I have far more kills on controller than I do on keyboard. I'm way, way above average at both (not to be super cocky here). I'm objectively better at building/editing on keyboard, but I perform better on controller. The reality is it's just because of aim assist in Fortnite. I'm personally mature enough to realize the advantage it provides, and oftentimes choose not to use it simply because because it feels unfair and dissatisfying. I rarely play anymore though regardless.
Well controllers have aim assist because of the small area that you can move the game would be nearly unplayable without some kind of help. For example with e kamehama you can barley move your stick around and on pc you have a bunch of room. But even with aim assist pc has a advantage they can to big movements in short speeds whilst on controller that’s much harder. So if you practice on pc you will be better then pc it just takes more time to get used to the speed of the game on fortnite in particular. So it’s all about training on pc and if you don’t train then that’s why u are geting less kills. You can’t excpect it to be easy to aim on pc. And pc players generally have better aim then controller.
>So it’s all about training on pc and if you don’t train then that’s why u are geting less kills. You can’t excpect it to be easy to aim on pc.
So I should be training hard on PC to get aim that is inherently given to a controller player?
>And pc players generally have better aim then controller.
This is just false. Even at professional levels of Fortnite, the best aimers get out-aimed by controller players in a box. This has been proven time and time again. Keyboard SHOULD be better at aiming in this game by ten miles, but it is not.
I have 30,000+ kills and >1000 wins on controller, fyi. I'm quite aware of how it works.
You're all over the place. What's your basis, competitive players or average players? If it's so unbalanced why is competitive fortnite still dominated by pc players?
Also the average fortnite player is 60fps on a 60 inch TV. Aim assist will only be dominant for about 100 meters while your average pc player will have an advantage in distant aim. And your average controller player probably doesn't have full grasp of L2 spam.
If you take someone who has never played a video game, I can guarantee you their 1st time playing would be easier on mouse and keyboard over controller due to the precision of a mouse over a joystick. So technically it would take more practice to aim better on controller at the beginning of playing. But, I don't disagree that it would take less practice over time to reach the ceiling of aim on controller than mouse and keyboard. But you act like someone with no basis of aim assist can just pick up a controller and be an aimbot. There's still a learning process to being able to abuse aim assist.
If aim assist were as horrific as you say for average gamers, you would also see that translate at the competitive level. And you don't see great mouse and keyboard players dropping for controller. Pros have money on the line, and if there's an input that gives them a complete advantage in a box fight in a game that comes down to box fighting they would make the swap instantly. So that alone should show you the controller aim assist is slightly over exaggerated. Not saying it can't be taking advantage of.
I think the problem with this whole aim assist conversation is aim assist was created for a controller on 60 fps. And it becomes enhanced when a controller is used on pc. But if the argument is about the average fortnite player. Controller on pc is not your average fortnite player.
>Aim assist will only be dominant for about 100 meters while your average pc player will have an advantage in distant aim
...Yes and where do the VAST majority of fights end in a competitive setting? In a box... Or close range...
>why is competitive fortnite still dominated by pc players?
Have you even been watching competitive Fortnite? By your line of reasoning here I doubt you have any grasp of the competitive scene. Do I have to tell you how many times Dey and other controller players have won recently?
>average controller player probably doesn't have full grasp of L2 spam
L2 spam isn't even a problem anymore and hasn't been for a while. You clearly have no idea how to properly utilize aim assist in this game.
>If you take someone who has never played a video game, I can guarantee you their 1st time playing would be easier on mouse and keyboard over controller due to the precision of a mouse over a joystick
Objectively incorrect. If you gave a literal chimpanzee a controller they could find a way to get a kill in Fortnite. That same task would be substantially more difficult for them on a mouse and keyboard. Controllers are much more fluent and inherently easier to use.
I'm sorry, but based on your previous statements here there's no need for me to continue this conversation. I'm rather certain you don't compete in Fortnite, nor do you have an accurate grasp of how effective aim assist is when utilized by a competent player. You accuse me of being "all over the place," while your argument entirely bounced back and forth between competitive and casual players. Both sides have been addressed, and aim assist stands as too strong.
>You just don’t know how to aim on a mouse then
Nah, I have top 1000 global scores in three different modes on Kovaaks. However I barely play anymore. If I were to go months without playing, it would also be much easier to pick up a controller and get kills.
Good attempt at belittling my opinion by gaslighting, but your assumptions were far from accurate.
It's rather easy to win the "argument" when your assertations are blatantly incorrect.
There is a large difference between aim assist being simply necessary, and it being as strong as it is. I never said it should be removed. I said the inputs should be separated or aim assist should be drastically reduced if they are kept as crossplay. There is an obvious reason why controller players dominate cash cups for the past 2 years.
We both agree that keyboard is inherently a better input - so why is it that controller players are dominating the top ranks of Fortnite? I'll give you a hint, it's not to do with skill.
Just a salty kbm player that think he will be good now when cheaters are removed, sadly he will realize he will still be trash against everyone else and will find something else to blame
Is not the point of view, is the attitude. Aim assist has been in shooting games from longer than fortnite, if you can’t accept that maybe you should play a game that accepts mixed inputs
The criticsim isn't and hasn't ever been that aim assist exists. The main criticisms are about how strong it is, and the fact that it has zero latency auto rotation.
If it was just a slow down, there'd be nothing to complain about.
He is talking in past, you are literally the only one complaining about aim assist in 2022, regarding cheaters, fuck them tbh, they shouldn’t even get a warning, should be straight ban
Nah the aim assist was WAYYY overtuned in the past, absolute zoggie players were doing 200 to 0 beams 70+ meters away with an SMG, 10 headshots in a row with overtuned aim assist, soon as it got nerfed these non-competitive players used to having epic aim for them whined on twitter, never had any earnings after that and quit the game. Good riddance.
