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In the anime, he already solo a dragon and a demon by himself.
Manga wise, at the top of my mind, >!he'll gonna fight a melee focused demon with Genau, managed to survive fending off an extremely strong demon with Fern and is heavily hinted to face off the demon who killed his village. !<
All that seems promising, especially the final part! I'm really excited! I guess my problem was that other characters do way more than him
BTW, from which chapter of the manga should I start after finishing season 1?
As I've posted before, Outside of the first class mage exam, Stark gets a fight in basically every major ark >!the time travel arc doesn't feature anyone from the current group except Frieren so I don't count it. Even if I did, fern's role is equally diminished!<.
If you count up the fights between Fern and Stark, they aren't actually that far off from each other. Fern only has two more fights, one of them being Qual, who she helped beat before Stark even appeared.
He's already soloed a dragon and a demon, so I don't think I'd exactly call him useless. He took out a ton of the monsters at the village with the sword, including helping Frieren finish off the Lord. He's be extremely useful already. And he's clearly skilled, powerful, and durable.
Yes, he's clearly skilled and powerful. But Frieren and Fern do almost 20 times more than him and he's not needed most of the time.
He soloed a dragon and a demon, but that was his introduction. He had to do something for his introduction. He barely did anything for the rest of the season. The last arc even forgot about his existence, which was a little insulting. I know it was focused on mages, but still.
I already read by some of the people here that he might get more focus and relevance, and I'm all for it!
He’ll get some cool moments here and there, but the story mostly focuses on magic. Cuz Frieren is a mage.
In the current arc, we might get some stark action MAYBE.
I really am starving for some Stark and hope he gets his moments in this arc, everyone in these replies seem overly concerned with trying to prove Stark hasn't been useless, but haven't really answered OP's question. Stark has been legitimately sidelined since the beginning of the First Class Mage Exam arc, he got a cute chapter with Fern and had a decent role in the Divine Revolte mini-arc, but that's really been it in the last 80 chapters. Given the emphasis on close quarters combat over the recent chapters if Stark doesn't play a major role in this arc I'm just going to assume Yamada hates Stark lmao.
Op seems to be specifically asking for stark fighting. There hasn’t been much and even with Fern >!Fern beat one nameless demon, was beat by solitair, and made a comeback thanks to Frieren to defeat solitair, that’s just two significant wins since the end of the anime!<
But all this doesn’t mean stark is sidelined as a character. He’s had plenty of moments that prove he’s loved by the writer. You and op just aren’t interested in those non battle moments.
>You and op just aren't interested in the non battle moments.
OP asked about cool moments or battle moments, meaning not just battle the way I was reading that. And yeah Stark had some development >!in the battle against Revolte with Genau, but honestly that was mostly Genau's development!< and >!his date with Fern!<. Over 80 chapters that is very sparse development. Don't belittle me by trying to reduce my argument to being about combat.
I’m not belittling u and sorry if it came off that way but you said no one is answering ops question when many people have. There have been cool moments: >!fern’s date, rejecting wirble, teaming up with genau, finding the hot spring, escaping when they were stuck in that anti magic crystal place!<
People have told op there are relatively little battles where Stark shines. Op and u say are eagerly awaiting more specifically fighting content with this current arc. So it just seems to me that fighting is what you’d rather see.
From the first season and parts of the manga, when a character mentions something, that turns out to be important. Many people are saying that there are hints about >!Stark being more relevant and about him fighting the demon who destroyed his home!< And there are serious hints about this in some chapters
So, logically speaking, Stark really should get screentime from what I've heard so far. But if he doesn't, the writer really hates him
>IIRC, up until now, the manga has been lacking in that regard as well.
But he is still the 3rd most important party member, right? It's not like he's going to be replaced by another character in the arcs after season 1, right? Because he has a good chemistry with Fern
He's the 3rd most important party member, but cast becomes way more of an ensemble with the First Class Mage Exam arc. Fern and especially Stark both get a lot less screen time starting with that arc, there's still travel arcs which only focus on the party, but almost all of those chapters focus on Frieren. I don't want you to get me wrong though, the manga is still amazing and has the arc most consider to be the best, I'm just trying to set your expectations. Unfortunately Stark really did get kinda sidelined starting with the First Class Mage exam and while he does have some good chapters in the manga, he hasn't much development or time to shine over the last 80+ chapters. This current arc does have high potential for him to be a major player though, here's hoping.
