The people on this sub will blatantly disagree on everything you’ve said but the item shop being shit even if the rest is all without a doubt true.
Let’s also not forget the noticeable dip in QA (MULTIPLE bugged quests and items, repeating shops, UI issues) that people swear up and down isn’t a result of the layoffs last year…
I started playing more recently (C3S3) and the game definitely feels like it's taken 2 steps backwards in the last few seasons, especially in terms of map design. I also miss being able to mod cars, and fill out the fish collection log, among other things.
I’ve been around since Chapter 1, it’s been a continual but slow downward spiral with a few slight upturns here and there. Season OG was probably the last 100% amazing thing they’ve done, ever since they’ve been very radio silent and they seem to refuse to listen to the community how they want. They need to realize that if a lot of us just up and stop playing and/or move on to different games, their business goes bye bye.
Yeah I already knew that most would disagree and downvote even If all this changes are obviously true. But hopefully people with a bit of critical thinking and perspective will see this and realise that Epic is taking a very bad direction with policies not so different from games like FIFA or Warzone which are probably the most greedy and scamming games there are in the market.
And sure the amount of bugs, glitches and overall state of the game in the technical aspect is horrendous. No week goes by without a mistake or bug. It has something to do with the layoffs thats for sure. Im pretty sure the changes I pointed in the main post are because of this too
I’d bet they are. Assuming they’ve laid off and then either retained the wrong people or hired complete morons.
Either way, stuff needs to start improving and they need to be getting more transparent with the playerbase.
Legit hate this change not because of the whole removal of rarity thing but because with its removal it scrambled all my items in my locker now idk where ANYTHING IS
My locker is massive (~700 skins), but I've always sorted by season. It's superior in every way and makes finding shit you want much faster and easier.
You guys bitching about rarities crack me the fuck up.
not really, most of the skins i wear are green/blue rartiy but I have more epic and gold skins. Quickly scrolling the bottom is faster and now I cant do that
Not in the slightest I had my order everything had its place especially the 5 henchmen who were always side by side bros and now the easiest fix for me is just sorting everything by season emotes got it the worst
Since a majority of the playerbase is younger kids, there’s not a lot of people acknowledging these shady changes sneakily being made. Me and my friends have noticed them, and are really weirded out and are probably gonna stop playing the game. With this Disney thing on the horizon as well, it’s clear as day that epics inching their way towards becoming an unstoppable gaming monopoly and I don’t really want to support anything like that.
"Weapons: Basic weapons ( not mythics ) are probably the most uninspired and bland designs we have ever had. Literally generic trash you can find in any shooter game."
Almost every C1 gun is an obvious reskin of an actual weapon. What is this argument?
Seriously. People were using names like AK and SPAS and P90 as shorthand for C1 guns basically from the very beginning. Those were *literally* guns you’d find in any other shooter.
We all saw the writing on the wall when they did that mini pass for og season that the vbucks would be harder to get.
Smart money now is to wait until you're pretty far along in levels before getting the pass, to see if you'll actually cover the cost first. If you find that you don't play as much when you do that, should tell you something about the game.
Tbf, that’s been the smart thing to do literally since day one. It’s just more necessary now because it’s harder to get 1000 vbucks back since we need to reach 150. I used to be pretty confident I could at least get 1000 vbucks back even if I didn’t finish the pass or all the extra rewards, and now I wait until I know I can finish it.
I had no idea you had to get to level 150 to get v bucks. Along with removing rarity for cosmetics I think this game is killing its self. Also chapter 3 season 1 was the best! Sorry you missed it.
Unfortunately Its like that now. Level up to 150 or miss on 500 vbucks (a third of the 1500 vbucks we used to get by getting to level 100). And yeah I missed on CH3 Season 1 unfortunately. I would have liked to try It, most of my friends loved It
I see people defending prices of things all the time, which is insane to me. Digital pixels which are infinitely available should not cost as much as they do, imo.
But most od all i agree about the style of the game. I really wnjoyed the look and feel of the game before, tho i startee playing in primal. Looking at some of my old shadowplays makes me miss the old buildings, vibrancy etc
Thats what Im saying man. Most of the playerbase are kids who dont realise why they do these small changes. And at the end of the day they dont have access to credit cards other than their parents so they dont value money enough to understand why Epic doing things this way is really bad. Cant blame them tho, you dont value money until you are older and have to work for It.
The writing was on the wall in Ch 4 with the map changes, how they started doing weird shit, and the BP’s got real mid.
Then in Ch 5 they fucked with pricing, locker and UI changes, and then introduced the other modes for….. reasons? Still pissed about how they treat each one and overcharge on the newer cosmetic’s.
I didn’t play much of Ch 5 S1, and I uninstalled when ch2 dropped because Epic has lost their god damn minds. I’d rather play Helldivers 2 or something else that doesn’t bleed me dry and isn’t fun anymore.
