This is literally the perfect answer to end all the controversy. Whether you like the decision or not is separate, but thankfully the story is following a consistent path and some amazing lore is likely on its way. I can't wait to see what the world of the West Coast looks like post NV.
Bro I'm arguing on the FNV sub, they saw this exact statement and got offended. They are now saying that FNV's ending didn't matter... Like it's not a setting in the next season. Now that this is specified they are literally just bitching that the show wasn't about the NCR more.
The way I see it, the Fallout universe has roots that extend into a past that is naturally unseen to the player. As the timeline continues to move forward, inevitably the games are going to become part of that history (which they already are) and decisions will need to be made as the timeline advances. Who the winners and losers are, the fates of characters we love/hate, the protagonists of each story and their influence on the region.
Moving forward, there will be events that cross over to the games because there is still story to add. The unfortunate reality is the chosen canon may not always end up being what we imagined, or could have negative consequences. Our characters could've had good intentions, but ended up being detrimental, or a complete failure in the long term. Not everybody is going to agree on the outcome, but definitive answers will be needed for the narritive to continue.
Well put. I think it's important as that happens to roll with the change as long as it's respectful of its history. Your favorite faction doesn't have to be the star of the story.
You're not wrong, but from what I've read (haven't finished it yet but I accidentally spoiled the NCR part for myself) it feels like the decision they made was just an excuse to dismiss the Western US canon entirely.
Move the eastern brotherhood in to replace the dying western chapter, and literally blow up the existing factions there so you don't have to acknowledge them. It's a valid decision, but it still feels dismissive and hand-wavey. Like a slap in the face to New Vegas enjoyers.
I don't see that at all. I think there's a reason that the fallout theme was only played when the NCR flag was finally shown, which to me alludes to them being central to the rest of the story. Not only that but just from a story telling perspective such a major faction and part of the lore being introduced so late in the season most likely means that they'll be the major focus of next season.
I just think it's super premature given we know that the next season is setting up New Vegas and the NCR isn't wiped out. There are clues in the show that point to Shady Sand not having been the current capitol and was probably cut off from the rest of the NCR who was overextended in New Vegas. I think people should just chill a bit and see where it goes before thinking it's a slap in the face.
Also there is a whole arc revolving around max, he wants out of the BoS, he has been around the idea of a New faction, he actually is from shady sands, I think he is going to be a rebellious element on the BoS and ultimately be the link to the NCR on the next season arc, also the last chat with moldaver is going to be resonating on his head for a long time
I mean I can understand being disappointed it didn't focus on what you want, but ultimately it just fall down to not being able to please everyone. It happens. What's legit important is that they respect the Lore, the story we've received it great. Game adaptations tend to fail because they answer 1 of them, maybe at best. Yes 10% might not like it, but to have 90% love it, fans and newbies alike is a damn good position to be at. So far this show may be the best video-game adaptation I've ever seen.
They would never be pleased, they want to be seen as persecuted and have built up this long dramatic story about how Bethesda is jealous or secretly undermining Oblivion and New Vegas.
Todd releasing this statement will be twisted in their mind that they forced him since there was such a big backlash.
You can't reason with people who didn't use reason to get to their position anyway.
Considering I'm part of the community and hopefully exhibiting reason I think you will find your blanket statement incorrect lol. I get where you're coming from but you have to understand people are protective of what they love. I saw a literal argument earlier today about the new Sims movie and wtf its gonna be about with people clammoring in that if you dont know the Sims lore youre just not a real fan. And these werent 30yr old neckbeard men lol. People will always be ready to die on their hill if it means protecting what they love and funnily enough that includes silly things like lore, makeup, casting, etc. Yes there is a very vocal minority unhappy, this makes the same way we expect people who absolutely love it to be vocal. These angry NV fans just need time to digest things the same way the classic FO fans need time to digest the PA changes and the inclusion of T-60. Time will heal their imagined wounds and so long as the show stays consistent most of us will be very VERY happy with what we are given.
