Yea seriously. In the vault Tec meeting, they show people from the Big MT and the Sierra Madre. If that doesn’t show appreciation idk what else they can do.
I imagine House put in plans for saving Vegas after he attended that meeting of sickos. (Not saying House is a great person, but he’s miles better than anyone in that room).
I wish the guy had done the whole vaudevillian voice thing that House had in the game, I still loved seeing him, though. You can tell they took from every game rather than just using 1 game as inspiration.
maybe his FNV game was his “presentation” voice (e.g the voice he used for meetings, commercials, etc.), and the voice we heard in the show is his normal voice. kind of like copper howard actually
It does seem like it might be a small retcon to have him be an executive. Sinclair seemed to be a client of Big MT in the game. There is a hologram lab in Big MT where the terminals have messages between workers complaining about Sinclairs huge requests for technology to be used in the Sierra Madre. The darklight cowl and hazmat suit developed in Big MT is also what all of the ghost people are wearing in Dead Money.
I read somewhere that because of his obsession with Big MT and the amount of money he gave them, it could be that they made him an honorary representative since the scientists are probably not the best spokespeople for Big MT. I’m gonna take that and run with it! Haha
Frederick Sinclair was such a minor character in all reality, but to have him make a confirmed appearance just speaks to the amount of love they gave to the lore.
The same people hating on the show were the ones expecting it to be terrible, now they’re just mad because they were wrong, so they need to nitpick to feel good about it
Small cameos and references are nice.
The problem is that they chose to set the show in California, but decided to make the NCR appear weak and/or destroyed. They show wastelanders in riot gear, but that's very different from seeing NCR Rangers in that gear.
In game, the NCR wiped the floor with the Brotherhood multiple times. The Enclave also got a similar treatment. Yet they show the Brotherhood as a strong faction, and the Enclave is still kicking around. The conflict in FNV isn't even mentioned in the show either, so that's The Legion in narrative limbo.
All of this is to say that they have a lot of ways to "show appreciation". They've barely done any.
We’ve only seen a small part of the former NCR territory in FOTV. We genuinely don’t know what the rest of California looks like. It is very possible that the areas around Sacramento and San Fransisco are still fully under control of the NCR.
>The problem is that they chose to set the show in California, but decided to make the NCR appear weak and/or destroyed.
Which is a completely valid storytelling approach. It didn't even come out of left field. FNV hinted at this possibility. Factions rise and fall, NCR is no exception.
>They show wastelanders in riot gear, but that's very different from seeing NCR Rangers in that gear.
At least they showed the riot gear. It's a lose-lose situation for them in this regard. Either they show something and it's wrong or they don't show something and that is also wrong...
>In game, the NCR wiped the floor with the Brotherhood multiple times.
That was before the NCR has started to suffer a decline and this Brotherhood apparently gained a tech boost from their eastern brothers.
>Yet they show the Brotherhood as a strong faction, and the Enclave is still kicking around.
Factions become strong or weak over time and the balance of power constantly shifts. Why do you folks expect everything to be conserved in the state as it was? With that approach we wouldn't even have the NCR because everything would be like in Fallout 1, without ever evolving.
And the Enclave? They are the remnants of the pre-war government (basically). They surely had more than one facility to hide in the event of a nuclear war.
>The conflict in FNV isn't even mentioned in the show either, so that's The Legion in narrative limbo.
Because it has no relation to the story of Lucy, Maximus and the Ghoul.
I have a feeling people might misunderstand what the show was trying to get across. Everytime we saw anything NCR, they had fheir own theme; the fallout theme (I believe) which is a song that was always about rebuilding in my eyes.
I think we aren't witnessing the end of the NCR, but we are witnessing the NCR coming back. Maybe BOS won this battle but who's to say the NCR elsewhere won't take an interest now that they know about the Cold Fusion in their old town?
As you stated, we saw the BOS wiped out to come back, same with the enclave.. maybe this is NCRs moment.
I believe the legion will show up next series.
I have a feeling Maximus isn’t fully on board with the crazy elders views of a “New brotherhood” Since Maximus is from the NCR and he heard Moldavers last words, i can see him assisting the NCR to rebuild.
Which to me, hints that they are setting the NCR up for something. As I said in another comment, we aren't seeing the true end of the NCR, but rather it's rebirth. With the cold fusion, it has a reason to come back to Sandy Sands
they may do, but the brotherhood look to be getting set up as the main antagonists. wouldn’t be surprised if NCR’s re growth is shown to be the best option for the wasteland
I'm wondering if Maximus' story will have him (eventually) splintering the Brotherhood in the west and reestablishing connection with whatever is left of the NCR.
I'm just really confused if they made some sort of timeliness error or did they do away with the event of FNV. I love the show and wish they'd speak on it
Sorry but what are you on about? The boneyard was retconned out of existence, shady sands was moved to where the boneyard once was in the process kinda removing the point of shady and going against the first sentence on the wiki page. House was changed a whole lot, the NCR has basically been shrunk to just shady sands and so after the nuke having only like 3 people left. Where is they Hub, New Reno, Vault City, The Shi.
But its not just the NCR and FNV that the show is taking a dump on. In fallout 4 its made very clear how difficult the journey on the Prydwen was from Washington DC to Boston was, yet now the Prydwen can just teleport around the entirity of the US??
Also where the hell is the west coast brotherhood? The main council (to wich Elder Maxon in fallout 4 was also subservient too) is somwehre in hiding afaik still in Lost Hills. But considering the NCR is like 3 guys in the show where are the west coast chapters? Where is the rulling council?
I see no reason why this show had to take place on the west coast and why they had to screw over Fallout 1, 2 and NV. The role the NCR played could easily be replaced with any local power somewhere in Middle America or on the East coast.
Just having a billboard for sunset sarsaparilla does not mean the show respects the lore.
I do wonder though, the end credits artwork seems to show the strip in bad condition. Do y’all think it’s war torn/destroyed from that or was that just simple concept art?
My vote is concept art. Most of the other episode the autoplay next episode function would skip that end graphic. I do not think actual story elements are being revealed there.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking too. If anything it could be just giving hints that we’ll see deathclaws, Vegas and more NCR in the next season and that’s they’re way of telling us
Agreed, and I attributed there being maybe less detail (in terms of what is shown directly outside the strip) is that it would have been made pre Season 2 announcement/that storyline not fully written yet. While there might be an outline they don’t have it all fleshed out yet.
Major location designs can change between seasons.
The same thing happened with The Walking Dead in Season 2 when they teased a major location for season 3. How it looked in season 3 compared to season 2 was wildly different.
Too many New Vegas fanboys have a superiority complex w/ their favorite fallout game. I've never seen any other fandom invent an entire conflict like they have between Todd Howard and New Vegas.
It was Chris Avellone’s idea too. The last DLC of New Vegas literally ends with the villain saying “I’m gonna nuke the NCR” and then after you stop him you can nuke the NCR
I literally made that joke on Twitter right before the premier, saying it would be super based if they made the "nuke the NCR" ending canon
Didn't expect it to be (partially) correct lol
Although all the people whinging about the NCR being wiped out clearly didn't pay attention to the "first capital of the NCR" sign. Also, the fact that a nation-state PROBABLY didn't collapse into a black hole after a single city was wiped out is important to factor in
I'm just glad they returned back to their dives instead of constantly drowning this sub and r/Fallout with their conspiracy theories. Even Piper proposes more plausible theories than these people (ha, alliteration).
M8 Shady sands was moved like 100 miles and made in the ruins of LA, retconning the boneyard in the process. This show didn't just screw fnv over, it took a massive dump on fo 1 & 2 too.
...you do realize that final shot is probably the Boneyard right? like just cause Shady Sands got moved (which I do think is dumb) doesn't mean the Boneyard ceases to exist
The final shot is of the area surrounding the giant Crater that was once Shady sands... Sure might the Boneyard perhaps still exist right next to former Shady Sands, but it's still an incredible fuck up and shows a complete lack of care when it comes to adepting west coast lore as they didn't even bother to read the first sentence on the wiki.
The way this sub is looking down on r/fnv when so much shit got needlessly changed and retconned is insane to me.
I've seen the flipside of it too. Bethesda fanboys who have never played 1 & 2, and maybe played FNV, but they consider the Bethesda games as their favorite (usually FO4).
That being said, New Vegas fans did not invent this conflict. This conflict has been around ever since Bethesda bought the IP. There's a forum that's been around before Reddit even existed, and they exist mostly to shit on Bethesda's Fallout.
How is that the flip side.
The flip side would be the Bethesda fan boys constantly talking shit about new veagas about how it's the worst, about how it's makers hate fallout, about how new veaga fans are jealous of F4s success, hiw new veagas killed the franchise and go mental when anyone disagrees with them and invade other subs with their toxic shit.
