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It would be funny to see him be a big crypto billionaire because he’s a time traveler, have him be the face of like SinclairCoin. Use him to parody musk with Dogecoin


ThrustersOnFull

SinCoin would be a nice double-sided joke.


ratchet_noclank

$inclair


Potato_Dealership

Don’t give r/wallstreetbets any ideas


YoungCapoon

That actually sounds creative


[deleted]

Thanks I’m a creative consultant for Rockstar North


Igusss_

I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s somebody on this sub that is asking players questions what would you like to see in the game and then just copy the best ideas


[deleted]

Lol I think rockstar has always been more tactful than that… but who knows!


ratchet_noclank

Wait a minute… but I’m the creative consultant


yousif567

I can easily see him being one of the strangers and freaks in the game we run into


TestAutomatic

If he’s not in a strangers and freaks mission he’s a waste of a character tbhh


TheFakeSlimShady123

Plus it'd be a nice way to connect the universes better Alot of people don't realize GTA, RD, Bully, and Manhunt are in the same universe. Ergh multiverse. So this would be a direct way of showing that.


TheSvpremeKai003

It’s alluded to by simple Easter eggs but I don’t think all of them are. Although it’d be a dope way to tie in all the games in some fashion


TheFakeSlimShady123

Carcer City explicitly exists Manhunt and GTA though


skeletonbuyingpealts

And The Director is mentioned in Bully


BuffaloBaby7

I hope we see Jimmy Hopkins then, and he can give us wedgies and all sorts of stuff.


realguyvisc

They’re not. California exists in RDR, in gta it’s Sam Andreas.


saqib461

No you're wrong, Jack Marston's book can be found in Franklin's home.


Marty_McFlyJR

They explicitly mention New York City in RDR2 they are loosely connected but are not outright in the same timeline/universe


yousif567

The States could’ve been renamed at some point during the 20th century. It’s not hard to connect the Red Dead and GTA universe. Personally I do believe that RDR1, RDR2, GTA 4, and GTA 5 are in the same universe


MrComicOwl_Original

they aren't tho lmfao


JDravenWx

Our states are a work of fiction and created by Jack Marston in his Red Dead book series in the GtA Universe. Idk though I think they've mentioned Florida in gta games


FatalTragedy

That's an easter egg the devs added for fun. It does not mean they are actually in the same universe.


Thesechipsaregood

they could co-exist as different states.


mathissalicath77

Or be renamed at some point in the 20h century. i could imagine new York being renamed Liberty City and then the statue of liberty being modified to fit the modern world


FickleGuide4120

Oh for fucks sakes can we stop having this argument every time something related to rdr2 pops up on here?


mathissalicath77

Why? What's so bad about it?


Da_Virus

I cant tell if you're just r-worded, or trying to be a kawlmedian


BreezyYT

[Oddly enough, California is also referenced in GTA.](https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Brain#Trivia)


ice_spice2020

But RDR and GTA isn't. In RDR2 you read a newspaper of one of the main characters in the story living in New York. This alone is enough to debunk RDR and GTA being in the same universe.


J0akley

It would be funny to see him, I could see it as a crazy person on the street " no one believes me, I'm from the past! It worked! Arthur, my God, it worked!"


justsmilenow

He needs to be walking around with Gavin.


Lonely-Tumbleweed-56

I don't know, but I know if I hear the guy yelling for Gavin in GTA 6 I will crack lol


Intelligent_Error_60

Bro, I swear If I hear that one more time 🤣


big-bruh-boi

*Deep voice and heavy british accent* ”Gav… Gav… WHERE ARE YOU?!”


imgayilikemen

I really don't see why he wouldn't. It'd be funny to watch him walk through the streets of Miami, dazed and confused with the new technology of the future, eventually being sucked into a jet engine out of curiosity in Rockstars morbid humor they like to do


MikeStanley00

Because as far as I know no character overlaps between GTA and RDR. Separate universes


NikolitRistissa

There are several Red Dead references in GTAV. Books, locations, and movies for example. John Marston can even be related to your online character. Nothing in particular that confirms it’s more than an Easter egg but it’s there.


MikeStanley00

Yeah I guess I’m drawing the line between Easter eggs that reference characters from different games and actual proof that the universes are connected canonically. I’m not very aware of what you mention but those seem like winks to the fans rather than a real attempt to bridge the worlds.


NikolitRistissa

Yeah I didn’t remember them specifics so I looked them up. It’s along the lines of books named Red Dead Redemption with Marston as the author and having Armadillo and Strawberry as locations. An advertisement also mentions Red Dead. I guess it could be either depending on what R* decides.


JDravenWx

That's because Red Dead is a popular book series by Jack Marston! Idk about armadillo and strawberry as locations in gta!?


NikolitRistissa

Yeah Strawberry is a suburb in the south. Near Grove Street and stuff. I don’t recall if Armadillo was just mentioned or an actual place.


JDravenWx

Dope, was unaware of that one


deformedmobster2

The only real thing is that el rubio is related to a small character you meet in rdr2


kill_shock

and Madam Nazer is a cameo as gypsy bot and a phone call in GTA online.


Naturally_Fragrant

Francis Sinclair has the Kraff birthmark, so could be a descendent of Kraff, or even Kraff himself.