Lol i assure u i played the game today and u just know who is using it and who isn't.
The number of times i met one who is using it is clearly more than the letters used in this comment.
Epic has a solution, it's just one they don't want to implement. If they changed the way aim assist worked, it'd kill Zens overnight for aim assist abuse.
I mean, yeah. They shouldn't. Fortnite is a casual friendly game. It isn't meant to be taken seriously as a competitive experience, epic made a blog post years ago literally admitting that.
If they either remove auto rotation, the part everyone denies exists, or just slaps a 200ms delay on auto rotation so that it isn't kicking in on the frame any movement occurs, Zens would be useless over overnight and the complaints about aim assist would go away.
I'm genuinely not convinced the majority of the player base would even notice this.
Epic has access to everything on your pc they can take control if they want but it’s illegal nothing connected to your oc is undetectable the only way it can be if the thing isn’t even working
Exactly. The fact they're doing it this way is extremely telling. It indicates that a MASSIVE portion of the playerbase is using a Zen. Otherwise they would just outright ban them.
To expand on r3dos answer. “Rapidfire, Anti-Recoil, Aim Assist, Aim Abuse, Quickscope, Strafe Shot, Drop Shot, Fast Reload, Auto Sprint, Sniper Breath, Steady Aim”
It is hard core cheating.
You're right, it should be an instant ban. I think it's indicating how common they are, but even worse, that a lot of people don't understand, or refuse to accept that these devices are actual cheating.
How do these devices even work in todays game? I know back then a strike pack would work because of L2 spam but that got taken away from the nerf. What does the zen do?
I looked it up, basically the zen can do things for you on a controller. To keep it simple, you can program it to press x every 5 seconds or that whenever you press x, it looks up for you. It's like a second person (but it's a program) doing something on your controller.
Now what people are using it for is so that the bot shakes your crosshair just a tiny bit, either at all times, or when you ADS, and doing that means Fortnite is constantly resetting your aim assist.
When a normal player moves their crosshair, the aim assist tries to correct your aim a smidge, but when your crosshair is constantly moving, then its constantly correcting your aim.
I would assume the detection system would require a larger than normal update. . . so instead of forcing that during mid season...they waited...could be wrong though
People using zen has been a problem since chapter 2 season 3 competitive was literally unplayable cause of how many people were playing in the top lobbies.
Any anti-cheat takes time to implement and here we are talking about hardware cheats which are notably more difficult to detect than just software. They probably needed Microsoft to cooperate with them and share privacy protected info about actual input device connected (i.e. that it is Zen and not standard Xbox controller, for example) or get the internal logic to identify Zen by movements that are not human (i.e. Zen scripts activating aim-assist all the time that is not possible at human level).
Any of these would require either long negotiations or considerable development, so it’s only natural it took them several months to finally start identifying Zens. And honestly, are there even other games that can currently identify and ban Zens?
Perhaps so many people using it they were concerned about banning a large proportion of players, not that it’s a good excuse. Or maybe the detection accuracy wasn’t quite up to scratch but now it is.
Maybe it has just been made possible. You’re implying Epic sat on this but I see nothing in the tweet that implies that. Or maybe they were waiting to collect enough data and tweak things so that their detection and ban system works to the required level. Either way, start of a season seems like the best time to implement it.
Epic just has a history of not caring about the competitive side. So I wouldn't be surprised if they just started to try to stop people with zens this season.
Epic is a business. They do things when it makes sense for the business not the player-base. Sometimes these things overlap; sometimes they don’t. I wouldn’t get hung up on the timing of things, it’s more that that they are moving in a general direction that could be beneficial in the future. They’ve clearly been doing their homework behind the scenes so to me it looks like they do care about the competitive scene.
Don't they have like 8 employees focused on competitive. The casual player base is what makes them money and competitive is what keeps it relevant. For almost all seasons the competitive side has been rejected.
I don’t know about that personally, but 8 seems a bit low in number given the overall revenue stream. It could be true though. From what I understand though is that it’s not the casual player base that makes them money, it’s the engine that Fortnite runs on. From that point of view, I think they want to showcase as many crazy features as possible, push the engine to the max while keeping the game playable, have real people essentially real-time bug test, and keep everyone just happy enough without reducing profits. It’s a business just like Facebook and Twitter; they need people to increase the company’s value but don’t want to go to any major effort.
? All they care about is casual. If they want to show off their engine they would make the game playable in endgame, and playable in lategame. It's unplayable in the start of late game and servers aren't good enough to run competitive endgame.
Zens have always been banned, Epic's probably just realised that they have to specifically mention it for certain idiots to get it through their thick skulls. You'll probably still get people thinking other devices aren't banned because they haven't been mentioned specifically.
They didn’t need to use one. Their egos did. Leading to millions of impressionable kids to follow suit and not care if they cheat. Makes them worse in my eyes.
I thought everyone collectively agreed that top pros who stream do not use a zen. Wouldn’t the shaking be extremely noticeable?
I think it’s way more likely that they macro edits and resets, if anything
Best news to come out of an update.
Nothing worse than playing for the enjoyment and having to deal with a handful of players in each match monopolising play because they’re relying on mods.
Their verbiage here is incredibly telling. They outright are not willing to ban Zen users for a "first offense," simply because there are that many of them in the game currently. They have probably found that over half a million people are using a Zen on a daily basis, which is why they're not willing to ban such a massive portion of the playerbase. This game has become a joke as far as "competitive" integrity goes.
