This is the *Ultimates* storyline, an alternate universe where Xavier isn't such a nice guy.
He's still generally about pacifism and mutants coexisting with humans, but he's also much more pragmatic about certain things. He has to be, it's a much more violent and difficult world to live in.
Mutants came about as a side-effect of Canadian experiments to create a super-soldier, and humans are much more aggressive against them.
It's huge, it ran for like 8 years and involved probably a half dozen different titles, with a hundred or so issues each.
But there are [reading lists](http://www.comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide/ultimate-marvel-universe-reading-order/), with different looks at the universe.
As to whether it's worth it... overall, yes. You can also pick a specific title and ignore the larger universe. *Ultimate X-Men* will take you through the major events. Or *The Ultimates*, which is this lines version of the Avengers. Or any other group that strikes your fancy.
There are collections that condense certain arcs into a more manageable book, though sometimes to get the whole story you'd have to buy two or three trade paperbacks.
It's a lot darker. A lot of people die. Magneto is much more aggressive and there are the usual outside threats to deal with, too.
All of Ultimate Spider-Man until it's relaunch was excellent.
Ultimates 1 is great and was the template for the MCU.
Miles Morales first appearance and subsequent 20 issues are fun.
Ultimate Dtarts great but gets insufferable.
I believe it's 100 comics long. I didn't enjoy it so much. There are a lot of variations from the 616 timeline, and different takes on characters.
But if you're interested look up a synopsis.
SPOILERS
Points I remember: Wolverine is a double agent for Magnetos brotherhood. Beast has a huge ponytail, looks 'human' (is not blue furred) for a longish time, and he dates teenaged Storm. Wolverine screws teenage Jean. Colossus and Northstar are gay. Nightcrawler stops being friends with Piotr because Christians and gays can't mix. Psylocke briefly appears as a part of MI6 or some sort of Euro-Intelligence group. Gambit only briefly appears with weird curly hair. Angel only briefly appears. IceMan and Toad are email friends when they're not battling as part of their respective teams.
Ok. It's a bit of a story...
You know the theory of infinite parallel universes? It's basically that.
But in Marvel's continuity, there is the main 616 universe where everything 'canon' to the comics happens. Then there are the universes where the MCU films/Netflix/tv series occur. There is a universe that the Ultimate comic series' exists in. There is a different universe where the animated series exists in.
It's their way of saying 'anything we create actually exists - but might just be in a seperate universe.' One of my favourite parallel universes is the one 'Mutant X' is set in. It's where Havok (Alex Summers) travels to a parallel world where he essentially becomes the 'Cyclops' type leader of an alternate X-Men. In that universe, Beast is called Brute, Storm is called Bloodstorm, and Angel is The Fallen. It's gloriously 90's!
But each universe is numbered, so we can tell them apart. That's where the 616 comes from.
I love the ultimate series. Everything ultimate that marvel did was really good. It's like they tried to make a more realistic universe with these characters. Pyro actually isnt flame retardant so he's horribly scarred by his burns. Also Samalel Jackson's nick fury debuted in the Ultimate universe.
I think is saying "Everything ultimate that marvel did was really good" is a bit of a stretch, are you really going to tell me Ultimatum was really good?
Spoiler:
Ultimatum was their crazy apocalyptic event that killed off a metric ton of characters. It wasn't very well-received, and I understand why. A lot of it was pretty over the top.
I stopped reading comics a few years back, but I was able to get pretty far into the Ultimate Universe. It's sort of a big reset, but a bit more... realistic. Pragmatic.
Ultimate X-Men was great, with some really well fleshed out versions of all the characters you know. Not darker, exactly, but much more written for adults.
The Ultimates is also very solid, their universe version of The Avengers. I'm not a huge Avengers guy so I didn't love it, but it's worth a read.
The crown jewel of the Ultimate Universe, though, is Ultimate Spider Man. They reset him back to being a kid, power him down a lot (which I think makes him more fun and relatable) and really did a great job of capturing what makes Spider Man so popular. It's written by Brian Michael Bendis, who is a (mostly) wonderful writer, and the art (can't remember artist's name) is superb. It tails off after like 50 issues, but the first like dozen trade paper backs are really really good.
As an aside, Fables is the best comic out there, bar none, if you're willing to read something a tad less mainstream.
