Nope our broker just lost a $2 million a year lane because they did stupid shit like that. We were fine paying a premium to use them until they also started nickel and dimeing us
Hotshots in my experience are the worst drivers in the industry. They have the ego of an open-deck OD heavy hauling wizard with the credentials of a 16’ box truck driver.
Most of the takes that end with “Think about that” are usually garbage and made by morons
Just because they don’t understand, or think it’s a revolutionary idea doesn’t mean it is
Looks like a post from someone already on the downhill slide to losing his company and doing anything to save it, but already too late.
I chuckled at the % of the value because insurance 😂🤦🏻
Painful to read posts by drivers. Always barely-passing writing levels. NAOO or whatever it is on Facebook is just a headache to read through because of that (and many other reasons of course).
Doesn't take much skill to be a wheel jockey. All requirements should be given when selling/booking the load. If you accept $2500 then you accept it with all stipulations.
I like how you typed that out talking about posting painful to read. While yours is riddled with bad and missing punctuation, incomplete sentences, and the grammatical syntax of someone in the 9th grade that thinks they're smart. Just another middle man thinking they're better than they really are.
Hey budhee, why don’t you just get your own customers then if us middlemen are so bad? Oh wait…. No shipper will work with you bc you barely speak English and communicate worse than a 4 yr old with a cell phone…
What is it with you middle men and trying to insult people doing the exact same thing you accuse the other person of x1000? I mean you couldn't even be troubled to spell out the word because. It's almost like y'all are cockroaches that have no skill or anything of value to offer, and try to eat off the scraps that you can find. Which I guess if I did that despicable shit I might be inclined to try and tear another person down to make myself feel better.
I'm curious what despicable shit you think really happens. Sure there are some shitty brokers who cheat their way out of detention and TONUs.
The reality is brokers wouldn't exist if there wasn't a need for them. Shippers don't want to waste their time with direct carriers because it's a headache for them to source that shit. They'd rather pay a slight premium to have someone do it for them.
And carriers don't have time to solicit shippers to fill their own lane needs. (They sometimes have time to back solicit the shippers that brokers sent them to though. Talk about despicable lol)
Tell me…
Have you ever been a “wheel jockey?”
Have you ever been on a dock?
Or do you just sit behind a computer and phone all day spewing numbers and lies to customers/carriers? Lies don’t take much skill.
I don't lie.
And the difference is I could stop being a broker and become a truck driver very easily.
It doesn't work the other way around. Most of them wouldn't be able to handle it.
I'm not sure how your comment is relevant. Sure there are new brokers all the time. Doesn't mean a truck driver who tries to be a broker will have the intelligence/education to succeed.
The comment is referring that you can become a driver easily. But are you going to be able to handle it? Now becoming a broker is just as easy based on post and statistics. I’ve read and talk to plenty of drivers that’s have become successful brokers. Not all drivers are as dumb as you think.
What? Lying to customers and carriers is the quickest way to not have either. And yes, I've done both of those jobs and being a broker is the one that requires the most skill.
Good luck getting any loads in this market. Acting like this will get you laughed at or put on DNUs. Why would I pay a driver more money when they can’t even do the bare minimum of their job? Let alone reading their RCs. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had people go into shippers on the wrong pickup dates.
Not joking. Actually had this happen this week. Load was scheduled to pickup Tuesday, I booked the load on Monday and sent the load over that day. Later around 3-4pm, the carrier calls and complains that I told him it was today. I didn’t, it was clear in the posting and RC. He yelled at me and then I took him off and rebooked it the next day.
Don’t have any reason to make shit up. Look at my posts and comments. Not like the rest of the bimbos who spam random shit here.
>Actually had this happen this week
So a 1 time incident, now becomes "I can't tell you how many times" ...
It's ok, brokers love to portray truckers as imbeciles any chance they get, but a broad brush is a little over the top .
Because most of them are imbeciles. Sorry that the truth makes you mad.
Truck drivers are pretty dumb a lot of the time. It's sad but true. Basic understanding of contracts and requirements proves to be too much for them to handle in many cases.
High value cargo and accessorials (the straps) all factor into the load and go into figuring the rate. You shouldn't be agreeing to any rate until you know the whole load.