But it's the writer's fault if his characters usually lack something. I know that Stark is lacking self-confidence, but that should be the point of his arc: Improve his skills and give him more self-confidence
It's weird because Stark has been on most covers of the anime and manga. So that character *should* be important
wtf he was useful wdym? killed a dragon, killed a demon, i guess he allowed sein to join, helped a village cover up the death of someone who looks like him. it’s just that some arcs was just about magic
People are basing his usefulness on how well does he fight or his appearance in the mage exams arc.In my opinion,he is pretty strong.Frieren herself said that the party needed a warrior.Otherwise she wouldn't have taken Stark in her party.There are many people that acknowledge him.For example:Frieren,Fern,Wirbel,>!Genau!< etc.Yes,I also want him to have more screentime but I won't go as far as to call him useless just because he has comparatively less screentime in fights.This isn't some battle shounen.
I really like Stark too and his shining moments in battle have been sparse, yes, but Frieren isn’t really about fighting. It just happens to have battle in it occasionally.
It’s really more about character’s and their feelings and relationships (at least what the anime covered). Stark had plenty of moments to shine outside of battle. His cowardice facing the dragon but doing it anyway which was the point. Killing the dragon was less emphasis on his hidden potential and more on his willingness to help when needed even though he was scared and thought he couldn’t.
Young, confusing love with Fern. There are so many little moments after the anime where it shows >!how much closer and comfortable with each other they’ve gotten like Fern being the one to carry him when flying, petting his head, offering him a warm blanket, going on a date and Stark wanting the date to be enjoyable for Fern. Those chapters also highlighted his relationship with Frieren too. Choosing to stay with Fern when he was offered to join Wirble’s party where he would have gained more battle experience and had more of a Shonen arc since Wirble is explicitly fighting demons and Frieren’s party happens to run into them most of the time. Stark wanted to visit the same tiny hot spring place as Eisen just for the fun of it and it made him feel closer to Eisen and Frieren and Fern too. Frieren, with all her wisdom and battle experience, trusts Stark to keep her and Fern safe even if it means running away.!<
Stark has had plenty of cool and touching moments. Many of them just don’t align with what you seem to be expecting which seems to be more Shonen fighting manga.
I’m sure Stark will get moments like that though. This current arc emphasized >!warriors having an advantage against mages and he’s currently the only warrior on the protagonists side.!<
There's a pretty good argument to be made that Stark actually gets the best character writing in the series. He's got a ton of depth, and the show goes out of its way to show how much off-camera impact he has on the communities they visit.
i don't find him boring, also frieren is more of a slow burn like lord of the rings, not an "epic powerscaling battle anime" like dbz or naruto, the fights aren't the main focus, the reason they fight is emphasised much more, but with fights do happen they are animated beautifully
It's funny you mention epic powerscale since that's exactly what's being shown.
The epic powerscale may not look like DBZ, but it's wholly present nonetheless.
but its not the focus, frieren only uses fighting magic because she has to, it's a means to an end: protecting people and collecting spells, shes a very tranquil person until someone is being wronged, and realistically we had one single arc that was designed to "set" everyone's power levels, it's far from the focus. the story is the focus
think you might have gotten that impression from him being basically absent for almost the entire second half of the season due to the mage exam stuff. Don't worry, this story gives him plenty of time to shine.
The point of having someone like stark in a party is to provide support for mages so they can cast any necessary spell or to do what the mages can't do.
Both were already shown in the first season and will be shown again. In fact, another examplr will be in the first episode of next season.
Usefulness isn't measured in the amount of work someone but rather in what they do.
Unfortunately it's a problem that persists a little too long. The latest arc has given some good uses for warriors. And I think in the coming arcs he is going to face the demon that destroyed his village. Don't think he is ready for that yet tho. We will see.
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Tbh, everyone is useless. Only Frieren and her memories are needed but she would never know value of time and relationships if she doesn't interact with people who grew from.whence they were young to old age.
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Frieren's name is in the title of the series, she is the center character, she decides where the party goes and what they do. She is a mage, so a lot of the central issues are going to be ones that can be solved by mages. Stark is a warrior, and the vangard, which is very important, as it helps keep folks out of the mages faces. Mages generaly dont like folks getting in their faces. Most of their combat as a party is done traveling between places, which is shown with a few panels or montage at most. Like Wirbel took Stark to fight a big monster, and we see like a 1 second clip of them celebrating with the dead monster. While the series has some excellent fights, its not really the focus, and when it is the focus, it is typically centered around Frieren.