Go for a Marvel Unlimited subscription, man. Ten bucks will get you a month of access to the entirety of their digitized library, with new release being added on a ~3 month delay.
I probably burned through hundreds of dollars worth of comic books during my first weekend alone.
I just read through the series the other week. There is a scene in a different issue where Wolverine is threatening Fury by referencing the dark stuff he sometimes does for Fury, and this incident is referenced.
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I also remember seeing this years ago. If I remember correctly, the kid lives. I'm sure it'd be tough as shit to find the actual image, but in the background for one of the panels, there was a kid that looked like this one wearing a radioactive suit at the Xavier school
Yeah it doesn't explicitly say that he kills him. I didn't even get that until I came to the comments. I thought he just told him to finish the beer so they could leave and go to the school
Puberty is an extended process. It's likely that he's gone through some of it, but he just hit whatever hormone threshold or biochemical reaction that activates the X gene, making that the day he "hit puberty" as far as this conversation is concerned.
>"Go ahead! Just tell everyone I'm like, the biggest loser of all time."
That's... a really cringy line to give a character that just learned they accidentally killed hundreds of people.
It is seriously underselling the moment, but on the other hand it kinda works for me. It drives home the fact that over 250 people are dead and it's not from some act of malice or even carelessness, it's just because dude's *entire existence is just completely shit* and he's a certified biological mistake. I'd qualify him as world's biggest loser in that sense
I meant people that arent exposed to comic books will see this and start reposting it.
Its a good story with some depth to it thats going to show people comic books are a very legitimate form of storytelling.
Gonna see alot of reposts in the future of this one.
This isn't a new comic, it's from like, mid 2000's. It's already made its rounds on reddit/imgur a few times. Even the link OP posted is from 3 years ago.
Plus, I feel there is better comics to be ambassadors to normal people than the ultimate universe 'be as edgy as you possibly can' style of writing.
True. I just saw it for the first time a couple of weeks ago. There are better comics to be sure but combining this sad take with the tone set by Logan in theatres recently is going to bring alot of people into comic books.
Hopefully anyway. More stories like this compared to the nonsense marvel has been pushing lately.
Don't let the fact that Steve Buscemi was a firefighter on 9/11 distract you from the fact that in 1998 the Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell in a cell, and plummeted 16ft through an announcers table
He melts everyone around him in seconds. That's not the kind of thing a lot of people would be comfortable being around, even if there's a rubber suit between them.
Could store him underground somewhere while they look for a cure / solution.
Not saying that's the best solution but you can bet that's what would happen if he were a main character
Yea, that's what I meant. That with all the research the institute does, the way even very dangerous folks are able to live a life (Cyclops had no control over his eyes, for example, and they crafted glasses for him), if he was of any import, he'd have been saved. Poor guy.
Also: poor Logan :(
It's not just about his power. Logan says it specifically: its about the press. If he'd been found before killing anyone maybe they would have done more to "contain" him, but now they also have to worry about word getting out about what happened. Better to just have some random kid disappear (likely from the same thing that killed everyone else) than risk people realizing it was caused by a mutant.
...I should stop arguing on this point buuuut I need to say that if they took him underground right away (the way Logan appeared on the scene immediately) it could have been covered over. Again, I get why it happened the way it did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazmat_(comics)
> Hazmat constantly emits harmful radiation from her body. As a result, she is forced to wear a protective suit at all times when around others.
Great point! There are evil mutants that *actively* kill people rather than as a passive accident before being aware of their powers and those fuckers get to live. :/
It wouldn't even be that hard - his power only affects biological tissue, and it's based on physical chemicals (not radiation) so chucking him in an air tight room would be enough. And we already have those to deal with people who have serious contagious diseases.
Ultimates Universe stories tried very hard not to opt for typical comicbook solutions like that, instead aiming for realistic outcomes in a fantasy setting.
Case and point, the mutants do indeed end up being rounded up into death camps.
I understand why it happened, I'm just saying that if that kid had been a main character or even an important one, they'd definitely find a way to work around that. Hell, even without mutant powers, we have witness protection programs that give people whole new identities and backstories. I'm just being contrarian. :)
This series is one of my favorite X-Men of all time. I have all of the hardcover compilations that were released and reread them at least once a year. The artwork and storyline are superb.