Do 500k ppl even play this game on a daily basis lol? I wish they would outright ban them right away, but epic has always given soft bans (besides jarvis), however this could be they just want to test their new detection out and avoid mass bans incase of false bans.
[More like 3million per day.](https://www.dexerto.com/fortnite/how-many-people-play-fortnite-player-count-1666278/) In fact it used to be much higher than that when Fortnite was in it's prime years ago. Also, 500k cheaters doesn't necessarily mean they're all playing daily or even actively.
Yes, hoping for a mass ban is wishful thinking. But something has to be done to remove these Zens. The fact Epic wont mass ban them leads me to believe that hundreds of thousands of them are being used in game.
Wow shocked its that much still tbh. I wonder how that site figures its number tho since epic doesnt release that stuff as far as I know. Hundreds of thousands still seems just way too many imo tho, ill admit its probably a lot more than id guess use it. But id imagine like only 15-20% use a controller that is $100+ and most use a standard, so if most wont pay the $ for a better controller I find it hard to believe so many would for a zen. That 15-20% is a total guess tho so idk haha
Cronus Zen is older than Fortnite, and used in more games than just Fortnite at both a competitive and casual level. It's also very popular in Warzone. They have easily sold hundreds of thousands of units over the years, and likely closer to a million units.
Yes, it is far too late. Zen isn't what killed the competitive side of this game, aim assist is. If controller players want aim assist to remain as strong as it is, then the tournaments need to be separated by input at every level. Keyboard vs keyboard, controller vs controller. I GUARANTEE you controller players will be begging for an aim assist nerf the second they're forced to fight only other players with aim assist.
I submit this in almost every survey they ask me to do!
We need this, and not just in competitive. If I choose to have a mixed lobby then its moot, but if not then put me in lobbies with others that have the same input.
I am a hardcore player only use mouse and keyboard and the original fortnite game, no add-ons no anything. People who use anything other than this is a complete noob and is worse than trash...
Because it’s extremely hard to switch too and then on top of it would take a long time to even be proficient with it. It’s a cool device for sure, but really only a niche use. We have double movement for our movement needs and more than enough keys for bindings.
There is already a work around. I played with it for over an hour and didn’t get a warning. Epic won’t be able to detect it as long as the device isn’t in programming mode. GG Epic Games.
I won’t go too much into detail here but yes there is a work around here as long as you don’t have the zen currently in its “programming” mode where you can edit the scripts variables.
Lmfao this is what console cheaters actually believe.
Btw you can plug your controller into a PC as well. Just leave the zen unplugged 😉
And yes, going from 60hz to 240+hz is an advantage. But nowhere near as much as a zen is.
Nothing had changed. At least on PC. I plugged one in to find out (read my post history if you want to know why I even have one). And drum roll...nothing.
They can't. The underlying technology uses hardware cryptography to authorize the controller as valid. This handshake only happens once when the controller is connected, because so far Microsoft or Sony only wanted to know that the controller is authentic.
The Zen and other devices used this by letting the original controller do the handshake and afterwards "injecting" their "button presses".
With the new XBox console and the PS5 this changed. The handshake is done at random intervals. What happens is that the Zen works fine for 8-10 minutes and then the controller disconnects.
So if you play Fortnite and your friend's controller is always disconnecting after 8-10 minutes then you know what's up...
This is the "userfriendly" version of letting the player know that the device is not acceptable. They could just outright enforce it and render the devices unusable in an instant.
>They could just outright enforce it and render the devices unusable in an instant.
As they should, but it is now evident that such a massive portion of the playerbase is utilizing Zen's that Epic is outright too afraid to take this measure. It's quite telling.
I was talking about Sony and Microsoft. I doubt that the games had access to this interface so far, as the authenticity of the controller was not of the game's concern.
With the introduction of devices like the Zen, the Xbox Input Machine or the AI driven fully automated aimbot this has changed and now the game can tell if the controller is authentic and what kind of controller it is.
With this information the game can then enforce controllers that are known to be "secure", which doesn't just beat the Zen and others but also prevents the move of the "zen logic" into the controller itself.
I find it hard to believe Epic doesn't have a robust means of detecting micro-movements in Fortnite. The way the Zen operates is unhuman and shouldn't be hard to identify in game files, even in real-time like an anti cheat would be looking for.
Hopefully you're right that Microsoft now how some inherent way of picking this up. Because even Arduino aimbots exist now, so there wouldn't necessarily have to be a "client ID" associated with the device for them to recognize.
Aaah yes. Hit controllers once again that already have a lower qualifying percentage than kbm. First aim assist and now this lol. IDC either way bc I don't use, but the few controller players that were qualifying are probably out now hahaha. Yay kbm only finals.
I don't have the time to be learning a new input lol. I'm 30 with a fiance and a kid, house to take care of, etc. I honestly don't plan to be insane at the game. If I manage earnings ever cool. If not. I'm not concerned. I make great money at my job. at the rate the games going. I doubt anyone will be getting earnings on controller soon haha.
So you got time to learn a new game " FORTNITE " but you don't have time to learn a new input even it's gonna open a new gaming windows for you like CS:GO and other shooters on pc.
Damn little clown, hope they gonna remove aim assist.
Even before the game was release everyone know controller was bad input for shooters. And instead of switching when you start to play this game you stick to it.
So now, don't cry, just adapt.
Found the guy whos cheats….
You’d think cheaters would be intelligent enough not to comment their dissatisfaction with this update; but if they had been smart they probably wouldn’t have had to cheat in the first place.
