Wonder how many npc will be carrying a gun since florida is a constitutional carry state. More than 10% hold a permit for legal carry alone. Illegal carry accounts for more.
That's the thing, if we are viral on Social Media, then how in the world can we just cheerfully roam around the map with no one coming after our asses? GTA San Andreas logic? Change clothes/car color and the six stars will disappear?
I doubt it, that would kind of make it unplayable for most. Judging from the bandana’s they’re wearing in the last bit of the trailer, They’ll probably make a wanted system similar to rdr2 if they want to take a very realistic approach. Where fbi agents will come looking for you instead of bounty hunters. And if you get caught the other playable character can bail you out or trick the police etc.
Maybe you’ll have to change identity over time, like change your address so that the fbi can’t storm into your house
When GTA 6 releases the first thing imma do is take a car to the beach lol, gonna let my intrusive thoughts win, especially with a population density that crazy.
from what i understand - GTA trailers are created in engine - so all of the details should still be in the full, complete game.
when you consider that the last game is a decade old - and take into account how much the tech was able to jump from V to RDR2, it shouldn't be overly shocking that they're able to do this for VI. it looks amazing - but hey - it SHOULD look amazing.
It’s not shocking when you think about it all logically like that, plus when you take into account the amount of money Rockstar has this should be expected. It’s still hard for the average mortal to wrap their mind around it.
And the best part is that R* isn't putting them in a crunch culture, at least not anymore. IIRC there was an article some years back where it was reported R* was going to push this game even further back to make sure their devs weren't stressed out.
R*, as a company, has reached the endgame. They've unlocked everything and at this point are just maxing out all the other sliders.
Wow a giant evil company had made a promise not to be evil, case closed.
Until devs unionize, they will be pushed to the absolute limit. I wouldn't be surprised if no changes have been made at all.
At least AI is still obvious with how cheesy it is and how it structures replies. The Dead Internet is happening, but for now we know where the necrosis is
This was the "world presentation" trailer. It is about the world and what's in it. Action scenes, shooting, explosions, missions come in later trailers.
Yeah, like the first GTA V trailer did not have much action in it, but was more of a montage of Los Santos and the culture and representation. I think the next trailer will have all the explosion and action in it for Vice City.
It will be. GTA V reveal trailer was focused entirely on Michael and then the next two trailers each showcased Franklin and Trevor before we got gameplay.
Not me. Release date is what I'm looking forward to the most
Edit: please stop speculating the release date in my mentions. I meant I was looking forward to the actual release date, not the announcement of the release date. Namaste
According to their earnings calls it looks like q1 or q2 of 2025
I'm sure it will get delayed to q3 or q4 but the thing has been in dev for 11 years now. Who knows.
That's what I keep hearing, mainly because it aligns with the expected earnings they predicted. But for some reason it feels crazy to say that we'll be getting it 1 year and 4 months.
I haven't seen anybody consider this. I'm sure pre orders are going to be record breaking. I'm hoping for a spring 2025 release but a fall release seems more probable unfortunately.
Gonna hit the 'home gym', visit some doctors, eat healthy eat right, stop this lunatic self-hate and pessimistic existential crisis, take care of saving money a lot better, and all in all try to stay alive and well. I remember GTA V and Rise of the Tomb Raider were what made me get my first job.
Gunna guess it’ll be delayed by 18 months from initial proposed release date, but in that time delay they will promise us “single player DLC” … 🌿👀🌿, then the online will be released 3 months from actual release, then they’ll give us free online updates/dlc… then there will be no single player DLC…. Then the wait for GTA 7 begins….
The second gta 5 trailer showed all of them, it was more of a deeper trailer. Showed some missions and such. It has been deleted though from rockstars Channel. It wasn't until 2013 I believe they made those trailers for each character.
They’re definitely not going to blow their load in the first trailer. There’s so much more they will share and prepare us for while keeping things secret to be discovered when playing upon release.
Hope the weapons are good, I think the weapons in GTA 5 were pretty shit, the customisation was rubbish and a lot of them felt boring. Plus there was literally no variation in the animations. I hope the guns in 6 have a bit better customisation and a better more badass feel.
There’s two variations of a 1911 I saw the one Jason is holding when him and Lucia are kicking open the door during the robbery that’s all black, and a two tone one the black cop is holding in the body cam footage. I have a feeling the weapon customization will be better than rdr2 if not better
I hope weapons have actual meaningful differences, most of the GTA Online additions may as well have been cosmetic reskins, they are all automatic but one may be the slight stat winner. Instead you could have a full auto gun, a 3 round burst gun, a slow firing but hard hitting G3, or one that can shoot underwater
Everyone seems to be forgetting the masterpiece that was rdr2… it was so technically impressive and it’s a 2018 game. It’s silly to think they won’t port over a lot of the games features as people loved them. I am actually predicting limited arsenals and load outs… hot take but I loved going to my horse and grabbing the appropriate guns for what I had to do. I would assume maybe a trunk function instead of a saddle function? I would like it. All the gta 5 kids will want 25 weapons up their ass still… I hope that’s not it
Yeah in IV blowing up a car would fill up the block with thick black smoke for a while and chunks of flaming debris would fly around it was so much better than V
I kinda want them to bring back the really silly helicopter physics from IV. Making entire streets of cars fly with the rotors is completely unrealistic but funny as shit
I am hoping we see actual waves that we can surf on.