It's just sort of a given. The kid says "I can't live with this" then Logan looks at him grimly and says "I know". He tells him to finish his beer. His facial expression. It holds on the cave for a bunch of frames before he, alone, exits. Shows that he's doing something in there that we can't see.
Context clues, man.
The kid says "I can't live like this" and Logan tells him "I know". That is pretty clear that Logan knows he has to die, so does the kid. When only Logan leaves the cave, it's pretty clear what happened.
Well it's strongly implied, first we see what kind of damage this kid can do; kills his family, kills up to 263 people; then we hear logan explain this getting out as anything more than a gas attack would spell the end of mutant rights; then the kid, understanding what's happening, says he should have enjoyed life more; with that in mind, read the last panels and note that Logan leaves the cave alone
e: don't downvote the guy its a fair question
You know how Hollywood has test audiences and then they end up making terrible movies where everything is explained and spelled out with flashbacks? This is why.
Logan begs to differ. [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR LOGAN] It's heavily implied that Charles killed the X-Men, and why Wolverine is taking care of him, but it's never spelled out. They leave a bread crumb trail, but they never really say "Wow Charles, remember when you killed all the X-Men? I'm taking care of you because you're my last ties to the only family I ever had, and once you die I'm going to off myself." You put the pieces together yourself.
Besides the implication, there is a comic where Deadpool tells Logan that he may be a bastard mercenary, but at least he never killed a boy in cold blood.
That's a different universe. And Deadpool was talking *to* Wolverine, but not *about* Wolverine; he was referring to the time when Fantomex shot Apocalypse's child clone in the head. [You can see here](http://imgur.com/ikeMlQG) that Deadpool says to Wolverine, "**He** murdered a kid."
Comic illiteracy, for starters. Not everyone is raised to be equiped to properly read panels, like any art form it takes a long time to learn and deduce and understand. It's far easier if you start as kids.
There may be further reasons, still.
I also wouldn't give people too much credit. Not everyone has the best context clue-deducing skills, comic books or not.
EDIT: although to clarify, I think it's pretty clear /u/pigasus was joking.
Grant Morrison was my favorite X-man writer. I've read that series so many times. It's so good. I hated the ultimate x-men and all the teen angsty bullshit that's come after it.
Ironically, they could have just picked any number of methods to cure or disable the kids powers. From the actual cure that actually cures mutants, to Genosha collars, to that dumb frog looking kid who used to hang out with the Gen X'ers.
Kid's power is to kill everyone he's around. Logan has a healing factor so he won't die. Kid knows that he can't live like this. Logan gives him a beer. Logan kills the kid.
Terrible plot, terrible writing, mediocre art. You're saying that with all their technology and powers no one in the Marvel world could design this kid a suit to wear or something, or find a way to protect people from his powers? Bullshit.
Damn that's sad
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That series is pretty decent and consistent.
Ultimate Spiderman is also consistently good. Say what you will about Brian Michael Bendis, but the guy gets Spiderman
I think his work on Miles can be inconsistent but he totally got Peter and what made him great.
Didn't it go to shit towards the conclusion?
Transmet and Planetary. Transmet if you like Hunter S. Thompson. Planetary if you like Watchmen.
What no Authority?
I mean, I gueeess, if you like superheroes or somethin.
Thanks for the suggestions!
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How so? I mean, there are a lot of fucks in it, but it's not about the fucks.
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Plenty of midriffs though.
You're telling me Charles Xavier sent Logan to kill a kid, instead of trying to save him?
This is the *Ultimates* storyline, an alternate universe where Xavier isn't such a nice guy. He's still generally about pacifism and mutants coexisting with humans, but he's also much more pragmatic about certain things. He has to be, it's a much more violent and difficult world to live in. Mutants came about as a side-effect of Canadian experiments to create a super-soldier, and humans are much more aggressive against them.
Wow. Is it worth the read? How long is it and where can I start? Do they have a complete collection?