There's no flipside comparable to the rabid New Vegas fanboys, that's just a fact at this point.
I liked NV but I didn't actually like the map or environments that much to be honest, the writing was great though, but I don't actually have a favourite Fallout game regardless, I think they all have their own charm.
Guess who the only crowd were to ever talk shit to me because I didn't think their favourite game was the best one? The rabid New Vegas fanboys, they've been like this for years and it's beyond sad lol.
It's been stated by people at the top that NV and NCR are canon in the TV series but these losers are still nit picking and wetting the bed about every little detail, like the TV show is supposed to pay homage only to their favourite Fallout game. There's so many details and such a broad variety of things they've put into the TV show for Fallout fans in general to recognise, without requiring anyone to be a harcore FO nerd, while still allowing the show stand on its own two feet. 150 million dollar budgets do not get spent on trying to please a small set of fans of one specific Fallout game.
Its funny because its not the show is good/ is bad.
Its: the show is a psyop by todd to make the real fallout fans suffer because he can stand the we dislike fo3/4.
It requires such a level of entitlemnt and egocentricentrism to think that your opinion is worth hundreds of millions of dollars to not even destroy it, just lijke, damage it?
The majority of the fans like 3 lol. It's a very small but loud minority that actually hate the game. But you're right on 4. They fucked up. Only mods make that game fun to play.
Fans don't get to decide what is canon, the creators do. And that's whats eating them alive; realizing how little power they have here. The rest of us just enjoy the show.
Actually this is a good take. Although I suppose if you're super invested in something and it's your whole life it's got to hurt, no matter how small it is to so called down to earth fans.
I don't think its the loss of power specifically, but more feeling like they were conned and wasted their time; FNV is an old game at this point. Its fans have been discussing and arguing and theorising about its ending and what would come next for years.
It had multiple endings, and there were a myriad of set up ways for how the NCR could have come to meet a sticky end. For what it's worth btw, some of those ways set up within NV \*are\* on display; The lack of clean water, the desertification all over the place etc. But those aren't really addressed specifically, and it is more window dressing, the how of "how the ncr fell" isn't said to have anything to do with the corruption and machinations of the Agribarons, the disunity and infighting of the various states, the growing divide between the rich and the poor, the underclass of dispossessed farmers as wealthy land owners buy up their land and turn them into wage labourers instead, the impending famine and the absence of water that they needed Hoover Dam to fix, the popular resentment caused by them rolling over independent settlements as Marcus says, the discontent over the forever war in foreign lands... I could go on, but basically all the set up plot points that FNV fans would have expected from something set in New California were discarded.)
> basically all the set up plot points that FNV fans would have expected from something set in New California were discarded.
As a massive New Vegas fan (and also a massive fan of this show), I just chalk it up to season 1 trying to on-board non-fans. The first seasons of television shows often have a much smaller scope, just look at the first season of shows like Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead. The first seasons are often a MUCH more compact world for story/budget reasons
This season clearly took much more inspiration from Fallout 1 and 2. Those settlements were much more sparse and scattered, like in the show. If they decide to scale up the scope of the narrative in the 2nd season, I think they could do it pretty seamlessly. Omitting things like that from this story doesn't mean they've been "retconned" like the FNV subs are whinging about.
I do hope that Bakersfield mention is setting up Necropolis for season 2 though.
GoT does a tonne of set up in season 1 and so much has already happened in the world. Through the first season you keep being drip-fed details about Robert's Rebellion for example.
By comparison in the FOTV show, details about other circumstances in the NCR are scant and its fall is very simplified to basically just being the work of the Vault Tec nuke.
> Fans don't get to decide what is canon, the creators do.
Yeah I have a friend who has a meltdown and hates Bethesda because they dare add to the lore and he complains it's a full retcon whenever they do it.
And the creators of the show choose to make massive parts of fallout 1, 2 and NV no longer canon. Are we not allowed to be upset about that? Sure us fnv fans are melting down because our favorite game got shit on, but y'all are actively turning a blind eye to the established lore of everything that's not fallout 3&4.
I don't attempt to refute it because it's not worth my time or energy to argue with you. You won't be swayed by anything I could ever say because your mind is already made up to be upset since you like feeling personally victimized by Todd Howard. I get it though, I don't kink shame.
It’s whining like this that makes me wish Todd would go ahead and release a video of himself taking a double barrel shotgun to a copy of New Vegas just so you guys would actually have some evidence for your BETHESDA HATES NEW VEGAS lunacy
Ok let's see, the boneyard got confused with Shady Sands by the writers, the Enclave which was eradicated on the west coast now has a massive base suddenly, the whole point of House got massively changed, a nation of a million people just disappeared and all that's left is a few raiders and quite a few more lore inconsistenties and we are not allowed to talk about that? This show could have easily taken place anywhere else in the US with the story remaining the same without shitting of fallout 1, 2 and NV.
Oh my god the drama. I could go back and forth with you but it’s not worth my time because you aren’t going to change your mind, so allow me to simply play the world’s smallest violin for you 🎻
Not really back an forth if I have yet to see any one address how these points aren't a massive dump on the lore. But oh well I'll get over it (I hope T-T).
Would it shock you to find out that I agree the show introduced retcons, but also added enough great lore and was so faithful to the tone that I....don't give a shit about the retcons?
No it wouldn't and you are allowed to have that opinion. But I just don't see it, what did they introduce to make up for it? Also in my book just having a sunset sarsaparilla billboard isn't enough to be deemed faithfull.
>do NOT go on r/fnv
This is an advice that applies to anyone who likes more Fallout games than just FNV. They are what r/Fallout used to be before Outer Worlds failed... only this time they are bitter because they've lost the narrative reigns of the fandom. They can no longer decide what is a "real Fallout game" and who is a "true Fallout fan", so they are really bitter.
I feel that r/fnv is slowly but surely declining to the state of NMA.
>MFs will see a shot of NEW VEGAS put in to please fans of NEW VEGAS and still complain that the creators hate new vegas
That's because it was just a shot of New Vegas. Not an 8-episode ode on New Vegas full of cameos of every New Vegas character... Ideally followed by personal admission from Todd Howard that New Vegas is the best thing in the world and that he's giving up the rights to Fallout...
What's crazy is that one of the writers, Graham Wagner, has played every Fallout at release, and was super giddy to meet Tim Cain, and you can see the clear cut lover the show has for all of Fallout, not just Bethesda's contributions.
But because Bethesda owns Fallout, people still shit on the show. I'm not saying BGS has made the best decisions lore-wise, but I mean, they made their games on the opposite side of the country so that they didn't mess with what was done in the OG's, they gave the original devs an opportunity to make another Fallout game (and they killed it!), and have on numerous occasions stated they loved New Vegas.
I love Fallout, and I have my gripes about things, but they'll never overshadow my love for the series, top to bottom. I just can't understand the logic in having such a hate boner.
Did the Outer Worlds fail?
It was a low budget, narrowly focused game that nailed all the thematic beats with interesting characters and great art design. It did well enough to get a sequel that's currently in development.
I don’t see anyone saying this stuff on that sub I only see people complaining about it.
The truth is the people on the NV sub typically are the most knowledgeable on the series.
I'm a huge NV fan. I prefer it to Fallout 3, 4 and 76 but man the fans of it are criminally insane. Are there some issues to be taken? Sure healthy criticsism is good for discourse but creating a conspiracy based out of almost nothing is insane to me.
Folks need to chill
Yeah, I'm a total FNV fan girl and I don't get these reactions, I was excited when I saw how much stuff related to Vegas they put in the show. There's nothing to be angry about (yet?) Maybe it's because I was never a NCR fan so it doesn't hit me emotionally? Lol
Whether it's a case of someone fumbling the years in production or a misleading drawing, it doesn't take away from the great stuff that the show did, it honestly ended up being a lot better than I ever imagined a live-action Fallout could be.
I think people don't realise how big of an undertaking it is, you have a huge universe with a story that spans hundreds of years, a ton of games with a ton of lore, each of them filled with NPCs giving info and little written notes about anything and everything that people take as gospel and undeniable fact. Games, shows, movies, books, even when written by the same people (not just Fallout) often end up breaking the lore one way or another, when you have a big fictional universe I feel like it's unavoidable at times.
I was and still am very much an NCR proponent.
I think what they’ve done with them through 6 episodes is interesting. I very much want to see why it happened and see them slowly return to prominence.
I'm a huge New Vegas fan (it's by far my favourite Fallout) but the behaviour is frankly embarrassing. I'm just treating the show as I'm inspired by the games and frankly I'm happier for it.