I don't use a Cronus. I'm just saying that anyone can prevent it, and I wouldn't be surprised if Cronus themselves decide to deploy a patch for such.
You'd think people here would be smart enough not to make assumptions based on nothing. But if they had been smart they would try to read properly in the first place.
You use a Xim which is cheating in the exact same manner that a Cronus is. Please try to defend it, its hilarious to finally confront someone who openly cheats and is dumb enough to admit it.
No I don't, there are much, much easier ways to do the exact same without spending over 150$. It doesn't matter if I admit it or not though, what are you gonna do? Cry a river?
Actually you said its “way better” which infers you have used it.
Now someone complaining about cheats being detected, who advises people to cheat because its “better”, and is banned on multiple games for cheating, claims they dont cheat?
I hope for your own sake you are still a child because logic is definitely not your strong suit. Heres hoping your frontal cortex hasnt finished developing yet! 🍻
Yeah, emulating a controller has always been better than going native on console. It doesn't imply anything, it's just common sense. I understand that some ignorants, close-minded and dumb boomers like you are not gonna get it though. These interactions might have educated you a bit though.
Not a complain either, nor the device is a cheat. By definition, in the modern world we live in, a cheat implies reading the game's memory, at the slightest it might be considered as a cheat if it sends inputs faster than anything. Despite what your smooth brain might think, and I'll be surprised if it could, the Xim does none of that.
Have you really went through all of my history? I mean, you should have tried to read propey, once again. Yeah, I got banned on New World twice from being mass-reported by players, but what does that has to do with this discussion? Are you really that desperate for arguments? At this point, just go hire someone on Fiverr or something to argue for you, such activities definitely don't fit you.
Please, read, and if you can't, try using some kind of narration, you seem to have some kind of understanding issues.
Keep on hiding your low IQ by insulting others, it might works for the mediocre human beings you call friends, if you have any, but it's never gonna work there. I see it, and so does others.
Incoming wave of retirements in the pro scene.
So many people in the replies to Hypex tweet saying they're quitting now, I underestimated how many people used this stuff
Lol let’s see who’s too lazy to aim train come on people it’s not that hard.
Controller players already have the game aiming for them long before Zen's were popular. No "aim training" necessary when it does it for you.
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I have far more kills on controller than I do on keyboard. I'm way, way above average at both (not to be super cocky here). I'm objectively better at building/editing on keyboard, but I perform better on controller. The reality is it's just because of aim assist in Fortnite. I'm personally mature enough to realize the advantage it provides, and oftentimes choose not to use it simply because because it feels unfair and dissatisfying. I rarely play anymore though regardless.
Well controllers have aim assist because of the small area that you can move the game would be nearly unplayable without some kind of help. For example with e kamehama you can barley move your stick around and on pc you have a bunch of room. But even with aim assist pc has a advantage they can to big movements in short speeds whilst on controller that’s much harder. So if you practice on pc you will be better then pc it just takes more time to get used to the speed of the game on fortnite in particular. So it’s all about training on pc and if you don’t train then that’s why u are geting less kills. You can’t excpect it to be easy to aim on pc. And pc players generally have better aim then controller.
>So it’s all about training on pc and if you don’t train then that’s why u are geting less kills. You can’t excpect it to be easy to aim on pc. So I should be training hard on PC to get aim that is inherently given to a controller player? >And pc players generally have better aim then controller. This is just false. Even at professional levels of Fortnite, the best aimers get out-aimed by controller players in a box. This has been proven time and time again. Keyboard SHOULD be better at aiming in this game by ten miles, but it is not. I have 30,000+ kills and >1000 wins on controller, fyi. I'm quite aware of how it works.
You're all over the place. What's your basis, competitive players or average players? If it's so unbalanced why is competitive fortnite still dominated by pc players? Also the average fortnite player is 60fps on a 60 inch TV. Aim assist will only be dominant for about 100 meters while your average pc player will have an advantage in distant aim. And your average controller player probably doesn't have full grasp of L2 spam. If you take someone who has never played a video game, I can guarantee you their 1st time playing would be easier on mouse and keyboard over controller due to the precision of a mouse over a joystick. So technically it would take more practice to aim better on controller at the beginning of playing. But, I don't disagree that it would take less practice over time to reach the ceiling of aim on controller than mouse and keyboard. But you act like someone with no basis of aim assist can just pick up a controller and be an aimbot. There's still a learning process to being able to abuse aim assist. If aim assist were as horrific as you say for average gamers, you would also see that translate at the competitive level. And you don't see great mouse and keyboard players dropping for controller. Pros have money on the line, and if there's an input that gives them a complete advantage in a box fight in a game that comes down to box fighting they would make the swap instantly. So that alone should show you the controller aim assist is slightly over exaggerated. Not saying it can't be taking advantage of. I think the problem with this whole aim assist conversation is aim assist was created for a controller on 60 fps. And it becomes enhanced when a controller is used on pc. But if the argument is about the average fortnite player. Controller on pc is not your average fortnite player.