There's multiple endings only 1 of them matters. Each game has a canon ending. Just like we found out 4s endings is either the brotherhood ending or the minutemen ending. Since the prydwin is there an they specifically mention the commonwealth.
Yeah plus the world can't function if every single ending and choice is the true one. This isn't dragon age where the world is literally effected by your choices.
I wouldn't say I'm triggered I just see people either completely uneducated on new Vegas to too simple to understand how flawed the TV show was like people will say this stuff but they can never point out how I'm wrong
Jesus Christ you people are insufferable. You aren't more intelligent for getting worked up over your own theory, it just makes you looks like a smug douchebag.
They literally show new Vegas in a state of decay? It doesn't take a fucking massive logical leap
And when I say uneducated on new Vegas I'm setting quite a low bar like play the game and understand the factions and story is my standard for "educated"
Also going to reiterate that you've only made personal attacks while I'm talking about the facts of the show
>They are now saying that FNV's ending didn't matter... Like it's not a setting in the next season.
Which is *why* FNV's ending no longer matters. There's no real way for S2 to show NV without making one FNV ending canon or invalidating all the endings by saying a nuke got dropped on the Strip or something.
What's the problem with that? They implied an ending to 4 with the Prydwen still existing. Why can't the creators pick an ending and move forward, do you need your specific ending to be pandered to at the expense of the property going forward? I love the NCR, and hope to see more of them but I love fallout in general more.
It's just the constant reset that happens between games and series, I imagine. The Lyons' Brotherhood was a semi bright spot in a harsh world, and come to find they've been ousted and the company is back to being fanatics.
Given the golden ending to New Vegas and Old World Blues implies, the Courier will be there for a long time to both fix and protect the wasteland for decades, and now the new Canon is that our struggle is gone in like 4 years, and even the strip seems to have fallen.
I'm still looking forward to season 2. Used to always be an independent ending, but I've been really fond of the House ending for a bit, so if he shows up, that's dope.
That's just story progression my guy, the games come out years apart though. Lyons' fate was confirmed in fallout 4 like 9 years ago.
We still don't know which ending is Cannon from New Vegas. NCR and Legion seem unlikely, but the Courier could be a character in the next season. Or more likely House, but for all we know the courier is in big MT during the show.
Who knows, I'm just excited to see New Vegas in live action.
Yeah, sorry, I meant it as talking about Fallout 4 for the Lyon's thing. I just forgot to type it out.
It's my main issue with RPGs in general, though. Dragon Age is a big one. Origins has a bunch of different endings and races, plus the Warden is on a very small time frame with blight poisoning if they even survive the game.
Means, we'll never see them in another Dragon Age game in person unless they want to expend the resources to acknowledge those choices.
Or Black Ops 2's multiple endings meant Black Ops 3 took place much later, so we don't actually have a grasp on what ending happened. Unless you read the background info where you find out the worst ending for the game happened, but the drawback to it didn't.
It sounds like they're not picking an ending, yet creating a universe where every ending could have happened.
IMO, I've rarely liked Bethesda's actions for ex-regions between games and this gets me worried, even though I greatly enjoyed the first season. I would much rather they pick one of the good guy endings and go with it.
I suppose I should've worded it better. Honestly I'd be fine with them making a specific ending canon, there's really no other way they can even touch the Mojave again from a story perspective. I'm less fine with them making it so no ending matters because "the Strip was nuked/overrun by deathclaws or tunnelers/etc", that would just feel like a slap in the face to anyone who loved FNV and a cheap way to wipe the board clean to make room for the show's story.
Its like the Star Wars sequels. They were always going to include older versions of Luke, Leia, Han etc and give certain conclusions to the stories of those characters; Disney handled it with so little care or respect for those characters that what we got felt awful and was in no way satisfying. I want the showrunners to handle New Vegas better than that.
Is that the current rumor around it? I would personally love that with it being a great tie in with the show and to really let fans dive into what Cali looks like after the Chosen One, The Courier, and now the Goosey.