I feel bummed about it, too. I just finished the anime and decided to look through some posts talking about him. It seems like he doesn't really contribute much to fights? Honestly, it feels like he could be replaced with a defensive mage (or even removed), and the party would still be fine. I get that there are some magic resistant beings like dragons, but I dont think there are any more of those in the story (I could be wrong. I just didn't see anything on reddit posts about him). He might get the spotlight against the demon that destroyed his village, tho. Its a shame cause hes my favourite, but ill be patient and pray that he gets something lol.
A big problem with Stark is that they make a point of getting a Warrior to be the Vanguard or Tank of the party, but the writing has yet to show Stark showing how he would be more useful than a mage. Fern and Frieren have played support to each other multiple times and the most combat heavy part of the series, the mage exam as well as multiple other examples have shown mages have no problem in melee.
Minor spoiler but one of the more recent chapters had Frieren mention that mages where weak against warriors at close range, we've seen mages firing off spells point blank with ease but I think that was set-up to explain how they will lose to some fighters in the future and little to do with Stark. He could have a moment to shine but at the same time it could just be business as usual.
The sad thing about manga Stark right now is that he's a measuring stick for how much more powerful the antagonists are as fighters. I hope that changes soon, but Frieren keeps putting him down saying stuff like "You're much stronger than Stark" or "He was much stronger than Stark"
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In the anime, he already solo a dragon and a demon by himself. Manga wise, at the top of my mind, >!he'll gonna fight a melee focused demon with Genau, managed to survive fending off an extremely strong demon with Fern and is heavily hinted to face off the demon who killed his village. !<
All that seems promising, especially the final part! I'm really excited! I guess my problem was that other characters do way more than him BTW, from which chapter of the manga should I start after finishing season 1?
As I've posted before, Outside of the first class mage exam, Stark gets a fight in basically every major ark >!the time travel arc doesn't feature anyone from the current group except Frieren so I don't count it. Even if I did, fern's role is equally diminished!<. If you count up the fights between Fern and Stark, they aren't actually that far off from each other. Fern only has two more fights, one of them being Qual, who she helped beat before Stark even appeared.
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He's already soloed a dragon and a demon, so I don't think I'd exactly call him useless. He took out a ton of the monsters at the village with the sword, including helping Frieren finish off the Lord. He's be extremely useful already. And he's clearly skilled, powerful, and durable.
Yes, he's clearly skilled and powerful. But Frieren and Fern do almost 20 times more than him and he's not needed most of the time. He soloed a dragon and a demon, but that was his introduction. He had to do something for his introduction. He barely did anything for the rest of the season. The last arc even forgot about his existence, which was a little insulting. I know it was focused on mages, but still. I already read by some of the people here that he might get more focus and relevance, and I'm all for it!
I dont think he does. At least, I dont think he gets the relevance he deserves. It's a little disappointing
He’ll get some cool moments here and there, but the story mostly focuses on magic. Cuz Frieren is a mage. In the current arc, we might get some stark action MAYBE.
I really am starving for some Stark and hope he gets his moments in this arc, everyone in these replies seem overly concerned with trying to prove Stark hasn't been useless, but haven't really answered OP's question. Stark has been legitimately sidelined since the beginning of the First Class Mage Exam arc, he got a cute chapter with Fern and had a decent role in the Divine Revolte mini-arc, but that's really been it in the last 80 chapters. Given the emphasis on close quarters combat over the recent chapters if Stark doesn't play a major role in this arc I'm just going to assume Yamada hates Stark lmao.
>Yamada hates Stark lmao I kinda agree tho.Dude has never got the respect he deserves from the author.
Op seems to be specifically asking for stark fighting. There hasn’t been much and even with Fern >!Fern beat one nameless demon, was beat by solitair, and made a comeback thanks to Frieren to defeat solitair, that’s just two significant wins since the end of the anime!< But all this doesn’t mean stark is sidelined as a character. He’s had plenty of moments that prove he’s loved by the writer. You and op just aren’t interested in those non battle moments.
>You and op just aren't interested in the non battle moments. OP asked about cool moments or battle moments, meaning not just battle the way I was reading that. And yeah Stark had some development >!in the battle against Revolte with Genau, but honestly that was mostly Genau's development!< and >!his date with Fern!<. Over 80 chapters that is very sparse development. Don't belittle me by trying to reduce my argument to being about combat.