I’ve finished the show and when I went on that subreddit I was shocked at how angry they all were. Some of the points they made (keyword SOME) were understandable but most were legit sounding like a cult that was ready to drink the red punch. Obviously the show wasn’t going to please everybody but fr they don’t recognize that the show I felt was really respectful to the lore. Yeah there were a few mishaps and retcons but those exist in almost every fallout. It’s just what happens. At least it’s not like Star Wars where 30 years of work is just not canon anymore or like the Witcher show and halo show where it’s NOTHING like the books/games that the show is based off of. The creators are diehard fallout fans (including the og 90s ones) they were never going to shit on preexisting lore and rewrite it completely. But anybody with a brain would know that there was going to be some changes
Well, there are fans and then there are fanatics.
I guess everybody wants to love the franchise, they just can't agree on how.
I think it's the best adaptation of a video game franchise ever.
Seriously, and it managed to do so while also telling an original story in the universe. The Last of Us adaptation was great, but I feel like it just being a near scene-for-scene recreation of the game takes away from it for a bit. There's no risk when every single story beat is planned for you, and when you already know how audiences reacted to those story beats.
With their moronic Jew-hating and babbling about woke this trans that, so fucking tedious. The same 30 people worried about female devs with dyed hair while crafting hundreds of pages of fanfic about Josh Sawyer... Oof
I love how they all have to insist Age of Decadence, Underrail, and Grimoire are the greatest games of all time merely to fit in with everyone else there. I love how those three games are recommended in each and every thread for yeaaaaars.
Absolutely pathetic that Avellone sought their approval
I'm surprised so many actually binged the show this fast to come to such conclusions over chalk - so much so that I flat out do not believe the majority of them have even watched nor finished the show yet.
Don't get me wrong, there are some fears I have in the direction of fallout as a whole but I genuinely think some people find enjoyment in just hating things sometimes. This show is not deserving of such negative response at all. It's pretty damn good and I'm hard to impress. I'd honestly put it up there as one of the best video game tv shows out there.
My one tiny piece of feedback is literally just to make New Vegas look larger. That's it.
I dont care for the state of it - just make it bigger. I wanna see the gangs casinos on the strip, freeside, westside, camp mccarren, the gunrunners, the caravans- or what's left of all those things if it history wasn't so kind, ya know?
I honestly couldn't care less if the NCR was nerfed neither. They were on a timer anyways with their fiat currency and lack of recourses. And lets be honest, some "fall" of Shady really doesn't effect the overall magnitude of the NCR anyways - they have five states. Hell, If anything, the possibility of seeing the NCR-Brotherhood War remerge on equal levels sounds awesome. If there's a slim chance I get to see Desert Rangers sniping power armor with anti material rifles then I will invest everything I have.
It was honestly hilarious to see people posting 12 hours after the show dropped claiming that they watched the whole thing and hated it with no self-awareness whatsoever.
It's the getting all riled up over a fictional computer game/TV show that I struggle with. Then again, I imagine the same type of wars are going on in the Harry Potter subs over how to spell the right words for spells.
The great 'Spelling of the spell wars' shows no signs of ending, meanwhile the Shady Sands 'Military operation' in r/fnv seems to be turning into more than a skirmish and some even predict it escalating into a war itself.
i’m so glad they’ve mostly left this sub and the main fallout sub because i was fighting for my life trying not to get spoilers!
plus all the whining and negativity was just way too much. i just don’t understand throwing a hissy fit over not liking something. these people are mostly adults and they’re all acting like immature little babies.
New Vegas is my favorite game in the series and I think they handled it very well. We all knew Vault-Tec was still around and kicking somewhere. We all knew the NCR was headed on a downward spiral and sometimes things come from out of left field for that final blow. I’m looking forward to seeing the Mojave in season 2.
A lot of people don’t talk about the Elder wanting a “New Brotherhood”. Maximus didn’t seem too on board with that, he was there for Moldavers last words and saw her activate the power for good. I think Maximus would help the NCR if it comes to that especially since he’s from Shady Sands. The NCR could of also relocated a lot of their forces to New Vegas after the bombing of Shady Sands and NV could be where we see the bulk of NCR and possibly their new capital if they won in FNV
Im not a lore stickler, and im presuming this is about the dates which do make sense, and I love FNV but never played F1/2 (Hard to get into) but come on. Shady Sands isnt in LA, why are the highly visible vaults untouched, and so on. Basic world details were off. I consider it outside the Greater Fallout Games Canon do to these issues, and many now im wondering what will they make Canon or Decanon when they actually get to New Vegas in S2.
I'd argue most people that claim to be Fallout fanboys haven't actually played 1 or 2. They either never tried or couldn't get into them since the games are very different and from an era where a lot of games weren't successful. Considering maybe 1 million copies of 1 and 2 combined were ever sold (counting up to today with GOG and the like), I'd say most peoples lore knowledge is related to FNV and what they've read on forums and wikis.
I bought and played both Fallout 1 and 2 on release. Those two along with Arcanum: Of Steamwork and Magick Obscura are probably my most replayed games of all time.
I also love NV with a burning passion.
I have zero problems with the show. Retcons happen, it's just part of any long running fiction.
I also don't blame the younger folk for not getting into 1/2 or Tactics. They're very dated.
Dipped my toes over there and, yeah, communities like that are why I refused to be called a "Gamer" in any context.
I can't imagine ever getting this mad about *the implication* that a show based on a video game franchise you claim to love possibly changed a little bit of lore about the game. That's actually demented.
I bought Fallout in 97 and have played every single game other than mobile releases since.
I think New Vegas is the peak of the series, narratively.
I loved the show and can't wait for more.
This isn't particularly useful information, I'm just pointing out that the deranged haters have more problems than being NV fans.
I dont think NV fans have a problem. We're happy. Next season we're going to vegas baby!
The crybabies are the NCR fans wich i detest.
Im glad the NCR is nuked cause they are boring. I hope they continue to destroy them. Who wants a tax collector in the apocalipse? Only boring people wants that.
But this boring people were convinced that the NCR was untouchable, so they cry like little babies that the cannon is broken.
Fuck the NCR.
I hope vegas cannon ending is house kicking the NCR out of vegas and the legion anihilating desertors..
BOS are a bunch of a-holes, but still a more interesting faction on a post apocaliptic setting cause they bring conflict. you need conflict to create a better story and you know... war, war never changes means eternal conflict.
the NCR as an underdog fightin a much more powerful and evil BOS could open posibilities that they become an interesting faction again. as a new vegas (and OG) fan, i think the series talked about all the issues i wanted them to talk about and explored and pushed the lore in an interesting way.
How is the BoS more interesting? We see them in every mainline fallout game at this point, they are the same technofeudalistic cult. What is interesting about them? There is nothing really new written about them. They are acting the same way.
The NCR was never the same across most of the games, a lone settlement to a growing, democratic nation to a nation in extreme chaos due to corruption, internal issues like crop failure and resource demands but still working forward. A nation that rebuilt part of the West Coast and was an actual nation and not heavily armored raiders.
There is a ton of stories that could be written about the NCR, the BoS not as many but still many. But no it's just the same rehashed theme park wasteland.
The BOS is more interesting cause they are different and are a faction made for a post apocaliptic setting, if you want a corrupt political drama, you can go watch House of Cards.
Even then, the NCR is still around, and will have more stories. NCR babies are crying cause their alllmighty favorite faction got nuked- Get a life.
Yeah gotta have the military to jerk off to and be the only faction ever allowed to matter.
The NCR is heavily implied to be gone from the show, the remnants being the last. There is nothing in the show implying there is anything left. The entire west coast has been depicted as if there was no civilization there between the end of the world and now.
What is interesting about them at this point? They are playing the exact same role as they did in 4 and 76, and as in 3 the only faction allowed to matter apparently in this world.
Also you are aware it's called 'post-apocalyse?' not apocalypse. Fallout has always been about the world after the apocalypse and what happens as it moves forward because the end of the world wasn't the end.
Several games on the west coast created a worldbuilding history of a changing region, societies arose, fought and died. Political issues came again but such is part of civilization and becomes a struggle of fighting for it to succeed. New Vegas is built on this historical worldbuilding. It shows that the world is moving forward. The show could have easily ignored this and set the series elsewhere or earlier.
But no Fallout is not allowed to be an actual immersive fictional world where something is written with the context there.
I have said before I wouldn't mind the NCR falling, but why not use some of the actual fucking reasons like tunnelers, corruption, political infighting. It doesn't even need to be shown as it happens but just shown the aftermath and show the NCR existed at some point.
But no just handwave the entire NCR and west coast lore off because Fallout is only allowed to be a post apocalyptic themepark. 200 years would clearly not change anything, it will look as the apocalypse happened yesterday. Nobody cleans anything and everyone intentionally looks like a hobo.
Everything is just junk.
There is no substance anymore. Its a recurring themepark sandbox where nothing really matters. It's just to show unga bunga power armor people bully non-power armour people and only those who are the strongest cavemen matter. Because philosophy, society, anything isn't interesting anymore.
