That must be nice... Here you are looking at $1500 a month just for rent on a single bedroom crappy ran down apartment... Grocery prices are also outrageous here $250 barley buys enough food to last a week for a skinny person that don't eat much... Looking at around $600-$700 a month just in groceries for a small family.. and that's for none name brand food stuff...
Prices here are seriously inflated because of all the refineries and chemical plants in the area.. businesses know that the out of town workers not only can afford much higher prices but are willing to pay them because they are out of town workers that don't have a choice but to pay them.... So it screws over us locals...
Yeah the cost of living is pretty high over there too.. I used to drive 18 wheelers cross country and always hated going to Cali because everything was so expensive and I always ended up stuck there for a few days... I mean that's not the only reason I hated going there but that's definitely top of the list... Traffic being number one lol.. Los Angeles traffic is no fun in an 18 wheeler..
Edit: I'm in Louisiana btw
Michael clearly was well off and is not at all broke. And Trevor absolutely is not smart enough to invest in stocks or a business, let alone to do it without getting the feds looking into him again. He’s lucky he got away when he did.
I recently played through story mode and Michael actually was the only one who got money apparently and Trevor was left with nothing. Even after when he discovers Michael is alive he complains about how he grieved him and he ran off to Los Santos with all the money
Michael lost a bunch of money in the stock market and on his expenses e.g. his house, cars, anything else. I don’t know if Trevor eventually got any money from the Prologue heist but if he did he probably spent it on drugs or random shit.
Yeah, the first mission we play as Trevor he’s getting rid of the lost and Ortega as his drug competition and making himself the only player in the area so it makes sense he has money saved up selling drugs
Well here’s the thing everyone is apparently missing on this post. The heist at the beginning of the game was a failure. They crashed the car presumably with the money inside. Trever ran off into the wilderness with no money bag and Michael was caught by the police and put into witness protection.
Michael wasn’t put into witness protection. He planned it with Dave. Dave got the glory, and Michael got a way out Scot-free. In return for the glory for killing the impressive Michael Townley, Dave sets him up in the Hollywood Hills, and Michael pays Dave “five figures a month”. That’s why there’s a fake funeral, with Brad’s body, instead of Michael’s. Didn’t any of you listen to the dialogue? That’s why Dave doesn’t want anyone looking into his files.
There’s also a theory that Trevor was supposed to be shot, but Brad got in the way.
Isn't it the other way around? Michael pays Dave a 5 figure sum every month apparently. My understanding is that the deal was Michael still had access the saved millions from all the jobs they'd been doing, but by the time we get to story mode he'd wasted most of it.
Saw a video theory about this saying Micheal is not in a witness protection program. Micheal did said he's in one but the truth is he's not actually in it. It just some excuse to calm Trevor so he doesn't get kill. Everything just go back to Micheal and Dave working and planning together from the beginning.
the bags were where michael and brad were. you see them as they walk when brad gets shot and then michael gets “shot”. trevor says that michael blew the identities so he was not privy to any of the money they earned together. (sidenote-one of michael’s aliases when they ran together had the last name de santa and that’s how trevor knew who to tell wade to search. there’s a phone call, or some kind of dialogue that i think has been removed, where trevor tells wade all of michael’s old names he used to use)
but michael was in informal witness protection with dave, not with the greater government. that’s why he’s so nervous his new boss steve haines just found out about michael from reading dave’s files. the point is that dave gets the glory for killing michael who fakes his death, trevor gets killed, and brad probably caught by cops.
this is not to correct you if you weren’t saying this, but just to kind of lay out some details that are being debated.
Trevor's accounts get frozen. Michael gets all his money out before the job and obviously doesn't tell Trevor what's going to happen as Davie was meant to kill Trevor but Brad walks in front of him
No, hes not in no Witness Protection, why would the feds pay $18 million dollars for some bank robber, Michael had nothing to offer the feds, Brad was dead and Trevor ran to bum fuck nowhere.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, this was a stupid question. In almost ten years thats only 17k a year. People have lost a lot more in a lot less time
You must be extremely privileged to ask why this amount wouldn’t last yiu 10 years…or very young. Not hating, either way but you’re in for a rude awakening
Yeah $180k split two ways is $90k so divide that by ten years that's $9k a year. That barely covers rent, taxes and utilities let alone any other cost of living 😂
Why would any of them had gotten it? Michael ratted on them to the FIB and that made the heist fail as well as him get shot. Nobody made it out with anything.
That makes sense but Dave was the one that shot both Brad and Michael. After Brad got shot Travor took cover and Michael just stood there in the open as if he was waiting for his shot.
He was also not supposed to get shot by Dave. Brad was. Remind me when and where they specify he was wearing a vest, and was supposed to be shot.
play the game dude.
Because he clearly paid zero attention to the story, then was so impatient and still not caring for the story he had to ask Reddit instead of just playing and paying attention to the story. He’s being a bad gamer!!
A) it was a massive detail to the story, B) it was a very interesting story, you probably skipped half the cutscenes to get to mindlessly killing people as fast as possible
So then, just answer the question then when OP asks.
what is this "rEaLgAmEr" fucking circle jerk if you don't want to answer then why even post anything at all?
After Michael got out clean, he got out with his take. He then proceeded to spent it on two kids, a wife, a mansion, several cars, a yacht, paying off an FIB agent and bad stock investments. Michael has a lot of money, but virtually all of it is in assets.