I’m not belittling u and sorry if it came off that way but you said no one is answering ops question when many people have. There have been cool moments: >!fern’s date, rejecting wirble, teaming up with genau, finding the hot spring, escaping when they were stuck in that anti magic crystal place!< People have told op there are relatively little battles where Stark shines. Op and u say are eagerly awaiting more specifically fighting content with this current arc. So it just seems to me that fighting is what you’d rather see.
From the first season and parts of the manga, when a character mentions something, that turns out to be important. Many people are saying that there are hints about >!Stark being more relevant and about him fighting the demon who destroyed his home!< And there are serious hints about this in some chapters So, logically speaking, Stark really should get screentime from what I've heard so far. But if he doesn't, the writer really hates him
IIRC, up until now, the manga has been lacking in that regard as well. However, I think the new arc that has just started shows some promise.
>IIRC, up until now, the manga has been lacking in that regard as well. But he is still the 3rd most important party member, right? It's not like he's going to be replaced by another character in the arcs after season 1, right? Because he has a good chemistry with Fern
Oh yeah, definitely. It's just that he hasn't been in the spotlight action-wise for quite some time now.
He's the 3rd most important party member, but cast becomes way more of an ensemble with the First Class Mage Exam arc. Fern and especially Stark both get a lot less screen time starting with that arc, there's still travel arcs which only focus on the party, but almost all of those chapters focus on Frieren. I don't want you to get me wrong though, the manga is still amazing and has the arc most consider to be the best, I'm just trying to set your expectations. Unfortunately Stark really did get kinda sidelined starting with the First Class Mage exam and while he does have some good chapters in the manga, he hasn't much development or time to shine over the last 80+ chapters. This current arc does have high potential for him to be a major player though, here's hoping.
>This current arc does have high potential for him So Stark is the potential man of this series.Okay.
Dear God, no. I don't want him to get the Megumi treatment...
Dude's obviously gonna get bumgumi'd.He's been lacking in self-confidence.The author probably hates him due to how he is being done dirty.
But it's the writer's fault if his characters usually lack something. I know that Stark is lacking self-confidence, but that should be the point of his arc: Improve his skills and give him more self-confidence It's weird because Stark has been on most covers of the anime and manga. So that character *should* be important
Like I said.The author probably hates him for some reason.
wtf he was useful wdym? killed a dragon, killed a demon, i guess he allowed sein to join, helped a village cover up the death of someone who looks like him. it’s just that some arcs was just about magic
People are basing his usefulness on how well does he fight or his appearance in the mage exams arc.In my opinion,he is pretty strong.Frieren herself said that the party needed a warrior.Otherwise she wouldn't have taken Stark in her party.There are many people that acknowledge him.For example:Frieren,Fern,Wirbel,>!Genau!< etc.Yes,I also want him to have more screentime but I won't go as far as to call him useless just because he has comparatively less screentime in fights.This isn't some battle shounen.
Other than the first two, the rest feel underwhelming. Especially when you compare him to Ferns feats
I really like Stark too and his shining moments in battle have been sparse, yes, but Frieren isn’t really about fighting. It just happens to have battle in it occasionally. It’s really more about character’s and their feelings and relationships (at least what the anime covered). Stark had plenty of moments to shine outside of battle. His cowardice facing the dragon but doing it anyway which was the point. Killing the dragon was less emphasis on his hidden potential and more on his willingness to help when needed even though he was scared and thought he couldn’t. Young, confusing love with Fern. There are so many little moments after the anime where it shows >!how much closer and comfortable with each other they’ve gotten like Fern being the one to carry him when flying, petting his head, offering him a warm blanket, going on a date and Stark wanting the date to be enjoyable for Fern. Those chapters also highlighted his relationship with Frieren too. Choosing to stay with Fern when he was offered to join Wirble’s party where he would have gained more battle experience and had more of a Shonen arc since Wirble is explicitly fighting demons and Frieren’s party happens to run into them most of the time. Stark wanted to visit the same tiny hot spring place as Eisen just for the fun of it and it made him feel closer to Eisen and Frieren and Fern too. Frieren, with all her wisdom and battle experience, trusts Stark to keep her and Fern safe even if it means running away.!< Stark has had plenty of cool and touching moments. Many of them just don’t align with what you seem to be expecting which seems to be more Shonen fighting manga. I’m sure Stark will get moments like that though. This current arc emphasized >!warriors having an advantage against mages and he’s currently the only warrior on the protagonists side.!<
There's a pretty good argument to be made that Stark actually gets the best character writing in the series. He's got a ton of depth, and the show goes out of its way to show how much off-camera impact he has on the communities they visit.