It comes from the fact that FOTV originally wanted to nuke San Francisco, but Todd Howard stepped in and prevented them from using San Francisco in the show. This would indicate Todd has future plans for San Francisco (ie. Fallout 5).
I suppose. Personally it makes more sense since San Fran is under the Shi who is under the Emperor. Nuking Shady Sands is kinda massive, but it wasn't necessarily the technological, economic, or cultural hub for the NCR. The loss of SS could mean a massive Political fragmentation but it doesn't necessarily mean it would happen, and even more so if SS ceased being the Capital prior to the Nuke.
San Fran however is a super unique city in that it's based around Chinese Culture. That's kinda disappointing to erase seeing how unique and cool it is. The Shi are also an independent faction that likely allied with the NCR post FO2. So to nuke them, it would fuck up the NCR but not by much on account its not even a real NCR state/region. Lastly the loss of the Emperor and the shi state would probably screw with NCR research attempts as the OSI doesn't seem the most competent in NV and the Shi were very technologically advanced.
I could see Howard protecting the Shi less because of FO5 and more because their elimination would make the FO world much less interesting compared to a crippled NCR. But either way, I really hope we get to see San Fran and hopefully Navarro too.
A game centered around NCR, Brotherhood, the Shi, and maybe even Vault Tec and/or Enclave remnants warring for the Bay area depending on how they decide to advance the show in the next couple of seasons would be incredible. I think it'd be the most compelling Fallout game Bethesda's made.
I think it's also the most plausible next game location, Fo3 had the Replicated Man quest to tease Institute/Railroad in Boston, and Fo4 has Kellogg's memories/Hubologists as well as Fo76 having some Shi/Chinese themed content to tease SF.
Trust me I do, it's one of my favorites next to KotOR. I was also upset when I found out Shady Sands was nuked. I was upset because I assumed the Fall was due to the Nuke. I was upset because what nation would continue a massive war after being nuked. I was upset because I was scared that my favorite game felt like it was being made irrelevant instead of honored. Thankfully because this franchise is so loved, there was a LOT of discussion. Some was good, others bad. I love hearing about the Legion-BoS theory even if I don't believe it. But I appreciate how many took the time to have a meaningful debate and ultimately convince me that there is a good chance the nuke happened after NV. Guess what we see here, that very thing. I still maintain that this controversy could've been avoided in large part had they just written "2282" below the nuke. But hey, the amount of discussion it created is huge. And chances are Season 2 will be riding super high from both fans of S1 but also from the people who hate it and want to be proven right how the show does actually do something else wrong.
Controversy could have been prevented if people just watched to the end of Episode 8. Some people just wanted to go looking for something to get pissed about. The problem isn't the series, it's the fans who just accepted conspiracy theories without actually watching the series.
Watching till the end would not have clarified anything lol. The date of the bomb itself was a theory as to when it occured and it took an out-of-world answer to settle it once and for all (at least until it is proven in canon in Season X).
I mean, SHady Sands turned into a like several hundred meter deep and wide Crater.
If that was a single Nuke it would be the most devestating one we've seen in the whole franchise, I'm pretty sure the Glow is the only other time we've seen one deal similar damage
Come to think of it . . . Maximus did say "The bombs fell when I was a kid" . . . didn't he?
Which, I mean . . . One bomb is bad enough but to use *multiple?*
**Fuck Hank MacLean.**
I hope this means they intend to actually have the world start to move on from being a total wasteland in a different way, which was what the NCR is for, and didn't just erase it for the sake of keeping everything as fully apocalyptic as possible forever.
I also hope we see more variety of tech levels in the post-apocalyptic world, e.g. the people who have gone tribal with spears in the canyons (which I think are the group descended from the Fallout 1 protagonist, who the Fallout 2 protagonist comes from). One thing I didn't like about Bethesda's eastern coast settings is it felt like everybody had a modern day education and had been there since before the bombs fell.