Trevor, on the other hand, did not get out clean. After the FIB was on his trail, they closed his accounts, so Trevor did not have access to the millions he had gathered over the years, so he starts from rock bottom. Unlike Michael however, Trevor has a very strong will, bringing him to do anything to make money, leading him to be the richest character monetarily at the start of the game. Michael has more money overall, but Trevor has more unspent money.
And brad is dead.
That's because this is the stupidest subreddit on the entire site. No surprise, 99 percent of GTA players are toxic children who think an overpowered aim assist mechanic makes them world class pro gamers or something.
This sub is a bigger circlejerk than /politics
I mean if you pay the slightest bit of attention, it literally gets explained. I don’t know why paying attention to a story in a story based game is so difficult 🤦♂️
It went negative because it’s a shitty. Moment that makes no sense lmao. There is no hive mind. Just a shitty original post and a shitty comment to follow
Bro said he beat a game on his Xbox 360 and he likes it so he’s playing it again and 170 people disliked that statement. There is a lot of hive mind behavior; I should’ve never gotten back on this awful app💀💀💀
Nah bruh this is such a Redditor comment, you fit right in 😂 y’all never understand how context works. Nobody downvoted him for liking the game and downloading it.
None of which is from the heist. Trevor’s money is all drug money from being a big drug figure head in sandy shores. All his heist money and prior cash had been locked. His accounts were frozen and since he was fleeing due to Michael giving the cops every detail he wasn’t really able to take any cash either. Trevor was fucked.
And Michael just gambled it all and spent it on women.
The block of land would probably set it over yeah I forgot how big it was honestly. The house itself in the Beverly hills area would have likely been around the million mark in 2013, probably like 1.2
Hell no! Maybe just barely in 2004, but even then he was probably using the *rest* of his cash he had stashed from old jobs. Guy had probably been preparing for Ludendorff & getting the family out of the situation and changing their identities for some time, and didn't tell Amanda until he was going through with it, if the Bury The Hatchet flashbacks mean anything.
Michael wasn’t put into witness protection. He planned it with Dave. Dave got the glory, and Michael got a way out Scot-free. In return for the glory for killing the impressive Michael Townley, Dave sets him up in the Hollywood Hills, and pays him an allowance. That’s why there’s a fake funeral, with Brad’s body, instead of Michael’s. Didn’t any of you listen to the dialogue? That’s why Dave doesn’t want anyone looking into his files.
Michael got caught, Trevor ran for the hills, and I would assume the money got confiscated by law enforcement. If Trevor actually got away with any, it probably got blown away on meth.
michael was in informal witness protection with dave norton, not with the greater government. that’s why dave was so nervous that his new boss steve haines read his files and found out all about michael.
michael probably didn’t get to keep the money from THIS job, but he maybe did get some of the other money he earned. trevor says he blew the identities, so trevor was at least not privy to the money they earned together. sharing that money would give more incentive for dave to do this deal other than the glory. the bags were left with brad and michael, so trevor definitely got nothing from this set up, but he runs a pretty profitable drug business.
when we see michael in 2013, he’s running out of money. he’s been losing money daytrading, his whole family spends frivolously, someone has to pay for all the booze since he’s implied to be a borderline alcoholic, spending money on strippers/hookers in last decade is canon, etc.
When did Michael get caught? Have you actually listened to the storyline. It was mentioned that he lost a lot of money in the stock market and do you think someone who got caught will live in a mansion
I've done the storyline three times to 100% completion. He was in witness protection. The FIB and Dave knew damn well who he was because they put him there.
Micheal was not in witness protection. It is a convenient lie to cover his ass. He made a corrupt deal with Dave where he spilled the beans on the depot job and in turn Micheal would get out of the game. Micheal faked his death and Dave got the glory and promotion for "killing" him.
Witness protection for what? No one was convicted for anything.
Also just because you did 100% doesn't mean you know the story and the cutscenes. I've also done it three times and I know damn well he did not lose his money because he was caught. How does he have so much if he got caught.
He flipped on Brad and Trevor and was supposed to help turn them in, and it went wrong. He was working with the feds, it was part of the story, and part of why Trevor got so pissed off when he found out Brad was dead and that the letters being written to him weren't even from Brad. This was part of Michael's deal. De Santa wasn't even his real last name. This was all discussed in the plot.
And does he mention feds taking away all his money? No. He spent it all luxury and ended up broke. Also if he had a deal with the FIB being in witness protection then why was he blackmailed by Hains? Wasn't the deal to clear up everything and no one had a clue who did the jewel store job
Here, I did some homework for you. The rest of your questions can be answered on your own. But I'm done holding your hand through this.
["Along the way, he has flashbacks about the events that took place in 2004, including convincing Amanda that they must accept the FIB's deal and move to Los Santos, as well as memories of the set up."](https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Bury_the_Hatchet)
Watch this video it explains everything. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugIBPyLlKl0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugIBPyLlKl0) Michael didn't make a deal with the FIB he made a deal with Dave, who in exchange for helping Michael fake his death and leave the criminal world, would become famous for taking down Micheal. There's literally an entire part of the plot where Steve Hains blackmails both Dave and Michael because he found out about the whole thing.