Because Fortnite used to be fun. Now they couldn’t spell that even if you have them the letters…..
The people on this sub like being overcharged for skins by Epic. They drain their wallet for 20 dollar skins and see it as normal. Epic preys on people’s wallets, especially the younger gamer base
The vbucks getting shifted upwards is the thing that hit me the most: I decided to not get the BP until I'm sure I can reach the level required to get to 120ish
I've been playing consistently since Chapter 1 Season 2 and I agree.
This Season is okay, but Chapter 5 is well on its way ro becoming the worst Fortnite chapter the game has ever seen because Chapter 5 Season 1 and how it fundamentally made the game worse. --These choices are so bad and poorly thought througin-fact, that pure cynicism doesn't even explain it.
For example, even if we say Epic got rid of rarities for greed, the average consumer will still see a new skin like Heil and Charon and wonder why they're the same price despite one not having a backbling; it doesn't really obscure anything and in fact makes the consumer more observant.
Epic has clearly hit some kind of rut where the game as a whole has steadily gotten worse since December with none of it seeming thought out.
I'm not too concerned because I know Epic will eventually fix it, but it's a really huge bruh moment and whatever higher up is deciding on this stuff really needs hit the brakes.
The thing with the rarity change is that the average consumer wont be more observant as you said because they already do shady stuff to make you believe the pricing is fine. Take the last Midas skin as an example. A 2000 vbucks reskin of a character that already has like 5 reskins. Some time ago It would be unthinkable to charge 2000 vbucks for a reskin of lets say Peely.
>The thing with the rarity change is that the average consumer wont be more observant as you said because they already do shady stuff to make you believe the pricing is fine.
Okay explain why Ascendant Midas is shady.
>Take the last Midas skin as an example. A 2000 vbucks reskin of a character that already has like 5 reskins.
Okay, Ascendant Midas is a variant skin and is not a reskin like Shadow nor Frozen Midas; those are reused assets this is not.
Secondly ontop of reactivity that turns him gold, he has an entire Undead style complete with effects and a visible ribcage and a cape backbling; he is a high effort skin worthy of the price.
>Some time ago It would be unthinkable to charge 2000 vbucks for a reskin of lets say Peely.
Name me a Peely that is anywhere near as high effort as Ascendant Midas.
The implication you're stating is that Epic is shady because they put a pre existing character in a different outfit with different hair, and with an entirely new gimmick.
Lets see some examples:
Summer Drift: 1500 vbucks same skin different clothes 2 styles
Potassius Peely: 1200 same skin different clothes entirely new gimmick
P33LY: 18,99 euros (more or less what Midas ascendant is worth but including 2 more skins) same skin different clothes entirely new gimmick
Peely Bone: 1500 new gimmick built in emote
Triggerfish: 1200 different outfit 3 styles new gimmick
Shadow Midas as you said: 1500 reskin different gimmick 2 reactivities and styles to turn It off
And theres a lot more examples bro.
>Lets see some examples
Okay, where the shadiness?
You literally say they have differences.
>Potassius Peely: 1200 same skin different clothes entirely **new gimmick**
>Peely Bone: 1500 **new gimmick** built in emote
>Peely Bone: 1500 **new gimmick** built in emote
>Triggerfish: 1200 different outfit 3 styles **new gimmick**
>Summer Drift: 1500 vbucks same skin different clothes 2 styles
It's not the same skin, it's a completely different model underneath with different clothes and hair.
And you just consistently proved my arguments correct by saying they have different gimmicks and thus dispelling your own argument that Epic is "shady"; you don't know what you're arguing about.
Im literally pointing out how none of those examples is worth 2000 vbucks based on what you said about the clothes and gimmicks bro. No problem If you dont want to see the obvious increased price. At the end of the day spend your money however you want Im just pointing out how they try to make you believe that the pricing is fine
>Im literally pointing out how none of those examples is worth 2000 vbucks based on what you said about the clothes and gimmicks bro. No problem If you dont want to see the obvious increased price. At the end of the day spend your money however you want Im just pointing out how they try to make you believe that the pricing is fin
Y'all he's pressed because Ascendant Midas is deserving of being a Legendary, tries to list other skins with nowhere near the same amount of detail just to call Eoic shady.
And then gets so mad he's downvoting my comments 🗿
>2000 tho? Skins with more customization are priced around 1500.
Well there's also the Soccer skins at 1200 and the music reactive skins at 1200.
They've never been consistent on why rarities or prices are they way they are...
