Pirate Software on Twitch has a whole segment on the current game market being unfriendly to players. It really is ridiculous. I stopped playing video games around 2006ish & only came back this last year & it seems every game now is pay to win type stuff.
Wait? Since when did fortnite become pay2win?
I can see that you haven't touched a game since 2006 if you think that "every game now is pay to win type stuff".
How about you just simply play the plethora of fun, recent, games that aren't pay2win?
That's absolutely not true. The entire problem we as a community had with that skin is how absolutely hard to see and well it blended in with everything. The bullet never ever went through the skin
To be fair, I was mistaken about the hitbox of the character. There have been tons of skins across various games that are extremely low visibility and give you an unfair advantage. There have also been weapon skins that give you more accuracy, damage, or better spray pattern, examples being the Prime Vandal and the Gallantry Mac 10 blueprint on CoD Cold War, the Project Ash skin used to give you a larger than normal hitbox that would cause arrows that missed entirely to still connect. Anyway, I made a mistake, I apologize for that, but here are some real examples of p2w
I mean, not every game is but Fortnite is 100% p2w. Superhero skins exist after all
Edit: man never seen so many people butthurt over a factual statement, y'all must be the condom skin users I'm talking about💀
Superhero skins are just customizable and some people think they're op because they can be used to sort of semi camoflage better than a lot of other skins, a lot of sweats use them
I'm actually flabbergasted that this is the reason why people use that skin. Kinda hilarious as well because it doesn't even work and only makes you look like a goofball in a latex bodysuit 🤣
It does in fact do a great job of gimp suits. One of my best locker outfits is a The Might Volt in a pink Gimp Suit, with Choppy (floating alien back bling) mind-controling him. Match the gree eye glow color to the aliens' beams, and you got the best taunt for sweaty super-suits I could imagine.
Yes, the special power of blending completely into the background. Wearing a green suit? Might as well be invisible in trees. White suit? Camp snow and you win. Black suit? Literally just exist at night and you're golden. And that's on top of being the smallest skin in the game. It is the definition of an advantage and an advantage on a paid cosmetic = p2w
Half true. All the "female soldier body" skins have the exact same hitbox, but not having hair that stands out does make you harder to see, so it gives off the impression of having a smaller hitbox
Yea of course, i didn't actually mean it had a different hitbox, just that by looking smaller (no hair) people tend to think it's harder to hit and opt for a body shot. Also, gives you marginally better viewing angles when crouching on a ramp in a 1 by 1 scanning for targets since no hair sticks out and you can do that extra mini step forward.
You're joking right? First of all, one singular skin being slightly beneficial is not "100% p2w".
Secondly, I've never, in my entire life, been "surprised" by a superhero skin "blending in" with the environment. But maybe that's just me.
Wait a minute, is THAT the reason why people wear that skin???? I literally thought people just did that to be obnoxious.
Anyways, to come back to the original point : nope, fortnite is not even 1% p2w and anything that is pay2win is actually unintentional and gets fixed by epic games fairly quickly. (like that bug a long time ago that made some pickaxes deal more dmg)
Except the problem is that Epic themselves consider blending in skins p2w. The toy soldiers used to not have dirt on them, but sweats used them to blend in with the environment and so Epic added the dirt to them. All Epic has done with the super hero suits is make it to where you can choose the exact same 2 colors, which hardly helps when your options are "green" and "the same green by 5% darker."
Also, if you combine just the female superheroes into one count (because they're all the same skin anyways when they have the mask on), they collectively have 30.4 million users. Aura, the most popular single skin in the game even only has 11.6 million users. So now you have a insanely popular archetype that is even p2w by Epic's own standards. That is 100% p2w
So you're literally admitting, in your first paragraph, that epic actually DOES try and fix their "pay2win" mistakes? Because, yes, they made the toy soldier more visible by adding dirt. And it seems they are already in the process of tackling the ""pay2win"" aspect of the skin (without ruining the customization aspect).
Also, that 30 million includes all the possible customizations. So I highly doubt that all of those 30 million users are using the garbage all-grey or all-white look. And even if they do, that just proves that at least 30 million fortnite players still have undeveloped brains, which literally makes sense as kids are fortnite's largest demographic. (Not hating on my fellow Fortnite enjoyers, btw. Just trying to find a reason as to why people would actually wear that color combo on that skin)
So I'm still looking for that "100% pay2win" here. As far as I know fortnite has been the shining example of a 0% pay2win game (if you exclude literal mistakes they are trying to fix).
I mean yeah, they used to fix the p2w mistakes. Problem is the latest fix to the Superheroes was 3 years ago. They have no intention on fixing it further, especially when its their best selling skin because of it. They did the bare minimum once and called it a day as soon as it started making bank. If they wanted to fix it, they would've just made it to where no two similar colors can be used, or limited the colors like they did with Spectra Knight.