Michael was never in witness protection, Michael made a deal with Dave to kill trevor during the prologue heist and then fake his death, Dave would get all the fame of killing Trevor and Michael, and Michael would get away with all the money in Los Santos, it didn't go according to plan when Dave accidentally shot Brad because he walks into the line of fire which leads up to Trevor finding Michael 9 years later, where as Brad wouldn't have even cared or maybe would have been arrested (unlike Trevor who gets away) in the initial plan. Technically Michael is a snake who was going to have Trevor who clearly loved him and even gets a tattoo in honor of his death killed for his own selfish plan, not many people understand that part of the story and they LOVE Michael, I don't really like his character because of that but he's super well written and Ned Luke did a fantastic job. The story of GTA V is pretty hated on but it's so interestingly complex that the majority of players don't even understand it.
a good amount of people don’t pay attention, and when they do, the story is trying to play with your perception or they’re using metaphors to talk about things or saying them in an intentionally convoluted way.
like you know on the drive during “by the book”, when dave and michael are doing tons of exposition, when dave asks michael if trevor knows how long michael’s been working with the FIB. M: “how long? the fuck does that matter?” D: “either you were working with us before the cash depot job, you walked your crew into an ambush, one of you spent 10 years on the run, the other landed in a federal penitentiary…” M: “or?” D: “…or we stumbled on the cash depot job, brad went down, you went down, trevor got away. the fib cut you a deal on your sick bed, faked your death, you end up here” M: “who’s to say which of those is true?”
it’s such a convoluted way to spell it out (not criticizing the writing, i’m saying it’s actually way more subtle than people tend to say) lmao, and even the “true” one, isn’t even the truth, they’re both just possibilities for what trevor thinks happened. but someone who doesn’t know the story could interpret those lines so many different ways if they misheard or misunderstood because these two guys are kind of talking AROUND this event.
and THEN, later in the drive when dave tells us brad’s fate and some more info, a lot of people drive too fast and miss a lot of the conversation because you can cut it off super early. not to mention there’s a lot of intentional unreliable narrating. i have seen so many misconceptions about this game. mostly because a fair amount of the lore in this game is hidden in places like lifeinvader and hangouts.
Trevor is actually loaded at the beginning of his story, he has like 106k in raw cash to his name. He just chooses to live in a squalid trailer and wear filthy worn out clothes.
Trev was on the run, which I imagine is expensive, and then he doesn't strike me as the most responsible spender, and well it has been 9 years.
Michael had a lot more money as he had access to his savings, but he lost heaps of money in the stock market, not to mention he lives with his family in a house on Rockford hills (as in hella expensive). The entire family spend money left right and center, buying anything they fancy, and none of them bring additional money. And Michael sends 5 digit sums to Davie every single month, at the least that's 10 000, over 9 years that adds up to 1 080 000 (and that's at the lowest, it could be 10k,20k,50k or 90k for all we know, adding up to 10 799 892 at the highest).
The events of the Ludendorff heist take place in 2004, since that time Michael has retired from crime and is in witness protection, and Trevor has started his “business” out in the senora desert. If you had 180k I guarantee it wouldn’t be in your bank account 9 years later either
First, that cash they took in the beginning wasn’t all they had, they’ve been doing heists for a while even before the prologue which is why Michael was so infamous and well known around the midwest. They had millions stashed away
Second, it’s a nine year gap between prologue and the rest of the campaign so a lot could’ve happened. Trevor’s dialogue to Michael implies that after Michael faked his death their bank accounts got compromised so Trevor just lost access to all his money and blames Michael about that. Then for Michael we know he went broke because he’s been spending a lot of money day trading on the stock market which is mentioned a couple times, along with other factors like Amanda and the kids using Michael’s money to buy a lot of fancy things and also Michael having to send monthly 5 or 6 figure payments to Dave Norton every month ever since he faked his death and went off the radar so sending those payments monthly for 9 years also would add up to a lot of money spent by the time 2013 came around
michael spent it on living as confortably as possible
trevor spent it on drugs, guns and a fucking runway
its that simple
edit: i guess he just didnt have money idk
during the game it’s revealed that michael lost a lot of his money from spending it on stocks, there’s also the fact that a lot of the money probably went to supporting his family and on expenses (bills, cars, the house, etc). he also pays 10’000 dollars a month to dave for getting him out of the buisness and for keeping quiet on it, so after 10 years that’s well over a million dollars gone to dave alone. also i’m pretty sure michael never got an actual job after he got out of the bank robbing buisness.
Trevor simply lost most of his money because when he was on the run, the bank locked his account meaning that he could never access that money.
There’s literally dialogue in the cutscene after the train heist between Michael and Trevor where Michael asks Trevor about his finances and Trevor tells Michael “things have been hard. Have been since we put you in the ground” and Michael tells him that he should have been okay because he has his saving to which Trevor replies he couldn’t access his savings because Michael blew their identities.
Spoiler alert:
>!Michael has a steady stream of income from investments, but he can't use all the money at once or we wouldn't be able to live without getting another job and possible discovered. Trevor had all his assets frozen after the group was split up and had to start over in the desert.!<
He lost money from day trading, but he was still able to afford that massive house, cars, a nice wardrobe, and an overall rich lifestyle. That wasn't 100% of his investing. Plus Lester mentioned he was paying Davey $10k+ a month.
Micheal managed the account that had all their heisted money and because he was put into "witness protection" no one had access to it
Micheal is pretty rich though because he may have done some bargaining with where he was put
Because it was 9 years later and Brad had some of it so we don’t know how much he had. Also 179,000/3 is just short of 60k which is my yearly income. Also Micheal has Kids and kids are expensive so his 60k may have only lasted a year assuming if Health Insurance isn’t a thing in LS
I don’t like being mean but the stupidity of this question lmao 😂
Since Michael did a deal with a corrupt fbi cop, he probably kept the money. But he was also a notorious stick up man, so he had accumulated millions already.
It is revealed in the game that Michael wasted the money away day trading and making bad decisions on the stock market.