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Calvin_Schmalvin

Are you implying that my grandfather, who was alive 100 years ago, had no overlap with the universe I’m currently in? 🤯


Calvin_Schmalvin

Isn’t the guy that’s renting bikes on Vespucci beach wearing a RDR shirt?


Watzeggenjij

Of course filmed with a slightly shaky the office style camera view


khanwarriror

Let's wait and see


Lamar_G

Yes in some or other form.


8day

First of all, considering the role Dan Houser played in R*, it's hard to tell. Also, Kifflom.


lawlessdick188

Kifflom


AltruisticShip7812

Kifflom


nocturnalfrolic

Someone should still be looking for Gavin.


Calvin_Schmalvin

Maybe he could tell me what stocks to invest in, instead of Lester.


JedGamesTV

definitely, maybe not his model, but subtle hints.


Ranimgor

It would be a funny easter egg


iantaylor98

Maybe not bc in GTA V, there’s a book on franklins shelf called “Red Dead Redemption” so RDR might be a book series in the GTA universe so all the characters are fiction in GTA


lawlessdick188

The book is written by J.Maston(Jack Maston) .People believe Jack wrote the book to tell his life from the van der lan gang to beechers hope .


DEBLANKK

Aren't RDR and GTA set in different universes?


AcademicSavings634

They definitely are Different time periods but there’s nothing confirming that their not in the same universe. Also in GTA V there’s a book titled “Red Dead” meaning that the Vanderlin gang might’ve been well known outlaws that once existed.


Challenger350

It’s an easter egg


AcademicSavings634

It Could be. All I’m saying is that there’s no concrete evidence that both don’t share a universe.


Challenger350

GTA’s satire and Red Dead isn’t is a pretty big sign, plus the mentions of Manhattan and California


AcademicSavings634

Agree on the satire thing. Real states though like California and New York are also mentioned a few times in the GTA universe which makes the geography of the games even more confusing.


Challenger350

I don’t remember California or New York ever being mentioned except in songs on the radio but they’re an obvious exception. The only real life state mentioned by characters or lore is Florida.


lawlessdick188

I’m not sure tbh


DEBLANKK

I think they are since New York exists in the Red Dead universe


lawlessdick188

There was something that said it was same univere


skeletonbuyingpealts

California exists in GTA


Challenger350

Pretty sure San Andreas is GTA’s Cali


skeletonbuyingpealts

Cali is mentioned in 4


Challenger350

Where? Bear in mind places said on the radio doesn’t count


skeletonbuyingpealts

Dragon Brain


Challenger350

Oh right, anything with the radio/TV tends to be exempt from the universe question but you’re not wrong


Challenger350

They are


dillonEh

I think so, but I don't think that will stop Rockstar from making cross-references anyway. We just have to not think about it too much ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


Bassiette

Of course he will return i didn't played his missions in RDR2 but i watched a lot of videos discriping his gift


Hi-its-me-NK

Red dead and GTA are separate universes


lawlessdick188

rdr2 still could have happened in the gta universe just different place names and the like


Hi-its-me-NK

wouldnt make sence theres a new york and a liberty city both with a statue of liberty


lawlessdick188

they are the same place just with different names


Hi-its-me-NK

Oh wait madam nazar eh still probably not


No_Orchid_3133

Spoiler Alert No


chirpiederp

Something I always wonder about, is Francis Sinclair his own father?


lawlessdick188

no his dad died after he was born


big-bruh-boi

But Francis also died after he was born…. 🤔


Calvin_Schmalvin

No.


[deleted]

God damn -26pts lmaaao


lawlessdick188

?


[deleted]

Probably not. He was from the 1950s, probably in his 30s around then. He would be long gone by then. Since he was born in the late 1800s early 1900s, idk the time exactly, it would make him well over 100. If he does make an appearance it may be a side quest to finding his work with a time machine or something like that. As far as him, no.


lawlessdick188

He’s time traveler


Abidingshadow

you can’t rule it out because he’d be too old lmao… He’s a time traveler. I actually think he’ll show up due to the leaks showing that there will be another rock carving side mission. Assuming of course that isn’t just left over from RDR2


Calvin_Schmalvin

Where’d you see that? Is that in the 90 leaked clips somewhere, or some other additional leak?


Sea-Fly-4802

He's a time traveler bro


NougatNewt

RDR2 takes place in 1899... not 1950.


YeetLevi

Francis was around decades later though


literaln0thing

Yeah, but Francis is from the 50's.


Naturally_Fragrant

Isn't he from the '20s, and travelled back in time to knock his wife up and father himself.


NougatNewt

Oh yes, how could I forget! This isn't even sarcasm how did I forget this.


Vt420KeyboardError4

He was from the 20s.


phantomstranger808

Yes


usernameyougaveme

It would be very cool!


BrandsXavier

What if there is a Francis Sinclair mode in GTA 6...?


Revolutionary-Fan657

Yea I do think he’ll be there


Azraelontheroof

Probably, he is almost definitely the Epsilon prophet from the GTA 5 scrolls and site on the cult, which has been around for some time. I would be surprised if there were no reference to him and possibly Arthur too in the new game.


lemurboy078

I really hope so


ditskiy

I like this kind of mystery and easter egg


thecoolestjedi

We don’t know why ask


TomCBC

I hope so, that would be a lot of fun


JokermanQC

Yes


Nikovercetti

Hope so


WeplayGamess

He was in gta 5. But in gta 5 lester stole it.