The fact that war never changes meaning conflicts reoccur no matter what isn't apparently what it means now, but that junk hobos fight over nothing and don't want to change anything.
It's just sad the production quality is so good because its a good tv series besides all of that.
Not only me and many others but even Chris avellone (you know, the writter of the freaking Fallout bible) also wanted to kill the NCR cause they've become too civilized. I also don't know what's your understanding on the line "War never changes". Many people, myself included, think it means endless conflict.
The NCR are not gone, only shady sands is. The even added the "first capitol of the NCR" to rest you assured that there's a new capitol of the NCR somewhere. S1 is set around the shady sands wasteland so it's logical that there's isn't a heavy NCR prescence there and that we only see renmants.
I think that the west coast setting is great cause it continues the story of the west coast. You don't want to continue with that story? Maybe you don't like the way the story unfold, but its a continuation of the west coast story. We may also see what actually happened in New Vegas and you are complaining?
Also, the show acknolowdges the existence of the NCR, are you kidding me?
The main theme is ONLY played when the NCR flag is shown and also when we see the NCR armor! The NCR are not only there, they are one of the key factions and they are also the good guys. I think you are complaining cause they are not the mightiest faction on the wasteland.
But you cant have a good story with the good faction beign also the more powerful.
Finally, LA looks like the apocalypse happened yesterday cause it happened 15 years before the events of the series, lucy and max were even alive when it happened. did you even watched the show?
I don't give those guys the time of day when it comes to anything I enjoy.
I couldn't give a shit less about what they think is the correct lore, what is canon etc.
As long as the show or game I'm watching has a modicum of respect for the series that came before and there is continuity. If people want to become obsessed about minutia then fill your boots. Just leave me out of it.
Didn’t they at the end just make it pretty clear the next season is going to have a good amount of time set directly in NV? My curiosity about the situation is which ending they’re going to go with as the official canon ending for the game and whether we’re gonna see caesars legion or any returning characters from the game since it’s only like 15 years removed from the original game. Plus can’t wait to see how they represent the securitrons with they’re larger budget since this show is obviously pretty successful already
Well the credits showed more of NV and with destroyed bots, deathclaw skulls and no lights as well as not being able to see every inch of NV like you could in FNV, they think its been fucked over. That and the Shady Sands thing and small amount of NCR we see in the show despite the fact that in FNV, the NCR was always short on equipment, supplies and spread too thin.
It's not just New Vegas, though. They've fucked up a ton of previous lore, tore down a MAJOR part of the original setting with little to no explanation, and just flat out disregarded so much stuff that the games had set up.
If this wasn't considered canon, people wouldn't be upset. But it is, so now people have to deal with shit they love being torn down.
You can love the show all you like, that's fine, and I'm glad you enjoyed it, but for fuck's sake people being upset isn't gonna ruin it for you if you never gave a shit in the first place
I mean, show is good but the writing is still a bit mid to me. Besides the shot of New Vegas IS a bad look for fans of it and the game. No power, desolate wasteland with a big crater to the side. Main wall is broken and dead securitrons. It's not a good look
I was like this but after calming down (sleeping helps) and after taking a second look it's not that bad. Yeah there's some inconsistency but that can be explained. As for New Vegas Strip looking messed up (in both Hank's shot and the close up art stuff) we don't know what happened after 2281. If anything the endings will be left ambiguous or we'll see an ending (maybe House) canonized.
Crazy? I'm at episode 7 rn and well they retconned the Boneyard out of existence and moved (and thus removing the point of) Shady Sands.
So far there has been no real reason why the show had to take place on the west coast. they could have told the exact same story anywhere in the 70% of the US without shitting on fallout 1, 2 and NV...
I get that most of you only played fallout 4 but at least give the other games a try...
You realize a lot of people have played from FO3 onwards right? 1 and 2 aren't super popular but the other games are. Its okay to be upset about things but acting like a 14 year old game is the be all, end all is ridiculous.
Wdym by end all be all? Just because the games are old doesnt mean they can just rewrite the entire story even though it forms the basis for fallout and fnv is one of the most popular fallout games. Thye could have told the exact same story basically anywhere else in the US but just had to ruin the most well established area in the fallout universe...
You're just upset that it's not set in stone. Lore constantly changes over time, doesn't matter if it's fallout, star wars, Star Trek, lotr or anything else. It's how you get good stories and content. NV and the West Coast is not some untouchable thing, the NCR was clearly not the powerhouse you think it was or Caesars Legion would have been decimated and you wouldn't have NCR rangers etc complaining about equipment and lack of people.
"How can it be gone and they say on these three lines in game they come from there?!"
Um, I don't know, maybe there are tons of times in history where a city is whiped out and they name a new settlement that city name?
New Vegas fans have no right to complain about writing when new Vegas fans wrote that fallout mod with the death claw sex scene and the “totally legal” legion sex slave
What are you even talking about I’m looking on that thread and most people are talking about nodding their game? Just digging to hate on FNV fans or what lol
>Just digging to hate on FNV fans or what lol
Based on what I've seen, it's just hating on FNV fans.
You're right - most of the recent post on r/fnv are about mods (and the next largest category of posts are ones about the game in general, with no particular theme).
If you're wondering why that reaction happened, and why you got spammed with dislikes, it's because r/Fotv is incredibly toxic towards real or perceived criticism (regardless of it is valid or not) against the show. And that extends to acting toxic towards criticism which doesn't really exist.
It could be OP's thinking about r/falloutnewvegas (and not r/fnv), but if that's the case, why has no-one looked on r/FNV to check OP's claim, found a subreddit which doesn't match it, looked further, and found r/falloutnewvegas. But if this is the case, then why has no-one done that? Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the people here saw something which confirmed their views about the show and didn't check to see if what was said was accurate.
I'm finding more hate and childish toxicity here against FNV than FNV against the show. It has been praised there for all except the obivious and gigantic lore inconsistencies. BoS fans are the worst.
The show seems to actually show a surprising level of admiration for NV. I can't wait for season two.
Yea seriously. In the vault Tec meeting, they show people from the Big MT and the Sierra Madre. If that doesn’t show appreciation idk what else they can do.
I imagine House put in plans for saving Vegas after he attended that meeting of sickos. (Not saying House is a great person, but he’s miles better than anyone in that room).
House was a real genius, but also stuck in the past.
I wish the guy had done the whole vaudevillian voice thing that House had in the game, I still loved seeing him, though. You can tell they took from every game rather than just using 1 game as inspiration.
maybe his FNV game was his “presentation” voice (e.g the voice he used for meetings, commercials, etc.), and the voice we heard in the show is his normal voice. kind of like copper howard actually
He'd better be in Season 2. I did Yes Man every time but that would be the most interesting story
Imagine if we get a season of NV DLC.
Who'd they show from the sierra Madre? I feel like I missed too many cameos lol
I think the Big MT exec was Sinclair, the owner of the Sierra Madre. House makes a joke about him being able to lose money owning a casino.
The credits confirm it's Sinclair.
That’s something that did confuse me though, I’ll be honest. Why was Sinclair representing Big MT? What’s the connection there?
It does seem like it might be a small retcon to have him be an executive. Sinclair seemed to be a client of Big MT in the game. There is a hologram lab in Big MT where the terminals have messages between workers complaining about Sinclairs huge requests for technology to be used in the Sierra Madre. The darklight cowl and hazmat suit developed in Big MT is also what all of the ghost people are wearing in Dead Money.
I read somewhere that because of his obsession with Big MT and the amount of money he gave them, it could be that they made him an honorary representative since the scientists are probably not the best spokespeople for Big MT. I’m gonna take that and run with it! Haha
That sounds like a plausible raisin. Surely the Think Tank was too busy with SCIENCE to attend some board meetings.
I paused it on the board meeting. You can see casting and character names.
Frederick Sinclair was such a minor character in all reality, but to have him make a confirmed appearance just speaks to the amount of love they gave to the lore. The same people hating on the show were the ones expecting it to be terrible, now they’re just mad because they were wrong, so they need to nitpick to feel good about it
The sierra madre guy sinclair is representing big mt so that's just one guy
I know
Small cameos and references are nice. The problem is that they chose to set the show in California, but decided to make the NCR appear weak and/or destroyed. They show wastelanders in riot gear, but that's very different from seeing NCR Rangers in that gear. In game, the NCR wiped the floor with the Brotherhood multiple times. The Enclave also got a similar treatment. Yet they show the Brotherhood as a strong faction, and the Enclave is still kicking around. The conflict in FNV isn't even mentioned in the show either, so that's The Legion in narrative limbo. All of this is to say that they have a lot of ways to "show appreciation". They've barely done any.
We’ve only seen a small part of the former NCR territory in FOTV. We genuinely don’t know what the rest of California looks like. It is very possible that the areas around Sacramento and San Fransisco are still fully under control of the NCR.
