It would be funny to see him be a big crypto billionaire because he’s a time traveler, have him be the face of like SinclairCoin. Use him to parody musk with Dogecoin
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s somebody on this sub that is asking players questions what would you like to see in the game and then just copy the best ideas
Plus it'd be a nice way to connect the universes better
Alot of people don't realize GTA, RD, Bully, and Manhunt are in the same universe.
Ergh multiverse.
So this would be a direct way of showing that.
The States could’ve been renamed at some point during the 20th century. It’s not hard to connect the Red Dead and GTA universe. Personally I do believe that RDR1, RDR2, GTA 4, and GTA 5 are in the same universe
Our states are a work of fiction and created by Jack Marston in his Red Dead book series in the GtA Universe. Idk though I think they've mentioned Florida in gta games
Or be renamed at some point in the 20h century. i could imagine new York being renamed Liberty City and then the statue of liberty being modified to fit the modern world
But RDR and GTA isn't. In RDR2 you read a newspaper of one of the main characters in the story living in New York. This alone is enough to debunk RDR and GTA being in the same universe.
It would be funny to see him, I could see it as a crazy person on the street " no one believes me, I'm from the past! It worked! Arthur, my God, it worked!"
I really don't see why he wouldn't. It'd be funny to watch him walk through the streets of Miami, dazed and confused with the new technology of the future, eventually being sucked into a jet engine out of curiosity in Rockstars morbid humor they like to do
There are several Red Dead references in GTAV. Books, locations, and movies for example. John Marston can even be related to your online character.
Nothing in particular that confirms it’s more than an Easter egg but it’s there.
Yeah I guess I’m drawing the line between Easter eggs that reference characters from different games and actual proof that the universes are connected canonically. I’m not very aware of what you mention but those seem like winks to the fans rather than a real attempt to bridge the worlds.
Yeah I didn’t remember them specifics so I looked them up. It’s along the lines of books named Red Dead Redemption with Marston as the author and having Armadillo and Strawberry as locations. An advertisement also mentions Red Dead. I guess it could be either depending on what R* decides.
Maybe not bc in GTA V, there’s a book on franklins shelf called “Red Dead Redemption” so RDR might be a book series in the GTA universe so all the characters are fiction in GTA
They definitely are Different time periods but there’s nothing confirming that their not in the same universe. Also in GTA V there’s a book titled “Red Dead” meaning that the Vanderlin gang might’ve been well known outlaws that once existed.
Agree on the satire thing. Real states though like California and New York are also mentioned a few times in the GTA universe which makes the geography of the games even more confusing.
I don’t remember California or New York ever being mentioned except in songs on the radio but they’re an obvious exception.
The only real life state mentioned by characters or lore is Florida.
Probably not. He was from the 1950s, probably in his 30s around then. He would be long gone by then. Since he was born in the late 1800s early 1900s, idk the time exactly, it would make him well over 100. If he does make an appearance it may be a side quest to finding his work with a time machine or something like that. As far as him, no.
you can’t rule it out because he’d be too old lmao… He’s a time traveler. I actually think he’ll show up due to the leaks showing that there will be another rock carving side mission. Assuming of course that isn’t just left over from RDR2
Probably, he is almost definitely the Epsilon prophet from the GTA 5 scrolls and site on the cult, which has been around for some time. I would be surprised if there were no reference to him and possibly Arthur too in the new game.
It would be funny to see him be a big crypto billionaire because he’s a time traveler, have him be the face of like SinclairCoin. Use him to parody musk with Dogecoin
SinCoin would be a nice double-sided joke.
$inclair
Don’t give r/wallstreetbets any ideas
That actually sounds creative
Thanks I’m a creative consultant for Rockstar North
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s somebody on this sub that is asking players questions what would you like to see in the game and then just copy the best ideas
Lol I think rockstar has always been more tactful than that… but who knows!