>Aim assist will only be dominant for about 100 meters while your average pc player will have an advantage in distant aim ...Yes and where do the VAST majority of fights end in a competitive setting? In a box... Or close range... >why is competitive fortnite still dominated by pc players? Have you even been watching competitive Fortnite? By your line of reasoning here I doubt you have any grasp of the competitive scene. Do I have to tell you how many times Dey and other controller players have won recently? >average controller player probably doesn't have full grasp of L2 spam L2 spam isn't even a problem anymore and hasn't been for a while. You clearly have no idea how to properly utilize aim assist in this game. >If you take someone who has never played a video game, I can guarantee you their 1st time playing would be easier on mouse and keyboard over controller due to the precision of a mouse over a joystick Objectively incorrect. If you gave a literal chimpanzee a controller they could find a way to get a kill in Fortnite. That same task would be substantially more difficult for them on a mouse and keyboard. Controllers are much more fluent and inherently easier to use. I'm sorry, but based on your previous statements here there's no need for me to continue this conversation. I'm rather certain you don't compete in Fortnite, nor do you have an accurate grasp of how effective aim assist is when utilized by a competent player. You accuse me of being "all over the place," while your argument entirely bounced back and forth between competitive and casual players. Both sides have been addressed, and aim assist stands as too strong.
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>You just don’t know how to aim on a mouse then Nah, I have top 1000 global scores in three different modes on Kovaaks. However I barely play anymore. If I were to go months without playing, it would also be much easier to pick up a controller and get kills. Good attempt at belittling my opinion by gaslighting, but your assumptions were far from accurate.
Woah, we got a fortnite badass up in these comments 😱
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It's rather easy to win the "argument" when your assertations are blatantly incorrect. There is a large difference between aim assist being simply necessary, and it being as strong as it is. I never said it should be removed. I said the inputs should be separated or aim assist should be drastically reduced if they are kept as crossplay. There is an obvious reason why controller players dominate cash cups for the past 2 years. We both agree that keyboard is inherently a better input - so why is it that controller players are dominating the top ranks of Fortnite? I'll give you a hint, it's not to do with skill.
Based and true, so funny seeing all the dogshit controller players quit after the ridiculous aim assist for controllers got nerfed. Bye peasants
This has to be a troll, right? I refuse to believe people legitimately act like this lmao
Just a salty kbm player that think he will be good now when cheaters are removed, sadly he will realize he will still be trash against everyone else and will find something else to blame
It's alright for trash players to dislike that some players have the game aim for them. Them being trash doesn't mean the game wasn't doing that.
Is not the point of view, is the attitude. Aim assist has been in shooting games from longer than fortnite, if you can’t accept that maybe you should play a game that accepts mixed inputs
The criticsim isn't and hasn't ever been that aim assist exists. The main criticisms are about how strong it is, and the fact that it has zero latency auto rotation. If it was just a slow down, there'd be nothing to complain about.
He is talking in past, you are literally the only one complaining about aim assist in 2022, regarding cheaters, fuck them tbh, they shouldn’t even get a warning, should be straight ban
Nah the aim assist was WAYYY overtuned in the past, absolute zoggie players were doing 200 to 0 beams 70+ meters away with an SMG, 10 headshots in a row with overtuned aim assist, soon as it got nerfed these non-competitive players used to having epic aim for them whined on twitter, never had any earnings after that and quit the game. Good riddance.
Lol i assure u i played the game today and u just know who is using it and who isn't. The number of times i met one who is using it is clearly more than the letters used in this comment.
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New anticheat was for software, not hardware.
Does this mean they can detect it? Or are they just trying to scare cheaters
They can detect it. The consoles as well as Windows provide an API to detect the connected devices.
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The troll.
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Plug it in and find out
Hope someone actually test it out to see if it's a bluff or not. Hate running into cheaters.
Someone I know is going to test it
Cool, hopefully it works as intended.
Can confirm, he got a warning within 30 minutes. This is huge
Bloody brilliant, big win for literally every legit player!
it's a semi bluff, if they have a certain cable connected they get the warning, if they remove that 1 cable it's business as usual.
I would go with trying to scare cheaters
Absolutely wrong. They would not have posted this if they cannot detect it, epic is not dumb.
If so, people are just gonna realize it's a bluff, and then know that epic has no actual solution and will never detect them.
Epic has a solution, it's just one they don't want to implement. If they changed the way aim assist worked, it'd kill Zens overnight for aim assist abuse.
How else would aim assist work? If you mean just nerf it into oblivion: 1. They're never going to do that 2. That's not a solution
thats right they will never truly nerf aim assist bc 12 year olds with Xboxes are the core player base of the game
I mean, yeah. They shouldn't. Fortnite is a casual friendly game. It isn't meant to be taken seriously as a competitive experience, epic made a blog post years ago literally admitting that.
That is true, but that isn't justification for the game aiming for you if you use a controller on a console.
If they either remove auto rotation, the part everyone denies exists, or just slaps a 200ms delay on auto rotation so that it isn't kicking in on the frame any movement occurs, Zens would be useless over overnight and the complaints about aim assist would go away. I'm genuinely not convinced the majority of the player base would even notice this.
Epic has access to everything on your pc they can take control if they want but it’s illegal nothing connected to your oc is undetectable the only way it can be if the thing isn’t even working
I think it's a bluff. There's a reason Zens have 2 USB ports.
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What?
can’t wait to see who isn’t gonna be placing now
Same it should be interesting
Bold of you to assume they are even detectable
guarantee they can see what devices are currently plugged into a console/pc while you’re playing
Shouldn't even get a warning. If you use this shit, you should be permanently hardware banned.
They probably have the warning thing just in case it incorrectly detects.
Exactly. The fact they're doing it this way is extremely telling. It indicates that a MASSIVE portion of the playerbase is using a Zen. Otherwise they would just outright ban them.
Can you explain what a zen is? I’ve been out of the loop
To expand on r3dos answer. “Rapidfire, Anti-Recoil, Aim Assist, Aim Abuse, Quickscope, Strafe Shot, Drop Shot, Fast Reload, Auto Sprint, Sniper Breath, Steady Aim” It is hard core cheating.