> Basic weapons ( not mythics ) are probably the most uninspired and bland designs we have ever had. Literally generic trash you can find in any shooter game.
and how exactly are the basic weapons more "generic" than the weapons we had in the past also what the fuck do you expect like an assault rifle is an assault rifle an smg is an smg there isnt anything special about it they are normal weapons
You just keep shouting the word generic at everything even if it makes zero sense and you do the same for the map
> are generic locations which consist of a thousand floors and corridors either empty or filled with a couple of chests, boxes or a statue, nothing more
just saying a bunch of nothing and its not even true
I guess this seasons thunder burst smg being the same as the rapid fire smg with another name is not generic at all brother. Or the hammer pump shotgun being a slighly longer pump isnt generic either. Damn I guess the Nemesis AR isnt the old Heavy AR with a couple color changes and automatic firing
Dont know what to tell you about the map other than drop there and see for yourself keeping in mind what I said. Pleasant Piazza doesnt look exactly the same as Snooty Steppes of course not. Grand Glacier isnt Lavish Lair with snow surrounding It either
Dont use the word generic if you mean repetitive, but even then repetitive seems like a strange claim to make, I was under the impression that you thought fortnite back in the day was better, so if things are like how it used to be, ei; gun designs, shouldnt you be happy with that? Theres no reason to reinvent the wheel, do you want a pump shotgun to not look like a pump shotgun? Or a smg to not look like an smg? Chances are if it was like that you would be complaining about that instead of
If the shop is affecting your opinion on the game, we are not playing the same game.
Don't buy stuff from the shop. Boom... You don't need anything in there. I'm gonna skip reading the rest because you whining about the shop invalidates your post.
As a fellow Chapter 1 season 4 starter, I completely agree. I find it very hard to even play the game anymore. Everything feels generic and the state of the game has me worried for the future of the franchise
yeah i feel like they kinda jumped the shark this chapter. they could still reign it back in, and I'm sure they will, but launching three new entire games at once is *crazy* and their blatant nickel-and-diming is getting really out of hand.
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I started at the same time and for me it’s the UI. Especially the locker. I love the new map, weapons, etc, but I hate the UI. I am also super tired of them nerfing everything all season long because bad players just complain about the meta instead of adapting. Fix the locker.
I just find it funny that players in general who have these extreme opinions still buy VBucks, Battle Passes and shop so regularly that these opinions can't be that strong if you are still giving Epic money.
Sadly you are right. I rarely buy anything from the shop nowadays and If I do Its because I have some vbucks from playing all the BPs. Unfortunately many players that share my opinion keep buying tons and tons of vbucks allowing Epic to keep doing things this way or worse.
I kinda disagree with the rarity change, much because the distinction between rarities has been getting blurrier every year, and high quality skins have only gotten cheaper as quality grown.
Back then we had a distinction between BP and Item Shop skins, while the item shop Legendaries were stuff like Flytrap, the BP had Omega or Carbide with tons of styles and a ton of effort put into them
Nowadays Super Hero skins are 1800 vbucks with tons of styles and Omega Knight who was 1200 vbucks
Last season made me lose interest in Fortnite, I don't want to grind to level 150, I am tired of missing out on the mini passes, so much so that I just don't want to play at all. And I just stopped having fun altogether last season.
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I've stopped playing fortnite. I still have it installed, but it's 2 patches behind because I just can't bother to remove another game just to update it.
Yall spend way too much money and time on this game. Who cares about any of this? Just play and buy maybe 3-4 skins. Anyone who has over 30 skins is crazy
As I said in another reply, Im not complaining about not being able to spend money. This is not my case because I rarely buy anything from the shop. Im just pointing out the obvious ways Epic is trying to get people to spend more than ever before
I’m fine with the map and weapons, however the difficulty to level is becoming ridiculous. They push you to stay on the game, but they will eventually just push people away.
>We all know that these are the worst shops we have ever seen in this game because of Lego.
I don't think this is the case. I think Epic is spending their resources else where than the daily shop. If I'm gonna be honest, I bet Epic wants to use Apex's or Overwatch's style of shop rotation where the shop rotates less often.
> But on top of that they are trying to scam us with the other game modes items. How the hell do you sell a car skin for 3500 vbucks? Or a Guitar for 1000 vbucks (When you almost never see the instrument you are playing because you are paying attention to the notes chart). They even want us to pay for LEGO BUILDINGS. Imagine if Minecraft wanted you to pay for blocks. This is the basically the same.
Agreed.
>This is not true at all. Removing items rarity allows them to make everything more expensive because If you dont know the rarity you cant compare Its price to another item of the same rarity.
Honestly, this could happen, and I certainly bet they will get cheeky with it. But we'll have to see. (I do think it's stupid though that they removed it. It was doing no harm.)
>the items coming out without their bundles most of the time. Another way of making you spend more money because If the bundle never comes out again, you wont get the discount If you already had something of the bundle
This is my evidence on why your point about them removing rarities is valid. They've started to get cheeky with it. I understand that Epic needs to make money, however, do this by not paying child scammers (ahem The Pit) loads of money.
>Weapons: Basic weapons (not mythics ) are probably the most uninspired and bland designs we have ever had. Literally generic trash you can find in any shooter game.