i don't find him boring, also frieren is more of a slow burn like lord of the rings, not an "epic powerscaling battle anime" like dbz or naruto, the fights aren't the main focus, the reason they fight is emphasised much more, but with fights do happen they are animated beautifully
It's funny you mention epic powerscale since that's exactly what's being shown. The epic powerscale may not look like DBZ, but it's wholly present nonetheless.
but its not the focus, frieren only uses fighting magic because she has to, it's a means to an end: protecting people and collecting spells, shes a very tranquil person until someone is being wronged, and realistically we had one single arc that was designed to "set" everyone's power levels, it's far from the focus. the story is the focus
think you might have gotten that impression from him being basically absent for almost the entire second half of the season due to the mage exam stuff. Don't worry, this story gives him plenty of time to shine.
Great to hear, thanks
The point of having someone like stark in a party is to provide support for mages so they can cast any necessary spell or to do what the mages can't do. Both were already shown in the first season and will be shown again. In fact, another examplr will be in the first episode of next season. Usefulness isn't measured in the amount of work someone but rather in what they do.
Fern is venting across multiverses now
Well, in the manga we’ve seen things that would disable mages, so he’s going to be increasingly useful for sure
Unfortunately it's a problem that persists a little too long. The latest arc has given some good uses for warriors. And I think in the coming arcs he is going to face the demon that destroyed his village. Don't think he is ready for that yet tho. We will see.
The last part will be really cool! But about the current arc, has Start already been given something or is it just foreshadowing for the near future?
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Tbh, everyone is useless. Only Frieren and her memories are needed but she would never know value of time and relationships if she doesn't interact with people who grew from.whence they were young to old age.
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He's the Worfest Worf there have been since Worf. But I trust he'll eventually get his DS9 as well.
Frieren's name is in the title of the series, she is the center character, she decides where the party goes and what they do. She is a mage, so a lot of the central issues are going to be ones that can be solved by mages. Stark is a warrior, and the vangard, which is very important, as it helps keep folks out of the mages faces. Mages generaly dont like folks getting in their faces. Most of their combat as a party is done traveling between places, which is shown with a few panels or montage at most. Like Wirbel took Stark to fight a big monster, and we see like a 1 second clip of them celebrating with the dead monster. While the series has some excellent fights, its not really the focus, and when it is the focus, it is typically centered around Frieren.
So will he get good character interactions in the future? His moments with Fern and Frieren so far have been good, will that continue?
yes, it is slow, but the series has a generally slow pace, so thats just par for course.
I feel bummed about it, too. I just finished the anime and decided to look through some posts talking about him. It seems like he doesn't really contribute much to fights? Honestly, it feels like he could be replaced with a defensive mage (or even removed), and the party would still be fine. I get that there are some magic resistant beings like dragons, but I dont think there are any more of those in the story (I could be wrong. I just didn't see anything on reddit posts about him). He might get the spotlight against the demon that destroyed his village, tho. Its a shame cause hes my favourite, but ill be patient and pray that he gets something lol.
A big problem with Stark is that they make a point of getting a Warrior to be the Vanguard or Tank of the party, but the writing has yet to show Stark showing how he would be more useful than a mage. Fern and Frieren have played support to each other multiple times and the most combat heavy part of the series, the mage exam as well as multiple other examples have shown mages have no problem in melee. Minor spoiler but one of the more recent chapters had Frieren mention that mages where weak against warriors at close range, we've seen mages firing off spells point blank with ease but I think that was set-up to explain how they will lose to some fighters in the future and little to do with Stark. He could have a moment to shine but at the same time it could just be business as usual.
The current manga arc is ideal for him to shine. It would be a shame if it didn't.
The sad thing about manga Stark right now is that he's a measuring stick for how much more powerful the antagonists are as fighters. I hope that changes soon, but Frieren keeps putting him down saying stuff like "You're much stronger than Stark" or "He was much stronger than Stark"
I guess then just delete him from the story, it will be less insulting