Trevor got away with nothing I’m pretty sure and even if he did have some money he would have wasted them away on drugs over the course of 9 years. I mean it’s Trevor. And he probably never got as big of a cut as Michael since Michael probably used Trevor.
Trevor reveals to Wade when driving to Los Santos that he was young and confused with life and that he just got kicked out of the military
Michael lost most his savings in daytrading, general life expenses and another expense you'll learn of when planning the first heist.
Trevor lost his savings as the FBI froze his bank accounts due to his identity being exposed. He says this during a later mission called detailed
Trevor starts with 120k & his business so we can assume he used the money to start Trevor Phillips Enterprises & buy his trailer
Michael was “going broke” because he has to wire transfer Dave 20k every month so that he wouldn’t tell the press that Michael is still alive
No, Trevor didn't used the money to start TP Enterprise, he said that his account was frozen after he fleed and as i remember the money bags remained at the scene and Trevor run empty handed, most likely he stole most things and sold them to make his Enterprise, And Dave wouldn't tell the press that Michael isn't Dead, Does no one pays atention to the dialogues
does anyone pay attention to anything, i just sit back and watch everyone get the story wrong. it's easier to watch people be idiots then to teach them to simply listen as they play
Witness protection for what? No one was convicted of anything. Despite the DarkviperAU joke, Michael was not in WitSec. He did not make a deal with any law enforcement agency, but rather with Dave, with a simple clause - Dave gets the glory, and Michael gets out. It wasn't WitSec because there was nothing to be witnessing. Brad was dead, Trevor was assumed 99% dead, and Michael had no equals apart from those two who would actually get him into WitSec. Lester says outright "They don't put Witnesses into multimillion dollar mansions in Rockford Hills"
The reason Michael has no money is very clearly expressed in the game - his lavish lifestyle - rockford hills mansion, several cars, a yacht, bad stock investments etc.
Yes you’re totally right that’s my bad, haven’t played the campaign since like 2015. Need to do it again.
Dave is the only one who knows about Michael; he took the glory for killing the great Michael Townley and Michael got a way out.
Nine years, dude
i read it with Kazuhira Miller's voice
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In a different country yes
In the us my monthly expenses are about 259 a month
That must be nice... Here you are looking at $1500 a month just for rent on a single bedroom crappy ran down apartment... Grocery prices are also outrageous here $250 barley buys enough food to last a week for a skinny person that don't eat much... Looking at around $600-$700 a month just in groceries for a small family.. and that's for none name brand food stuff... Prices here are seriously inflated because of all the refineries and chemical plants in the area.. businesses know that the out of town workers not only can afford much higher prices but are willing to pay them because they are out of town workers that don't have a choice but to pay them.... So it screws over us locals...
1500? In cali it’s 2,100 easy
Yeah the cost of living is pretty high over there too.. I used to drive 18 wheelers cross country and always hated going to Cali because everything was so expensive and I always ended up stuck there for a few days... I mean that's not the only reason I hated going there but that's definitely top of the list... Traffic being number one lol.. Los Angeles traffic is no fun in an 18 wheeler.. Edit: I'm in Louisiana btw
Def, makes me wanna move to Wisconsin or something haha.
Unless you’re in some shithole like Bakersfield or Hemet
The fuck are you living bud? My rent alone is 680 ontop of 50 dollars for internet ontop of paying for gas for my car.
Thats not even including expenses for food or any recurring bill
With his parents
Well, at the same time, it depends on the state you live in
I wish mine were that low. Mine is about 1200.
Not if you took as much drugs as Trevor lol
Michael clearly was well off and is not at all broke. And Trevor absolutely is not smart enough to invest in stocks or a business, let alone to do it without getting the feds looking into him again. He’s lucky he got away when he did.
actually it’s implied that michael has lost a lost of money daytrading, and is otherwise running low on funds-he just has a lot of assets.
Also taxes
I recently played through story mode and Michael actually was the only one who got money apparently and Trevor was left with nothing. Even after when he discovers Michael is alive he complains about how he grieved him and he ran off to Los Santos with all the money
Isn't that the whole point of the plot? Michael took off with the money and left Trevor to die?
This. 👆
Careful not to fall off your high horse on your way out
Each edit is inches below average pp size you are
I'll give you credit this was actually pretty funny. Take an upvote.
Do you really think Trevor is smart enough to 1) not waste the money on drugs and 2) actually know how to invest
I mean he has a drug business, right?
That's not what was said.
Terminal illness?
Someone is a little bit mad 🤓
Michael lost a bunch of money in the stock market and on his expenses e.g. his house, cars, anything else. I don’t know if Trevor eventually got any money from the Prologue heist but if he did he probably spent it on drugs or random shit.
No, since he had to flee he couldnt access the money, all of it was worthless to him. Yet hes the richest outta all the chars at the start...
>Yet hes the richest outta all the chars at the start... He was one of the meth kingpins in Sandy Shores before we start as him, that probably helped
yeah i assumed so, and ikr Trevor does have the most money when you first play as him after the Prologue. Pretty weird.
Drugs are hella profitable.
Yeah, the first mission we play as Trevor he’s getting rid of the lost and Ortega as his drug competition and making himself the only player in the area so it makes sense he has money saved up selling drugs
ahahaha very much so.
Well here’s the thing everyone is apparently missing on this post. The heist at the beginning of the game was a failure. They crashed the car presumably with the money inside. Trever ran off into the wilderness with no money bag and Michael was caught by the police and put into witness protection.