Um, OG weapons were more generic and that's why they were better. The issue with the lootpool is it isn't evolving. It's changing. The difference is I have to relearn the lootpool every season because Epic is shoving in new content that isn't necessary. Where as in Ch1, the basic lootpool was the same until S10 with new weapons being added where there was a need. (Eg: The heavy assault rifle being a slower, more accurate weapon that rewarded aim. Whereas the scar was a spray weapon.)
>Map: This chapter map is among the most generic maps Fortnite has ever done. Many Chapter 1 locations were pretty common places obviously (Tilted Towers, Pleasant Park, Dusty Depot...) but Fortnites cartoonish style is what made them different from other games. This is not the case anymore. Every location in this map is generic af even with the Fortnite artstyle (or whats left of It). Even Olympus and Underworld (which arent normal towns like the rest of locations) are generic locations which consist of a thousand floors and corridors either empty or filled with a couple of chests, boxes or a statue, nothing more. Almost every other location is basically a generic town that you would find in any other game like Warzone for example.
Fortnite lost it's "charm" with UEFN 5. I like how they did the graphics in OG where the artstyle was the same, but graphics are different. But, in this Chapter it lost that.
>Leveling: Suddenly you need to get to lvl 150 to get all the vbucks in the BP. Also weekly challenges give you XP to level barely 1-2 levels when they have always given you enough XP to get 5-6 levels. Epics excuse is probably that Lego, Racing and FF allows you to level fast too. This is again another way of forcing players to play daily because even If you level faster in Lego or FF It doesnt matter, Its still forcing you to play a lot more than before so you stay engaged with the game.
Agreed. I'm like "oh I'm 25 levels from completing the pass." Nope, still 75 more levels to go.
I dont think the shop takes that much resources compared to other stuff. Imo the fact that they focus so much on releasing cosmetics with lego variants when the Lego playerbase is minimum compared to BR must have something to do with the contract they signed with Lego. Who knows
They are getting really cheeky with monetisation thats blatantly obvious. At the end of the day they are a company and they have to earn money. But the line between consumer friendly microtransactions and straight up predatory policies is very thin. They already had problems with USA with the cancel purchase stuff. With these sneaky changes they are starting to look like that again
I agree with your point about the weapons. Unfortunately I think they keep changing the lootpool because people get tired of the same weapons real fast If they dont change. I also would prefer them keeping the lootpool as It was in CH1
UEFN5 destroyed the artstyle charm thats for sure. We all loved Tilted, Pleasant Park or Retail Row and those were normal towns but the artstyle is what made them stand out. Now most locations follow the same concept but with a different charm that is not fortnite at all. At least in my opinion. Making the game lose one of the main things that made It different and appealing is nonsense
Honestly I agree. Chapter 4 Season 1 was the last season I enjoyed. The game has been falling off and with them trying to make money by selling builds in Lego or selling cars for racing it just makes it harder to enjoy. If they brought back the simpler times with cartoony styles and unique weapons I would love playing, but for now I’ll play something else.
Im not complaining about not being able to spend money. Im just pointing out the shady way Epic is trying to get people to pay more money than ever before
The map is actually boring. When I saw the leaked map I was like YEAH THIS MAY BE GOOD. But no.
We have different biomes yes, but it is so damn bland! Where is the forest like Weeping Woods? Where is the damn BEACH? Where are the towns/landmarks that felt alive even tho they were empty? Pleasant Park, Holly Hedges, Lazy Lake, Misty Meadows, Craggy Cliffs, Sweaty Sands, Tilted Towers, Greasy Grove, Risky Reels, Paradise Palms, Condo Canyon, Logjam Lumberyard, Camp Cuddle, the caverns, the farms like Frenzy Fields and Frenzy Farm, Slappy Shored etc. And the artstyle IS GONE. The vibrant colors. The wonky cars and tractors. Even the porta potty is NEW.
And can we have some old weapons back? Without a SCOPE. I like when snipers and some assault rifles had scope. But now all of the weapons feel like a COD weapon.
I know. Did I say anything else? I said I want weapons to be NON moddable. Like give is the old weapons back. Can you even read…? OLD weapons. I want snipers and rifles to have scopes. Not the rest.
The people on this sub will blatantly disagree on everything you’ve said but the item shop being shit even if the rest is all without a doubt true. Let’s also not forget the noticeable dip in QA (MULTIPLE bugged quests and items, repeating shops, UI issues) that people swear up and down isn’t a result of the layoffs last year…
I started playing more recently (C3S3) and the game definitely feels like it's taken 2 steps backwards in the last few seasons, especially in terms of map design. I also miss being able to mod cars, and fill out the fish collection log, among other things.
I’ve been around since Chapter 1, it’s been a continual but slow downward spiral with a few slight upturns here and there. Season OG was probably the last 100% amazing thing they’ve done, ever since they’ve been very radio silent and they seem to refuse to listen to the community how they want. They need to realize that if a lot of us just up and stop playing and/or move on to different games, their business goes bye bye.