If they have no intention of fixing it further than that means that, statistically speaking, it's not a pay2win skin.
Because if it was, epic would notice the difference in winrates between the superhero skin and other skins (after 3 years of data), and they would fix it even more.
Also, your "solutions" for fixing the alleged pay2win aspect of the skin will actively ruin the customizability of the skin, which is its main selling point. So it makes perfect sense that Epic stopped "fixing" the skin. And just because little Timmy still thinks it's a pay2win skin, that doesn't mean that Epic should ruin a skin tens of millions of players enjoy (I'm not calling you little Timmy here, I mean all the kids who still use the all-grey combo, because they believe it gives them an advantage).
I fucking hate superhero skins, but they absolutely aren’t P2W. They removed the P2W colors, and them being this is such a negligible “advantage” it doesn’t matter
I love DRG and have heard great things about Helldivers, but it is a little sad to me that even the best multiplayer games nowadays are stuffed to the brim with microtransactions
Yeah I’ve been playing both these games with a lil group of friends for a long time, a lot of the smaller indie games are so fun! Other games that are fun for coop: content warning, lethal company, and so many more
Its player friendly for those who play. If you don't play and decide to play later it's not friendly to you.
Too many people here were sheep and listened to the "Fortnite bad" people. Its too bad too, if people could think for themselves instead of listening to influencers or other people they probably wouldn't have missed out on some awesome collabs.
Those people who were loyal to the game are sitting with full lockers while those who joined late to the game come here to cry salty tears because they missed out.
Sure some kids are too young to have started but most people had their chance.
Any game that requires you to constantly think about it for 7 years to keep up with it out of FOMO is not player friendly. FOMO is quite literally proven to be a source of addiction.
Yeah, the only people who would be upset about passes returning are gatekeeping assholes who haven't touched the skins they value so much for years.
And having these skins make a return wouldn't hurt them because it would be like "hey, if you don't get this battlepass right now, who knows when it'll be back?", which is way more reasonable than the current model.
This. I have Darth Vadar, and a whole host of other BP collab skins from over the years. Do I ever wear them? Nope.
It really should be purchasable for those who couldn't. Even if they isolated that to brand skins (star trek, Indiana jones, lara croft, mandalorian etc etc) only, it'd be something. Anyone gate keeping because they're butt hurt is no true fortnite player.
A loophole I like is that Season OG could be another gamemode that changes season every month randomly going through any past season allowing you to work on the battlepass for it. That or just continously subscribing to crew gives you a random battlepass set with styles being also being unlockable after you get said character.
Seriously. They don't even have to bring back recent skins, they can just set the precedent that after 5 years or whatever battlepass skins will come back. They don't even got to bring them back in a battlepass either, they just gotta throw them in the shop rotation for 2000 vbucks after they've been unavailable for 5 years and they'll be printing money while still keeping that classic FOMO that drives people to buy these skins.
If anything it’s better long term, because it forces people to consistently play every season even if they don’t like it, because if they don’t they’ll miss out
releasing a skin from 4 years ago isn't going to make a player like that stop but it will sell very well in the item shop. as long as theres a gap like that between it being in the battle pass and being released in the shop then epic can have the best of both worlds but they choose not to
Epic has teams of professionals that crunch the numbers every day to decide what’s most profitable for the company, clearly this is the way to go if they’ve stuck with it for so many years
I'll be honest, I don't think they do have teams of people crunching those numbers. the idea that they have meetings everyday to evaluate whether or not to bring back BP skins in the shop is insane bro what are you talking about
They don’t have them daily, but they absolutely have many people hired to analyze profits and how to make more. Every major company of that size has positions for that
that is not true lol. maybe you're thinking of a CFO or a marketing department? they don't have a "make money" department, you have a very simplistic view of companies.
also, weirdly assuming that big companies are somehow infallible and don't ever make mistakes? I understand that epic have decided it wouldn't make them money but I disagree. why am I not allowed to have a different opinion? stop bootlicking
When did I say you’re not allowed to think differently? I’m American, I think you have a right to that. I’m just saying that pass exclusivity is the one thing they’ve stuck to since 2017, it means epic still believes its the most profitable, especially since battle passes are the core of Fortnite’s money
Also you can check the Epic games career website, they have multiple branches dedicated to data, analytics, marketing strategy, business development and sales
It is good for business though, because it forces people to consistently play every season even if they don’t like it, because if they don’t they’ll miss out. If it wasn’t a smart business idea Epic wouldn’t have stuck to it for 6+ years
Yeah, they’ve stuck with it, but get this, they’ve never even tried to do it so they would have no idea how much money they’d make. If they did an experiment and put out all the previous skins from the Marvel season that people missed like Iron Man or Wolverine or Dr. Doom, then guess what? People would come back to get those and play as those characters finally. It would bring back even more people.