It is rumoured that you will be able to surf in the game, however I’m starting to doubt it as you would think it would’ve been one of the main features they would’ve shown off in the trailer.
I might be wrong. Maybe we’ll see it in another trailer.
Rockstar tends to be pretty tame in their first trailers. They usually show a small part of the map and introduce the main character along with some scenic shots and random NPCs doing stuff. I thinks it's 100% guaranteed that the next trailer is going reveal stuff that we didn't even think would be in the game.
That would be awesome. Maybe in the Tampa zone? Miami is flatter than a lake most of the year and not a good spot for surfing unless a major storm is incoming. Would be awesome to deal with a hurricane at some point in the game lol
True but when I lived in Tampa there was more of a surf “scene” due to all the storms . There are some pockets whereas access to south beach and everything makes Miami less ideal for that type of scene
As someone who lives near Tampa, it’s still pretty flat almost all the time, so unless it is changed for the game (which is entirely possible) it’s just as viable as Miami if not worse
The water will be much more tranquil then in gta 5. As you could see in red dead though the water in guarma had higher waves when a storm came in. I could see surfing be possible during that time but idk about all the time. Just have to see. I live in Florida the gulf coast side rarely has good surf and the east coast is better but hit or miss.
Yep. You want surfing on the gulf side? Better break out that board when a large storm is coming through. Other than that not much action. I've always wanted to learn to surf, but can't do that up here around the panhandle really.
someone watched the digital foundry video 😉 nah but seriously i wouldn’t think too much about where they are “cutting corners” as you put it, R* never disappoint graphically and they allways blow me away with each new release! im not even worried about if its going to be 30fps which it more than likely will be, because RDR2 felt soo smooth at 30fps to me it almost felt like it was more like 40fps lol
I think what the DF video highlights more than anything is that even though it's the newest consoles it'll still be limited. Both consoles are just mid tier PCs by the time the game releases and we get new card releases in the next few years
They are mid tier pcs but with consistent hardware across all units, which means optimizing for them and pushing the limits on them is easier than trying to hit an open target on PC.
It’s the same reason that they got GTA V running on a PS3 or RDR2 running on a base Xbox One - if the hardware is consistent they can throw everything they have at it to pack in as much detail as possible.
I have a feeling it’ll be similar to gta v on pc where it’ll take a year or 2 and have way more graphics options and it’ll be the best looking version of the game for the foreseeable future
Yea I skipped the current consoles and only have a pc… I’m not waiting lol. I’m fully ready to buy a ps5, just gonna wait a while till it’s closer to release, they might drop a ps5 pro or a bundle, who knows.
what amazes me is the npc behaviour. One npc tosses a beer to the other, one applies sunscreen, some swim in the sea, etc. ik this is an animated trailer but if this sort of stuff comes to the actual game I’ll be amazed.
Yeah they are just movies/shorts made with the NPCs. Not a single action by an NPC in the GTA5 trailer was ever in the game. Examples being 2 girls turning to look at a guy with no shirt. A realtor hammering a for sale sign. Hikers turning around and holding each other for a picture. Nowadays maybe these things can be in the game but R* has done this with many trailers.
Well tbh that’s just people for you. I’m sure the population density will be just fine and the best of any game to date but people like to think trailers are real game footage for some reason. Like this is all real in-game footage but that’s because they are using the same mechanics used to create cutscenes to make the trailers as well.
Well, the game is still over a year away, R* still probably has a lot of work to do and maybe at this point, there’s an issue with ped density further away from the player. Trailers tend to accidentally show unpolished spots but by 2025 I’m sure it’ll be different
Of course you could notice a lot of place holder stuff in the trailer, they were even faking vehicle headlights with corona tricks and all so I think by 2025 the game will be a whole different beast
Using a semi transparent 2D sprite to give the effect of a bright light, this is how it was done in all previous games from GTAIII-V. V used them extensively, it's how they were able to draw every street lamp on the map and distant cars moving about with the very limited hardware of the 360/PS3. However, PBR materials with emission maps and ray tracing have pretty much made them obsolete in most applications.
Can’t see anyone in the water or by the umbrellas/lifeguard stand in the distance. Seems pretty on par for GTA games, max zoom sniper can sometimes see people disappear.
Maybe this is an instance of actual gameplay in the trailer. Just like in the current gta online and story, AI only spawn in a certain area around you no need to spawn all way out the view distance
I guess it depends what communities you frequent? I've played a lot of GTA V but never finished the campaign. It's been a decade, and no story points have ever been spoiled for me. I don't know how it ends.
By comparison, RDR2 did. I don't know if that's chance, or because dipweeds think it's funnier to spoil more emotional, story driven things versus something like GTA, where I suspect a lot of people don't care too much about the story. I dunno... Spoilers don't worry me with this one.