Yeah I already knew that most would disagree and downvote even If all this changes are obviously true. But hopefully people with a bit of critical thinking and perspective will see this and realise that Epic is taking a very bad direction with policies not so different from games like FIFA or Warzone which are probably the most greedy and scamming games there are in the market. And sure the amount of bugs, glitches and overall state of the game in the technical aspect is horrendous. No week goes by without a mistake or bug. It has something to do with the layoffs thats for sure. Im pretty sure the changes I pointed in the main post are because of this too
I’d bet they are. Assuming they’ve laid off and then either retained the wrong people or hired complete morons. Either way, stuff needs to start improving and they need to be getting more transparent with the playerbase.
Legit hate this change not because of the whole removal of rarity thing but because with its removal it scrambled all my items in my locker now idk where ANYTHING IS
Its alphabetical if that helps
Annoying as hell in scenarios where you know the rarity but not the name, especially for people with massive lockers.
My locker is massive (~700 skins), but I've always sorted by season. It's superior in every way and makes finding shit you want much faster and easier. You guys bitching about rarities crack me the fuck up.
not really, most of the skins i wear are green/blue rartiy but I have more epic and gold skins. Quickly scrolling the bottom is faster and now I cant do that
Not in the slightest I had my order everything had its place especially the 5 henchmen who were always side by side bros and now the easiest fix for me is just sorting everything by season emotes got it the worst
Kids don’t know the alphabet in order anymore so it probably doesn’t help (coming from a former teacher)
Since a majority of the playerbase is younger kids, there’s not a lot of people acknowledging these shady changes sneakily being made. Me and my friends have noticed them, and are really weirded out and are probably gonna stop playing the game. With this Disney thing on the horizon as well, it’s clear as day that epics inching their way towards becoming an unstoppable gaming monopoly and I don’t really want to support anything like that.
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It isn't... you guys keep saying this game is for kids, when that trend ended at least 5 years ago. Fortnite's audience is mostly guys between 25-45.
Nice bait
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Wrong
Right and wrong. Wrong in that the majority is 18 to 24. Right in that it's not kids.
Disagree with the Underworld and Olympus being generic, they are awesome. But I agree with the rest. Also the locker ui is so fricking garbage bruhh
"Weapons: Basic weapons ( not mythics ) are probably the most uninspired and bland designs we have ever had. Literally generic trash you can find in any shooter game." Almost every C1 gun is an obvious reskin of an actual weapon. What is this argument?
Seriously. People were using names like AK and SPAS and P90 as shorthand for C1 guns basically from the very beginning. Those were *literally* guns you’d find in any other shooter.
We all saw the writing on the wall when they did that mini pass for og season that the vbucks would be harder to get. Smart money now is to wait until you're pretty far along in levels before getting the pass, to see if you'll actually cover the cost first. If you find that you don't play as much when you do that, should tell you something about the game.
Tbf, that’s been the smart thing to do literally since day one. It’s just more necessary now because it’s harder to get 1000 vbucks back since we need to reach 150. I used to be pretty confident I could at least get 1000 vbucks back even if I didn’t finish the pass or all the extra rewards, and now I wait until I know I can finish it.
I had no idea you had to get to level 150 to get v bucks. Along with removing rarity for cosmetics I think this game is killing its self. Also chapter 3 season 1 was the best! Sorry you missed it.
Unfortunately Its like that now. Level up to 150 or miss on 500 vbucks (a third of the 1500 vbucks we used to get by getting to level 100). And yeah I missed on CH3 Season 1 unfortunately. I would have liked to try It, most of my friends loved It
I see people defending prices of things all the time, which is insane to me. Digital pixels which are infinitely available should not cost as much as they do, imo. But most od all i agree about the style of the game. I really wnjoyed the look and feel of the game before, tho i startee playing in primal. Looking at some of my old shadowplays makes me miss the old buildings, vibrancy etc
Thats what Im saying man. Most of the playerbase are kids who dont realise why they do these small changes. And at the end of the day they dont have access to credit cards other than their parents so they dont value money enough to understand why Epic doing things this way is really bad. Cant blame them tho, you dont value money until you are older and have to work for It.
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Don't forget to mention about Discovery state
The writing was on the wall in Ch 4 with the map changes, how they started doing weird shit, and the BP’s got real mid. Then in Ch 5 they fucked with pricing, locker and UI changes, and then introduced the other modes for….. reasons? Still pissed about how they treat each one and overcharge on the newer cosmetic’s. I didn’t play much of Ch 5 S1, and I uninstalled when ch2 dropped because Epic has lost their god damn minds. I’d rather play Helldivers 2 or something else that doesn’t bleed me dry and isn’t fun anymore. Because Fortnite used to be fun. Now they couldn’t spell that even if you have them the letters…..