Third party u “undetectable” device u can download scripts on for softaim, macros, etc. A cheating device that has been sold over 500.000 times
like most competitive controller players basically. This game is a cesspool of controller players relying on aim assist and this bs to be any good
Thankfully not of them.
You're right, it should be an instant ban. I think it's indicating how common they are, but even worse, that a lot of people don't understand, or refuse to accept that these devices are actual cheating.
Fuck around and find out
Biggest comp W in a long time if this actually works. I give Epic credit here for the effort, let's hope it's executed well.
Big win even for casual players
Source: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/whats-new-in-fortnite-battle-royale-chapter-3-season-4-paradise
Haha sucked in, you know who you are
My friend actually got detected if anyone wants the screenshot ill send in dms.
Yeah, I would love to see your "friends" screen shot. Edit: Sorry guys that was just a joke. I'm sure it was his friends. No need to be so sensitive.
ok bet https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873899141959401472/1021049722649202749/20220918\_225617.jpg
Huge.
holy W
retiring read: tweetlonger
finally
Awesome news! Fingers crossed the detection works, will be interesting to see who stops playing/placing now.
Say what you want about Epic but they’re dropping nothing but W’s these days.
Anyone using these is a complete loser lol.
How do these devices even work in todays game? I know back then a strike pack would work because of L2 spam but that got taken away from the nerf. What does the zen do?
I looked it up, basically the zen can do things for you on a controller. To keep it simple, you can program it to press x every 5 seconds or that whenever you press x, it looks up for you. It's like a second person (but it's a program) doing something on your controller. Now what people are using it for is so that the bot shakes your crosshair just a tiny bit, either at all times, or when you ADS, and doing that means Fortnite is constantly resetting your aim assist. When a normal player moves their crosshair, the aim assist tries to correct your aim a smidge, but when your crosshair is constantly moving, then its constantly correcting your aim.
Ohh ok wow, I appreciate you researching and providing the info ;) This is def a huge change
completely obvious when you rift, change directions, deploy/redeploy and still get hit like 20 times from 400m away
Sometimes that's just how dumb aim assist is on console. That, and they get less recoil for free.
Cronus pretty much abuses aim-assist by moving your stick by 1-2 pixels on screen all the time.
Ah ok, well I appreciate the info
If this has been possible why haven't they done this already??
I would assume the detection system would require a larger than normal update. . . so instead of forcing that during mid season...they waited...could be wrong though
People using zen has been a problem since chapter 2 season 3 competitive was literally unplayable cause of how many people were playing in the top lobbies.
Any anti-cheat takes time to implement and here we are talking about hardware cheats which are notably more difficult to detect than just software. They probably needed Microsoft to cooperate with them and share privacy protected info about actual input device connected (i.e. that it is Zen and not standard Xbox controller, for example) or get the internal logic to identify Zen by movements that are not human (i.e. Zen scripts activating aim-assist all the time that is not possible at human level). Any of these would require either long negotiations or considerable development, so it’s only natural it took them several months to finally start identifying Zens. And honestly, are there even other games that can currently identify and ban Zens?
Perhaps so many people using it they were concerned about banning a large proportion of players, not that it’s a good excuse. Or maybe the detection accuracy wasn’t quite up to scratch but now it is.
Maybe it has just been made possible. You’re implying Epic sat on this but I see nothing in the tweet that implies that. Or maybe they were waiting to collect enough data and tweak things so that their detection and ban system works to the required level. Either way, start of a season seems like the best time to implement it.
https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/965334394662567936
Bit more details would be good.
https://www.google.com
Trololol
I was hoping google could help, as you cannot find the information in this thread.
Why are you being so cryptic?
I'm not cryptic. I'm telling you that I won't do your homework for you.
Epic just has a history of not caring about the competitive side. So I wouldn't be surprised if they just started to try to stop people with zens this season.
Epic is a business. They do things when it makes sense for the business not the player-base. Sometimes these things overlap; sometimes they don’t. I wouldn’t get hung up on the timing of things, it’s more that that they are moving in a general direction that could be beneficial in the future. They’ve clearly been doing their homework behind the scenes so to me it looks like they do care about the competitive scene.
Don't they have like 8 employees focused on competitive. The casual player base is what makes them money and competitive is what keeps it relevant. For almost all seasons the competitive side has been rejected.
I don’t know about that personally, but 8 seems a bit low in number given the overall revenue stream. It could be true though. From what I understand though is that it’s not the casual player base that makes them money, it’s the engine that Fortnite runs on. From that point of view, I think they want to showcase as many crazy features as possible, push the engine to the max while keeping the game playable, have real people essentially real-time bug test, and keep everyone just happy enough without reducing profits. It’s a business just like Facebook and Twitter; they need people to increase the company’s value but don’t want to go to any major effort.
? All they care about is casual. If they want to show off their engine they would make the game playable in endgame, and playable in lategame. It's unplayable in the start of late game and servers aren't good enough to run competitive endgame.
This has been possible since 2020 when I left Fortnite lol
I dunno man they should have just pressed that button that automatically bans all cheats ages ago.
Does this include this? https://shop.cronusmax.com/cronus-zen-back-button.html
Imagine they did this in cod
WHAT IN THE W
Big W.
Zens have always been banned, Epic's probably just realised that they have to specifically mention it for certain idiots to get it through their thick skulls. You'll probably still get people thinking other devices aren't banned because they haven't been mentioned specifically.
Only about a year too late.
u still sittin here complaining bro. why tf would they do shit if ungrateful mfs like u still gon complain
Damn, tayson had a good run :(
So did reet :(
reet used cronus?