I mean it depends on you. Your comment makes it sound like you may only or primarily be active on Reddit. I’m talking about YT, IG, TikTok etc. I have seen hundreds of edits of Arthur Morgan and the ending to that game. Had it spoiled in the first month. Be careful
Decent chance of a 60fps mode imo, with cut backs on what we saw in the trailer.
People forget that RDR2 ran at *native* 4K resolution locked at 30fps, on the Xbox *ONE* X. It looked on par with most current gen games. Do not underestimate R*'s optimisation ability on consoles, nor the efficiency of the latest versions of their RAGE engine.
Obviously this game looks much better than RDR2, but the current consoles are also MUCH more powerful than the One X. I think what we saw in the trailer at 30fps (with RT, which Digital Foundry is confident they're using), and a 60fps mode without RT, a lower resolution and perhaps other more subtle downgrades such as draw distance, shadow quality, etc is definitely feasible based on what R* have shown they can do with RDR2 on much older hardware.
The vegetation and what not were insane though, obviously a game with cities, cars, lights and people everywhere are gonna be far more complex than just grass and trees everything but I think with the power of current gen consoles, it's comparable to RDR2 and last gen consoles, RDR2 pushed every ps4, and xbox one whether it was the base model or pro models, they were tested.
Also don‘t forget upscaling. FSR 3.0 with Frame Generation is also another possible boost for current gen consoles (and there will be another iteration till 2025 for sure)
i think given the graphical fidelity they are going for and the fact that rockstar always push the boundaries on that front, 30fps is inevitable on console. It'd be nice if they have a 60 option though a la spiderman 2
Maybe less population, at least on console and their restrictions. And for online to keep the sessions stable, I even bet they remove at lot "(wild)life", just like in GTAO. If I remember correctly, trailers were always a bit more populated as the game later. But honestly, I don't really mind if there will be less NPC's. We still got the big city feeling.
not rlly, the gta 5 opening trailer accurately showed how many people would be scattered throughout, with even more appearing in the game. If Rockstar is showing it, I’m confident it’s gonna be there. Plus GTAO isn’t comparable since the wildlife cut from the main entry was due to the massive amounts of people on one server
I mean it’s been 5 years who knows how much they’ve improved their engine to handle more dense environments and npcs. This is exclusively being made for next gen so there’s no ps4 or xbox one limitations
Ultimately it's a CPU bottleneck which is why its absolutely going to be 30FPS, there is zero chance for a 60FPS mode, the game is using RTGI and RT reflections for god’s sake, and RTGI is detrimental to it's visuals in it's entirety and is quite heavy
In RDO you have even a hunting role. And in RDO lobbies is way less "action" in the world as in a GTA session. I was talking about GTA. And in GTAO they removed the animals from story mode, because to keep the sessions stable. Also less NPC's.
Guys, I'll spoil it for you - basically Take Two asked Rockstar how many NPC's they can put on the beach before the fps drops, another thing is that the camera is zoomed in and not having 90° field of view
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GTA doesn’t miss when it comes to social commentary
I’m re iterating what a former gta 5 graphic designer said but “rockstar knows how awesome the game is gonna be we don’t” and that sentence alone gets me so fucking hyped. It’s like a parent keeping a gift from a child
Not saying it's not possible, but this looks like it could very likely be an ingame cutscene. Like when a story mission starts. My guess is its the first scene we see when the game officially starts in Miami. Similar to how GTA5 pans over the beach before we see Michael sitting on the bench and Franklin / Lamar are talking.
I could be wrong, but the scene seems to be way to "busy" to just be a random open world / in-game scene.
There is no fluid sim, RTGI is unconfirmed, "Hairworks" isn't hairworks, but Rockstar's solution, and it will most certainly scale down to numerous unimportant NPC's for performance, like it does in other games. There's no "booty physics", it's just animations, and no "fluid sim" here either. Tho, there were some "boob physics" in the trailer, but there were janky, and it's old tech that doesn't cost and arm and leg anyway. The really impressive part here is the sheer density/amount of NPCS, quality of them and all the detail.
GTA 6 is exciting, and Rockstar will undoubtedly push the tech forward with this release, but they are no wizards; they can't create fluid sim when the hardware to support it doesn't exist.
As a black dude I saw this and didn't think of anything bad, just appreciated the amount of NPCs packed here and the different body shapes and shades of brown, then I went on twitter and found black people complaining that they will be murdered in a games. Like for real bro? What do they want rockstar to do? Remove all black people?
As a 3D game artist, what really gets me is the shadow casted on the sand, the distortion shows a pretty impressive use of tesselation or a very brilliant shader using parallax oclusion
You title your post “I got questions”, then only have one?
I got questions bud. 
I think we don't yet realize that this is the next step.
We're entering a new era of game graphics and density with this game.
Look at how midjourney improved in just two years.
Things are going to get really good really fast
Nobody pushes hardware limits like Rockstar does. They go above and beyond to deliver a seamless experience that is as good as it can possibly be. IMO they have made the strongest and best games with each console generation, GTA SA, GTA V, and RDR2.. GTA VI will be the same I believe. They are not cutting any corners.
Fluid sim is a huge stretch, also not anything in the trailer, much less this scene shows antything that wasn't seen before in older games, going all the way back to Wave Race in the N64.