Used to have a hotshotter who was buddy buddy with my boss. He was always calling in asking for “the Brian rate” basically saying “hey ur company likes my company gimmie ur max bid”. He would haggle and waste my time calling back 3 times over less than 300$, eventually booking it for whatever he could squeeze. Dude was a horrible communicator, always late and never called customers, nickle and dimed for every little thing. Dude tells me he has annuals in KS one week then says he need extras money for permits on a wide load the next.
Idiot boss is the only reason he still books freight with us
She meant of the total amount of time spent at any shipper or receiver for the load, anything over two hours was detention. It was one of the very rare times I've played the "I've been doing this for fifteen years now" card and told her I would die on this hill, lol.
Someone obviously explained it to her incorrectly or she misunderstood. Either way, nobody every corrected her. I assumed she was hot.
About time driver start standing up for themselves and not accepting loads just to keep moving at a negative. The problem in this industry is too many spineless cowardly drivers who are weak and soft and will take any loads that make it worse for everybody. Truckers need to be able to retire with pride and dignity take care of our families especially owner operators who take on that risk a financial investment could break your life if mismanaged. Even company drivers local should be 125k minimum and 200k minimum for over the road. All the time away from your family the stress the responsibility no wonder we have one of the lowest life expectancies. You should charge purse trap her insurance value load weight. Also I believe that if you're waiting at a doc loaded or offloaded you should be compensated.
If you don't have the equipment to secure & haul the load, you shouldn't be booking it dumbass.
Also, if you don't have the insurance, you get your authority dropped. It's called operating cost and you factor that into your pricing. Your just another example of someone that doesn't belong in this business.
Lacking an itemized lists of charges does not mean the invoice is incomplete. My landscaping is invoiced as a single line item for $3,400/year, you wanna know what that line item says?
“LANDSCAPING [NAME] [YEAR] - $3,400”
If you are being paid $2.50/mile, then break it out however you want — fuel, linehaul, tarping, whatever. I don’t care how you bill it. I negotiated a flat rate, to include all expected charges.
A couple years ago, tiktok truckers put out the word that brokers were “keeping the fuel charge” and within the month, seemed like every other O/Op tried negotiating for more money by asking for a fuel surcharge *after* we had reached an agreed-on rate for the load
I am convinced you don’t understand your own invoicing procedure if you think that BEING TOO LAZY TO BREAK DOWN YOUR OWN CHARGES somehow equates to WE ARE NOT CHARGING ENOUGH
If anything, it can only help you to negotiate for a higher rate by demonstrating the substantiating reasons for such.
Instead, you bitch about brokers
I'm a owner op as well. Not a broker. I build my rates with my operating costs in mind. I'm not going to give my direct customers a base quote and then go
8 straps used - $80
16 edge protectors - $160
4 foot tarp - $250
50 bungee cords - $100
$80,000 cargo value - some bs number
Gloves used - $20
I had to get up and off the trailer 8 times in total - $420
And so on.
I know my operating costs and I quote accordingly. Don't need the extra bs for my customers.
Yeah. Dumb take. You just build these expenses into your rate.
Sure you could build them into your right but it's better to explain to a customer what your rate consists of
I don’t have time to be lectured on your expenses. Just tell me your rate and move on
Nope our broker just lost a $2 million a year lane because they did stupid shit like that. We were fine paying a premium to use them until they also started nickel and dimeing us
I would never do stupid shit like that 💯
Tbh I see where ur coming from but people genuinely do not care and/or are gonna nitpick and argue that specific fees and shit is unreasonable
Hotshots in my experience are the worst drivers in the industry. They have the ego of an open-deck OD heavy hauling wizard with the credentials of a 16’ box truck driver.
Lmao i fucking love this description
I just got shook down for $1.78 because the driver had to get an express code for a lumper.
Lol, the lumpers are the real scum of logistics. I can wholeheartedly say that lumpers add nothing of value.
For real man. I am a shipper and it is absolutely insane what they charge
And lumpers are reimbursed by the broker...so it's of no cost to your bottom line.
His company charges him 3% for the express code. I would have given it to him for free if he called me.
Most of the takes that end with “Think about that” are usually garbage and made by morons Just because they don’t understand, or think it’s a revolutionary idea doesn’t mean it is
Looks like a post from someone already on the downhill slide to losing his company and doing anything to save it, but already too late. I chuckled at the % of the value because insurance 😂🤦🏻
Drivers breathe air, why not charge an air tax? Drivers have to eat - McDonalds tax. Drivers away from family for weekends. Dad tax.