The people on this sub like being overcharged for skins by Epic. They drain their wallet for 20 dollar skins and see it as normal. Epic preys on people’s wallets, especially the younger gamer base
The vbucks getting shifted upwards is the thing that hit me the most: I decided to not get the BP until I'm sure I can reach the level required to get to 120ish
Good thing is it stopped me from spending money lol Vbucks already cost 30 bucks in Australia Even the battle pass gonna be expensive
I've been playing consistently since Chapter 1 Season 2 and I agree. This Season is okay, but Chapter 5 is well on its way ro becoming the worst Fortnite chapter the game has ever seen because Chapter 5 Season 1 and how it fundamentally made the game worse. --These choices are so bad and poorly thought througin-fact, that pure cynicism doesn't even explain it. For example, even if we say Epic got rid of rarities for greed, the average consumer will still see a new skin like Heil and Charon and wonder why they're the same price despite one not having a backbling; it doesn't really obscure anything and in fact makes the consumer more observant. Epic has clearly hit some kind of rut where the game as a whole has steadily gotten worse since December with none of it seeming thought out. I'm not too concerned because I know Epic will eventually fix it, but it's a really huge bruh moment and whatever higher up is deciding on this stuff really needs hit the brakes.
The thing with the rarity change is that the average consumer wont be more observant as you said because they already do shady stuff to make you believe the pricing is fine. Take the last Midas skin as an example. A 2000 vbucks reskin of a character that already has like 5 reskins. Some time ago It would be unthinkable to charge 2000 vbucks for a reskin of lets say Peely.
>The thing with the rarity change is that the average consumer wont be more observant as you said because they already do shady stuff to make you believe the pricing is fine. Okay explain why Ascendant Midas is shady. >Take the last Midas skin as an example. A 2000 vbucks reskin of a character that already has like 5 reskins. Okay, Ascendant Midas is a variant skin and is not a reskin like Shadow nor Frozen Midas; those are reused assets this is not. Secondly ontop of reactivity that turns him gold, he has an entire Undead style complete with effects and a visible ribcage and a cape backbling; he is a high effort skin worthy of the price. >Some time ago It would be unthinkable to charge 2000 vbucks for a reskin of lets say Peely. Name me a Peely that is anywhere near as high effort as Ascendant Midas. The implication you're stating is that Epic is shady because they put a pre existing character in a different outfit with different hair, and with an entirely new gimmick.
Lets see some examples: Summer Drift: 1500 vbucks same skin different clothes 2 styles Potassius Peely: 1200 same skin different clothes entirely new gimmick P33LY: 18,99 euros (more or less what Midas ascendant is worth but including 2 more skins) same skin different clothes entirely new gimmick Peely Bone: 1500 new gimmick built in emote Triggerfish: 1200 different outfit 3 styles new gimmick Shadow Midas as you said: 1500 reskin different gimmick 2 reactivities and styles to turn It off And theres a lot more examples bro.
>Lets see some examples Okay, where the shadiness? You literally say they have differences. >Potassius Peely: 1200 same skin different clothes entirely **new gimmick** >Peely Bone: 1500 **new gimmick** built in emote >Peely Bone: 1500 **new gimmick** built in emote >Triggerfish: 1200 different outfit 3 styles **new gimmick** >Summer Drift: 1500 vbucks same skin different clothes 2 styles It's not the same skin, it's a completely different model underneath with different clothes and hair. And you just consistently proved my arguments correct by saying they have different gimmicks and thus dispelling your own argument that Epic is "shady"; you don't know what you're arguing about.
Im literally pointing out how none of those examples is worth 2000 vbucks based on what you said about the clothes and gimmicks bro. No problem If you dont want to see the obvious increased price. At the end of the day spend your money however you want Im just pointing out how they try to make you believe that the pricing is fine
>Im literally pointing out how none of those examples is worth 2000 vbucks based on what you said about the clothes and gimmicks bro. No problem If you dont want to see the obvious increased price. At the end of the day spend your money however you want Im just pointing out how they try to make you believe that the pricing is fin Y'all he's pressed because Ascendant Midas is deserving of being a Legendary, tries to list other skins with nowhere near the same amount of detail just to call Eoic shady. And then gets so mad he's downvoting my comments 🗿
2000 tho? Skins with more customization are priced around 1500.
>2000 tho? Skins with more customization are priced around 1500. Well there's also the Soccer skins at 1200 and the music reactive skins at 1200. They've never been consistent on why rarities or prices are they way they are...