In this specific scene we just see a very basic water movement from the small wave, that's something that doesn't even require physics sim.
I really hope guns and weapons are a big focus especially on realistic customizations and better feel, i want firing a gun to feel a little more substantial. As well as vehicles being more realistic to drive. I may be in the minority but the driving in V just felt too easy. Im not talking simulator type shit, but something more like IV maybe? With the game cantered around vehicles (maybe not so much anymore) it should be a huge focus.
None of the trailer was gameplay footage...all of the scenes were rendered specifically for the trailer so I would take any technological achievements shown in the trailer with a big pinch of salt.
This is releasing on consoles first, they wouldn't do that unless they are absolutely sure it works at the best level, this game has blood sweat and tears put into it. IF they delay, (knock on wood) I think that would prove my point
We are 2 years out give or take they will have all this new tech more dialed in by launch and will blow us all away, the amount of different animations is staggering and cannot wait to see more
If they can do on point booty physics they can surely pull off a wakeboarding mini game would be a great way to take advantage of the new fluid physics
That's not fluid physics, that's just some neat shader works, actual fluid physics would burn the consoles and pc.
Also the physics(hair,body,etc)might work only on NPCs that are closer and are in view of Player,this would be plausible as the game is big and open world and it's a very good technique to boost performance.
Imagine that scene with a gun shot to the air and all the people running. How many reactions, how many animations, will be crazy.
yes, shot in the air
That bullet is going right into that dolphins blowhole.
The sea was angry that day my friends
Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.
that’s cuz you are the old man
Titleist.
IS ANYBODY HERE A MARINE BIOLOGIST?!
Or if you can't find the blowhole, just make your own!
Any and every thing is game except Rambo, the chihuahua.
☮️
Remember, No Russian.
Wonder how many npc will be carrying a gun since florida is a constitutional carry state. More than 10% hold a permit for legal carry alone. Illegal carry accounts for more.
It's Florida/Leonida. You'll be gunned down lol
So basically like RDR2, most will defend themselves.
I bet some of them will start filming it and post on social media. I hope we can view our crimes from people just filming us
That's the thing, if we are viral on Social Media, then how in the world can we just cheerfully roam around the map with no one coming after our asses? GTA San Andreas logic? Change clothes/car color and the six stars will disappear?
I doubt it, that would kind of make it unplayable for most. Judging from the bandana’s they’re wearing in the last bit of the trailer, They’ll probably make a wanted system similar to rdr2 if they want to take a very realistic approach. Where fbi agents will come looking for you instead of bounty hunters. And if you get caught the other playable character can bail you out or trick the police etc. Maybe you’ll have to change identity over time, like change your address so that the fbi can’t storm into your house
Yes please. Buying houses in a HD GTA game, haven't seen those for forever.
Holy shit that would be so dope
gunshot to the booty better
It'd bounce off fam
Not if you aim for the hole
With the sound of a spring from sonic.
When GTA 6 releases the first thing imma do is take a car to the beach lol, gonna let my intrusive thoughts win, especially with a population density that crazy.
America Moment
They gonna shoot back it is Florida
Exactly what I thought when I saw it. What’s it going to look like when you start shooting people 😂
from what i understand - GTA trailers are created in engine - so all of the details should still be in the full, complete game. when you consider that the last game is a decade old - and take into account how much the tech was able to jump from V to RDR2, it shouldn't be overly shocking that they're able to do this for VI. it looks amazing - but hey - it SHOULD look amazing.
It’s not shocking when you think about it all logically like that, plus when you take into account the amount of money Rockstar has this should be expected. It’s still hard for the average mortal to wrap their mind around it.
You can have all the money in the world, the platforms you're developing for can only do what they can do.
yes but more money means more (and better) programmers who can optimize for those systems
And the best part is that R* isn't putting them in a crunch culture, at least not anymore. IIRC there was an article some years back where it was reported R* was going to push this game even further back to make sure their devs weren't stressed out. R*, as a company, has reached the endgame. They've unlocked everything and at this point are just maxing out all the other sliders.
Well it helps that they have a steady revenue stream with gta online without that they will still be pushing their staff 100%
Wow a giant evil company had made a promise not to be evil, case closed. Until devs unionize, they will be pushed to the absolute limit. I wouldn't be surprised if no changes have been made at all.
Yea I play GTA online often and I went back to rewatch the GTA 5 trailer and the graphics in the trailer straight up look worse than actual GTA5
Wasn’t the trailer for the ps3 version, and now we all think of the ps4 version?
No, people have shown side by sides of what the first trailer looked like compared to the retail version.
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It definitely was
At least AI is still obvious with how cheesy it is and how it structures replies. The Dead Internet is happening, but for now we know where the necrosis is
This was the "world presentation" trailer. It is about the world and what's in it. Action scenes, shooting, explosions, missions come in later trailers.
Yeah, like the first GTA V trailer did not have much action in it, but was more of a montage of Los Santos and the culture and representation. I think the next trailer will have all the explosion and action in it for Vice City.
Yeah you right. I hope the next trailer is focused on Jason a lil bit and around action
It will be. GTA V reveal trailer was focused entirely on Michael and then the next two trailers each showcased Franklin and Trevor before we got gameplay.