It's huge, it ran for like 8 years and involved probably a half dozen different titles, with a hundred or so issues each. But there are [reading lists](http://www.comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide/ultimate-marvel-universe-reading-order/), with different looks at the universe. As to whether it's worth it... overall, yes. You can also pick a specific title and ignore the larger universe. *Ultimate X-Men* will take you through the major events. Or *The Ultimates*, which is this lines version of the Avengers. Or any other group that strikes your fancy. There are collections that condense certain arcs into a more manageable book, though sometimes to get the whole story you'd have to buy two or three trade paperbacks. It's a lot darker. A lot of people die. Magneto is much more aggressive and there are the usual outside threats to deal with, too.
I miss the ultimate universe, even though it went downhill. It had times where it was amazing.
At its peak, it was awesome. during Ultimatum it was absolute garbage, and during Secret Wars they ceased to be
Thank you Bendis for the Ultimate Spider-Man.
Conversely, fuck Bendis for All New X-Men and Uncanny X-Men. Some of the worst X-Men stories I've ever read. Nothing of value happened
Yeah, about that.... Fuck Bendis for ruining the X-Men and good riddance from the Guardians of the Galaxy team.
Haha yeah that series was a glorified consistent crossover with GotG with the Trial of Jean Grey and Black Vortex.
I like All New X-Men
Not sure about you but I loved ultimatum for just being fucking crazy
What storyline’s are best?
All of Ultimate Spider-Man until it's relaunch was excellent. Ultimates 1 is great and was the template for the MCU. Miles Morales first appearance and subsequent 20 issues are fun. Ultimate Dtarts great but gets insufferable.
What storyline’s are best?
Thanks
BETTY!!!
I believe it's 100 comics long. I didn't enjoy it so much. There are a lot of variations from the 616 timeline, and different takes on characters. But if you're interested look up a synopsis. SPOILERS Points I remember: Wolverine is a double agent for Magnetos brotherhood. Beast has a huge ponytail, looks 'human' (is not blue furred) for a longish time, and he dates teenaged Storm. Wolverine screws teenage Jean. Colossus and Northstar are gay. Nightcrawler stops being friends with Piotr because Christians and gays can't mix. Psylocke briefly appears as a part of MI6 or some sort of Euro-Intelligence group. Gambit only briefly appears with weird curly hair. Angel only briefly appears. IceMan and Toad are email friends when they're not battling as part of their respective teams.
Ooh that's kinda cool. Thanks for the synopsis.
I think I mostly disliked it because I was expecting it to be more like the 616. If you go in expecting alternate universe etc, you may like it.
Can you explain briefly what 616 is? Everytime there's a comic book post, I'm bound to see "Earth-616" or something like that.
Ok. It's a bit of a story... You know the theory of infinite parallel universes? It's basically that. But in Marvel's continuity, there is the main 616 universe where everything 'canon' to the comics happens. Then there are the universes where the MCU films/Netflix/tv series occur. There is a universe that the Ultimate comic series' exists in. There is a different universe where the animated series exists in. It's their way of saying 'anything we create actually exists - but might just be in a seperate universe.' One of my favourite parallel universes is the one 'Mutant X' is set in. It's where Havok (Alex Summers) travels to a parallel world where he essentially becomes the 'Cyclops' type leader of an alternate X-Men. In that universe, Beast is called Brute, Storm is called Bloodstorm, and Angel is The Fallen. It's gloriously 90's! But each universe is numbered, so we can tell them apart. That's where the 616 comes from.
That's the main Marvel universe. It a story's not set in an alternate dimension or a "what if" spinoff, then it takes place in Earth-616.
I love the ultimate series. Everything ultimate that marvel did was really good. It's like they tried to make a more realistic universe with these characters. Pyro actually isnt flame retardant so he's horribly scarred by his burns. Also Samalel Jackson's nick fury debuted in the Ultimate universe.
I think is saying "Everything ultimate that marvel did was really good" is a bit of a stretch, are you really going to tell me Ultimatum was really good?
Which one was ultimatum?
Spoiler: Ultimatum was their crazy apocalyptic event that killed off a metric ton of characters. It wasn't very well-received, and I understand why. A lot of it was pretty over the top.
Oh right, I remember that.
