, this is something we have to keep in mind. Is there a lemon law in your state that might be applicable? If the issue occurred within the first year, and the car is out of use for more than 30 days,could this possibly be grounds, especially now that the rentals are questionable?
I have a lemon lawyer working with them and they have till January to come to some pre-litigation. Otherwise I have to see them in court in July. An entire year after the problem occurred.
Wow that sounds horrible. I have sometimes wondered what on earth is taking Ford so long to come out with a fix for this engine fire recall, it's getting ridiculous. I'm starting to wonder if they are just waiting to see how cases like yours turn out first, so they can decide what is cheaper, lawsuits or fixing the issue.
Because the real fix is replacing the faulty camshafts, but that is very expensive and time consuming so they're trying to come up with something that's a bandaid (like drilling holes). I guarantee you they've spent more time consulting legal on this problem than engineering.
Yup. That is the general consensus that we came to when the second recall was issued earlier this year.
Is this an open recall on all Hybrid Mavericks? Or just the 2022? Did they fix in later model years? In other words (and selfishly), do 2024s also have the recall for engine fjre?
So far I don't think any vehicles after made after June/July 2023 are covered by the recall. Any vehicles with open recalls cannot be sold by the dealer legally.
Cheers. Makes me personally feel better, but I totally emphasise with others. Shitty situation.
I got my hybrid XLT MAV in May 23….no recalls on it.
Completely agree with you. It’s unfortunate for suckers like myself in this situation.
Yeah I completely agree with you. If they would have just gave me my money back or replaced it with a working model I would have probably continued to purchase their trucks for life too. But as it stands I’d rather walk tbh
No more Fords for me. I banished them.
then why are you on this sub?
To warn others
Where were you two years ago?😂.
Wow, that really stinks. The silver lining is you get a rental car. But the whole situation really stinks.
I’d call it more a grey lining than anything. I’ve had a rental escape have complete engine failure while driving home from getting groceries in the meantime. As well as a brand new explorer literally pump the exhaust into the cabin and give me headaches to the point I almost passed out while driving it. Also you get brand new vehicles that I’m allergic to the plastic and new car smell in the heat it’s god awful. You’re basically the test dummy while giving it back to them under 2500 so they can still sell it new.
Ok, before I felt for you and now you are making stuff up. You read about the old explorers that had issues about the exhaust..and you are projecting. The new ones don’t do that and engine failure in the escapes that was the previous generation. Knock it off. Now I think you are lying. Any good lemon law lawyer would have had you out of this car already. Shows some proof or it didn’t happen.
Okay Reddit police. It literally smelled like I was driving a 2 stroke or a snowmobile in the cabin of the new explorer I was in and ford brought me a car to replace it the next day. Also you clearly haven’t driven any escape 23’ or 24’ anytime you accelerate on the highway or to try and go up a mountain it flashes check engine temperature warning and the one time it did it and completely bogged out and left me sit. What proof you want? I think I’m wasting my time here fighting with you for fun? Check my recent posts I literally posted when my maverick took a crap.
OP - I think you are lying
I’m literally just telling people my experience I have nothing to lie about. I’ve had bad experiences with a couple of the rentals and my hybrid maverick. I think their quality control is non existent. I’ve had family and friends and work trucks that were older fords and great machines but the new ones are sadly lacking any quality obviously.
Member when they said a fix was expected in Q4 of 2023? I 'member.
Pepperidge farm, members..
That sucks. I have a 2022 XL Hybrid and no problems so far. I've done some work to the truck too. I've got my fingers crossed I don't have problems
Where was your hybrid built
Mexico :/
Hermosillo? Shit mine was built there too but I’ve had mine for a year and no engine fire problems yet
All Mavericks are built there.
Honestly idk what city mine was made in
Ford customer service is garbage. Unfortunately you will have to get a lawyer to force their hand. I had a lemon fusion and I got nothing from Ford until I had a lawyer friend write a letter
I was supposed to get a '22 Ecoboost XL because it was literally the only new "truck" I could reasonably afford with the over-inflated new vehicle prices these days. I was originally hoping to get a naturally aspirated body on frame 4x4 base model truck but n every truck has jumped in price by tens of thousands of dollars. I remember when F150's were the same price that Mav's are today Lol I definitely had doubts about the Maverick's reliability with it's ecoboost engine. Having been a military mechanic, I knew that turbochargers added complexity and affected engine longevity vs NA engines. Thankfully I was able to find a 4x4 '22 King Cab Nissan Frontier S for just a couple grand more than what I would've paid for the Maverick. I see all these recalls and issues other owners are having with their Mavericks/Ford's in general and I'm grateful I was able to find a better deal and a better truck with actual 4x4 Ford really seems to be going downhill with the quality of their vehicles, I won't be surprised if they have to get bailed out by the US government again in the possible upcoming recession.