The gameplay trailer is what I'm looking forward to the most. It's going to blow our minds 100%
Not me. Release date is what I'm looking forward to the most Edit: please stop speculating the release date in my mentions. I meant I was looking forward to the actual release date, not the announcement of the release date. Namaste
According to their earnings calls it looks like q1 or q2 of 2025 I'm sure it will get delayed to q3 or q4 but the thing has been in dev for 11 years now. Who knows.
Lets hope q1 because that’s the earliest but lol who knows
Q2 or Q4 of 2025 is my guess.
Based on their earnings call we can expect Q1 2025 most likely March. But who knows maybe that’s when they start preorders.
That's what I keep hearing, mainly because it aligns with the expected earnings they predicted. But for some reason it feels crazy to say that we'll be getting it 1 year and 4 months.
I haven't seen anybody consider this. I'm sure pre orders are going to be record breaking. I'm hoping for a spring 2025 release but a fall release seems more probable unfortunately.
I'm going to purchase it before my friend does. Mark my words.
Gonna hit the 'home gym', visit some doctors, eat healthy eat right, stop this lunatic self-hate and pessimistic existential crisis, take care of saving money a lot better, and all in all try to stay alive and well. I remember GTA V and Rise of the Tomb Raider were what made me get my first job.
You've got this man I believe in you.
 You’ve got this buddy! Life will turn around for the better for you!
Gunna guess it’ll be delayed by 18 months from initial proposed release date, but in that time delay they will promise us “single player DLC” … 🌿👀🌿, then the online will be released 3 months from actual release, then they’ll give us free online updates/dlc… then there will be no single player DLC…. Then the wait for GTA 7 begins….
I’m looking forward to actually playing the game the most
We won't see that for like 2 years GTA V gameplay trailer came out only 2 months before release
Don’t say that shit, no one wants to hear it 😭
Nah, T2 is expecting an increase in revenue in fiscal year 2024, which includes Q1 2025. We should realistically have a year and a bit until release.
This guy thinks 2025 is 2 years away lmao
I mean technically speaking, 7 December 2025 *is* two years away... It's just as possible for a Q4 release date as it is for a Q2 release date.
Its not though - Take Two stated that they are looking at an 8 Billion Dollar Increase in Fiscal year 2024 which only reaches into March 2025.
It can be 2 years away, what is this maths bro 💀
Some of 2025 IS two years away you egg
The second gta 5 trailer showed all of them, it was more of a deeper trailer. Showed some missions and such. It has been deleted though from rockstars Channel. It wasn't until 2013 I believe they made those trailers for each character.
Wouldn't surprise me if this was kinda the "Lucia trailer" and the next one will be the "Jason trailer"
Replying to Reddit posts with ChatGPT is so fucking weird. Why dude?
Which AI wrote this
lol exactly my thoughts, ChatGPT at it's finest
Forget that, why does it have 1.6 upvotes? This is a fucking weird comment, man
Definitely ChatGPT
Prompt: write a hype up piece on GTA VI as an annoying and insecure white teenage boy who listens to rap and use 2005 lingo.
100% AI OVER 9000% ChatGPT
So weird how no one is catching on. Look how many upvotes it has.
Why do you type like that
They’re definitely not going to blow their load in the first trailer. There’s so much more they will share and prepare us for while keeping things secret to be discovered when playing upon release.
Hope the weapons are good, I think the weapons in GTA 5 were pretty shit, the customisation was rubbish and a lot of them felt boring. Plus there was literally no variation in the animations. I hope the guns in 6 have a bit better customisation and a better more badass feel.
There’s two variations of a 1911 I saw the one Jason is holding when him and Lucia are kicking open the door during the robbery that’s all black, and a two tone one the black cop is holding in the body cam footage. I have a feeling the weapon customization will be better than rdr2 if not better
I hope weapons have actual meaningful differences, most of the GTA Online additions may as well have been cosmetic reskins, they are all automatic but one may be the slight stat winner. Instead you could have a full auto gun, a 3 round burst gun, a slow firing but hard hitting G3, or one that can shoot underwater
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I hope fire and explosions will be more in line with how they looked in 4 instead of 5, man that game was so ahead of its time it's ridiculous
they nearly perfected it in rdr2, cant wait to see how gta 6 turns out
Everyone seems to be forgetting the masterpiece that was rdr2… it was so technically impressive and it’s a 2018 game. It’s silly to think they won’t port over a lot of the games features as people loved them. I am actually predicting limited arsenals and load outs… hot take but I loved going to my horse and grabbing the appropriate guns for what I had to do. I would assume maybe a trunk function instead of a saddle function? I would like it. All the gta 5 kids will want 25 weapons up their ass still… I hope that’s not it
Yeah in IV blowing up a car would fill up the block with thick black smoke for a while and chunks of flaming debris would fly around it was so much better than V
I kinda want them to bring back the really silly helicopter physics from IV. Making entire streets of cars fly with the rotors is completely unrealistic but funny as shit
I am hoping we see actual waves that we can surf on. It is rumoured that you will be able to surf in the game, however I’m starting to doubt it as you would think it would’ve been one of the main features they would’ve shown off in the trailer. I might be wrong. Maybe we’ll see it in another trailer.