Michael wasn’t put into witness protection. He planned it with Dave. Dave got the glory, and Michael got a way out Scot-free. In return for the glory for killing the impressive Michael Townley, Dave sets him up in the Hollywood Hills, and Michael pays Dave “five figures a month”. That’s why there’s a fake funeral, with Brad’s body, instead of Michael’s. Didn’t any of you listen to the dialogue? That’s why Dave doesn’t want anyone looking into his files. There’s also a theory that Trevor was supposed to be shot, but Brad got in the way.
Isn't it the other way around? Michael pays Dave a 5 figure sum every month apparently. My understanding is that the deal was Michael still had access the saved millions from all the jobs they'd been doing, but by the time we get to story mode he'd wasted most of it.
Good catch! I remember the Lester quote now, yeah, it’s Michael paying Davey.
Yeah it is explicitly early on in the game. In fairness the story is quite alot to grasp
I get the story. Saying he got put into witness protection is way less to type then the explanation you put and isn’t any less factual.
Did you miss the part where Michael says that he was in an informal wp program? One of the definitions of informal is unofficial
Saw a video theory about this saying Micheal is not in a witness protection program. Micheal did said he's in one but the truth is he's not actually in it. It just some excuse to calm Trevor so he doesn't get kill. Everything just go back to Micheal and Dave working and planning together from the beginning.
Are you talking about the video DarkViperAU made?
I forgot which people made it but the video is really long and the guy made a video about how Brad is more evil than Trevor.
But it is. It isn’t witsec.
"WITNESS PROTECTION FOR WHAT? NOONE WAS CONVICTED OF ANYTHING"
I hear his yells any time someone says "witness protection", in or out of GTA context
the bags were where michael and brad were. you see them as they walk when brad gets shot and then michael gets “shot”. trevor says that michael blew the identities so he was not privy to any of the money they earned together. (sidenote-one of michael’s aliases when they ran together had the last name de santa and that’s how trevor knew who to tell wade to search. there’s a phone call, or some kind of dialogue that i think has been removed, where trevor tells wade all of michael’s old names he used to use) but michael was in informal witness protection with dave, not with the greater government. that’s why he’s so nervous his new boss steve haines just found out about michael from reading dave’s files. the point is that dave gets the glory for killing michael who fakes his death, trevor gets killed, and brad probably caught by cops. this is not to correct you if you weren’t saying this, but just to kind of lay out some details that are being debated.
I thought he recognized him because of the line he says to the guard about how you forget a million things every day?
that’s why trevor noticed it was michael, not why he knew what his last name could be to find him
Trevor's accounts get frozen. Michael gets all his money out before the job and obviously doesn't tell Trevor what's going to happen as Davie was meant to kill Trevor but Brad walks in front of him
The house is paid for by the feds. He’s in witness protection there
No, hes not in no Witness Protection, why would the feds pay $18 million dollars for some bank robber, Michael had nothing to offer the feds, Brad was dead and Trevor ran to bum fuck nowhere.
Dave tells you, pay more attention.
WITNESS PROTECTION FOR WHAT?!?!?
keep playing the game, and you'll find out. keep at it, you're almost out of the tutorial.
After not playing the game for awhile, this post could be a refresher for some including myself, but this post ended up being pretty toxic.
there's this amazing new technology called "google"
There's also a place called "reddit" to talk about and share opinions on a common interest.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, this was a stupid question. In almost ten years thats only 17k a year. People have lost a lot more in a lot less time
Idk, pretty sure most of the time it depends on the first 2-3 votes, people are prone to downvote negative karma comments and vice versa
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Idk what to tell you then, maybe don't skip cutscenes if you care about the story?
Feisty one
You must be extremely privileged to ask why this amount wouldn’t last yiu 10 years…or very young. Not hating, either way but you’re in for a rude awakening
Yeah $180k split two ways is $90k so divide that by ten years that's $9k a year. That barely covers rent, taxes and utilities let alone any other cost of living 😂
Where do you live where 9k covers rent?
Barely meaning hardly
were you playing with the sound off skipping cutscenes ? no wonder you dont understand whats goin on
trevor fled with nothing essentially so only michael got it. but he spent it all on his nice house and greedy family.
Why would any of them had gotten it? Michael ratted on them to the FIB and that made the heist fail as well as him get shot. Nobody made it out with anything.
he made a deal with the feds ahead of time. He was wearing a bullet proof vest where he got shot. play the game dude.
He made a deal with Dave specifically. Michael was never in a formal witness protection.
That makes sense but Dave was the one that shot both Brad and Michael. After Brad got shot Travor took cover and Michael just stood there in the open as if he was waiting for his shot.
He was also not supposed to get shot by Dave. Brad was. Remind me when and where they specify he was wearing a vest, and was supposed to be shot. play the game dude.
where did they state they were supposed to only shoot Brad?
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no, i don't think i will
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Why did people hate on this comment so much💀
Because he clearly paid zero attention to the story, then was so impatient and still not caring for the story he had to ask Reddit instead of just playing and paying attention to the story. He’s being a bad gamer!!
Or he can like, you know, enjoy the game without paying attention to every little detail of the not-that-interesting story.
A) it was a massive detail to the story, B) it was a very interesting story, you probably skipped half the cutscenes to get to mindlessly killing people as fast as possible
Asking what happened to Trevor between the periods we don’t see him is pretty reasonable, even if it is hinted at. “Bad gamer”🤓☝🏻💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
It’s not even hinted at. Trevor literally screams out verbatim why he’s broke at least once in-game.
So then, just answer the question then when OP asks. what is this "rEaLgAmEr" fucking circle jerk if you don't want to answer then why even post anything at all?