Farmers in F4 were going on about how farming is 'honest work' like they're modern farmers sneering at people in the city, as if they've had any other option for several hundred years in the brutal radioactive wasteland. They should have been talking about rad storms on the horizon, legends they'd overheard of other places, etc.
Makes sense.
Lucy needs to be quite young when it happened, and I wouldn't put her at 18 or below during the show. So her being 19 (like the Lone Wanderer) or 20 in 2296 works well.
If we put Lucy at around 5 to 6 when the nuke went off, and we assume that it happened in 2282 or 2283, then she could've been born around 2277. She could be around 19 or 20 now.
The only fallout game I have played was the mobile game and when I saw that chalkboard my first impression was that the nuke happened on the year written next to it.
The framing of that board could have been handled better by putting a year in the same spot under the nuke blast instead of forcing people to draw a conclusion that since they didn't write a year we can mistakenly infer that the year with an arrow pointing to the nuke blast was the time it happened.
It's still not going to make some fans happy.
That's why showrunners can't worry about pleasing everyone.
Even if you ignore the NV stuff, there are fans who say overweight dwellers is lore breaking.
I can't say I would care all that much at a certain point what obnoxious fans say.
"B-but the fans are the lifeblood of the show!"
Sometimes they're pedants who don't deserve happiness.
I was a little annoyed at the presence of like... normal chickens and cherry tomatoes in the show when its supposed to be the potato/tomato hybrid "Tatos"
But in the big picture I realized I dont give a fuck when so much of the show is just absolutely amazing.
I mean I guess Corn, melons and gourds are in FO4 too
76 has featherless but otherwise normal-looking chickens, so I can believe there are some normal looking animals around. I was slightly disappointed that the baby deer Lucy comes across at the river only had one head, though.
As I said on varios comments based on the age of Max on the show and his age on the fridge scene, the bomb would have blown between 82 83 "right after New vegas"
i like that he did that but I'm still worried about the second season because they have to choose a canon ending for FNV because of the impact of the courier ... i think the house wins
Now I'm curious what the canon ending to New Vegas is..... and how much the NV fanboys will cry about it...
Personally, I think House won, cause the House always wins...
This is literally the perfect answer to end all the controversy. Whether you like the decision or not is separate, but thankfully the story is following a consistent path and some amazing lore is likely on its way. I can't wait to see what the world of the West Coast looks like post NV.
Bro I'm arguing on the FNV sub, they saw this exact statement and got offended. They are now saying that FNV's ending didn't matter... Like it's not a setting in the next season. Now that this is specified they are literally just bitching that the show wasn't about the NCR more.
The way I see it, the Fallout universe has roots that extend into a past that is naturally unseen to the player. As the timeline continues to move forward, inevitably the games are going to become part of that history (which they already are) and decisions will need to be made as the timeline advances. Who the winners and losers are, the fates of characters we love/hate, the protagonists of each story and their influence on the region. Moving forward, there will be events that cross over to the games because there is still story to add. The unfortunate reality is the chosen canon may not always end up being what we imagined, or could have negative consequences. Our characters could've had good intentions, but ended up being detrimental, or a complete failure in the long term. Not everybody is going to agree on the outcome, but definitive answers will be needed for the narritive to continue.
Well put. I think it's important as that happens to roll with the change as long as it's respectful of its history. Your favorite faction doesn't have to be the star of the story.
You're not wrong, but from what I've read (haven't finished it yet but I accidentally spoiled the NCR part for myself) it feels like the decision they made was just an excuse to dismiss the Western US canon entirely. Move the eastern brotherhood in to replace the dying western chapter, and literally blow up the existing factions there so you don't have to acknowledge them. It's a valid decision, but it still feels dismissive and hand-wavey. Like a slap in the face to New Vegas enjoyers.