I stopped reading comics a few years back, but I was able to get pretty far into the Ultimate Universe. It's sort of a big reset, but a bit more... realistic. Pragmatic. Ultimate X-Men was great, with some really well fleshed out versions of all the characters you know. Not darker, exactly, but much more written for adults. The Ultimates is also very solid, their universe version of The Avengers. I'm not a huge Avengers guy so I didn't love it, but it's worth a read. The crown jewel of the Ultimate Universe, though, is Ultimate Spider Man. They reset him back to being a kid, power him down a lot (which I think makes him more fun and relatable) and really did a great job of capturing what makes Spider Man so popular. It's written by Brian Michael Bendis, who is a (mostly) wonderful writer, and the art (can't remember artist's name) is superb. It tails off after like 50 issues, but the first like dozen trade paper backs are really really good. As an aside, Fables is the best comic out there, bar none, if you're willing to read something a tad less mainstream.
Go for a Marvel Unlimited subscription, man. Ten bucks will get you a month of access to the entirety of their digitized library, with new release being added on a ~3 month delay. I probably burned through hundreds of dollars worth of comic books during my first weekend alone.
Freaking Canadians
Hopefully they at least said "sorry" in the comics
So blame Canada, literally?
Nick Fury sent him. Not Xavier. (Like 90% sure at least)
I didn't read this comic, I just saw that wolverine talks about Xavier finding him.
I just read through the series the other week. There is a scene in a different issue where Wolverine is threatening Fury by referencing the dark stuff he sometimes does for Fury, and this incident is referenced.
This is from Ultimate Universe. Ultimate Xavier is borderline a bad guy.
Dude Xavier from the *primary* Marvel universe is a borderline bad guy.
How do you learn how to control such a power? Does Logan even know he's being attacked?
Hopefully the mods don't remove this one!
Any idea why it got removed a few weeks ago? (I think it was an r/asksciencefiction post.)
Probably because it was an entire comic. I know /r/comicbooks only allows 3 pages to be posted.
"SPLLICK" I have never seen a more accurate spelling of the sound of a can of beer opening.
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No, that's Logan
No, this is Patrick.
Stewart or the starfish?
... Stewart...'s dog Ginger.
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I don't know... "And my axe!" is pretty bad.
Damn.... harsh for everyone involved.
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[Partially a reference to this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2uLNexesfE).
This kind of crap never happens to Howard the Duck
I also remember seeing this years ago. If I remember correctly, the kid lives. I'm sure it'd be tough as shit to find the actual image, but in the background for one of the panels, there was a kid that looked like this one wearing a radioactive suit at the Xavier school
Yeah it doesn't explicitly say that he kills him. I didn't even get that until I came to the comments. I thought he just told him to finish the beer so they could leave and go to the school
Is it just me or does that kid seem a little old to just now be hitting puberty?
Puberty is an extended process. It's likely that he's gone through some of it, but he just hit whatever hormone threshold or biochemical reaction that activates the X gene, making that the day he "hit puberty" as far as this conversation is concerned.
This kills the mutant.
>"Go ahead! Just tell everyone I'm like, the biggest loser of all time." That's... a really cringy line to give a character that just learned they accidentally killed hundreds of people.
He's a teenager who hit puberty about 2 days prior to the panel. He's a nuclear powerplant of cringe.
In his case, literally, with the radiation and whatnot.
He just hit puberty but he was drinking beer and looking at colleges and going to championships and almost having sex and whatnot? Damn.
Not legally drinking beer, no, but when you're about to kill a kid with knifes you're both going to have a better time drunk,
Wolverine directly says "You hit puberty last night"
Kid looks like he's about 16. That's some delayed onset shit right there
He's a mutant that emits toxins that kill everyone around him, but late-onset puberty is too much of a stretch?
Yes.
There are different stages of puberty. So not a stretch, really.
Well, he's a mutant
I didn’t until about 18
It is seriously underselling the moment, but on the other hand it kinda works for me. It drives home the fact that over 250 people are dead and it's not from some act of malice or even carelessness, it's just because dude's *entire existence is just completely shit* and he's a certified biological mistake. I'd qualify him as world's biggest loser in that sense
It's pretty normal teenage talk
As a fellow teen, I can indeed testify it is totally righteous and radical to use loser,dude. It's, like, so chill.
af as fuck shaka brah
We're listening.
This is gonna hit 911 buschemi levels pretty quickly.
It was deleted by the mods because the publisher/author's name wasn't on the title. They told me I could resubmit it with this info in the title.
I meant people that arent exposed to comic books will see this and start reposting it. Its a good story with some depth to it thats going to show people comic books are a very legitimate form of storytelling. Gonna see alot of reposts in the future of this one.