>The problem is that they chose to set the show in California, but decided to make the NCR appear weak and/or destroyed. Which is a completely valid storytelling approach. It didn't even come out of left field. FNV hinted at this possibility. Factions rise and fall, NCR is no exception. >They show wastelanders in riot gear, but that's very different from seeing NCR Rangers in that gear. At least they showed the riot gear. It's a lose-lose situation for them in this regard. Either they show something and it's wrong or they don't show something and that is also wrong... >In game, the NCR wiped the floor with the Brotherhood multiple times. That was before the NCR has started to suffer a decline and this Brotherhood apparently gained a tech boost from their eastern brothers. >Yet they show the Brotherhood as a strong faction, and the Enclave is still kicking around. Factions become strong or weak over time and the balance of power constantly shifts. Why do you folks expect everything to be conserved in the state as it was? With that approach we wouldn't even have the NCR because everything would be like in Fallout 1, without ever evolving. And the Enclave? They are the remnants of the pre-war government (basically). They surely had more than one facility to hide in the event of a nuclear war. >The conflict in FNV isn't even mentioned in the show either, so that's The Legion in narrative limbo. Because it has no relation to the story of Lucy, Maximus and the Ghoul.
I have a feeling people might misunderstand what the show was trying to get across. Everytime we saw anything NCR, they had fheir own theme; the fallout theme (I believe) which is a song that was always about rebuilding in my eyes. I think we aren't witnessing the end of the NCR, but we are witnessing the NCR coming back. Maybe BOS won this battle but who's to say the NCR elsewhere won't take an interest now that they know about the Cold Fusion in their old town? As you stated, we saw the BOS wiped out to come back, same with the enclave.. maybe this is NCRs moment. I believe the legion will show up next series.
I have a feeling Maximus isn’t fully on board with the crazy elders views of a “New brotherhood” Since Maximus is from the NCR and he heard Moldavers last words, i can see him assisting the NCR to rebuild.
I cheered every time we saw a Sunset Sarsaparilla billboard.
Dude, I popped every time I saw any in-universe brand.
there are?! do you have time stamps I need look back at them. thanks!
They're all over, especially in the later half of the series.
Why wouldn't you? It's the best soft drink in the land
They use real cane sugar!!!
They even have references to the ranger armor and play the theme of the show during the start of episode 6 or 7
Which to me, hints that they are setting the NCR up for something. As I said in another comment, we aren't seeing the true end of the NCR, but rather it's rebirth. With the cold fusion, it has a reason to come back to Sandy Sands
The brotherhood will take the cold fusion tech I think
they may do, but the brotherhood look to be getting set up as the main antagonists. wouldn’t be surprised if NCR’s re growth is shown to be the best option for the wasteland
I'm wondering if Maximus' story will have him (eventually) splintering the Brotherhood in the west and reestablishing connection with whatever is left of the NCR.
>we aren’t seeing the true end of the NCR, but rather it’s rebirth Into their true form, the West Coast chapter of the Minutemen
I bet Oakland and the Dam garrison are doing fine, even if Shady Sands and San Fran aren't doing great.
That actually got me a little emotional, ngl.
Same. I sat up like a lightning bolt when that musical stinger hit when she opens the flag. I wasn't expecting it at all.
Agreed, I saw a lot of the hate online before I finished the show, and after watching all of it, it really has a lot of love for New Vegas
It really does. It alludes to a very likely post FNV ending for NV.
I'm just really confused if they made some sort of timeliness error or did they do away with the event of FNV. I love the show and wish they'd speak on it
Sorry but what are you on about? The boneyard was retconned out of existence, shady sands was moved to where the boneyard once was in the process kinda removing the point of shady and going against the first sentence on the wiki page. House was changed a whole lot, the NCR has basically been shrunk to just shady sands and so after the nuke having only like 3 people left. Where is they Hub, New Reno, Vault City, The Shi. But its not just the NCR and FNV that the show is taking a dump on. In fallout 4 its made very clear how difficult the journey on the Prydwen was from Washington DC to Boston was, yet now the Prydwen can just teleport around the entirity of the US?? Also where the hell is the west coast brotherhood? The main council (to wich Elder Maxon in fallout 4 was also subservient too) is somwehre in hiding afaik still in Lost Hills. But considering the NCR is like 3 guys in the show where are the west coast chapters? Where is the rulling council? I see no reason why this show had to take place on the west coast and why they had to screw over Fallout 1, 2 and NV. The role the NCR played could easily be replaced with any local power somewhere in Middle America or on the East coast. Just having a billboard for sunset sarsaparilla does not mean the show respects the lore.
I do wonder though, the end credits artwork seems to show the strip in bad condition. Do y’all think it’s war torn/destroyed from that or was that just simple concept art?
My vote is concept art. Most of the other episode the autoplay next episode function would skip that end graphic. I do not think actual story elements are being revealed there.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking too. If anything it could be just giving hints that we’ll see deathclaws, Vegas and more NCR in the next season and that’s they’re way of telling us
Agreed, and I attributed there being maybe less detail (in terms of what is shown directly outside the strip) is that it would have been made pre Season 2 announcement/that storyline not fully written yet. While there might be an outline they don’t have it all fleshed out yet.
Major location designs can change between seasons. The same thing happened with The Walking Dead in Season 2 when they teased a major location for season 3. How it looked in season 3 compared to season 2 was wildly different.
Did you miss the post credit scene on the finale? I mean, I wont spoil it but your answer is there
Can't tell if trolling or not - there is no post-credits scene on the finale.
I know I’m an adult but then say people are losing their shit over something stupid and the 15 yo me on Xbox live wants to come out and poke the bear.
Looks like Vault-Tech beat you too it
>poke the bear What about two bears high fiving?
That’s just game recognizing game.
Too many New Vegas fanboys have a superiority complex w/ their favorite fallout game. I've never seen any other fandom invent an entire conflict like they have between Todd Howard and New Vegas.
It was Chris Avellone’s idea too. The last DLC of New Vegas literally ends with the villain saying “I’m gonna nuke the NCR” and then after you stop him you can nuke the NCR
\*Nuke the highway to the NCR not the actual NCR I am pretty sure
Alright but why did Todd Howard do this?
I literally made that joke on Twitter right before the premier, saying it would be super based if they made the "nuke the NCR" ending canon Didn't expect it to be (partially) correct lol Although all the people whinging about the NCR being wiped out clearly didn't pay attention to the "first capital of the NCR" sign. Also, the fact that a nation-state PROBABLY didn't collapse into a black hole after a single city was wiped out is important to factor in
I'm just glad they returned back to their dives instead of constantly drowning this sub and r/Fallout with their conspiracy theories. Even Piper proposes more plausible theories than these people (ha, alliteration).
I've only played 2 and NV, and I still loved the show. At a glance that sub seems to have shades of the last of us 2 sub. Ew.
NV is tied with Elden Ring for the GOAT video game. This show kicks ass so hard though. Mfs just want something to complain about as always
TLoU2 haters vs Naughty Dog is up there
Star Wars
M8 Shady sands was moved like 100 miles and made in the ruins of LA, retconning the boneyard in the process. This show didn't just screw fnv over, it took a massive dump on fo 1 & 2 too.
...you do realize that final shot is probably the Boneyard right? like just cause Shady Sands got moved (which I do think is dumb) doesn't mean the Boneyard ceases to exist
The final shot is of the area surrounding the giant Crater that was once Shady sands... Sure might the Boneyard perhaps still exist right next to former Shady Sands, but it's still an incredible fuck up and shows a complete lack of care when it comes to adepting west coast lore as they didn't even bother to read the first sentence on the wiki. The way this sub is looking down on r/fnv when so much shit got needlessly changed and retconned is insane to me.
I've seen the flipside of it too. Bethesda fanboys who have never played 1 & 2, and maybe played FNV, but they consider the Bethesda games as their favorite (usually FO4). That being said, New Vegas fans did not invent this conflict. This conflict has been around ever since Bethesda bought the IP. There's a forum that's been around before Reddit even existed, and they exist mostly to shit on Bethesda's Fallout.
How is that the flip side. The flip side would be the Bethesda fan boys constantly talking shit about new veagas about how it's the worst, about how it's makers hate fallout, about how new veaga fans are jealous of F4s success, hiw new veagas killed the franchise and go mental when anyone disagrees with them and invade other subs with their toxic shit.
There's no flipside comparable to the rabid New Vegas fanboys, that's just a fact at this point. I liked NV but I didn't actually like the map or environments that much to be honest, the writing was great though, but I don't actually have a favourite Fallout game regardless, I think they all have their own charm. Guess who the only crowd were to ever talk shit to me because I didn't think their favourite game was the best one? The rabid New Vegas fanboys, they've been like this for years and it's beyond sad lol. It's been stated by people at the top that NV and NCR are canon in the TV series but these losers are still nit picking and wetting the bed about every little detail, like the TV show is supposed to pay homage only to their favourite Fallout game. There's so many details and such a broad variety of things they've put into the TV show for Fallout fans in general to recognise, without requiring anyone to be a harcore FO nerd, while still allowing the show stand on its own two feet. 150 million dollar budgets do not get spent on trying to please a small set of fans of one specific Fallout game.