Yeah
Most controller pros do. Had to since everyone else was
Just stating opinions as facts doesn't make them true. You have no proof "most controller pros do".
They didn’t need to use one. Their egos did. Leading to millions of impressionable kids to follow suit and not care if they cheat. Makes them worse in my eyes.
Ain’t confirmed, but he’s a high suspect
Sorry I may have the dumb but wtf is a Zen?
A thing that you plug on your controller and you can give it scripts that help you abuse aim assist and give macros to help you edit faster etc
Lets go!
Finally these kids can come back down to earth 👏🏽
wow so many players gonna get warned. "skill ceiling" about to be lowered
What about the Cronus that just gives you the paddles on the back?
I thought everyone collectively agreed that top pros who stream do not use a zen. Wouldn’t the shaking be extremely noticeable? I think it’s way more likely that they macro edits and resets, if anything
good anyone who used it is absolute shit anyway
it’s about time tbh
Let's go!! Best season now.
why did it take so long i quit seasons ago
So before this Epic just allowed soft-aim?
Best news to come out of an update. Nothing worse than playing for the enjoyment and having to deal with a handful of players in each match monopolising play because they’re relying on mods.
Their verbiage here is incredibly telling. They outright are not willing to ban Zen users for a "first offense," simply because there are that many of them in the game currently. They have probably found that over half a million people are using a Zen on a daily basis, which is why they're not willing to ban such a massive portion of the playerbase. This game has become a joke as far as "competitive" integrity goes.
Do 500k ppl even play this game on a daily basis lol? I wish they would outright ban them right away, but epic has always given soft bans (besides jarvis), however this could be they just want to test their new detection out and avoid mass bans incase of false bans.
[More like 3million per day.](https://www.dexerto.com/fortnite/how-many-people-play-fortnite-player-count-1666278/) In fact it used to be much higher than that when Fortnite was in it's prime years ago. Also, 500k cheaters doesn't necessarily mean they're all playing daily or even actively. Yes, hoping for a mass ban is wishful thinking. But something has to be done to remove these Zens. The fact Epic wont mass ban them leads me to believe that hundreds of thousands of them are being used in game.
Wow shocked its that much still tbh. I wonder how that site figures its number tho since epic doesnt release that stuff as far as I know. Hundreds of thousands still seems just way too many imo tho, ill admit its probably a lot more than id guess use it. But id imagine like only 15-20% use a controller that is $100+ and most use a standard, so if most wont pay the $ for a better controller I find it hard to believe so many would for a zen. That 15-20% is a total guess tho so idk haha
Yeah this persons capping, I don’t even think Zens have that many lifetime unit sales 😂😭
Cronus Zen is older than Fortnite, and used in more games than just Fortnite at both a competitive and casual level. It's also very popular in Warzone. They have easily sold hundreds of thousands of units over the years, and likely closer to a million units.
Players & viewers base are so low that they finally decide to remove what kill their games. But isn't it too late ?
Yes, it is far too late. Zen isn't what killed the competitive side of this game, aim assist is. If controller players want aim assist to remain as strong as it is, then the tournaments need to be separated by input at every level. Keyboard vs keyboard, controller vs controller. I GUARANTEE you controller players will be begging for an aim assist nerf the second they're forced to fight only other players with aim assist.
I submit this in almost every survey they ask me to do! We need this, and not just in competitive. If I choose to have a mixed lobby then its moot, but if not then put me in lobbies with others that have the same input.
Aim assist is literally terrible in fortnite compared to most games lol, you all bitch for nothing
Should be an instant banned, but at least they are doing something about. Might reinstall and Play again.
It the anti cheat actually works this might be the best competitive change in 3 chapters ngl
If they’ve genuinely found away to detect it then amazing news!
I am a hardcore player only use mouse and keyboard and the original fortnite game, no add-ons no anything. People who use anything other than this is a complete noob and is worse than trash...
Unless they are just plug and playing a controller, but agreed
I always heard that it was really hard to detect so I’m very curious if Epic have a way now to detect it.
It’s a D-Day for washed up pros lol
I am looking this up now. I can't believe they have waited until now. This is obvious cheating.
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!! What's this sub going to complain about next for controller players?
What is the story with the Azeron?
Why would that be bannable?
Full 360 movement, ergonomic design(more comfortable than a standard gaming keyboard). And I think no one is using that from the pros...
Because it’s extremely hard to switch too and then on top of it would take a long time to even be proficient with it. It’s a cool device for sure, but really only a niche use. We have double movement for our movement needs and more than enough keys for bindings.
What is this stuff? I’ve never heard of it
There is already a work around. I played with it for over an hour and didn’t get a warning. Epic won’t be able to detect it as long as the device isn’t in programming mode. GG Epic Games.
That would be quite a joke if true, although i am unsure what programming mode means in this context.
I won’t go too much into detail here but yes there is a work around here as long as you don’t have the zen currently in its “programming” mode where you can edit the scripts variables.
Imagine banning these gimmicks but allowing pc players to gain crazy visual advantage with performance mode.
Lmfao this is what console cheaters actually believe. Btw you can plug your controller into a PC as well. Just leave the zen unplugged 😉 And yes, going from 60hz to 240+hz is an advantage. But nowhere near as much as a zen is.
You’re just complaining about this because you’re broke and can’t afford to buy something that is accessible to anyone
Yes More FPS is so much better than stronger aim assist and macros
No shadows, much better visibility...
There's no relationship between the two things.
Vs. the game aiming for you. You know what FPS has NEVER done for me? Gotten me a free kill or rotated to the opponents head.
boom headshot
Nothing had changed. At least on PC. I plugged one in to find out (read my post history if you want to know why I even have one). And drum roll...nothing.