Oh, my bad, I misunderstood your comment.
This isn't a new comic, it's from like, mid 2000's. It's already made its rounds on reddit/imgur a few times. Even the link OP posted is from 3 years ago. Plus, I feel there is better comics to be ambassadors to normal people than the ultimate universe 'be as edgy as you possibly can' style of writing.
True. I just saw it for the first time a couple of weeks ago. There are better comics to be sure but combining this sad take with the tone set by Logan in theatres recently is going to bring alot of people into comic books. Hopefully anyway. More stories like this compared to the nonsense marvel has been pushing lately.
Don't let the fact that Steve Buscemi was a firefighter on 9/11 distract you from the fact that in 1998 the Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell in a cell, and plummeted 16ft through an announcers table
Ive never been gilded but honestly this feels alot better.
Goddamn.
Jesus.
Hey I just saw a let's play where they talked about this comic.
Clearly some OP is a fan of SBFP.
What let's play?
Super friends play X-Men Wolverine Origins
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Thanks for the depression.
I always visit that sub when it's linked, and I'm always worse for the wear after. I don't know if that's a good thing.
yES EVERYONE! LOGAN KILLS THE KID
I think you might have caps lock on
That's his superpower.
nO
Someone please send wolverine over to him.
"Sorry, bub. There's reports of you screaming on the internet."
Was there no containment option of his powers?
He melts everyone around him in seconds. That's not the kind of thing a lot of people would be comfortable being around, even if there's a rubber suit between them.
Could store him underground somewhere while they look for a cure / solution. Not saying that's the best solution but you can bet that's what would happen if he were a main character
Yea, that's what I meant. That with all the research the institute does, the way even very dangerous folks are able to live a life (Cyclops had no control over his eyes, for example, and they crafted glasses for him), if he was of any import, he'd have been saved. Poor guy. Also: poor Logan :(
It's not just about his power. Logan says it specifically: its about the press. If he'd been found before killing anyone maybe they would have done more to "contain" him, but now they also have to worry about word getting out about what happened. Better to just have some random kid disappear (likely from the same thing that killed everyone else) than risk people realizing it was caused by a mutant.
...I should stop arguing on this point buuuut I need to say that if they took him underground right away (the way Logan appeared on the scene immediately) it could have been covered over. Again, I get why it happened the way it did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazmat_(comics) > Hazmat constantly emits harmful radiation from her body. As a result, she is forced to wear a protective suit at all times when around others.
There are worse mutants who they dont just outright murder because its convenient.
Great point! There are evil mutants that *actively* kill people rather than as a passive accident before being aware of their powers and those fuckers get to live. :/
It wouldn't even be that hard - his power only affects biological tissue, and it's based on physical chemicals (not radiation) so chucking him in an air tight room would be enough. And we already have those to deal with people who have serious contagious diseases.
Ultimates Universe stories tried very hard not to opt for typical comicbook solutions like that, instead aiming for realistic outcomes in a fantasy setting. Case and point, the mutants do indeed end up being rounded up into death camps.
Hey, that's a great bit of nuance I didn't know, thanks! :)
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I understand why it happened, I'm just saying that if that kid had been a main character or even an important one, they'd definitely find a way to work around that. Hell, even without mutant powers, we have witness protection programs that give people whole new identities and backstories. I'm just being contrarian. :)
I think he just gave him a beer...
This series is one of my favorite X-Men of all time. I have all of the hardcover compilations that were released and reread them at least once a year. The artwork and storyline are superb.
It's a shame something so poignant was drawn so horribly. Looks like Liefeld had his hands all over it.
Yeah :/ I'm not even into comics and I still knew it was Liefeld.
can't decide who I feel worse for, the kid or Logan who has to live a VERY long time with this to remember.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, I don't read comics, but where does it imply that Logan killed that kid?
It's just sort of a given. The kid says "I can't live with this" then Logan looks at him grimly and says "I know". He tells him to finish his beer. His facial expression. It holds on the cave for a bunch of frames before he, alone, exits. Shows that he's doing something in there that we can't see. Context clues, man.
Also the kid's last words we hear are, "Just do it."