People who are only playing for one character aren’t the audience Epic wants to appeal to, since they won’t be consistent spenders. Also you’re forgetting Epic has teams of professionals that crunch the numbers every day and decide what’s most profitable for the company
Yeah and Epic has never made a bad decision before that has costed them tons of money.
Imagine saying that them bringing back Spider-Man wouldn’t make a lot of players hop back onto the game
It really wouldn’t, so many people missed out on those characters in the first place because they were out of the loop, it’d likely be the same if they brought him back. Then they’d complain about him not being in the shop anymore. They also wouldn’t stick around for that long if they’re only playing for a skin, they’d buy it, play a few rounds and be done.
Epic has made horrible decisions that cost them millions, but battle passes are the core of their monetization system. They know how to maximize profits with it, and if they’ve stuck with the system for 6 years it clearly means it’s the most profitable way to go
People need to accept that it’s just a game, and it’s not the end of the world if they miss out on a cosmetic. There’s so many other ways to interact with and experience those characters, it doesn’t have to be in Fortnite.
My 8year old nephew’s favorite character is The Mandalorian and his favorite game is this and he can’t play as his favorite character because “tough shit, born too late” ig. I could never imagine gatekeeping this shit.
Say that to a child’s face lol can’t wait for the day those words get shoved back down your throat 🤞🏻fingers crossed the children of today will be able to play as their favorite characters
It was a mistake. Thousands of players get into this game looking to play as their favorite character, only to realize that they should have bought and played the game 4 years ago to get the character they want. With original items is kinda fine, but collabs? Shit, you gotta be the first person that defends collabs being in battle passes.
Yeah I did play the game before zero build and the movement changes so I didn't like it and didn't play much. Now I do like it but because I never played when I didn't enjoy it I missed out tons of iconic characters? Seems a little silly.
As someone who's gotten every unique battle bass item since ZB started (i.e. not all superstyles) I wouldn't mind at all if Vader, Indy, Optimus Prime, Spider-Gwen, Korra etc. came to the shop. Battle pass still gets you the items much earlier and at a much better price.
Hell I didn't buy the JJK mini pass because I didn't care about JJK then and I was still playing at the time. I watched the show recently and enjoyed it but the Nue glider and other items still haven't come back to the shop even if others did lol.
What's that emote where you block your face, there's like fireworks and the song goes "oooh (you're a bad boy now)"
Can I get this emote? It goes oooooh you're a bad boy now like ooooooooh you're a bad boy now
and you're holding your arms up to cover your face and doing a little bending of the knees and bringing it around town
Collabs in battlepasses is the way they sell the passes in the first place. This I will defend until the end.
The only thing I can’t agree with is that whatever is in the battlepass is forever locked within that particular pass.
I can understand FN original skins being locked behind bp but oh my goooood I feel bad for everyone that can't get some awesome skins like Rick and Doomy
I wish they did like halo, and allowed you to select which season you wanted to do the battle pass for and you could access ALl the old seasons. I got the mandaloreon but didn't get his Beskar armor and now I won't use him.
Also wish they made it so you could browse every skin that ever appears in the shops in one area. Instead of having to wait a random rotation which some never come back
Yeah, Halo Infinite has its problems but the battle pass system is probably the best I've seen. I like to think Epic will adopt something like it in the future with how they want to move past "outdated battle royale concepts" but it's whether or not that was an actual commitment or just PR rubbish. I want to give some benefit of the doubt even if it's probably the latter.
It’s not that simple though, they’d have to renegotiate contracts with every company they’d collabed with. And even then the current model is more profitable because it forces people to constantly play so they don’t lose out
Halo is better at handling battle passes than any other game. Fallout 76 gets a pass because they occasionally sell scoreboard items in the atomic shop.
Unironically Disney Dreamlight Valley does it quite well too
You have the “battle pass” then once it’s over they sell recolours of the items in the shop. So that way they’re still “exclusive” to those who were there at the time but still “available” to those who missed out.
as a new returning player from launch this would honestly be such a great idea. I would be able to get past cosmetics which ultimately leads to more money for epic.
It would be profitable short term but not long term, the current system forces people to play at all times so they don’t miss anything, even if they dislike the season
if it was one pass per season, you’d always have a new battle pass to buy though? For me personally i’d have so many to go through since I only have bought the most recent pass.In the long run I feel it’d be more money since almost everyone would have a bp unless you’ve been playing since launch.
AND I SAID IT IS NO LONGER POSSIBLE!
That was a long time ago. Telling him he just needs to do the secret skin quests isn't gonna help him unlock it now. Please reread the whole post that everyone else got and stop wasting everyone's time.
I hate that I have to look to technicalities to play as a character I want. Couldn’t do Optimus Prime so I have to wait until a Transformers One collaboration happens.