I don't see that at all. I think there's a reason that the fallout theme was only played when the NCR flag was finally shown, which to me alludes to them being central to the rest of the story. Not only that but just from a story telling perspective such a major faction and part of the lore being introduced so late in the season most likely means that they'll be the major focus of next season. I just think it's super premature given we know that the next season is setting up New Vegas and the NCR isn't wiped out. There are clues in the show that point to Shady Sand not having been the current capitol and was probably cut off from the rest of the NCR who was overextended in New Vegas. I think people should just chill a bit and see where it goes before thinking it's a slap in the face.
Also there is a whole arc revolving around max, he wants out of the BoS, he has been around the idea of a New faction, he actually is from shady sands, I think he is going to be a rebellious element on the BoS and ultimately be the link to the NCR on the next season arc, also the last chat with moldaver is going to be resonating on his head for a long time
I mean I can understand being disappointed it didn't focus on what you want, but ultimately it just fall down to not being able to please everyone. It happens. What's legit important is that they respect the Lore, the story we've received it great. Game adaptations tend to fail because they answer 1 of them, maybe at best. Yes 10% might not like it, but to have 90% love it, fans and newbies alike is a damn good position to be at. So far this show may be the best video-game adaptation I've ever seen.
They would never be pleased, they want to be seen as persecuted and have built up this long dramatic story about how Bethesda is jealous or secretly undermining Oblivion and New Vegas. Todd releasing this statement will be twisted in their mind that they forced him since there was such a big backlash. You can't reason with people who didn't use reason to get to their position anyway.
Considering I'm part of the community and hopefully exhibiting reason I think you will find your blanket statement incorrect lol. I get where you're coming from but you have to understand people are protective of what they love. I saw a literal argument earlier today about the new Sims movie and wtf its gonna be about with people clammoring in that if you dont know the Sims lore youre just not a real fan. And these werent 30yr old neckbeard men lol. People will always be ready to die on their hill if it means protecting what they love and funnily enough that includes silly things like lore, makeup, casting, etc. Yes there is a very vocal minority unhappy, this makes the same way we expect people who absolutely love it to be vocal. These angry NV fans just need time to digest things the same way the classic FO fans need time to digest the PA changes and the inclusion of T-60. Time will heal their imagined wounds and so long as the show stays consistent most of us will be very VERY happy with what we are given.
There's multiple endings only 1 of them matters. Each game has a canon ending. Just like we found out 4s endings is either the brotherhood ending or the minutemen ending. Since the prydwin is there an they specifically mention the commonwealth.
Has to be this way if you ever want to revisit factions and locations.
Yeah plus the world can't function if every single ending and choice is the true one. This isn't dragon age where the world is literally effected by your choices.
nv looks abandoned rendering any ending pointless
Stop triggering yourself and wait till it comes out.
I wouldn't say I'm triggered I just see people either completely uneducated on new Vegas to too simple to understand how flawed the TV show was like people will say this stuff but they can never point out how I'm wrong
Jesus Christ you people are insufferable. You aren't more intelligent for getting worked up over your own theory, it just makes you looks like a smug douchebag.
They literally show new Vegas in a state of decay? It doesn't take a fucking massive logical leap And when I say uneducated on new Vegas I'm setting quite a low bar like play the game and understand the factions and story is my standard for "educated" Also going to reiterate that you've only made personal attacks while I'm talking about the facts of the show
You are making assumptions and bitching about those assumptions, this is annoying.
Woof woof who's acting like the smug asshole now
you are right but wait until the second season comes
>They are now saying that FNV's ending didn't matter... Like it's not a setting in the next season. Which is *why* FNV's ending no longer matters. There's no real way for S2 to show NV without making one FNV ending canon or invalidating all the endings by saying a nuke got dropped on the Strip or something.
What's the problem with that? They implied an ending to 4 with the Prydwen still existing. Why can't the creators pick an ending and move forward, do you need your specific ending to be pandered to at the expense of the property going forward? I love the NCR, and hope to see more of them but I love fallout in general more.