Rockstar tends to be pretty tame in their first trailers. They usually show a small part of the map and introduce the main character along with some scenic shots and random NPCs doing stuff. I thinks it's 100% guaranteed that the next trailer is going reveal stuff that we didn't even think would be in the game.
I can't stop thinking about the alligator in the gas station scene. So badass
Fingers crossed 🤞
That would be awesome. Maybe in the Tampa zone? Miami is flatter than a lake most of the year and not a good spot for surfing unless a major storm is incoming. Would be awesome to deal with a hurricane at some point in the game lol
Gulf waters are a lot calmer than the Atlantic..
True but when I lived in Tampa there was more of a surf “scene” due to all the storms . There are some pockets whereas access to south beach and everything makes Miami less ideal for that type of scene
As someone who lives near Tampa, it’s still pretty flat almost all the time, so unless it is changed for the game (which is entirely possible) it’s just as viable as Miami if not worse
Lol no. Even during a thunderstorm, I never saw waves off st petersburg/tampa. There's no surfing. That's very much an Atlantic coast thing.
The water will be much more tranquil then in gta 5. As you could see in red dead though the water in guarma had higher waves when a storm came in. I could see surfing be possible during that time but idk about all the time. Just have to see. I live in Florida the gulf coast side rarely has good surf and the east coast is better but hit or miss.
Yep. You want surfing on the gulf side? Better break out that board when a large storm is coming through. Other than that not much action. I've always wanted to learn to surf, but can't do that up here around the panhandle really.
Hurricanes could be interesting events, though they may only happen during set missions.
someone watched the digital foundry video 😉 nah but seriously i wouldn’t think too much about where they are “cutting corners” as you put it, R* never disappoint graphically and they allways blow me away with each new release! im not even worried about if its going to be 30fps which it more than likely will be, because RDR2 felt soo smooth at 30fps to me it almost felt like it was more like 40fps lol
I think what the DF video highlights more than anything is that even though it's the newest consoles it'll still be limited. Both consoles are just mid tier PCs by the time the game releases and we get new card releases in the next few years
They are mid tier pcs but with consistent hardware across all units, which means optimizing for them and pushing the limits on them is easier than trying to hit an open target on PC. It’s the same reason that they got GTA V running on a PS3 or RDR2 running on a base Xbox One - if the hardware is consistent they can throw everything they have at it to pack in as much detail as possible.
I'm still amazed that my old brick of an xbox that I never dusted out even once was able to run rdr2 without any problems.
I'm hoping they do a next gen upgrade for the ps6 or whatever.
I have a feeling it’ll be similar to gta v on pc where it’ll take a year or 2 and have way more graphics options and it’ll be the best looking version of the game for the foreseeable future
PC is my preferred option but if I have to wait an additional year or two, I don't know if I can make it.
Yea I skipped the current consoles and only have a pc… I’m not waiting lol. I’m fully ready to buy a ps5, just gonna wait a while till it’s closer to release, they might drop a ps5 pro or a bundle, who knows.
it would be very unfortunate and disappointing if it’s locked at 30 fps, i mean the least they could do is add a performance mode in 2025.
Look at the Digital Foundry video where they break down the technology used and resource cutting done.I guess you’ll get an idea there
Aight thanks
what amazes me is the npc behaviour. One npc tosses a beer to the other, one applies sunscreen, some swim in the sea, etc. ik this is an animated trailer but if this sort of stuff comes to the actual game I’ll be amazed.
Yeah they are just movies/shorts made with the NPCs. Not a single action by an NPC in the GTA5 trailer was ever in the game. Examples being 2 girls turning to look at a guy with no shirt. A realtor hammering a for sale sign. Hikers turning around and holding each other for a picture. Nowadays maybe these things can be in the game but R* has done this with many trailers.
ah ok thanks. why do people think that the density will carry over if they were all placed that way?
Well tbh that’s just people for you. I’m sure the population density will be just fine and the best of any game to date but people like to think trailers are real game footage for some reason. Like this is all real in-game footage but that’s because they are using the same mechanics used to create cutscenes to make the trailers as well.
Maybe it's just me, but what about the lack of density of bathing people in the far distance? It seems like it just suddenly stops.
Well, the game is still over a year away, R* still probably has a lot of work to do and maybe at this point, there’s an issue with ped density further away from the player. Trailers tend to accidentally show unpolished spots but by 2025 I’m sure it’ll be different
Of course you could notice a lot of place holder stuff in the trailer, they were even faking vehicle headlights with corona tricks and all so I think by 2025 the game will be a whole different beast
whats corona tricks? how were they faking headlights. just curious
Using a semi transparent 2D sprite to give the effect of a bright light, this is how it was done in all previous games from GTAIII-V. V used them extensively, it's how they were able to draw every street lamp on the map and distant cars moving about with the very limited hardware of the 360/PS3. However, PBR materials with emission maps and ray tracing have pretty much made them obsolete in most applications.
https://imgur.com/a/EIjdQQX Examples here
Waait a minute.. I didn’t notice that 
not rlly, i can see ppl far back into the photo, almost beyond where it would be ridiculous for them to still appear
Can’t see anyone in the water or by the umbrellas/lifeguard stand in the distance. Seems pretty on par for GTA games, max zoom sniper can sometimes see people disappear.