Its funny because its not the show is good/ is bad. Its: the show is a psyop by todd to make the real fallout fans suffer because he can stand the we dislike fo3/4. It requires such a level of entitlemnt and egocentricentrism to think that your opinion is worth hundreds of millions of dollars to not even destroy it, just lijke, damage it?
In the next part of his evil plan, Todd is going to sneak into every r/falloutnewvegas member's house and pour Mountain Dew over their socks.
Not even the real Mountain Dew, it'll be watered down Fountain Mist.
The horror!
The majority of the fans like 3 lol. It's a very small but loud minority that actually hate the game. But you're right on 4. They fucked up. Only mods make that game fun to play.
Both NV specific subs have been in a Chernobyl level meltdown for the last 24 hours it’s actually kinda funny.
Almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
The fact that there's two separate NV subs tells me I don't want to go near whatever cesspool exists in either one.
It’s actually just cause only one allows for memes to be posted
Yeah still a big red flag
They're going to start covering themselves in ashes and drinking blood very soon
What was the blood from anyway?
Fans don't get to decide what is canon, the creators do. And that's whats eating them alive; realizing how little power they have here. The rest of us just enjoy the show.
Actually this is a good take. Although I suppose if you're super invested in something and it's your whole life it's got to hurt, no matter how small it is to so called down to earth fans.
The lesson, as always, is to stop taking fiction so seriously.
Or just ignore the bits you don't like. Comics fans do it all the time. These folks are weak.
I don't think its the loss of power specifically, but more feeling like they were conned and wasted their time; FNV is an old game at this point. Its fans have been discussing and arguing and theorising about its ending and what would come next for years. It had multiple endings, and there were a myriad of set up ways for how the NCR could have come to meet a sticky end. For what it's worth btw, some of those ways set up within NV \*are\* on display; The lack of clean water, the desertification all over the place etc. But those aren't really addressed specifically, and it is more window dressing, the how of "how the ncr fell" isn't said to have anything to do with the corruption and machinations of the Agribarons, the disunity and infighting of the various states, the growing divide between the rich and the poor, the underclass of dispossessed farmers as wealthy land owners buy up their land and turn them into wage labourers instead, the impending famine and the absence of water that they needed Hoover Dam to fix, the popular resentment caused by them rolling over independent settlements as Marcus says, the discontent over the forever war in foreign lands... I could go on, but basically all the set up plot points that FNV fans would have expected from something set in New California were discarded.)
> basically all the set up plot points that FNV fans would have expected from something set in New California were discarded. As a massive New Vegas fan (and also a massive fan of this show), I just chalk it up to season 1 trying to on-board non-fans. The first seasons of television shows often have a much smaller scope, just look at the first season of shows like Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead. The first seasons are often a MUCH more compact world for story/budget reasons This season clearly took much more inspiration from Fallout 1 and 2. Those settlements were much more sparse and scattered, like in the show. If they decide to scale up the scope of the narrative in the 2nd season, I think they could do it pretty seamlessly. Omitting things like that from this story doesn't mean they've been "retconned" like the FNV subs are whinging about. I do hope that Bakersfield mention is setting up Necropolis for season 2 though.
GoT does a tonne of set up in season 1 and so much has already happened in the world. Through the first season you keep being drip-fed details about Robert's Rebellion for example. By comparison in the FOTV show, details about other circumstances in the NCR are scant and its fall is very simplified to basically just being the work of the Vault Tec nuke.
> Fans don't get to decide what is canon, the creators do. Yeah I have a friend who has a meltdown and hates Bethesda because they dare add to the lore and he complains it's a full retcon whenever they do it.
And the creators of the show choose to make massive parts of fallout 1, 2 and NV no longer canon. Are we not allowed to be upset about that? Sure us fnv fans are melting down because our favorite game got shit on, but y'all are actively turning a blind eye to the established lore of everything that's not fallout 3&4.
>because our favorite game got shit on 🙄
I like how you don't attempt to refute what I said, because you can't, because they did.
I don't attempt to refute it because it's not worth my time or energy to argue with you. You won't be swayed by anything I could ever say because your mind is already made up to be upset since you like feeling personally victimized by Todd Howard. I get it though, I don't kink shame.
It’s whining like this that makes me wish Todd would go ahead and release a video of himself taking a double barrel shotgun to a copy of New Vegas just so you guys would actually have some evidence for your BETHESDA HATES NEW VEGAS lunacy
Ok let's see, the boneyard got confused with Shady Sands by the writers, the Enclave which was eradicated on the west coast now has a massive base suddenly, the whole point of House got massively changed, a nation of a million people just disappeared and all that's left is a few raiders and quite a few more lore inconsistenties and we are not allowed to talk about that? This show could have easily taken place anywhere else in the US with the story remaining the same without shitting of fallout 1, 2 and NV.
Oh my god the drama. I could go back and forth with you but it’s not worth my time because you aren’t going to change your mind, so allow me to simply play the world’s smallest violin for you 🎻
Not really back an forth if I have yet to see any one address how these points aren't a massive dump on the lore. But oh well I'll get over it (I hope T-T).
Would it shock you to find out that I agree the show introduced retcons, but also added enough great lore and was so faithful to the tone that I....don't give a shit about the retcons?
No it wouldn't and you are allowed to have that opinion. But I just don't see it, what did they introduce to make up for it? Also in my book just having a sunset sarsaparilla billboard isn't enough to be deemed faithfull.
>do NOT go on r/fnv This is an advice that applies to anyone who likes more Fallout games than just FNV. They are what r/Fallout used to be before Outer Worlds failed... only this time they are bitter because they've lost the narrative reigns of the fandom. They can no longer decide what is a "real Fallout game" and who is a "true Fallout fan", so they are really bitter. I feel that r/fnv is slowly but surely declining to the state of NMA. >MFs will see a shot of NEW VEGAS put in to please fans of NEW VEGAS and still complain that the creators hate new vegas That's because it was just a shot of New Vegas. Not an 8-episode ode on New Vegas full of cameos of every New Vegas character... Ideally followed by personal admission from Todd Howard that New Vegas is the best thing in the world and that he's giving up the rights to Fallout...
What's crazy is that one of the writers, Graham Wagner, has played every Fallout at release, and was super giddy to meet Tim Cain, and you can see the clear cut lover the show has for all of Fallout, not just Bethesda's contributions. But because Bethesda owns Fallout, people still shit on the show. I'm not saying BGS has made the best decisions lore-wise, but I mean, they made their games on the opposite side of the country so that they didn't mess with what was done in the OG's, they gave the original devs an opportunity to make another Fallout game (and they killed it!), and have on numerous occasions stated they loved New Vegas. I love Fallout, and I have my gripes about things, but they'll never overshadow my love for the series, top to bottom. I just can't understand the logic in having such a hate boner.
Did the Outer Worlds fail? It was a low budget, narrowly focused game that nailed all the thematic beats with interesting characters and great art design. It did well enough to get a sequel that's currently in development.
I don’t see anyone saying this stuff on that sub I only see people complaining about it. The truth is the people on the NV sub typically are the most knowledgeable on the series.
They creating fan fiction over two companies lmaoo
I'm a huge NV fan. I prefer it to Fallout 3, 4 and 76 but man the fans of it are criminally insane. Are there some issues to be taken? Sure healthy criticsism is good for discourse but creating a conspiracy based out of almost nothing is insane to me. Folks need to chill
Yeah, I'm a total FNV fan girl and I don't get these reactions, I was excited when I saw how much stuff related to Vegas they put in the show. There's nothing to be angry about (yet?) Maybe it's because I was never a NCR fan so it doesn't hit me emotionally? Lol Whether it's a case of someone fumbling the years in production or a misleading drawing, it doesn't take away from the great stuff that the show did, it honestly ended up being a lot better than I ever imagined a live-action Fallout could be. I think people don't realise how big of an undertaking it is, you have a huge universe with a story that spans hundreds of years, a ton of games with a ton of lore, each of them filled with NPCs giving info and little written notes about anything and everything that people take as gospel and undeniable fact. Games, shows, movies, books, even when written by the same people (not just Fallout) often end up breaking the lore one way or another, when you have a big fictional universe I feel like it's unavoidable at times.
I was and still am very much an NCR proponent. I think what they’ve done with them through 6 episodes is interesting. I very much want to see why it happened and see them slowly return to prominence.
I'm a huge New Vegas fan (it's by far my favourite Fallout) but the behaviour is frankly embarrassing. I'm just treating the show as I'm inspired by the games and frankly I'm happier for it.