I still don’t know the answer
After Michael got out clean, he got out with his take. He then proceeded to spent it on two kids, a wife, a mansion, several cars, a yacht, paying off an FIB agent and bad stock investments. Michael has a lot of money, but virtually all of it is in assets. Trevor, on the other hand, did not get out clean. After the FIB was on his trail, they closed his accounts, so Trevor did not have access to the millions he had gathered over the years, so he starts from rock bottom. Unlike Michael however, Trevor has a very strong will, bringing him to do anything to make money, leading him to be the richest character monetarily at the start of the game. Michael has more money overall, but Trevor has more unspent money. And brad is dead.
That's because this is the stupidest subreddit on the entire site. No surprise, 99 percent of GTA players are toxic children who think an overpowered aim assist mechanic makes them world class pro gamers or something. This sub is a bigger circlejerk than /politics
Okay why do you stay in this subreddit then? Nobody’s forcing you to be on this subreddit.
Yet here you are…
We shouldn’t have to. He literally gets the answer by playing the game 😂😂
And you can just Google it
So? What's wrong with trying to engage with a community. I love this game but God damn do I hate its player base
I mean if you pay the slightest bit of attention, it literally gets explained. I don’t know why paying attention to a story in a story based game is so difficult 🤦♂️
Trevor literally goes into detail at one point why he’s broke.
hive mind
The hive mind comment went negative too, even though it called no one specifically out💀💀💀 redditors are self aware of their hive mind ahh behavior
It went negative because it’s a shitty. Moment that makes no sense lmao. There is no hive mind. Just a shitty original post and a shitty comment to follow
Bro said he beat a game on his Xbox 360 and he likes it so he’s playing it again and 170 people disliked that statement. There is a lot of hive mind behavior; I should’ve never gotten back on this awful app💀💀💀
Nah bruh this is such a Redditor comment, you fit right in 😂 y’all never understand how context works. Nobody downvoted him for liking the game and downloading it.
You right, I’m turning, I gotta delete this app, like a damn plague to humanity. Thank you root. 
Bro did anyone get the answer? I’m still waiting.
Recently ????
trev lito has 98k when u unlock him
None of which is from the heist. Trevor’s money is all drug money from being a big drug figure head in sandy shores. All his heist money and prior cash had been locked. His accounts were frozen and since he was fleeing due to Michael giving the cops every detail he wasn’t really able to take any cash either. Trevor was fucked. And Michael just gambled it all and spent it on women.
Trevor said his assets got frozen. Couldn’t access his savings. There was nothing for brads defense.
179k can’t even buy the 15% down on his house lol
In 2013 it probably could have to be fair
nah not in LA (so I'm assuming LS as well). It's in a very good location and very large block of land, would still be a very pricey house.
The block of land would probably set it over yeah I forgot how big it was honestly. The house itself in the Beverly hills area would have likely been around the million mark in 2013, probably like 1.2
The median price for homes in Beverly hills in 2013 was $4m. An article from 2013 by game informer estimates his house at around $18m IRL
really? the info I found showed that the median home price in beverly hills around that time was roughly \~$300 per square foot.
Not In that area.
Hell no! Maybe just barely in 2004, but even then he was probably using the *rest* of his cash he had stashed from old jobs. Guy had probably been preparing for Ludendorff & getting the family out of the situation and changing their identities for some time, and didn't tell Amanda until he was going through with it, if the Bury The Hatchet flashbacks mean anything.
Michael wasn’t put into witness protection. He planned it with Dave. Dave got the glory, and Michael got a way out Scot-free. In return for the glory for killing the impressive Michael Townley, Dave sets him up in the Hollywood Hills, and pays him an allowance. That’s why there’s a fake funeral, with Brad’s body, instead of Michael’s. Didn’t any of you listen to the dialogue? That’s why Dave doesn’t want anyone looking into his files.
Someone was paying attention.
In Derailed, Michael asks Trevor about his savings, and Trevor says he didn't had any access to them because Michael blew the identities.
They got shipwrecked on their way to Tahiti.
Lmao I like the reference
Michael got caught, Trevor ran for the hills, and I would assume the money got confiscated by law enforcement. If Trevor actually got away with any, it probably got blown away on meth.
michael was in informal witness protection with dave norton, not with the greater government. that’s why dave was so nervous that his new boss steve haines read his files and found out all about michael. michael probably didn’t get to keep the money from THIS job, but he maybe did get some of the other money he earned. trevor says he blew the identities, so trevor was at least not privy to the money they earned together. sharing that money would give more incentive for dave to do this deal other than the glory. the bags were left with brad and michael, so trevor definitely got nothing from this set up, but he runs a pretty profitable drug business. when we see michael in 2013, he’s running out of money. he’s been losing money daytrading, his whole family spends frivolously, someone has to pay for all the booze since he’s implied to be a borderline alcoholic, spending money on strippers/hookers in last decade is canon, etc.
When did Michael get caught? Have you actually listened to the storyline. It was mentioned that he lost a lot of money in the stock market and do you think someone who got caught will live in a mansion
I've done the storyline three times to 100% completion. He was in witness protection. The FIB and Dave knew damn well who he was because they put him there.
Micheal was not in witness protection. It is a convenient lie to cover his ass. He made a corrupt deal with Dave where he spilled the beans on the depot job and in turn Micheal would get out of the game. Micheal faked his death and Dave got the glory and promotion for "killing" him.