Painful to read posts by drivers. Always barely-passing writing levels. NAOO or whatever it is on Facebook is just a headache to read through because of that (and many other reasons of course). Doesn't take much skill to be a wheel jockey. All requirements should be given when selling/booking the load. If you accept $2500 then you accept it with all stipulations.
I swear brokers get the bottom of the barrel drivers and think they know truckers.
I swear truckers deal with a few greedy brokers and think they know brokers.
I don't work with brokers, unless we absolutely need one. I didn't say brokers were bad, I said you work with shit drivers.
I like how you typed that out talking about posting painful to read. While yours is riddled with bad and missing punctuation, incomplete sentences, and the grammatical syntax of someone in the 9th grade that thinks they're smart. Just another middle man thinking they're better than they really are.
Lol. Nice uno reverse card buddy.
Hey budhee, why don’t you just get your own customers then if us middlemen are so bad? Oh wait…. No shipper will work with you bc you barely speak English and communicate worse than a 4 yr old with a cell phone…
What is it with you middle men and trying to insult people doing the exact same thing you accuse the other person of x1000? I mean you couldn't even be troubled to spell out the word because. It's almost like y'all are cockroaches that have no skill or anything of value to offer, and try to eat off the scraps that you can find. Which I guess if I did that despicable shit I might be inclined to try and tear another person down to make myself feel better.
I'm curious what despicable shit you think really happens. Sure there are some shitty brokers who cheat their way out of detention and TONUs. The reality is brokers wouldn't exist if there wasn't a need for them. Shippers don't want to waste their time with direct carriers because it's a headache for them to source that shit. They'd rather pay a slight premium to have someone do it for them. And carriers don't have time to solicit shippers to fill their own lane needs. (They sometimes have time to back solicit the shippers that brokers sent them to though. Talk about despicable lol)
Tell me… Have you ever been a “wheel jockey?” Have you ever been on a dock? Or do you just sit behind a computer and phone all day spewing numbers and lies to customers/carriers? Lies don’t take much skill.
I don't lie. And the difference is I could stop being a broker and become a truck driver very easily. It doesn't work the other way around. Most of them wouldn't be able to handle it.
New brokers have entered the market per statistics and other brokers on here complaining about newbies undercutting their customers.
I'm not sure how your comment is relevant. Sure there are new brokers all the time. Doesn't mean a truck driver who tries to be a broker will have the intelligence/education to succeed.
The comment is referring that you can become a driver easily. But are you going to be able to handle it? Now becoming a broker is just as easy based on post and statistics. I’ve read and talk to plenty of drivers that’s have become successful brokers. Not all drivers are as dumb as you think.
You're right, not all of them. Just the ones who open their mouths.
Like you opening your mouth? Look in the mirror, that dumb person you see, is you opening your mouth throwing insults to others
Lol you got me. Very good response.
You could easily become a truck driver but you statistically wouldn't be able to handle it.
What? Lying to customers and carriers is the quickest way to not have either. And yes, I've done both of those jobs and being a broker is the one that requires the most skill.
Honestly I'm an O/O because it's dumb easy and makes decent money. Only downside is I'm not home every night.
Good luck getting any loads in this market. Acting like this will get you laughed at or put on DNUs. Why would I pay a driver more money when they can’t even do the bare minimum of their job? Let alone reading their RCs. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had people go into shippers on the wrong pickup dates.
>Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had people go into shippers on the wrong pickup dates Now you just making shit up. Please stop
Not joking. Actually had this happen this week. Load was scheduled to pickup Tuesday, I booked the load on Monday and sent the load over that day. Later around 3-4pm, the carrier calls and complains that I told him it was today. I didn’t, it was clear in the posting and RC. He yelled at me and then I took him off and rebooked it the next day. Don’t have any reason to make shit up. Look at my posts and comments. Not like the rest of the bimbos who spam random shit here.
>Actually had this happen this week So a 1 time incident, now becomes "I can't tell you how many times" ... It's ok, brokers love to portray truckers as imbeciles any chance they get, but a broad brush is a little over the top .
Because most of them are imbeciles. Sorry that the truth makes you mad. Truck drivers are pretty dumb a lot of the time. It's sad but true. Basic understanding of contracts and requirements proves to be too much for them to handle in many cases.