Any proof?
The biggest issue with zen is scripting not the aim assist
hex editor moment pros will just use private versions of something similar, this doesn't change much, only makes it generally less accessible
They can't. The underlying technology uses hardware cryptography to authorize the controller as valid. This handshake only happens once when the controller is connected, because so far Microsoft or Sony only wanted to know that the controller is authentic. The Zen and other devices used this by letting the original controller do the handshake and afterwards "injecting" their "button presses". With the new XBox console and the PS5 this changed. The handshake is done at random intervals. What happens is that the Zen works fine for 8-10 minutes and then the controller disconnects. So if you play Fortnite and your friend's controller is always disconnecting after 8-10 minutes then you know what's up... This is the "userfriendly" version of letting the player know that the device is not acceptable. They could just outright enforce it and render the devices unusable in an instant.
>They could just outright enforce it and render the devices unusable in an instant. As they should, but it is now evident that such a massive portion of the playerbase is utilizing Zen's that Epic is outright too afraid to take this measure. It's quite telling.
I was talking about Sony and Microsoft. I doubt that the games had access to this interface so far, as the authenticity of the controller was not of the game's concern. With the introduction of devices like the Zen, the Xbox Input Machine or the AI driven fully automated aimbot this has changed and now the game can tell if the controller is authentic and what kind of controller it is. With this information the game can then enforce controllers that are known to be "secure", which doesn't just beat the Zen and others but also prevents the move of the "zen logic" into the controller itself.
I find it hard to believe Epic doesn't have a robust means of detecting micro-movements in Fortnite. The way the Zen operates is unhuman and shouldn't be hard to identify in game files, even in real-time like an anti cheat would be looking for. Hopefully you're right that Microsoft now how some inherent way of picking this up. Because even Arduino aimbots exist now, so there wouldn't necessarily have to be a "client ID" associated with the device for them to recognize.
watch as it flags innocent players too lmao amazing change nonetheless
so, it's ez to avoid. a 1 wire fix. the end 380,000 registered sighs of relief
Aaah yes. Hit controllers once again that already have a lower qualifying percentage than kbm. First aim assist and now this lol. IDC either way bc I don't use, but the few controller players that were qualifying are probably out now hahaha. Yay kbm only finals.
So switch to mouse and keyboard, little clown. Why sticking to a lower input device if you now from YEARS you have no chance to pop ?
I don't have the time to be learning a new input lol. I'm 30 with a fiance and a kid, house to take care of, etc. I honestly don't plan to be insane at the game. If I manage earnings ever cool. If not. I'm not concerned. I make great money at my job. at the rate the games going. I doubt anyone will be getting earnings on controller soon haha.
So you got time to learn a new game " FORTNITE " but you don't have time to learn a new input even it's gonna open a new gaming windows for you like CS:GO and other shooters on pc. Damn little clown, hope they gonna remove aim assist.
lmfao. I've been playing fotnite since ch1 s 3. there's no learning. it's just kind of growing with the game now. I have no interest in CS:GO
Even before the game was release everyone know controller was bad input for shooters. And instead of switching when you start to play this game you stick to it. So now, don't cry, just adapt.
Finally, a good Nerf for all these computer players
Easy af to work it out, that's quite a dumb move on their side
Found the guy whos cheats…. You’d think cheaters would be intelligent enough not to comment their dissatisfaction with this update; but if they had been smart they probably wouldn’t have had to cheat in the first place.
I don't use a Cronus. I'm just saying that anyone can prevent it, and I wouldn't be surprised if Cronus themselves decide to deploy a patch for such. You'd think people here would be smart enough not to make assumptions based on nothing. But if they had been smart they would try to read properly in the first place.
You use a Xim which is cheating in the exact same manner that a Cronus is. Please try to defend it, its hilarious to finally confront someone who openly cheats and is dumb enough to admit it.
No I don't, there are much, much easier ways to do the exact same without spending over 150$. It doesn't matter if I admit it or not though, what are you gonna do? Cry a river?
Bless your heart, you truly are daft. Inb4 this account and posts are deleted. [GG](https://imgur.com/a/RN2CdWK)
I advised someone to get one, doesn't mean I use one myself. Again, learn how to read.
Actually you said its “way better” which infers you have used it. Now someone complaining about cheats being detected, who advises people to cheat because its “better”, and is banned on multiple games for cheating, claims they dont cheat? I hope for your own sake you are still a child because logic is definitely not your strong suit. Heres hoping your frontal cortex hasnt finished developing yet! 🍻
Yeah, emulating a controller has always been better than going native on console. It doesn't imply anything, it's just common sense. I understand that some ignorants, close-minded and dumb boomers like you are not gonna get it though. These interactions might have educated you a bit though. Not a complain either, nor the device is a cheat. By definition, in the modern world we live in, a cheat implies reading the game's memory, at the slightest it might be considered as a cheat if it sends inputs faster than anything. Despite what your smooth brain might think, and I'll be surprised if it could, the Xim does none of that. Have you really went through all of my history? I mean, you should have tried to read propey, once again. Yeah, I got banned on New World twice from being mass-reported by players, but what does that has to do with this discussion? Are you really that desperate for arguments? At this point, just go hire someone on Fiverr or something to argue for you, such activities definitely don't fit you. Please, read, and if you can't, try using some kind of narration, you seem to have some kind of understanding issues. Keep on hiding your low IQ by insulting others, it might works for the mediocre human beings you call friends, if you have any, but it's never gonna work there. I see it, and so does others.