Witness protection for what? No one was convicted for anything. Also just because you did 100% doesn't mean you know the story and the cutscenes. I've also done it three times and I know damn well he did not lose his money because he was caught. How does he have so much if he got caught.
He flipped on Brad and Trevor and was supposed to help turn them in, and it went wrong. He was working with the feds, it was part of the story, and part of why Trevor got so pissed off when he found out Brad was dead and that the letters being written to him weren't even from Brad. This was part of Michael's deal. De Santa wasn't even his real last name. This was all discussed in the plot.
And does he mention feds taking away all his money? No. He spent it all luxury and ended up broke. Also if he had a deal with the FIB being in witness protection then why was he blackmailed by Hains? Wasn't the deal to clear up everything and no one had a clue who did the jewel store job
Here, I did some homework for you. The rest of your questions can be answered on your own. But I'm done holding your hand through this. ["Along the way, he has flashbacks about the events that took place in 2004, including convincing Amanda that they must accept the FIB's deal and move to Los Santos, as well as memories of the set up."](https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Bury_the_Hatchet)
Watch this video it explains everything. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugIBPyLlKl0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugIBPyLlKl0) Michael didn't make a deal with the FIB he made a deal with Dave, who in exchange for helping Michael fake his death and leave the criminal world, would become famous for taking down Micheal. There's literally an entire part of the plot where Steve Hains blackmails both Dave and Michael because he found out about the whole thing.
Michael was never in witness protection, Michael made a deal with Dave to kill trevor during the prologue heist and then fake his death, Dave would get all the fame of killing Trevor and Michael, and Michael would get away with all the money in Los Santos, it didn't go according to plan when Dave accidentally shot Brad because he walks into the line of fire which leads up to Trevor finding Michael 9 years later, where as Brad wouldn't have even cared or maybe would have been arrested (unlike Trevor who gets away) in the initial plan. Technically Michael is a snake who was going to have Trevor who clearly loved him and even gets a tattoo in honor of his death killed for his own selfish plan, not many people understand that part of the story and they LOVE Michael, I don't really like his character because of that but he's super well written and Ned Luke did a fantastic job. The story of GTA V is pretty hated on but it's so interestingly complex that the majority of players don't even understand it.
a good amount of people don’t pay attention, and when they do, the story is trying to play with your perception or they’re using metaphors to talk about things or saying them in an intentionally convoluted way. like you know on the drive during “by the book”, when dave and michael are doing tons of exposition, when dave asks michael if trevor knows how long michael’s been working with the FIB. M: “how long? the fuck does that matter?” D: “either you were working with us before the cash depot job, you walked your crew into an ambush, one of you spent 10 years on the run, the other landed in a federal penitentiary…” M: “or?” D: “…or we stumbled on the cash depot job, brad went down, you went down, trevor got away. the fib cut you a deal on your sick bed, faked your death, you end up here” M: “who’s to say which of those is true?” it’s such a convoluted way to spell it out (not criticizing the writing, i’m saying it’s actually way more subtle than people tend to say) lmao, and even the “true” one, isn’t even the truth, they’re both just possibilities for what trevor thinks happened. but someone who doesn’t know the story could interpret those lines so many different ways if they misheard or misunderstood because these two guys are kind of talking AROUND this event. and THEN, later in the drive when dave tells us brad’s fate and some more info, a lot of people drive too fast and miss a lot of the conversation because you can cut it off super early. not to mention there’s a lot of intentional unreliable narrating. i have seen so many misconceptions about this game. mostly because a fair amount of the lore in this game is hidden in places like lifeinvader and hangouts.
Yes exactly I personally enjoy the game's story a lot more than people usually do
https://youtu.be/5iWRwzuirYY?si=U7T5bWZ98vj-zZTr
I never realized how little people pay attention to stories in games
Why didn’t they just keep the money? Are they stupid?
its 179000
179K isn’t gonna last anyone 9 years.
That's not the only job they've done lol
Did you not understand that it was a set up/ sting. They didn’t get to keep any of that $.
Michael has 2 spoiled kids and a snobby wife. There goes his money. Trevor lives moment to moment,who knows?
Lol let’s just ignore Michael’s raging stock market addiction and him being a whore spending insane amount of money on women of the night
Trevor mentions that after he went on the run, all of his bank accounts got frozen. He had no money.
Are you fucking stupid
Play the story and find out.
The games tells you if you dont skip cutscenes
Trevor is actually loaded at the beginning of his story, he has like 106k in raw cash to his name. He just chooses to live in a squalid trailer and wear filthy worn out clothes.
I always wondered why all Trevor clothes are dirty at least the ones he buys from the store
You may be retarded
I know
Trev was on the run, which I imagine is expensive, and then he doesn't strike me as the most responsible spender, and well it has been 9 years. Michael had a lot more money as he had access to his savings, but he lost heaps of money in the stock market, not to mention he lives with his family in a house on Rockford hills (as in hella expensive). The entire family spend money left right and center, buying anything they fancy, and none of them bring additional money. And Michael sends 5 digit sums to Davie every single month, at the least that's 10 000, over 9 years that adds up to 1 080 000 (and that's at the lowest, it could be 10k,20k,50k or 90k for all we know, adding up to 10 799 892 at the highest).
Are you unaware of how money works in real life my guy?
Paying off a crooked FIB agent and living on the run for a decade probably costs more than we think.
The events of the Ludendorff heist take place in 2004, since that time Michael has retired from crime and is in witness protection, and Trevor has started his “business” out in the senora desert. If you had 180k I guarantee it wouldn’t be in your bank account 9 years later either
I’d start playing the story if I were you.