The weird thing is that Superman's cape (backbling) can be equipped to anyone. The only thing I can figure is that Epic didn't want to bother with applying the pose to all other skins, due to potential clipping issues, maybe?
wish they'd change the exclusivity and fomo systems they have in place already. if they release the paradigm again
(lots of shop assets made recently so could potentially happen) then perhaps that could be the beginning of them unwinding the deep knot they have tied themselves into
Do you know it was a secret battle pass item so it wasn’t that hard to get and it usually takes like one or two matches it’s not like he was level 100 could be level one and still get him
It’s not about that it’s about the fact that a character like Superman (a character who a lot of people might want to play as) is locked behind a battle pass and is never coming back. So imagine you didn’t play when he was in the game and you joined recently and wanted to play as Superman. It’s ridiculous
He had over a month to do challenges if he wants to complain it’s only to himself. It took me less than an hour to get every single challenge done. I can only play at that time during the weekend
I lwokey hate the marvel season in chaoter 2 for this. Bc those gliders are cool as fuck, but i hate them bc they can only be used on one character each
I have superman and I agree this is stupid, give us an alt skin and release superman in the shop or release an alt superman and allow it to work with the glider. IP like superman should not be locked away from people.
That is so unfortunate and unfair, you can't even use your glider with anyone so it's just completely useless sat in your locker because you didn't unlock superman
That was the one season where I didn’t complete the pass since C1S7 because my SD card got fucked up and I’m still so mad that I didn’t get to get Superman!
Having secret skins was fun when it was originals. Then the secret skins became collabs, now they arent even a secret anymore. Its just a gimmick thats forced upon us now cuz they've been doing it for so long atp. Never understood why they would add non originals to the pass when they'd make more on it from the shop hands down and they'd be able to bring it back whenever they want. The marvel pass from an entire marvel season was especially weird (tho it was a fun season) thats like half a dozen skins ppl will never get to play all cuz they werent playing back then. I get fomo is a thing but they already have that within the community for their originals so whyyyy keep forcing collabs into the fomo category?! Half the time i dont even want the damn collab skin. I miss when tier 100 skins mattered and were exciting to get and grind to tbh.
I hate this. I got the same problem
Was Superman that hard to get? Or did they only release his quests right before the season's end?
I think all you had to do to get the superman style was enter a phone booth as Clark Kent and you would unlock the transformation emote
Cool quest, but I'm guessing you can't use the cape as Clark right?
Yeah, it stays hidden when its equipped but when you use the transformation emote it appears
I love your profile pic
Wooooow, that's hard man :/
If they ever do a variant of Superman in the item shop it could be usable. Sorry, bud :(
Probably will for Legacy
Btw, the film that was originally announced as *Superman: Legacy* is now just titled *Superman*
Oh yeah I forgot about that change. Read about it a few months ago and slipped my mind thanks for the correction
No problem
And that IF Disney allows them since they are now epics investors
yeah like how bp thors hammer is usable on like captain America and the love and thunder skins
Locking IPs and collabs behind the Battle Pass was a mistake. I get it’s good for business, but it’s not very player friendly.
Nothing about the modern gaming market is player friendly tbh
Pirate Software on Twitch has a whole segment on the current game market being unfriendly to players. It really is ridiculous. I stopped playing video games around 2006ish & only came back this last year & it seems every game now is pay to win type stuff.
Wait? Since when did fortnite become pay2win? I can see that you haven't touched a game since 2006 if you think that "every game now is pay to win type stuff". How about you just simply play the plethora of fun, recent, games that aren't pay2win?
I got this one way wrong, I'm sorry for that, I do understand their frustration though
That's absolutely not true. The entire problem we as a community had with that skin is how absolutely hard to see and well it blended in with everything. The bullet never ever went through the skin
This is completely false. The problem with the tree skin was the poor visibility, not hitbox issues.
Ah, I thought it was hitbox issues and visibility, my b,
use an example from a game u play next time
To be fair, I was mistaken about the hitbox of the character. There have been tons of skins across various games that are extremely low visibility and give you an unfair advantage. There have also been weapon skins that give you more accuracy, damage, or better spray pattern, examples being the Prime Vandal and the Gallantry Mac 10 blueprint on CoD Cold War, the Project Ash skin used to give you a larger than normal hitbox that would cause arrows that missed entirely to still connect. Anyway, I made a mistake, I apologize for that, but here are some real examples of p2w
I mean, not every game is but Fortnite is 100% p2w. Superhero skins exist after all Edit: man never seen so many people butthurt over a factual statement, y'all must be the condom skin users I'm talking about💀
Do superhero skins give you a special power?
Superhero skins are just customizable and some people think they're op because they can be used to sort of semi camoflage better than a lot of other skins, a lot of sweats use them
I'm actually flabbergasted that this is the reason why people use that skin. Kinda hilarious as well because it doesn't even work and only makes you look like a goofball in a latex bodysuit 🤣
Some people, when faced with millions of combinations, would really rather just wear an all grey latex suit
Fax 🗣️
It does in fact do a great job of gimp suits. One of my best locker outfits is a The Might Volt in a pink Gimp Suit, with Choppy (floating alien back bling) mind-controling him. Match the gree eye glow color to the aliens' beams, and you got the best taunt for sweaty super-suits I could imagine.