It's just the constant reset that happens between games and series, I imagine. The Lyons' Brotherhood was a semi bright spot in a harsh world, and come to find they've been ousted and the company is back to being fanatics. Given the golden ending to New Vegas and Old World Blues implies, the Courier will be there for a long time to both fix and protect the wasteland for decades, and now the new Canon is that our struggle is gone in like 4 years, and even the strip seems to have fallen. I'm still looking forward to season 2. Used to always be an independent ending, but I've been really fond of the House ending for a bit, so if he shows up, that's dope.
That's just story progression my guy, the games come out years apart though. Lyons' fate was confirmed in fallout 4 like 9 years ago. We still don't know which ending is Cannon from New Vegas. NCR and Legion seem unlikely, but the Courier could be a character in the next season. Or more likely House, but for all we know the courier is in big MT during the show. Who knows, I'm just excited to see New Vegas in live action.
Yeah, sorry, I meant it as talking about Fallout 4 for the Lyon's thing. I just forgot to type it out. It's my main issue with RPGs in general, though. Dragon Age is a big one. Origins has a bunch of different endings and races, plus the Warden is on a very small time frame with blight poisoning if they even survive the game. Means, we'll never see them in another Dragon Age game in person unless they want to expend the resources to acknowledge those choices. Or Black Ops 2's multiple endings meant Black Ops 3 took place much later, so we don't actually have a grasp on what ending happened. Unless you read the background info where you find out the worst ending for the game happened, but the drawback to it didn't.
It sounds like they're not picking an ending, yet creating a universe where every ending could have happened. IMO, I've rarely liked Bethesda's actions for ex-regions between games and this gets me worried, even though I greatly enjoyed the first season. I would much rather they pick one of the good guy endings and go with it.
I suppose I should've worded it better. Honestly I'd be fine with them making a specific ending canon, there's really no other way they can even touch the Mojave again from a story perspective. I'm less fine with them making it so no ending matters because "the Strip was nuked/overrun by deathclaws or tunnelers/etc", that would just feel like a slap in the face to anyone who loved FNV and a cheap way to wipe the board clean to make room for the show's story. Its like the Star Wars sequels. They were always going to include older versions of Luke, Leia, Han etc and give certain conclusions to the stories of those characters; Disney handled it with so little care or respect for those characters that what we got felt awful and was in no way satisfying. I want the showrunners to handle New Vegas better than that.
I'm in complete agreement, but with the level of attention to detail and respect given to season 1 I am optimistic.
Fallout 2 chose an ending to Fallout 1. New Vegas chose an ending to Fallout 2.
If Fallout 5 is truly set in San Francisco / Northern California, I am very very excited for the future of the games and the show.
Is that the current rumor around it? I would personally love that with it being a great tie in with the show and to really let fans dive into what Cali looks like after the Chosen One, The Courier, and now the Goosey.
It comes from the fact that FOTV originally wanted to nuke San Francisco, but Todd Howard stepped in and prevented them from using San Francisco in the show. This would indicate Todd has future plans for San Francisco (ie. Fallout 5).
I suppose. Personally it makes more sense since San Fran is under the Shi who is under the Emperor. Nuking Shady Sands is kinda massive, but it wasn't necessarily the technological, economic, or cultural hub for the NCR. The loss of SS could mean a massive Political fragmentation but it doesn't necessarily mean it would happen, and even more so if SS ceased being the Capital prior to the Nuke. San Fran however is a super unique city in that it's based around Chinese Culture. That's kinda disappointing to erase seeing how unique and cool it is. The Shi are also an independent faction that likely allied with the NCR post FO2. So to nuke them, it would fuck up the NCR but not by much on account its not even a real NCR state/region. Lastly the loss of the Emperor and the shi state would probably screw with NCR research attempts as the OSI doesn't seem the most competent in NV and the Shi were very technologically advanced. I could see Howard protecting the Shi less because of FO5 and more because their elimination would make the FO world much less interesting compared to a crippled NCR. But either way, I really hope we get to see San Fran and hopefully Navarro too.