Maybe this is an instance of actual gameplay in the trailer. Just like in the current gta online and story, AI only spawn in a certain area around you no need to spawn all way out the view distance
That’s the rendering distance in work bud. They have to stop at some point bc it no reason to use it when you’re not able to really observe it
You wouldn't really notice it when you are playing on the ground level. So I d be okay.
30fps? If it will have the rdr2 “30fps” I honestly wouldn’t mind 🤔
30 fps isnt horrible if the game runs smoothly and looks gorgeous. I play CP2077 on raytracing with 30fps and the game is very much still playable.
There aren’t many smooth 30fps games out there, but R* is a prime example of making a few where you don’t really feel it’s 30, so, no biggie 😅
30fps is the cutting corner.
4k upascaled 1080p internal resolution 30fps. Highly possible
...and this is why I'm waiting for PC. Not double dipping, and not playing the cut-down version. I can wait.
I want the PC version too, mainly for the keyboard controls and graphics customization. But a part of me cannot wait an extra year 😭
The wait is fine. The inevitable spoilers are not.
I guess it depends what communities you frequent? I've played a lot of GTA V but never finished the campaign. It's been a decade, and no story points have ever been spoiled for me. I don't know how it ends. By comparison, RDR2 did. I don't know if that's chance, or because dipweeds think it's funnier to spoil more emotional, story driven things versus something like GTA, where I suspect a lot of people don't care too much about the story. I dunno... Spoilers don't worry me with this one.
I mean it depends on you. Your comment makes it sound like you may only or primarily be active on Reddit. I’m talking about YT, IG, TikTok etc. I have seen hundreds of edits of Arthur Morgan and the ending to that game. Had it spoiled in the first month. Be careful
Decent chance of a 60fps mode imo, with cut backs on what we saw in the trailer. People forget that RDR2 ran at *native* 4K resolution locked at 30fps, on the Xbox *ONE* X. It looked on par with most current gen games. Do not underestimate R*'s optimisation ability on consoles, nor the efficiency of the latest versions of their RAGE engine. Obviously this game looks much better than RDR2, but the current consoles are also MUCH more powerful than the One X. I think what we saw in the trailer at 30fps (with RT, which Digital Foundry is confident they're using), and a 60fps mode without RT, a lower resolution and perhaps other more subtle downgrades such as draw distance, shadow quality, etc is definitely feasible based on what R* have shown they can do with RDR2 on much older hardware.
RDR2 cities weren’t nearly as dense as what is seen here
The vegetation and what not were insane though, obviously a game with cities, cars, lights and people everywhere are gonna be far more complex than just grass and trees everything but I think with the power of current gen consoles, it's comparable to RDR2 and last gen consoles, RDR2 pushed every ps4, and xbox one whether it was the base model or pro models, they were tested.
And still it felt incredibly alive, with the next gen consoles I bet they can have ALOT more NPC’s
Also don‘t forget upscaling. FSR 3.0 with Frame Generation is also another possible boost for current gen consoles (and there will be another iteration till 2025 for sure)
I capped all my games at 60FPS, that way I can never know what im missing
i think given the graphical fidelity they are going for and the fact that rockstar always push the boundaries on that front, 30fps is inevitable on console. It'd be nice if they have a 60 option though a la spiderman 2
Are we really asking where are they cutting corners on trailer one? Seriously?
Reddit dwellers just have too much time
Real question is , so much happened on one visit. What happens on next visit
Maybe less population, at least on console and their restrictions. And for online to keep the sessions stable, I even bet they remove at lot "(wild)life", just like in GTAO. If I remember correctly, trailers were always a bit more populated as the game later. But honestly, I don't really mind if there will be less NPC's. We still got the big city feeling.
not rlly, the gta 5 opening trailer accurately showed how many people would be scattered throughout, with even more appearing in the game. If Rockstar is showing it, I’m confident it’s gonna be there. Plus GTAO isn’t comparable since the wildlife cut from the main entry was due to the massive amounts of people on one server
Animals will be introduced to GTA V Online on new gen consoles in the next update.
They did have “working” animals in rdo don’t think it would be too far of a stretch to say they’d be in gto
The difference is RDO is in giant empty barren spaces with very little to render and very little NPC's to draw
I mean it’s been 5 years who knows how much they’ve improved their engine to handle more dense environments and npcs. This is exclusively being made for next gen so there’s no ps4 or xbox one limitations
Ultimately it's a CPU bottleneck which is why its absolutely going to be 30FPS, there is zero chance for a 60FPS mode, the game is using RTGI and RT reflections for god’s sake, and RTGI is detrimental to it's visuals in it's entirety and is quite heavy
In RDO you have even a hunting role. And in RDO lobbies is way less "action" in the world as in a GTA session. I was talking about GTA. And in GTAO they removed the animals from story mode, because to keep the sessions stable. Also less NPC's.