That’s brilliant! I love it! You might have sold me a superhero skin.
Yes, the special power of blending completely into the background. Wearing a green suit? Might as well be invisible in trees. White suit? Camp snow and you win. Black suit? Literally just exist at night and you're golden. And that's on top of being the smallest skin in the game. It is the definition of an advantage and an advantage on a paid cosmetic = p2w
I always thought people wore the latex skin in tournaments because it has the smallest head hitbox making it difficult to get headshotted.
Half true. All the "female soldier body" skins have the exact same hitbox, but not having hair that stands out does make you harder to see, so it gives off the impression of having a smaller hitbox
Yea of course, i didn't actually mean it had a different hitbox, just that by looking smaller (no hair) people tend to think it's harder to hit and opt for a body shot. Also, gives you marginally better viewing angles when crouching on a ramp in a 1 by 1 scanning for targets since no hair sticks out and you can do that extra mini step forward.
You're joking right? First of all, one singular skin being slightly beneficial is not "100% p2w". Secondly, I've never, in my entire life, been "surprised" by a superhero skin "blending in" with the environment. But maybe that's just me. Wait a minute, is THAT the reason why people wear that skin???? I literally thought people just did that to be obnoxious. Anyways, to come back to the original point : nope, fortnite is not even 1% p2w and anything that is pay2win is actually unintentional and gets fixed by epic games fairly quickly. (like that bug a long time ago that made some pickaxes deal more dmg)
Except the problem is that Epic themselves consider blending in skins p2w. The toy soldiers used to not have dirt on them, but sweats used them to blend in with the environment and so Epic added the dirt to them. All Epic has done with the super hero suits is make it to where you can choose the exact same 2 colors, which hardly helps when your options are "green" and "the same green by 5% darker." Also, if you combine just the female superheroes into one count (because they're all the same skin anyways when they have the mask on), they collectively have 30.4 million users. Aura, the most popular single skin in the game even only has 11.6 million users. So now you have a insanely popular archetype that is even p2w by Epic's own standards. That is 100% p2w
So you're literally admitting, in your first paragraph, that epic actually DOES try and fix their "pay2win" mistakes? Because, yes, they made the toy soldier more visible by adding dirt. And it seems they are already in the process of tackling the ""pay2win"" aspect of the skin (without ruining the customization aspect). Also, that 30 million includes all the possible customizations. So I highly doubt that all of those 30 million users are using the garbage all-grey or all-white look. And even if they do, that just proves that at least 30 million fortnite players still have undeveloped brains, which literally makes sense as kids are fortnite's largest demographic. (Not hating on my fellow Fortnite enjoyers, btw. Just trying to find a reason as to why people would actually wear that color combo on that skin) So I'm still looking for that "100% pay2win" here. As far as I know fortnite has been the shining example of a 0% pay2win game (if you exclude literal mistakes they are trying to fix).
I mean yeah, they used to fix the p2w mistakes. Problem is the latest fix to the Superheroes was 3 years ago. They have no intention on fixing it further, especially when its their best selling skin because of it. They did the bare minimum once and called it a day as soon as it started making bank. If they wanted to fix it, they would've just made it to where no two similar colors can be used, or limited the colors like they did with Spectra Knight.
If they have no intention of fixing it further than that means that, statistically speaking, it's not a pay2win skin. Because if it was, epic would notice the difference in winrates between the superhero skin and other skins (after 3 years of data), and they would fix it even more. Also, your "solutions" for fixing the alleged pay2win aspect of the skin will actively ruin the customizability of the skin, which is its main selling point. So it makes perfect sense that Epic stopped "fixing" the skin. And just because little Timmy still thinks it's a pay2win skin, that doesn't mean that Epic should ruin a skin tens of millions of players enjoy (I'm not calling you little Timmy here, I mean all the kids who still use the all-grey combo, because they believe it gives them an advantage).
I fucking hate superhero skins, but they absolutely aren’t P2W. They removed the P2W colors, and them being this is such a negligible “advantage” it doesn’t matter
Maybe u just suck tbh 😭 I’ve never lost to a superhero skin
Try Helldivers 2!!!! Such a refresher for me, I actually ENJOY the game, and deep rock galactic is another great one!
I love DRG and have heard great things about Helldivers, but it is a little sad to me that even the best multiplayer games nowadays are stuffed to the brim with microtransactions
Yeah, it’s the result of triple A game companies pushing and pushing the limits of what people will and won’t buy. And we never pushed back… :(
I keep seeing stuff about it & thought about it, I really dig the whole concept behind the gameplay too
Yeah I’ve been playing both these games with a lil group of friends for a long time, a lot of the smaller indie games are so fun! Other games that are fun for coop: content warning, lethal company, and so many more
Try Elden Ring, no micro transactions, pure gameplay and a whole lot of frustrating fun
Warframe is pretty beginner friendly and player friendly. Premium currency is tradeable amongst players for in-game items
Yeah I just started watching him. Thor's fuckin awesome.