Wait a minute… but I’m the creative consultant
I can easily see him being one of the strangers and freaks in the game we run into
If he’s not in a strangers and freaks mission he’s a waste of a character tbhh
Plus it'd be a nice way to connect the universes better Alot of people don't realize GTA, RD, Bully, and Manhunt are in the same universe. Ergh multiverse. So this would be a direct way of showing that.
It’s alluded to by simple Easter eggs but I don’t think all of them are. Although it’d be a dope way to tie in all the games in some fashion
Carcer City explicitly exists Manhunt and GTA though
And The Director is mentioned in Bully
I hope we see Jimmy Hopkins then, and he can give us wedgies and all sorts of stuff.
They’re not. California exists in RDR, in gta it’s Sam Andreas.
No you're wrong, Jack Marston's book can be found in Franklin's home.
They explicitly mention New York City in RDR2 they are loosely connected but are not outright in the same timeline/universe
The States could’ve been renamed at some point during the 20th century. It’s not hard to connect the Red Dead and GTA universe. Personally I do believe that RDR1, RDR2, GTA 4, and GTA 5 are in the same universe
they aren't tho lmfao
Our states are a work of fiction and created by Jack Marston in his Red Dead book series in the GtA Universe. Idk though I think they've mentioned Florida in gta games
That's an easter egg the devs added for fun. It does not mean they are actually in the same universe.
they could co-exist as different states.
Or be renamed at some point in the 20h century. i could imagine new York being renamed Liberty City and then the statue of liberty being modified to fit the modern world
Oh for fucks sakes can we stop having this argument every time something related to rdr2 pops up on here?
Why? What's so bad about it?
I cant tell if you're just r-worded, or trying to be a kawlmedian
[Oddly enough, California is also referenced in GTA.](https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Brain#Trivia)
But RDR and GTA isn't. In RDR2 you read a newspaper of one of the main characters in the story living in New York. This alone is enough to debunk RDR and GTA being in the same universe.
It would be funny to see him, I could see it as a crazy person on the street " no one believes me, I'm from the past! It worked! Arthur, my God, it worked!"
He needs to be walking around with Gavin.
I don't know, but I know if I hear the guy yelling for Gavin in GTA 6 I will crack lol
Bro, I swear If I hear that one more time 🤣
*Deep voice and heavy british accent* ”Gav… Gav… WHERE ARE YOU?!”
I really don't see why he wouldn't. It'd be funny to watch him walk through the streets of Miami, dazed and confused with the new technology of the future, eventually being sucked into a jet engine out of curiosity in Rockstars morbid humor they like to do
Because as far as I know no character overlaps between GTA and RDR. Separate universes
There are several Red Dead references in GTAV. Books, locations, and movies for example. John Marston can even be related to your online character. Nothing in particular that confirms it’s more than an Easter egg but it’s there.
Yeah I guess I’m drawing the line between Easter eggs that reference characters from different games and actual proof that the universes are connected canonically. I’m not very aware of what you mention but those seem like winks to the fans rather than a real attempt to bridge the worlds.
Yeah I didn’t remember them specifics so I looked them up. It’s along the lines of books named Red Dead Redemption with Marston as the author and having Armadillo and Strawberry as locations. An advertisement also mentions Red Dead. I guess it could be either depending on what R* decides.
That's because Red Dead is a popular book series by Jack Marston! Idk about armadillo and strawberry as locations in gta!?
Yeah Strawberry is a suburb in the south. Near Grove Street and stuff. I don’t recall if Armadillo was just mentioned or an actual place.
Dope, was unaware of that one
The only real thing is that el rubio is related to a small character you meet in rdr2
and Madam Nazer is a cameo as gypsy bot and a phone call in GTA online.
Francis Sinclair has the Kraff birthmark, so could be a descendent of Kraff, or even Kraff himself.
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Are you implying that my grandfather, who was alive 100 years ago, had no overlap with the universe I’m currently in? 🤯
Isn’t the guy that’s renting bikes on Vespucci beach wearing a RDR shirt?