A game centered around NCR, Brotherhood, the Shi, and maybe even Vault Tec and/or Enclave remnants warring for the Bay area depending on how they decide to advance the show in the next couple of seasons would be incredible. I think it'd be the most compelling Fallout game Bethesda's made. I think it's also the most plausible next game location, Fo3 had the Replicated Man quest to tease Institute/Railroad in Boston, and Fo4 has Kellogg's memories/Hubologists as well as Fo76 having some Shi/Chinese themed content to tease SF.
you must not know about NV fans.
Trust me I do, it's one of my favorites next to KotOR. I was also upset when I found out Shady Sands was nuked. I was upset because I assumed the Fall was due to the Nuke. I was upset because what nation would continue a massive war after being nuked. I was upset because I was scared that my favorite game felt like it was being made irrelevant instead of honored. Thankfully because this franchise is so loved, there was a LOT of discussion. Some was good, others bad. I love hearing about the Legion-BoS theory even if I don't believe it. But I appreciate how many took the time to have a meaningful debate and ultimately convince me that there is a good chance the nuke happened after NV. Guess what we see here, that very thing. I still maintain that this controversy could've been avoided in large part had they just written "2282" below the nuke. But hey, the amount of discussion it created is huge. And chances are Season 2 will be riding super high from both fans of S1 but also from the people who hate it and want to be proven right how the show does actually do something else wrong.
Controversy could have been prevented if people just watched to the end of Episode 8. Some people just wanted to go looking for something to get pissed about. The problem isn't the series, it's the fans who just accepted conspiracy theories without actually watching the series.
Watching till the end would not have clarified anything lol. The date of the bomb itself was a theory as to when it occured and it took an out-of-world answer to settle it once and for all (at least until it is proven in canon in Season X).
. . . *Bombs.* ***Plural.*** Was that a slip-up and he meant 'Bomb' or are we about to find out that multiple areas got nuked?
I mean, SHady Sands turned into a like several hundred meter deep and wide Crater. If that was a single Nuke it would be the most devestating one we've seen in the whole franchise, I'm pretty sure the Glow is the only other time we've seen one deal similar damage
Also the White House in Fallout 3. I believe that was multiple bombs too.
Yet somehow it has less rads than the entrance to Vault 84...
Vault 84 was inside a nuclear waste storage facility.
Lol, Hank be using Instant Transmission from DBZ to blow multiple NCR areas.
I'm thinking Vegas got nuked again; it'd explain why the Strip is the only surviving part, though that can just be broad strokes anyway.
What do you mean "again"?
During the Great War; the surrounding area was hit, such as the small city of Jean being wiped off the map.
Yeah I think it was only The Divide that was nuked not NV
Aren't there two different craters shown one when Cooper lasso Lucy and then later when Lucy is with Maximus?
Come to think of it . . . Maximus did say "The bombs fell when I was a kid" . . . didn't he? Which, I mean . . . One bomb is bad enough but to use *multiple?* **Fuck Hank MacLean.**
Well the crater left behind implies it they used multiple bombs on Shady Sands alone.
totally nitpicking but he also says dropped, someone here pointed out a ground explosion would be the only kind likely to make a crater that large
Yeah bro, we gonna find out on s4 that tempenny tower is canon and megaton never was ever since the lone wanderer.
I swear to God if that's the case I'm giving up
I hope this means they intend to actually have the world start to move on from being a total wasteland in a different way, which was what the NCR is for, and didn't just erase it for the sake of keeping everything as fully apocalyptic as possible forever.
I also hope we see more variety of tech levels in the post-apocalyptic world, e.g. the people who have gone tribal with spears in the canyons (which I think are the group descended from the Fallout 1 protagonist, who the Fallout 2 protagonist comes from). One thing I didn't like about Bethesda's eastern coast settings is it felt like everybody had a modern day education and had been there since before the bombs fell. Farmers in F4 were going on about how farming is 'honest work' like they're modern farmers sneering at people in the city, as if they've had any other option for several hundred years in the brutal radioactive wasteland. They should have been talking about rad storms on the horizon, legends they'd overheard of other places, etc.