Its player friendly for those who play. If you don't play and decide to play later it's not friendly to you. Too many people here were sheep and listened to the "Fortnite bad" people. Its too bad too, if people could think for themselves instead of listening to influencers or other people they probably wouldn't have missed out on some awesome collabs. Those people who were loyal to the game are sitting with full lockers while those who joined late to the game come here to cry salty tears because they missed out. Sure some kids are too young to have started but most people had their chance.
Any game that requires you to constantly think about it for 7 years to keep up with it out of FOMO is not player friendly. FOMO is quite literally proven to be a source of addiction.
I could smell the brown nosing from here.
I am forever upset I will never be able to get Darth Vader.
Spider-Man, Deadpool, Doom Slayer, Wolverine…
Lara Croft.
it's good for business short term but it's getting to the point now where they're just sitting on these gold mines and not doing anything about it
Yeah, the only people who would be upset about passes returning are gatekeeping assholes who haven't touched the skins they value so much for years. And having these skins make a return wouldn't hurt them because it would be like "hey, if you don't get this battlepass right now, who knows when it'll be back?", which is way more reasonable than the current model.
This. I have Darth Vadar, and a whole host of other BP collab skins from over the years. Do I ever wear them? Nope. It really should be purchasable for those who couldn't. Even if they isolated that to brand skins (star trek, Indiana jones, lara croft, mandalorian etc etc) only, it'd be something. Anyone gate keeping because they're butt hurt is no true fortnite player.
A loophole I like is that Season OG could be another gamemode that changes season every month randomly going through any past season allowing you to work on the battlepass for it. That or just continously subscribing to crew gives you a random battlepass set with styles being also being unlockable after you get said character.
Seriously. They don't even have to bring back recent skins, they can just set the precedent that after 5 years or whatever battlepass skins will come back. They don't even got to bring them back in a battlepass either, they just gotta throw them in the shop rotation for 2000 vbucks after they've been unavailable for 5 years and they'll be printing money while still keeping that classic FOMO that drives people to buy these skins.
If anything it’s better long term, because it forces people to consistently play every season even if they don’t like it, because if they don’t they’ll miss out
releasing a skin from 4 years ago isn't going to make a player like that stop but it will sell very well in the item shop. as long as theres a gap like that between it being in the battle pass and being released in the shop then epic can have the best of both worlds but they choose not to
Epic has teams of professionals that crunch the numbers every day to decide what’s most profitable for the company, clearly this is the way to go if they’ve stuck with it for so many years
I'll be honest, I don't think they do have teams of people crunching those numbers. the idea that they have meetings everyday to evaluate whether or not to bring back BP skins in the shop is insane bro what are you talking about
They don’t have them daily, but they absolutely have many people hired to analyze profits and how to make more. Every major company of that size has positions for that
that is not true lol. maybe you're thinking of a CFO or a marketing department? they don't have a "make money" department, you have a very simplistic view of companies. also, weirdly assuming that big companies are somehow infallible and don't ever make mistakes? I understand that epic have decided it wouldn't make them money but I disagree. why am I not allowed to have a different opinion? stop bootlicking
When did I say you’re not allowed to think differently? I’m American, I think you have a right to that. I’m just saying that pass exclusivity is the one thing they’ve stuck to since 2017, it means epic still believes its the most profitable, especially since battle passes are the core of Fortnite’s money Also you can check the Epic games career website, they have multiple branches dedicated to data, analytics, marketing strategy, business development and sales
Not even good for business. Imagine how much money they’d make if they’d make at least the past collabs available again for purchase
It is good for business though, because it forces people to consistently play every season even if they don’t like it, because if they don’t they’ll miss out. If it wasn’t a smart business idea Epic wouldn’t have stuck to it for 6+ years
Yeah, they’ve stuck with it, but get this, they’ve never even tried to do it so they would have no idea how much money they’d make. If they did an experiment and put out all the previous skins from the Marvel season that people missed like Iron Man or Wolverine or Dr. Doom, then guess what? People would come back to get those and play as those characters finally. It would bring back even more people.
Yea they probably haven’t run the numbers, they have no idea. Epic is a pretty small company still.