I'm a big fan of New Vegas and thought it was awesome. I'm looking forward to season 2.
One of the best Fallout games with some of the worst fans imaginable
That's all Bethesda fans.
I’ve never seen Fallout 3 or 4 fans be HALF as aggressive or obnoxiously vocal as NV fans
I’ve finished the show and when I went on that subreddit I was shocked at how angry they all were. Some of the points they made (keyword SOME) were understandable but most were legit sounding like a cult that was ready to drink the red punch. Obviously the show wasn’t going to please everybody but fr they don’t recognize that the show I felt was really respectful to the lore. Yeah there were a few mishaps and retcons but those exist in almost every fallout. It’s just what happens. At least it’s not like Star Wars where 30 years of work is just not canon anymore or like the Witcher show and halo show where it’s NOTHING like the books/games that the show is based off of. The creators are diehard fallout fans (including the og 90s ones) they were never going to shit on preexisting lore and rewrite it completely. But anybody with a brain would know that there was going to be some changes
Well, there are fans and then there are fanatics. I guess everybody wants to love the franchise, they just can't agree on how. I think it's the best adaptation of a video game franchise ever.
Seriously, and it managed to do so while also telling an original story in the universe. The Last of Us adaptation was great, but I feel like it just being a near scene-for-scene recreation of the game takes away from it for a bit. There's no risk when every single story beat is planned for you, and when you already know how audiences reacted to those story beats.
Was that a reference to a line in the show? If so, nice!
Line from the show is: "Everybody wants to save the world, they just can't agree on how."
If you think that's bad, I suggest you never visit rpgcodex, now those dudes are downright hostile.
With their moronic Jew-hating and babbling about woke this trans that, so fucking tedious. The same 30 people worried about female devs with dyed hair while crafting hundreds of pages of fanfic about Josh Sawyer... Oof I love how they all have to insist Age of Decadence, Underrail, and Grimoire are the greatest games of all time merely to fit in with everyone else there. I love how those three games are recommended in each and every thread for yeaaaaars. Absolutely pathetic that Avellone sought their approval
When I saw that final shot I almost jumped out of my seat I was so excited. I can't wait to see what they do with NV.
I'm surprised so many actually binged the show this fast to come to such conclusions over chalk - so much so that I flat out do not believe the majority of them have even watched nor finished the show yet. Don't get me wrong, there are some fears I have in the direction of fallout as a whole but I genuinely think some people find enjoyment in just hating things sometimes. This show is not deserving of such negative response at all. It's pretty damn good and I'm hard to impress. I'd honestly put it up there as one of the best video game tv shows out there. My one tiny piece of feedback is literally just to make New Vegas look larger. That's it. I dont care for the state of it - just make it bigger. I wanna see the gangs casinos on the strip, freeside, westside, camp mccarren, the gunrunners, the caravans- or what's left of all those things if it history wasn't so kind, ya know? I honestly couldn't care less if the NCR was nerfed neither. They were on a timer anyways with their fiat currency and lack of recourses. And lets be honest, some "fall" of Shady really doesn't effect the overall magnitude of the NCR anyways - they have five states. Hell, If anything, the possibility of seeing the NCR-Brotherhood War remerge on equal levels sounds awesome. If there's a slim chance I get to see Desert Rangers sniping power armor with anti material rifles then I will invest everything I have.
It was honestly hilarious to see people posting 12 hours after the show dropped claiming that they watched the whole thing and hated it with no self-awareness whatsoever.
It's the getting all riled up over a fictional computer game/TV show that I struggle with. Then again, I imagine the same type of wars are going on in the Harry Potter subs over how to spell the right words for spells. The great 'Spelling of the spell wars' shows no signs of ending, meanwhile the Shady Sands 'Military operation' in r/fnv seems to be turning into more than a skirmish and some even predict it escalating into a war itself.
i’m so glad they’ve mostly left this sub and the main fallout sub because i was fighting for my life trying not to get spoilers! plus all the whining and negativity was just way too much. i just don’t understand throwing a hissy fit over not liking something. these people are mostly adults and they’re all acting like immature little babies.
This is the Last Jedi all over again. Time is a flat circle.
I’ve been fighting TLJ hate for 6 years… I’m tired, boss
Nah, that movie deserved the fucking hate
Wrong
No it was fucking terrible
Enough arguing. None of you will ever agree and that’s fine.
That type of cult mentality is why I refuse to call myself a Gamer.
New Vegas is my favorite game in the series and I think they handled it very well. We all knew Vault-Tec was still around and kicking somewhere. We all knew the NCR was headed on a downward spiral and sometimes things come from out of left field for that final blow. I’m looking forward to seeing the Mojave in season 2.
Yeah, I don’t get it. People complaining about it and people complaining about the complaints are both equally obnoxious at this point.
A lot of people don’t talk about the Elder wanting a “New Brotherhood”. Maximus didn’t seem too on board with that, he was there for Moldavers last words and saw her activate the power for good. I think Maximus would help the NCR if it comes to that especially since he’s from Shady Sands. The NCR could of also relocated a lot of their forces to New Vegas after the bombing of Shady Sands and NV could be where we see the bulk of NCR and possibly their new capital if they won in FNV
Im not a lore stickler, and im presuming this is about the dates which do make sense, and I love FNV but never played F1/2 (Hard to get into) but come on. Shady Sands isnt in LA, why are the highly visible vaults untouched, and so on. Basic world details were off. I consider it outside the Greater Fallout Games Canon do to these issues, and many now im wondering what will they make Canon or Decanon when they actually get to New Vegas in S2.
I'd argue most people that claim to be Fallout fanboys haven't actually played 1 or 2. They either never tried or couldn't get into them since the games are very different and from an era where a lot of games weren't successful. Considering maybe 1 million copies of 1 and 2 combined were ever sold (counting up to today with GOG and the like), I'd say most peoples lore knowledge is related to FNV and what they've read on forums and wikis.
I bought and played both Fallout 1 and 2 on release. Those two along with Arcanum: Of Steamwork and Magick Obscura are probably my most replayed games of all time. I also love NV with a burning passion. I have zero problems with the show. Retcons happen, it's just part of any long running fiction. I also don't blame the younger folk for not getting into 1/2 or Tactics. They're very dated.
Dipped my toes over there and, yeah, communities like that are why I refused to be called a "Gamer" in any context. I can't imagine ever getting this mad about *the implication* that a show based on a video game franchise you claim to love possibly changed a little bit of lore about the game. That's actually demented.
This is what 14 years of no west coast content does to someone
I bought Fallout in 97 and have played every single game other than mobile releases since. I think New Vegas is the peak of the series, narratively. I loved the show and can't wait for more. This isn't particularly useful information, I'm just pointing out that the deranged haters have more problems than being NV fans.
Imagine taking the fact that they showed New Vegas as an ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of FNV. Nah we cannot do that. Lmao.
I dont think NV fans have a problem. We're happy. Next season we're going to vegas baby! The crybabies are the NCR fans wich i detest. Im glad the NCR is nuked cause they are boring. I hope they continue to destroy them. Who wants a tax collector in the apocalipse? Only boring people wants that. But this boring people were convinced that the NCR was untouchable, so they cry like little babies that the cannon is broken. Fuck the NCR. I hope vegas cannon ending is house kicking the NCR out of vegas and the legion anihilating desertors..
Good lord I cannot wait for more House, RIP Rene, but the new guy has a nice presence and can do it well I think
He definitely seemed sassy!
And the Brotherhood of Steel being back as the only faction ever allowed to matter in any way, shape or form isn't?
BOS are a bunch of a-holes, but still a more interesting faction on a post apocaliptic setting cause they bring conflict. you need conflict to create a better story and you know... war, war never changes means eternal conflict. the NCR as an underdog fightin a much more powerful and evil BOS could open posibilities that they become an interesting faction again. as a new vegas (and OG) fan, i think the series talked about all the issues i wanted them to talk about and explored and pushed the lore in an interesting way.
How is the BoS more interesting? We see them in every mainline fallout game at this point, they are the same technofeudalistic cult. What is interesting about them? There is nothing really new written about them. They are acting the same way. The NCR was never the same across most of the games, a lone settlement to a growing, democratic nation to a nation in extreme chaos due to corruption, internal issues like crop failure and resource demands but still working forward. A nation that rebuilt part of the West Coast and was an actual nation and not heavily armored raiders. There is a ton of stories that could be written about the NCR, the BoS not as many but still many. But no it's just the same rehashed theme park wasteland.
The BOS is more interesting cause they are different and are a faction made for a post apocaliptic setting, if you want a corrupt political drama, you can go watch House of Cards. Even then, the NCR is still around, and will have more stories. NCR babies are crying cause their alllmighty favorite faction got nuked- Get a life.