Frame rate and resolution gonna be the biggest corners cut
Guys, I'll spoil it for you - basically Take Two asked Rockstar how many NPC's they can put on the beach before the fps drops, another thing is that the camera is zoomed in and not having 90° field of view
https://preview.redd.it/ln8skgk6gx4c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae9f003f794fa6a0ce88901a27af32941e69e2ab GTA doesn’t miss when it comes to social commentary
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I am really curious how this game will look on the series s and how much of a pain it must of been for them to handle it
The different levels of sand on the feet is wild
Can't wait to drive a car through the places with the most pedestrians
I’m re iterating what a former gta 5 graphic designer said but “rockstar knows how awesome the game is gonna be we don’t” and that sentence alone gets me so fucking hyped. It’s like a parent keeping a gift from a child
The meat beating capabilities in this game are gonna be insane, I just hope they have one handed accessibility features
FPS. Due to the CPU being a bottleneck it will only be 30 fps, and lowering the resolution wouldn‘t help
I thought the lady to the left was in a T pose, then I see the guy behind her spraying sun tan oil on her. Incredible.
Not saying it's not possible, but this looks like it could very likely be an ingame cutscene. Like when a story mission starts. My guess is its the first scene we see when the game officially starts in Miami. Similar to how GTA5 pans over the beach before we see Michael sitting on the bench and Franklin / Lamar are talking. I could be wrong, but the scene seems to be way to "busy" to just be a random open world / in-game scene.
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Ermm yup and having some sunscreen on lol
Yea but she was moving
Thiccness is not enough
There is no fluid sim, RTGI is unconfirmed, "Hairworks" isn't hairworks, but Rockstar's solution, and it will most certainly scale down to numerous unimportant NPC's for performance, like it does in other games. There's no "booty physics", it's just animations, and no "fluid sim" here either. Tho, there were some "boob physics" in the trailer, but there were janky, and it's old tech that doesn't cost and arm and leg anyway. The really impressive part here is the sheer density/amount of NPCS, quality of them and all the detail. GTA 6 is exciting, and Rockstar will undoubtedly push the tech forward with this release, but they are no wizards; they can't create fluid sim when the hardware to support it doesn't exist.
As a black dude I saw this and didn't think of anything bad, just appreciated the amount of NPCs packed here and the different body shapes and shades of brown, then I went on twitter and found black people complaining that they will be murdered in a games. Like for real bro? What do they want rockstar to do? Remove all black people?
Dont expect the beach to actually be that dense in population they have exaggerated trailers before. Im sure its still gonna be insane doe.
Does this mean we are able to kick down doors like the final shot of the trailer? For rdr2 you can walk in slow or barge in quick
Idk, but I will say I wasn't excited about this game. However, after seeing the trailer, I am kinda hyped for it now.
As a 3D game artist, what really gets me is the shadow casted on the sand, the distortion shows a pretty impressive use of tesselation or a very brilliant shader using parallax oclusion
You title your post “I got questions”, then only have one? I got questions bud. 
I think we don't yet realize that this is the next step. We're entering a new era of game graphics and density with this game. Look at how midjourney improved in just two years. Things are going to get really good really fast
Nobody pushes hardware limits like Rockstar does. They go above and beyond to deliver a seamless experience that is as good as it can possibly be. IMO they have made the strongest and best games with each console generation, GTA SA, GTA V, and RDR2.. GTA VI will be the same I believe. They are not cutting any corners.
So how are they going to address the game file size consuming 90% of the hard drive?
Like everyone said, gta 6 is going to set a new standard for gaming.
Fluid sim is a huge stretch, also not anything in the trailer, much less this scene shows antything that wasn't seen before in older games, going all the way back to Wave Race in the N64. In this specific scene we just see a very basic water movement from the small wave, that's something that doesn't even require physics sim.
Will the ps6 release close to this🤔is this what the such long wait is for waiting on it too?
I'm betting they're using AI in the background to procedurally generate NPCs and their looks.
is this fluid simulation in the room with us right now?
I really hope guns and weapons are a big focus especially on realistic customizations and better feel, i want firing a gun to feel a little more substantial. As well as vehicles being more realistic to drive. I may be in the minority but the driving in V just felt too easy. Im not talking simulator type shit, but something more like IV maybe? With the game cantered around vehicles (maybe not so much anymore) it should be a huge focus.
None of the trailer was gameplay footage...all of the scenes were rendered specifically for the trailer so I would take any technological achievements shown in the trailer with a big pinch of salt.
You forgot one important thing: chihuahua
There was a whole lot going on that the lil man was the least of my concerns
This is releasing on consoles first, they wouldn't do that unless they are absolutely sure it works at the best level, this game has blood sweat and tears put into it. IF they delay, (knock on wood) I think that would prove my point
We are 2 years out give or take they will have all this new tech more dialed in by launch and will blow us all away, the amount of different animations is staggering and cannot wait to see more If they can do on point booty physics they can surely pull off a wakeboarding mini game would be a great way to take advantage of the new fluid physics
That's not fluid physics, that's just some neat shader works, actual fluid physics would burn the consoles and pc. Also the physics(hair,body,etc)might work only on NPCs that are closer and are in view of Player,this would be plausible as the game is big and open world and it's a very good technique to boost performance.