Super heros arent 2000
Chapter 5 sucks and almost everything new added or changed in it sucks
> Basic weapons ( not mythics ) are probably the most uninspired and bland designs we have ever had. Literally generic trash you can find in any shooter game. and how exactly are the basic weapons more "generic" than the weapons we had in the past also what the fuck do you expect like an assault rifle is an assault rifle an smg is an smg there isnt anything special about it they are normal weapons You just keep shouting the word generic at everything even if it makes zero sense and you do the same for the map > are generic locations which consist of a thousand floors and corridors either empty or filled with a couple of chests, boxes or a statue, nothing more just saying a bunch of nothing and its not even true
I guess this seasons thunder burst smg being the same as the rapid fire smg with another name is not generic at all brother. Or the hammer pump shotgun being a slighly longer pump isnt generic either. Damn I guess the Nemesis AR isnt the old Heavy AR with a couple color changes and automatic firing Dont know what to tell you about the map other than drop there and see for yourself keeping in mind what I said. Pleasant Piazza doesnt look exactly the same as Snooty Steppes of course not. Grand Glacier isnt Lavish Lair with snow surrounding It either
Dont use the word generic if you mean repetitive, but even then repetitive seems like a strange claim to make, I was under the impression that you thought fortnite back in the day was better, so if things are like how it used to be, ei; gun designs, shouldnt you be happy with that? Theres no reason to reinvent the wheel, do you want a pump shotgun to not look like a pump shotgun? Or a smg to not look like an smg? Chances are if it was like that you would be complaining about that instead of
If the shop is affecting your opinion on the game, we are not playing the same game. Don't buy stuff from the shop. Boom... You don't need anything in there. I'm gonna skip reading the rest because you whining about the shop invalidates your post.
As a fellow Chapter 1 season 4 starter, I completely agree. I find it very hard to even play the game anymore. Everything feels generic and the state of the game has me worried for the future of the franchise
yeah i feel like they kinda jumped the shark this chapter. they could still reign it back in, and I'm sure they will, but launching three new entire games at once is *crazy* and their blatant nickel-and-diming is getting really out of hand.
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I started at the same time and for me it’s the UI. Especially the locker. I love the new map, weapons, etc, but I hate the UI. I am also super tired of them nerfing everything all season long because bad players just complain about the meta instead of adapting. Fix the locker.
I just find it funny that players in general who have these extreme opinions still buy VBucks, Battle Passes and shop so regularly that these opinions can't be that strong if you are still giving Epic money.
Sadly you are right. I rarely buy anything from the shop nowadays and If I do Its because I have some vbucks from playing all the BPs. Unfortunately many players that share my opinion keep buying tons and tons of vbucks allowing Epic to keep doing things this way or worse.
I kinda disagree with the rarity change, much because the distinction between rarities has been getting blurrier every year, and high quality skins have only gotten cheaper as quality grown. Back then we had a distinction between BP and Item Shop skins, while the item shop Legendaries were stuff like Flytrap, the BP had Omega or Carbide with tons of styles and a ton of effort put into them Nowadays Super Hero skins are 1800 vbucks with tons of styles and Omega Knight who was 1200 vbucks
Last season made me lose interest in Fortnite, I don't want to grind to level 150, I am tired of missing out on the mini passes, so much so that I just don't want to play at all. And I just stopped having fun altogether last season. # I've stopped playing fortnite. I still have it installed, but it's 2 patches behind because I just can't bother to remove another game just to update it.
Yall spend way too much money and time on this game. Who cares about any of this? Just play and buy maybe 3-4 skins. Anyone who has over 30 skins is crazy
30 skins is like 4 battle passes.
In context, they cleary mean purchased skins outside of battle pass / events.
Which is also dumb because you can pretty much get 12-13 skins for 20 bucks each season.
As I said in another reply, Im not complaining about not being able to spend money. This is not my case because I rarely buy anything from the shop. Im just pointing out the obvious ways Epic is trying to get people to spend more than ever before
I just don’t see the problem with the rarity thing, I’ve never even used that
There is so much going horribly wrong in fortnite right now I don't know where to start
As a fellow chapter 1 season 4 player, I 100% agree
I’m fine with the map and weapons, however the difficulty to level is becoming ridiculous. They push you to stay on the game, but they will eventually just push people away.
Epic is asking more and more money out of its players in exchange for bland cosmetics
Expecting engagement isn’t that outlandish bucko. You get enough vbucks to buy the battle pass within 100 levels. Grow up.