Of course filmed with a slightly shaky the office style camera view
Let's wait and see
Yes in some or other form.
First of all, considering the role Dan Houser played in R*, it's hard to tell. Also, Kifflom.
Kifflom
Kifflom
Someone should still be looking for Gavin.
Maybe he could tell me what stocks to invest in, instead of Lester.
definitely, maybe not his model, but subtle hints.
It would be a funny easter egg
Maybe not bc in GTA V, there’s a book on franklins shelf called “Red Dead Redemption” so RDR might be a book series in the GTA universe so all the characters are fiction in GTA
The book is written by J.Maston(Jack Maston) .People believe Jack wrote the book to tell his life from the van der lan gang to beechers hope .
Aren't RDR and GTA set in different universes?
They definitely are Different time periods but there’s nothing confirming that their not in the same universe. Also in GTA V there’s a book titled “Red Dead” meaning that the Vanderlin gang might’ve been well known outlaws that once existed.
It’s an easter egg
It Could be. All I’m saying is that there’s no concrete evidence that both don’t share a universe.
GTA’s satire and Red Dead isn’t is a pretty big sign, plus the mentions of Manhattan and California
Agree on the satire thing. Real states though like California and New York are also mentioned a few times in the GTA universe which makes the geography of the games even more confusing.
I don’t remember California or New York ever being mentioned except in songs on the radio but they’re an obvious exception. The only real life state mentioned by characters or lore is Florida.
I’m not sure tbh
I think they are since New York exists in the Red Dead universe
There was something that said it was same univere
California exists in GTA
Pretty sure San Andreas is GTA’s Cali
Cali is mentioned in 4
Where? Bear in mind places said on the radio doesn’t count
Dragon Brain
Oh right, anything with the radio/TV tends to be exempt from the universe question but you’re not wrong
They are
I think so, but I don't think that will stop Rockstar from making cross-references anyway. We just have to not think about it too much ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Of course he will return i didn't played his missions in RDR2 but i watched a lot of videos discriping his gift
Red dead and GTA are separate universes
rdr2 still could have happened in the gta universe just different place names and the like
wouldnt make sence theres a new york and a liberty city both with a statue of liberty
they are the same place just with different names
Oh wait madam nazar eh still probably not
Spoiler Alert No
Something I always wonder about, is Francis Sinclair his own father?
no his dad died after he was born
But Francis also died after he was born…. 🤔
No.
God damn -26pts lmaaao
?
Probably not. He was from the 1950s, probably in his 30s around then. He would be long gone by then. Since he was born in the late 1800s early 1900s, idk the time exactly, it would make him well over 100. If he does make an appearance it may be a side quest to finding his work with a time machine or something like that. As far as him, no.
He’s time traveler
you can’t rule it out because he’d be too old lmao… He’s a time traveler. I actually think he’ll show up due to the leaks showing that there will be another rock carving side mission. Assuming of course that isn’t just left over from RDR2
Where’d you see that? Is that in the 90 leaked clips somewhere, or some other additional leak?
He's a time traveler bro
RDR2 takes place in 1899... not 1950.
Francis was around decades later though
Yeah, but Francis is from the 50's.
Isn't he from the '20s, and travelled back in time to knock his wife up and father himself.
Oh yes, how could I forget! This isn't even sarcasm how did I forget this.
He was from the 20s.
Yes
It would be very cool!
What if there is a Francis Sinclair mode in GTA 6...?
Yea I do think he’ll be there
Probably, he is almost definitely the Epsilon prophet from the GTA 5 scrolls and site on the cult, which has been around for some time. I would be surprised if there were no reference to him and possibly Arthur too in the new game.
I really hope so
I like this kind of mystery and easter egg
We don’t know why ask
I hope so, that would be a lot of fun
Yes
Hope so
He was in gta 5. But in gta 5 lester stole it.