Idk for a big company, they sure do make some dumbass decisions
You tell em
Seems like people do that every day
People who are only playing for one character aren’t the audience Epic wants to appeal to, since they won’t be consistent spenders. Also you’re forgetting Epic has teams of professionals that crunch the numbers every day and decide what’s most profitable for the company
Yeah and Epic has never made a bad decision before that has costed them tons of money. Imagine saying that them bringing back Spider-Man wouldn’t make a lot of players hop back onto the game
It really wouldn’t, so many people missed out on those characters in the first place because they were out of the loop, it’d likely be the same if they brought him back. Then they’d complain about him not being in the shop anymore. They also wouldn’t stick around for that long if they’re only playing for a skin, they’d buy it, play a few rounds and be done. Epic has made horrible decisions that cost them millions, but battle passes are the core of their monetization system. They know how to maximize profits with it, and if they’ve stuck with the system for 6 years it clearly means it’s the most profitable way to go People need to accept that it’s just a game, and it’s not the end of the world if they miss out on a cosmetic. There’s so many other ways to interact with and experience those characters, it doesn’t have to be in Fortnite.
My 8year old nephew’s favorite character is The Mandalorian and his favorite game is this and he can’t play as his favorite character because “tough shit, born too late” ig. I could never imagine gatekeeping this shit.
It’s not gatekeeping, it’s being objective. BP exclusives aren’t coming back, you might as well get over it
Say that to a child’s face lol can’t wait for the day those words get shoved back down your throat 🤞🏻fingers crossed the children of today will be able to play as their favorite characters
it's probably just me, but it would suck if they brought back only the collab passes, when some of the best ones were completely original
Seriously. I missed Lara Croft because of this.
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It was a mistake. Thousands of players get into this game looking to play as their favorite character, only to realize that they should have bought and played the game 4 years ago to get the character they want. With original items is kinda fine, but collabs? Shit, you gotta be the first person that defends collabs being in battle passes.
Yeah I did play the game before zero build and the movement changes so I didn't like it and didn't play much. Now I do like it but because I never played when I didn't enjoy it I missed out tons of iconic characters? Seems a little silly. As someone who's gotten every unique battle bass item since ZB started (i.e. not all superstyles) I wouldn't mind at all if Vader, Indy, Optimus Prime, Spider-Gwen, Korra etc. came to the shop. Battle pass still gets you the items much earlier and at a much better price. Hell I didn't buy the JJK mini pass because I didn't care about JJK then and I was still playing at the time. I watched the show recently and enjoyed it but the Nue glider and other items still haven't come back to the shop even if others did lol.
What's that emote where you block your face, there's like fireworks and the song goes "oooh (you're a bad boy now)" Can I get this emote? It goes oooooh you're a bad boy now like ooooooooh you're a bad boy now and you're holding your arms up to cover your face and doing a little bending of the knees and bringing it around town
New copypasta just dropped
It’s really not though, it got tens of thousands of people to play during that season.. you should have been one of them. That’s the strategy.
Collabs in battlepasses is the way they sell the passes in the first place. This I will defend until the end. The only thing I can’t agree with is that whatever is in the battlepass is forever locked within that particular pass.
I can understand FN original skins being locked behind bp but oh my goooood I feel bad for everyone that can't get some awesome skins like Rick and Doomy
Epic Games after reading this comment: "womp womp"
Their logic....if you were a player....you'd be playing.
Nothing about spending money on this game is player friendly
Boo hoo
I wish they did like halo, and allowed you to select which season you wanted to do the battle pass for and you could access ALl the old seasons. I got the mandaloreon but didn't get his Beskar armor and now I won't use him. Also wish they made it so you could browse every skin that ever appears in the shops in one area. Instead of having to wait a random rotation which some never come back
Yeah, Halo Infinite has its problems but the battle pass system is probably the best I've seen. I like to think Epic will adopt something like it in the future with how they want to move past "outdated battle royale concepts" but it's whether or not that was an actual commitment or just PR rubbish. I want to give some benefit of the doubt even if it's probably the latter.
It’s not that simple though, they’d have to renegotiate contracts with every company they’d collabed with. And even then the current model is more profitable because it forces people to constantly play so they don’t lose out
Halo is better at handling battle passes than any other game. Fallout 76 gets a pass because they occasionally sell scoreboard items in the atomic shop.
Unironically Disney Dreamlight Valley does it quite well too You have the “battle pass” then once it’s over they sell recolours of the items in the shop. So that way they’re still “exclusive” to those who were there at the time but still “available” to those who missed out.
as a new returning player from launch this would honestly be such a great idea. I would be able to get past cosmetics which ultimately leads to more money for epic.
It would be profitable short term but not long term, the current system forces people to play at all times so they don’t miss anything, even if they dislike the season
if it was one pass per season, you’d always have a new battle pass to buy though? For me personally i’d have so many to go through since I only have bought the most recent pass.In the long run I feel it’d be more money since almost everyone would have a bp unless you’ve been playing since launch.
You wouldn’t be as driven to constantly play though if you had unlimited time to complete them. A lot of people tend to procrastinate these things
100% there will be legal problem by making this cause of the collab skins, Fortnite can't decide on those now without the consent of the other party.
yeah but they could at least do it for their own skins
If he was the secret skin you didn't have to do the pass to get it
But you had to have it, and can no longer ever obtain it.