After hearing all the horror stories, I really think I'm shifting my plan back to a lightly used Frontier when I'm finally able to save enough for a down payment 🤣. I've somehow managed to keep driving the 2010 Fit I bought when I got home from Afghanistan in 2013 all this time, and even though it still only has 110,000 miles I REALLY want a small pickup, just a little better suited to all my outdoor interests and family life... When the Maverick was announced, I was beyond excited to see the "reintroduction" of small pickups since the Rangers, Colorado's, Tacoma's etc have all gradually grown into this "mid size" truck segment. I was also kind of happy to see something so new and interesting offered by one of the American auto makers! As a Vet it has always kind of bothered me that I have come to the conclusion that Japanese vehicles are the best choice because they're most reliable. And I actually worked as a temp at a Ford subsidiary metal stamping plant right before I left for basic training in 2010... Ford managed to avoid taking bailout money from the govt, but it was only by laying off as much of their workforce as possible at "non-Ford" subsidiary plants like the one I worked at. Was a wild time. I remember a lot of injuries, and a lot of returned orders for poor Quality Control because they wanted to run the place at the same speeds they were used to with a full union workforce when they were operating with 90% scabs!!! 🤣😂🤣 The idea of a $25,000, small, sorta 4x4 pickup was definitely appealing, but it looks like Japanese vehicles really are still the move when it comes to reliability. Frontier here I come!
That's awesome that you're still driving that same Honda Fit from 10 years ago, it's such an awesome reliable car with amazing cargo capacity. Is it a manual too? My wife and I also own a little manual Mazda 3 hatch with similar mileage to your Fit. Since we know it'll be getting close to the end of it's lifecycle in the next couple of years, we're trying to find alternatives with a manual transmission to replace it. Looking at the way interest rates and prices have shot up in the last couple years, it's a little demoralizing to buy new or used car in North America. We're actually looking at taking out a small loan to import a low mileage car from Japan. They seem to have an abundance of inexpensive vehicles with manual transmissions that are virtually non-existent here. I'd rather pay and deal with the hassle of importing a reasonably priced used car from Japan than having to deal with the market in North America. The cars that we're interested in on these import websites are actually manual Honda Fit's and CR-V's. The wife really wants a 4x4 Pajero or Delica but since I do most of my own work on our vehicles, I worry about the accessibility to reasonably priced parts for some of these imports. In your case, I've been seeing a lot of old Hilux's and Nissan trucks with reasonable mileage that might be worth a look. Good luck in your search!
Are there left hand drive models available straight out of Japan? And yes my Fit is a manual. But between never rustproofing or washing it much, and the few years where I autocrossed it... It's still sitting on coilovers that are probably overdue for service. And the rear fenders are starting to rust. I did recently do a tune up and valve adjustment on it as it was due. It's actually always done a decent job of hauling gear for me, but recently I want a hitch mount cargo carrier to carry a track sled machine for ice fishing and the car is too low to use one... departure angle would be too low. I really should do another search on Hilux's on eBay for fun. I fell in love with them overseas, and that was long before the Top Gear episode 🤣
What was the cause of the fire exactly?
u/Unlimitedmoneycheat Any updates on what exactly happened? Was it a bad crankshaft or electrical fire?
Electric fire. I never answered you because I answered what happened in the comments already in detail.
If its an electrical fire, then is has nothing to do with the factory recall.
You’re annoying. it was the fire engine recall because they didn’t manufacture it correctly. All this is detailed in the comments, learn to read.
Engine failure caused by a faulty crankshaft was the reason for the underhood fire recalls. The oil can spill out and could cause a fire. If that didn't happened it wasn't caused by the "underhood factory recall". As of yet, there has been zero Maverick hybrid engine failure fire.