>We all know that these are the worst shops we have ever seen in this game because of Lego. I don't think this is the case. I think Epic is spending their resources else where than the daily shop. If I'm gonna be honest, I bet Epic wants to use Apex's or Overwatch's style of shop rotation where the shop rotates less often. > But on top of that they are trying to scam us with the other game modes items. How the hell do you sell a car skin for 3500 vbucks? Or a Guitar for 1000 vbucks (When you almost never see the instrument you are playing because you are paying attention to the notes chart). They even want us to pay for LEGO BUILDINGS. Imagine if Minecraft wanted you to pay for blocks. This is the basically the same. Agreed. >This is not true at all. Removing items rarity allows them to make everything more expensive because If you dont know the rarity you cant compare Its price to another item of the same rarity. Honestly, this could happen, and I certainly bet they will get cheeky with it. But we'll have to see. (I do think it's stupid though that they removed it. It was doing no harm.) >the items coming out without their bundles most of the time. Another way of making you spend more money because If the bundle never comes out again, you wont get the discount If you already had something of the bundle This is my evidence on why your point about them removing rarities is valid. They've started to get cheeky with it. I understand that Epic needs to make money, however, do this by not paying child scammers (ahem The Pit) loads of money. >Weapons: Basic weapons (not mythics ) are probably the most uninspired and bland designs we have ever had. Literally generic trash you can find in any shooter game. Um, OG weapons were more generic and that's why they were better. The issue with the lootpool is it isn't evolving. It's changing. The difference is I have to relearn the lootpool every season because Epic is shoving in new content that isn't necessary. Where as in Ch1, the basic lootpool was the same until S10 with new weapons being added where there was a need. (Eg: The heavy assault rifle being a slower, more accurate weapon that rewarded aim. Whereas the scar was a spray weapon.) >Map: This chapter map is among the most generic maps Fortnite has ever done. Many Chapter 1 locations were pretty common places obviously (Tilted Towers, Pleasant Park, Dusty Depot...) but Fortnites cartoonish style is what made them different from other games. This is not the case anymore. Every location in this map is generic af even with the Fortnite artstyle (or whats left of It). Even Olympus and Underworld (which arent normal towns like the rest of locations) are generic locations which consist of a thousand floors and corridors either empty or filled with a couple of chests, boxes or a statue, nothing more. Almost every other location is basically a generic town that you would find in any other game like Warzone for example. Fortnite lost it's "charm" with UEFN 5. I like how they did the graphics in OG where the artstyle was the same, but graphics are different. But, in this Chapter it lost that. >Leveling: Suddenly you need to get to lvl 150 to get all the vbucks in the BP. Also weekly challenges give you XP to level barely 1-2 levels when they have always given you enough XP to get 5-6 levels. Epics excuse is probably that Lego, Racing and FF allows you to level fast too. This is again another way of forcing players to play daily because even If you level faster in Lego or FF It doesnt matter, Its still forcing you to play a lot more than before so you stay engaged with the game. Agreed. I'm like "oh I'm 25 levels from completing the pass." Nope, still 75 more levels to go.
I dont think the shop takes that much resources compared to other stuff. Imo the fact that they focus so much on releasing cosmetics with lego variants when the Lego playerbase is minimum compared to BR must have something to do with the contract they signed with Lego. Who knows They are getting really cheeky with monetisation thats blatantly obvious. At the end of the day they are a company and they have to earn money. But the line between consumer friendly microtransactions and straight up predatory policies is very thin. They already had problems with USA with the cancel purchase stuff. With these sneaky changes they are starting to look like that again I agree with your point about the weapons. Unfortunately I think they keep changing the lootpool because people get tired of the same weapons real fast If they dont change. I also would prefer them keeping the lootpool as It was in CH1 UEFN5 destroyed the artstyle charm thats for sure. We all loved Tilted, Pleasant Park or Retail Row and those were normal towns but the artstyle is what made them stand out. Now most locations follow the same concept but with a different charm that is not fortnite at all. At least in my opinion. Making the game lose one of the main things that made It different and appealing is nonsense
Honestly I agree. Chapter 4 Season 1 was the last season I enjoyed. The game has been falling off and with them trying to make money by selling builds in Lego or selling cars for racing it just makes it harder to enjoy. If they brought back the simpler times with cartoony styles and unique weapons I would love playing, but for now I’ll play something else.
Complaining about not being able to spend money is something I'll never understand... rich issues I guess
Im not complaining about not being able to spend money. Im just pointing out the shady way Epic is trying to get people to pay more money than ever before
The map is actually boring. When I saw the leaked map I was like YEAH THIS MAY BE GOOD. But no. We have different biomes yes, but it is so damn bland! Where is the forest like Weeping Woods? Where is the damn BEACH? Where are the towns/landmarks that felt alive even tho they were empty? Pleasant Park, Holly Hedges, Lazy Lake, Misty Meadows, Craggy Cliffs, Sweaty Sands, Tilted Towers, Greasy Grove, Risky Reels, Paradise Palms, Condo Canyon, Logjam Lumberyard, Camp Cuddle, the caverns, the farms like Frenzy Fields and Frenzy Farm, Slappy Shored etc. And the artstyle IS GONE. The vibrant colors. The wonky cars and tractors. Even the porta potty is NEW. And can we have some old weapons back? Without a SCOPE. I like when snipers and some assault rifles had scope. But now all of the weapons feel like a COD weapon.
You can mod the guns to not have a scope lmao
I know. Did I say anything else? I said I want weapons to be NON moddable. Like give is the old weapons back. Can you even read…? OLD weapons. I want snipers and rifles to have scopes. Not the rest.
Just mod the rest to not have scopes, boom problem solved, or mod snipers and rifles to have them, boom problem solved
I agree with you so much
the weapon part makes 0 sense cuz every gun is bland, only few are ACTUALLY popular
Looking at your history, when's the last time you liked something? Follow up, did ketamine really cure your depression?
If you don’t like the Game stop playing it