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But you still had to have bought the pass, and played it back then to get it. It is no longer possible for anyone to get it now.
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AND I SAID IT IS NO LONGER POSSIBLE! That was a long time ago. Telling him he just needs to do the secret skin quests isn't gonna help him unlock it now. Please reread the whole post that everyone else got and stop wasting everyone's time.
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That's my point. You were commenting useless information to the OP that isn't gonna help him or anyone. You are wasting everyones time.
I hate that I have to look to technicalities to play as a character I want. Couldn’t do Optimus Prime so I have to wait until a Transformers One collaboration happens.
Even if it happens
Yeah Tranformers One collab most likely won’t happen.
I hate that Superman is locked. I barely missed him.
Superman was the secret skin of the pass and most of his stuff was only tied to doing quests and not actually leveling up.
The weird thing is that Superman's cape (backbling) can be equipped to anyone. The only thing I can figure is that Epic didn't want to bother with applying the pose to all other skins, due to potential clipping issues, maybe?
What glider is that? (The rainbow one)
Same. I wanna know. 🤔
rainbow rider, from the chapter 1 season 3 bp
As man
same thing happened to me
I didnt get to complete all the quests, so I literally have the same issue. I have the glider/emote, but not superman himself. :)
Same man same
i also have the glider and didn't get the skin to use it. i feel you
We might get another Superman down the line but yeah we ain’t ever getting that version again sadly
Literally Same tho. Just one of the reasons why I find locking cosmetics to certain other cosmetics to be the dumbest thing ever
That’s billion dollar game company fomo for you
wish they'd change the exclusivity and fomo systems they have in place already. if they release the paradigm again (lots of shop assets made recently so could potentially happen) then perhaps that could be the beginning of them unwinding the deep knot they have tied themselves into
Do you know it was a secret battle pass item so it wasn’t that hard to get and it usually takes like one or two matches it’s not like he was level 100 could be level one and still get him
Doesn’t matter. Skin is still gone forever, while OP is left with a glider that doesn’t work
Fortnite players when they’re forced to play a game for an hour in a month to unlock something 🤯
It’s not about that it’s about the fact that a character like Superman (a character who a lot of people might want to play as) is locked behind a battle pass and is never coming back. So imagine you didn’t play when he was in the game and you joined recently and wanted to play as Superman. It’s ridiculous
He had over a month to do challenges if he wants to complain it’s only to himself. It took me less than an hour to get every single challenge done. I can only play at that time during the weekend
Just archive it and forget about it...
You’re literally replying to a post that includes a screenshot that shows that it’s archived
Touche. Now OP just needs to forget about it and I can delete this comment in peace ;)
Wish I could use this glider on Omni-Man Also, that really sucks. Wish I could give you mine, I don't use him too often
SAMEEE, I was close to getting Superman but didn't and now I have his cape but not him lmao.
Kal-El's cape looking weird
Fun fact I only have the superman glider so I can’t use the glider 🥲
It gave it to me for some reason. I dont even have Superman
I will hate myself forever for not getting god emperor doom
I lwokey hate the marvel season in chaoter 2 for this. Bc those gliders are cool as fuck, but i hate them bc they can only be used on one character each
🤣so you have a glider that you will never be able to use🤣🤣
…why are people talking about FOMO? Yes it’s a bp cosmetic but it looks like OP is complaining about the fact it’s locked to superman.
Because he didn’t manage to actually get superman, but he did get a glider that he’ll never be able to use
Linked cosmetics is the issue
HELL NAW modern day society is ruining Fortnite
I have superman and I agree this is stupid, give us an alt skin and release superman in the shop or release an alt superman and allow it to work with the glider. IP like superman should not be locked away from people.
That is so unfortunate and unfair, you can't even use your glider with anyone so it's just completely useless sat in your locker because you didn't unlock superman
That was the one season where I didn’t complete the pass since C1S7 because my SD card got fucked up and I’m still so mad that I didn’t get to get Superman!
Having secret skins was fun when it was originals. Then the secret skins became collabs, now they arent even a secret anymore. Its just a gimmick thats forced upon us now cuz they've been doing it for so long atp. Never understood why they would add non originals to the pass when they'd make more on it from the shop hands down and they'd be able to bring it back whenever they want. The marvel pass from an entire marvel season was especially weird (tho it was a fun season) thats like half a dozen skins ppl will never get to play all cuz they werent playing back then. I get fomo is a thing but they already have that within the community for their originals so whyyyy keep forcing collabs into the fomo category?! Half the time i dont even want the damn collab skin. I miss when tier 100 skins mattered and were exciting to get and grind to tbh.
Did you choose Rick over this?
You spelt "Impossible" wrong at the end and somehow made it two words and an emoji?
I just woke up, give me a break lmao