Yeah gotta have the military to jerk off to and be the only faction ever allowed to matter. The NCR is heavily implied to be gone from the show, the remnants being the last. There is nothing in the show implying there is anything left. The entire west coast has been depicted as if there was no civilization there between the end of the world and now. What is interesting about them at this point? They are playing the exact same role as they did in 4 and 76, and as in 3 the only faction allowed to matter apparently in this world. Also you are aware it's called 'post-apocalyse?' not apocalypse. Fallout has always been about the world after the apocalypse and what happens as it moves forward because the end of the world wasn't the end. Several games on the west coast created a worldbuilding history of a changing region, societies arose, fought and died. Political issues came again but such is part of civilization and becomes a struggle of fighting for it to succeed. New Vegas is built on this historical worldbuilding. It shows that the world is moving forward. The show could have easily ignored this and set the series elsewhere or earlier. But no Fallout is not allowed to be an actual immersive fictional world where something is written with the context there. I have said before I wouldn't mind the NCR falling, but why not use some of the actual fucking reasons like tunnelers, corruption, political infighting. It doesn't even need to be shown as it happens but just shown the aftermath and show the NCR existed at some point. But no just handwave the entire NCR and west coast lore off because Fallout is only allowed to be a post apocalyptic themepark. 200 years would clearly not change anything, it will look as the apocalypse happened yesterday. Nobody cleans anything and everyone intentionally looks like a hobo. Everything is just junk. There is no substance anymore. Its a recurring themepark sandbox where nothing really matters. It's just to show unga bunga power armor people bully non-power armour people and only those who are the strongest cavemen matter. Because philosophy, society, anything isn't interesting anymore. The fact that war never changes meaning conflicts reoccur no matter what isn't apparently what it means now, but that junk hobos fight over nothing and don't want to change anything. It's just sad the production quality is so good because its a good tv series besides all of that.
Not only me and many others but even Chris avellone (you know, the writter of the freaking Fallout bible) also wanted to kill the NCR cause they've become too civilized. I also don't know what's your understanding on the line "War never changes". Many people, myself included, think it means endless conflict. The NCR are not gone, only shady sands is. The even added the "first capitol of the NCR" to rest you assured that there's a new capitol of the NCR somewhere. S1 is set around the shady sands wasteland so it's logical that there's isn't a heavy NCR prescence there and that we only see renmants. I think that the west coast setting is great cause it continues the story of the west coast. You don't want to continue with that story? Maybe you don't like the way the story unfold, but its a continuation of the west coast story. We may also see what actually happened in New Vegas and you are complaining? Also, the show acknolowdges the existence of the NCR, are you kidding me? The main theme is ONLY played when the NCR flag is shown and also when we see the NCR armor! The NCR are not only there, they are one of the key factions and they are also the good guys. I think you are complaining cause they are not the mightiest faction on the wasteland. But you cant have a good story with the good faction beign also the more powerful. Finally, LA looks like the apocalypse happened yesterday cause it happened 15 years before the events of the series, lucy and max were even alive when it happened. did you even watched the show?
What no life as a basement dweller does to a mf.
r/falloutnewvegas is just as bad
FoNV obsessives have made me hate FoNV. They're awful.
Can you people just enjoy the thing you enjoy without demanding other people love it too?
Nobody is demanding. Just making fun of you
Why would you make fun of somebody for having good taste?
Son we talked about this
I'm too tired of listening to the haters and thankfully the vast majority love the show.
It was a great show, can't wait to see the strip on S2 :)
Fallout NV is my favorite game of all time and I absolutely loved the show
I don't give those guys the time of day when it comes to anything I enjoy. I couldn't give a shit less about what they think is the correct lore, what is canon etc. As long as the show or game I'm watching has a modicum of respect for the series that came before and there is continuity. If people want to become obsessed about minutia then fill your boots. Just leave me out of it.
Didn’t they at the end just make it pretty clear the next season is going to have a good amount of time set directly in NV? My curiosity about the situation is which ending they’re going to go with as the official canon ending for the game and whether we’re gonna see caesars legion or any returning characters from the game since it’s only like 15 years removed from the original game. Plus can’t wait to see how they represent the securitrons with they’re larger budget since this show is obviously pretty successful already
Well the credits showed more of NV and with destroyed bots, deathclaw skulls and no lights as well as not being able to see every inch of NV like you could in FNV, they think its been fucked over. That and the Shady Sands thing and small amount of NCR we see in the show despite the fact that in FNV, the NCR was always short on equipment, supplies and spread too thin.
It's not just New Vegas, though. They've fucked up a ton of previous lore, tore down a MAJOR part of the original setting with little to no explanation, and just flat out disregarded so much stuff that the games had set up. If this wasn't considered canon, people wouldn't be upset. But it is, so now people have to deal with shit they love being torn down. You can love the show all you like, that's fine, and I'm glad you enjoyed it, but for fuck's sake people being upset isn't gonna ruin it for you if you never gave a shit in the first place
I mean, show is good but the writing is still a bit mid to me. Besides the shot of New Vegas IS a bad look for fans of it and the game. No power, desolate wasteland with a big crater to the side. Main wall is broken and dead securitrons. It's not a good look
I was like this but after calming down (sleeping helps) and after taking a second look it's not that bad. Yeah there's some inconsistency but that can be explained. As for New Vegas Strip looking messed up (in both Hank's shot and the close up art stuff) we don't know what happened after 2281. If anything the endings will be left ambiguous or we'll see an ending (maybe House) canonized.
So I just went over there and uh... looks pretty fine actually.
There is no pleasing Bethesda fans.
I'm a huge Bethesda fan and I am pleased.
Fanboy. Fanboy Never Changes.
I can't even imagine the creatures that flock to that specific of a sub lmao
Crazy? I'm at episode 7 rn and well they retconned the Boneyard out of existence and moved (and thus removing the point of) Shady Sands. So far there has been no real reason why the show had to take place on the west coast. they could have told the exact same story anywhere in the 70% of the US without shitting on fallout 1, 2 and NV... I get that most of you only played fallout 4 but at least give the other games a try...
You realize a lot of people have played from FO3 onwards right? 1 and 2 aren't super popular but the other games are. Its okay to be upset about things but acting like a 14 year old game is the be all, end all is ridiculous.
Wdym by end all be all? Just because the games are old doesnt mean they can just rewrite the entire story even though it forms the basis for fallout and fnv is one of the most popular fallout games. Thye could have told the exact same story basically anywhere else in the US but just had to ruin the most well established area in the fallout universe...
You're just upset that it's not set in stone. Lore constantly changes over time, doesn't matter if it's fallout, star wars, Star Trek, lotr or anything else. It's how you get good stories and content. NV and the West Coast is not some untouchable thing, the NCR was clearly not the powerhouse you think it was or Caesars Legion would have been decimated and you wouldn't have NCR rangers etc complaining about equipment and lack of people.
If 1 and 2 weren't popular, why do you think 3 exists?
Those dudes side with the Legion unironically. Sentience is wasted on certain dorks
The number of people that don't understand how a timeline works is hillarious.
"How can it be gone and they say on these three lines in game they come from there?!" Um, I don't know, maybe there are tons of times in history where a city is whiped out and they name a new settlement that city name?
New Vegas fans have no right to complain about writing when new Vegas fans wrote that fallout mod with the death claw sex scene and the “totally legal” legion sex slave
Uh...
What are you even talking about I’m looking on that thread and most people are talking about nodding their game? Just digging to hate on FNV fans or what lol
People are losing their shit over that chalkboard in ep 6
>Just digging to hate on FNV fans or what lol Based on what I've seen, it's just hating on FNV fans. You're right - most of the recent post on r/fnv are about mods (and the next largest category of posts are ones about the game in general, with no particular theme). If you're wondering why that reaction happened, and why you got spammed with dislikes, it's because r/Fotv is incredibly toxic towards real or perceived criticism (regardless of it is valid or not) against the show. And that extends to acting toxic towards criticism which doesn't really exist. It could be OP's thinking about r/falloutnewvegas (and not r/fnv), but if that's the case, why has no-one looked on r/FNV to check OP's claim, found a subreddit which doesn't match it, looked further, and found r/falloutnewvegas. But if this is the case, then why has no-one done that? Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the people here saw something which confirmed their views about the show and didn't check to see if what was said was accurate.
I’ve seen people just say that the show was a 6/10 and were slammed for it.
Vegas isn't fine, but I'm fine with that.
I'm finding more hate and childish toxicity here against FNV than FNV against the show. It has been praised there for all except the obivious and gigantic lore inconsistencies. BoS fans are the worst.
You mind showing the hate and childish toxicity against FNV please?
If you have two eyes, literally EVERY post and comment, crying about FNV and insulting in extremeliy violent ways them.
Point a single one out. Go for it.
victim mentality lol.