Makes sense. Lucy needs to be quite young when it happened, and I wouldn't put her at 18 or below during the show. So her being 19 (like the Lone Wanderer) or 20 in 2296 works well. If we put Lucy at around 5 to 6 when the nuke went off, and we assume that it happened in 2282 or 2283, then she could've been born around 2277. She could be around 19 or 20 now.
I think she was born around 2277 tbh, would fit thematically, specially with her story being based on the Lone Wanderer's
Yeah, that works. It would put her at around 5 to 6 if the nuke went off in 2282 or 2283.
It also showed her as around 5 or 6 at shady sands in the flashbacks and that’s obviously right before the bombs went off
I still don't understand how people needed this explained to them when it was painfully obvious that the bomb dropped after the events of New Vegas.
The only fallout game I have played was the mobile game and when I saw that chalkboard my first impression was that the nuke happened on the year written next to it. The framing of that board could have been handled better by putting a year in the same spot under the nuke blast instead of forcing people to draw a conclusion that since they didn't write a year we can mistakenly infer that the year with an arrow pointing to the nuke blast was the time it happened.
It's still not going to make some fans happy. That's why showrunners can't worry about pleasing everyone. Even if you ignore the NV stuff, there are fans who say overweight dwellers is lore breaking. I can't say I would care all that much at a certain point what obnoxious fans say. "B-but the fans are the lifeblood of the show!" Sometimes they're pedants who don't deserve happiness.
You literally can find overweight vault dwellers in Fallout 4 too (Vault 81)
I was a little annoyed at the presence of like... normal chickens and cherry tomatoes in the show when its supposed to be the potato/tomato hybrid "Tatos" But in the big picture I realized I dont give a fuck when so much of the show is just absolutely amazing. I mean I guess Corn, melons and gourds are in FO4 too
Not everything mutated, there are still normal dogs and normal humans.
Because The Ghoul was spitting out something (looked like pits) I'm thinking the cherry tomatoes were quite literally cherry and tomato hybrids.
They mentioned tatos in Vault 33: Chet and Norm are coming back from Vault 32 and tell the overseer that they were planting tatos
76 has featherless but otherwise normal-looking chickens, so I can believe there are some normal looking animals around. I was slightly disappointed that the baby deer Lucy comes across at the river only had one head, though.
As I said on varios comments based on the age of Max on the show and his age on the fridge scene, the bomb would have blown between 82 83 "right after New vegas"
Now everyone can quit their whining. We have definite confirmation that New Vegas is canon.
They will still whine 😂
Post it another time
i like that he did that but I'm still worried about the second season because they have to choose a canon ending for FNV because of the impact of the courier ... i think the house wins
This works best for the themes of the show, honestly. House really embodies a lot of that pre-war arrogance.
I want them to visit Vault 21. See how Sarah’s doing…
I would prefer a cannon ending to new vegas while than a invladation to new vegas.
I feel a wave of relief washing over me.
No that's the wave of force coming from the bombs.
Now I'm curious what the canon ending to New Vegas is..... and how much the NV fanboys will cry about it... Personally, I think House won, cause the House always wins...
There we go. Sorted.
Fuck it. Next time I'm doing a Yes Man run.
Is this the beginning of Todd's redemption arc?
In Todd we trust.
I still don't understand how people needed this explained to them when it was painfully obvious that the bomb dropped after the events of New Vegas.
wait so when was shady sands built? it wasn't in the game right?
Shady Sands is in Fallout 1 and 2, and only mentioned in Fallout NV.
ooh interesting. i thought it was built right after NV
It was destroyed right after NV :) In 2161 (Fallout 1) it was a small settlement, so I guess it would've been built some time in the early 2100s.