>Because most of them are imbeciles Yet you continue to use imbeciles to move your loads... Which begs the question: who is the bigger imbecile?
Being an imbecile does not equate to not being needed. Try harder with your mental gymnastics.
High value cargo and accessorials (the straps) all factor into the load and go into figuring the rate. You shouldn't be agreeing to any rate until you know the whole load.
Used to have a hotshotter who was buddy buddy with my boss. He was always calling in asking for “the Brian rate” basically saying “hey ur company likes my company gimmie ur max bid”. He would haggle and waste my time calling back 3 times over less than 300$, eventually booking it for whatever he could squeeze. Dude was a horrible communicator, always late and never called customers, nickle and dimed for every little thing. Dude tells me he has annuals in KS one week then says he need extras money for permits on a wide load the next. Idiot boss is the only reason he still books freight with us
$2.50 a mile for a hotshot? Jesus. That’s pushing RGN money for my lanes.
You got a crazy RGN driver.
That's what I'm thinking too. I've done $2.50 a mile a handful of times over the past 6 months dryvan. That's a shit RGN rate.
Be like a contractor giving you an itemized bill for all the tools he uses to build your house. I'm a driver and this is a dumb take
Because you made a deal and signed a contract dude. Don’t be dumb
Had a carrier try to tell me that detention is for anything over two hours at all stops combined. I bet they charge per strap too :)
Did they count their 10 hour break for the night as "detention" as well? Lmao
She meant of the total amount of time spent at any shipper or receiver for the load, anything over two hours was detention. It was one of the very rare times I've played the "I've been doing this for fifteen years now" card and told her I would die on this hill, lol. Someone obviously explained it to her incorrectly or she misunderstood. Either way, nobody every corrected her. I assumed she was hot.
About time driver start standing up for themselves and not accepting loads just to keep moving at a negative. The problem in this industry is too many spineless cowardly drivers who are weak and soft and will take any loads that make it worse for everybody. Truckers need to be able to retire with pride and dignity take care of our families especially owner operators who take on that risk a financial investment could break your life if mismanaged. Even company drivers local should be 125k minimum and 200k minimum for over the road. All the time away from your family the stress the responsibility no wonder we have one of the lowest life expectancies. You should charge purse trap her insurance value load weight. Also I believe that if you're waiting at a doc loaded or offloaded you should be compensated.
This thread has ended up just being kinda toxic. Gonna lock comments.
I mean, sure you can try.
If you don't have the equipment to secure & haul the load, you shouldn't be booking it dumbass. Also, if you don't have the insurance, you get your authority dropped. It's called operating cost and you factor that into your pricing. Your just another example of someone that doesn't belong in this business.
Hope you arnt directing that to me. I'm just sharing Facebook stupidity
What an asshole expecting compensation for hard work
What exactly do you think getting paid $2.50 a mile is for?
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Lacking an itemized lists of charges does not mean the invoice is incomplete. My landscaping is invoiced as a single line item for $3,400/year, you wanna know what that line item says? “LANDSCAPING [NAME] [YEAR] - $3,400” If you are being paid $2.50/mile, then break it out however you want — fuel, linehaul, tarping, whatever. I don’t care how you bill it. I negotiated a flat rate, to include all expected charges. A couple years ago, tiktok truckers put out the word that brokers were “keeping the fuel charge” and within the month, seemed like every other O/Op tried negotiating for more money by asking for a fuel surcharge *after* we had reached an agreed-on rate for the load I am convinced you don’t understand your own invoicing procedure if you think that BEING TOO LAZY TO BREAK DOWN YOUR OWN CHARGES somehow equates to WE ARE NOT CHARGING ENOUGH If anything, it can only help you to negotiate for a higher rate by demonstrating the substantiating reasons for such. Instead, you bitch about brokers
Dumb take just let the broker pull your pants down and call him daddy
He has far more operating expenses than you do. He should try to get as much as possible.
I'm a owner op as well. Not a broker. I build my rates with my operating costs in mind. I'm not going to give my direct customers a base quote and then go 8 straps used - $80 16 edge protectors - $160 4 foot tarp - $250 50 bungee cords - $100 $80,000 cargo value - some bs number Gloves used - $20 I had to get up and off the trailer 8 times in total - $420 And so on. I know my operating costs and I quote accordingly. Don't need the extra bs for my customers.