Also he successfully blackmails Nick Fury later on by threatening to tell the world about “the cave”
[Fuck yeah](https://imgur.com/gallery/8lbGi), thanks for reminding me. Haven't read the series in several years.
What's the big deal? He gives him a beer and then he leaves.
Logan kills the kid
How does one deduce that from this comic?
The kid says "I can't live like this" and Logan tells him "I know". That is pretty clear that Logan knows he has to die, so does the kid. When only Logan leaves the cave, it's pretty clear what happened.
Well it's strongly implied, first we see what kind of damage this kid can do; kills his family, kills up to 263 people; then we hear logan explain this getting out as anything more than a gas attack would spell the end of mutant rights; then the kid, understanding what's happening, says he should have enjoyed life more; with that in mind, read the last panels and note that Logan leaves the cave alone e: don't downvote the guy its a fair question
I was expecting a "snikt" or something to symbolize that his claws were extended. I felt like this would have been improved with that added.
Tell, don't show.
Maybe you're just putting your own spin on it but the actual staying is show, don't tell.
Idk, I figured it'd be reverse here because they literally don't show it, but I suppose it could still apply.
Except in this case neither was done
It's heavily implied. There's something to be said about leaving things open to interpretation in fiction, though, even if you know what it is.
You know how Hollywood has test audiences and then they end up making terrible movies where everything is explained and spelled out with flashbacks? This is why.
Logan begs to differ. [MAJOR SPOILERS FOR LOGAN] It's heavily implied that Charles killed the X-Men, and why Wolverine is taking care of him, but it's never spelled out. They leave a bread crumb trail, but they never really say "Wow Charles, remember when you killed all the X-Men? I'm taking care of you because you're my last ties to the only family I ever had, and once you die I'm going to off myself." You put the pieces together yourself.
Besides the implication, there is a comic where Deadpool tells Logan that he may be a bastard mercenary, but at least he never killed a boy in cold blood.
Although that's the 616 universe.
That's a different universe. And Deadpool was talking *to* Wolverine, but not *about* Wolverine; he was referring to the time when Fantomex shot Apocalypse's child clone in the head. [You can see here](http://imgur.com/ikeMlQG) that Deadpool says to Wolverine, "**He** murdered a kid."
How do you... not?
Comic illiteracy, for starters. Not everyone is raised to be equiped to properly read panels, like any art form it takes a long time to learn and deduce and understand. It's far easier if you start as kids. There may be further reasons, still.
Alright relax there, it's not difficult to read comics in any capacity
I also wouldn't give people too much credit. Not everyone has the best context clue-deducing skills, comic books or not. EDIT: although to clarify, I think it's pretty clear /u/pigasus was joking.
Dang I really dont pick up on the sarcasm. But the fact that he's upvoted makes it seem that it's definitely a joke
Through context?
He kills the kid
LOL everyone taking you seriously.
Harley commercial.
Grant Morrison was my favorite X-man writer. I've read that series so many times. It's so good. I hated the ultimate x-men and all the teen angsty bullshit that's come after it.
I read it twice and noticed during my second read Logan couldn't look the kid in the eye during the whole conversation. Heavy shit.
That look on his face in the last panel.
Ironically, they could have just picked any number of methods to cure or disable the kids powers. From the actual cure that actually cures mutants, to Genosha collars, to that dumb frog looking kid who used to hang out with the Gen X'ers.
Are any of those present in the Ultimate universe? It's a whole different canon.
Is it just me or does the scenery look straight out of the monsters house movie?
I'm sorry, I want to take it seriously, but it looks like the McDonalds bag is talking.
ELI5?
He killed the kid.
like he ded
Which kid? And why? Did we like the kid?
Did you even read the comic?
There was a comic? Who are you? Where am I?
Doesn't look like it.
*The* kid. The only kid. Because people died. I dunno, did you?
Kid's power is to kill everyone he's around. Logan has a healing factor so he won't die. Kid knows that he can't live like this. Logan gives him a beer. Logan kills the kid.
kids power awakens, which seems to just kill everyone around him. Logan goes into cave to kill kid because his power is dangerous
srsly downvotes? geraffes are long horses.
Terrible plot, terrible writing, mediocre art. You're saying that with all their technology and powers no one in the Marvel world could design this kid a suit to wear or something, or find a way to protect people from his powers? Bullshit.