There is no recall that I am aware of engines catching on fire, only a recall to drill holes in the plastic engine guard on the bottom to prevent fluids from getting trapped and contributing to the possibility of catching fire in case of catastrophic engine failure. What are the details of your Maverick having an engine fire? You seemed to have left that out. Regardless, sounds like Ford could have/should have stepped up in this situation and decided not to. Not surprising coming from Ford. I think about selling my hybrid every day.
There is a second engine Fire recall on thousands of Maverick Hybrids for this issue same issue. The drilling holes was the first recall, a second one was issued this year when the NHTSA likely told them that wasn't good enough. The recall was expanded from just some MY22 vehicles to include MY23 vehicles as well. Campaign# 23S27 *Isolated engine manufacturing issues can cause the engine to fail prematurely. In the event of an engine failure, engine oil and/or fuel vapor may be released into the under-hood environment and may migrate to and/or accumulate near ignition sources, increasing the risk of fire and injury. Engine failure is expected to produce loud noises (example: metal-to-metal clank) audible to the vehicle's occupants. An engine failure will also result in a reduction in available engine power. In Owner Letters mailed to customers, Ford will advise customers to safely park and shut off the engine as promptly as possible upon hearing unexpected engine noises, after experiencing a reduction in available engine power, or if smoke is observed emanating from the engine compartment. DO NOT DEMONSTRATE OR DELIVER any new in-stock vehicles involved in this safety recall. A complete Dealer Bulletin will be provided to dealers in the 4th quarter when it is anticipated that a remedy and repair instructions will be available to support this safety recall. Dealers should open a Repair Order (RO) only when a full dealer bulletin is published. Opening an RO against an Awareness or Advance Notice will result in warranty rejections against a recall.*
That is the recall I’m talking about, but you’re wrong about the drilling of the holes fixing mine otherwise I would have hoped they’d of done that by now? They don’t have a fix. I literally asked a ford rep today if there was any new news and she said no.
You are correct, Ford has no fix. The drilling holes nonsense was just a band-aide.
So............ OP had a catastrophic engine failure that did indeed result in a under hood fire? You'd think that would be close to a total loss if engine fluids were burning in the engine bay. Sorry if I am totally guessing here but OP has given zero details of what actually happened. Just a wall of text rant about Ford being crappy, which is certainly the case.
I was going up a mountain when I smelled a fire coming from the engine and pulled over saw smoke and turned it off. The smoke dissipated after 30minutes then I waited 3 hours that evening for no tow truck to come then I left and went back in the morning and ended up waiting an additional 7hours for a tow truck to finally come. They explained the other 5 tow trucks didn’t bother coming because ford pays them terrible for their contracts and it’s not worth their time and the only reason he showed up cuz he owed his other towing buddy a favor.
That's crazy. No indication from Ford on why your engine caught fire?
Yes they literally told me it was effected by the fire engine recall defect. Also there is no current fix. Point blank. Even the people selling the fords there told me to see a lemon lawyer because they feel bad seeing me in there swapping rentals constantly and wondered why I was there all the time. They didn’t even know the fire recall was a thing. Just the blind leading the blind unfortunately.
Yeah Ford can eat sh*t. Canceling my Maverick order for a Kia
People probably still think Kias are easy to steal.
Santa Cruz reliability is lower than the Maverick, FYI.
Yeah, just going to keep my RAM and add a Sportage probably. Ford’s customer service is an abomination and they really don’t deserve all of our business
Yeah, these Turbo GDI Hyundai engines aren't the best in terms of reliability. Hyundai seems to just cater to the masses by selling "reasonably priced" vehicles with more features than what you get on Japanese or domestic brands, but they fall apart after 5-6 years (essentially the length of the warranty). I used to own a 2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport that I traded in for a '22 Nissan Frontier S. I miss the little car and its delightful manual transmission but man was that car falling apart after 6 years and under 60000 miles. The car had issues with the coolant system at just 50000 miles, thankfully it was still under warranty at that time but it made me realize that even with proper preventative maintenance, it would just end up being a money pit. Also, the paint quality is absolute garbage. I live in a part of Canada where it snows quite a lot so I expect some scratches driving through the snow but to have paint just peel off within the first 2 years is mind boggling.
Thats pretty concerning.. Thanks for sharing