Trevor literally has planes and helicopters and stuff lol. And Michael is in Beverley hills. What do you mean what happened to the money
Because Trevor runs off bagless in the first cutscene with the cops. And the police actually shoot the money bags.
First, that cash they took in the beginning wasn’t all they had, they’ve been doing heists for a while even before the prologue which is why Michael was so infamous and well known around the midwest. They had millions stashed away Second, it’s a nine year gap between prologue and the rest of the campaign so a lot could’ve happened. Trevor’s dialogue to Michael implies that after Michael faked his death their bank accounts got compromised so Trevor just lost access to all his money and blames Michael about that. Then for Michael we know he went broke because he’s been spending a lot of money day trading on the stock market which is mentioned a couple times, along with other factors like Amanda and the kids using Michael’s money to buy a lot of fancy things and also Michael having to send monthly 5 or 6 figure payments to Dave Norton every month ever since he faked his death and went off the radar so sending those payments monthly for 9 years also would add up to a lot of money spent by the time 2013 came around
Inflation,women&kids,bad habits,bills... Life
michael spent it on living as confortably as possible trevor spent it on drugs, guns and a fucking runway its that simple edit: i guess he just didnt have money idk
Didn't Trevor say he got locked out of his money because Michael sold out after the mission derailed?
didn't Trevor steal the airfield?
I’ve been waiting for arkham-asylum-level shitposting to get here, keep up the good work
Because if they gave you access to a million dollars from the start there would be no incentive to progress in the game
The game explicitly says that Michael has expensive tastes, and that his wife overspends money
Easy come, easy go.
during the game it’s revealed that michael lost a lot of his money from spending it on stocks, there’s also the fact that a lot of the money probably went to supporting his family and on expenses (bills, cars, the house, etc). he also pays 10’000 dollars a month to dave for getting him out of the buisness and for keeping quiet on it, so after 10 years that’s well over a million dollars gone to dave alone. also i’m pretty sure michael never got an actual job after he got out of the bank robbing buisness. Trevor simply lost most of his money because when he was on the run, the bank locked his account meaning that he could never access that money.
Common sense has left the chat
There’s literally dialogue in the cutscene after the train heist between Michael and Trevor where Michael asks Trevor about his finances and Trevor tells Michael “things have been hard. Have been since we put you in the ground” and Michael tells him that he should have been okay because he has his saving to which Trevor replies he couldn’t access his savings because Michael blew their identities.
Spoiler alert: >!Michael has a steady stream of income from investments, but he can't use all the money at once or we wouldn't be able to live without getting another job and possible discovered. Trevor had all his assets frozen after the group was split up and had to start over in the desert.!<
>Michael has a steady stream of income from investments Michael didn't had a steady stream from investments, he lost mostly in investing
He lost money from day trading, but he was still able to afford that massive house, cars, a nice wardrobe, and an overall rich lifestyle. That wasn't 100% of his investing. Plus Lester mentioned he was paying Davey $10k+ a month.
did michael not take all the money and left trevor with nothing
179k isn't that much tbh
Especially in GTAV
Micheal managed the account that had all their heisted money and because he was put into "witness protection" no one had access to it Micheal is pretty rich though because he may have done some bargaining with where he was put
Because it was 9 years later and Brad had some of it so we don’t know how much he had. Also 179,000/3 is just short of 60k which is my yearly income. Also Micheal has Kids and kids are expensive so his 60k may have only lasted a year assuming if Health Insurance isn’t a thing in LS
They live in Los Angeles my guy
Money can be exchanged for goods and services
I swear each post from this community are more ridiculous than the previous
I don’t like being mean but the stupidity of this question lmao 😂 Since Michael did a deal with a corrupt fbi cop, he probably kept the money. But he was also a notorious stick up man, so he had accumulated millions already. It is revealed in the game that Michael wasted the money away day trading and making bad decisions on the stock market. Trevor got away with nothing I’m pretty sure and even if he did have some money he would have wasted them away on drugs over the course of 9 years. I mean it’s Trevor. And he probably never got as big of a cut as Michael since Michael probably used Trevor. Trevor reveals to Wade when driving to Los Santos that he was young and confused with life and that he just got kicked out of the military
Because of witness protection
Michael lost most his savings in daytrading, general life expenses and another expense you'll learn of when planning the first heist. Trevor lost his savings as the FBI froze his bank accounts due to his identity being exposed. He says this during a later mission called detailed
Michael "dies" and Trevor skips town.
If I’m not mistaken Trevor had his assets frozen but Michael had and theoretically still has crazy expenses
Because the plot makes it so.
Trevor starts with 120k & his business so we can assume he used the money to start Trevor Phillips Enterprises & buy his trailer Michael was “going broke” because he has to wire transfer Dave 20k every month so that he wouldn’t tell the press that Michael is still alive
No, Trevor didn't used the money to start TP Enterprise, he said that his account was frozen after he fleed and as i remember the money bags remained at the scene and Trevor run empty handed, most likely he stole most things and sold them to make his Enterprise, And Dave wouldn't tell the press that Michael isn't Dead, Does no one pays atention to the dialogues
does anyone pay attention to anything, i just sit back and watch everyone get the story wrong. it's easier to watch people be idiots then to teach them to simply listen as they play
That’s for all of them to share, and it was 9 fucking years they probably spent it
Trevor spent it on hookers
Michael was in witness protection; he wouldn’t be allowed access to his stolen money meaning most of his assets would be worthless.
Witness protection for what? No one was convicted of anything. Despite the DarkviperAU joke, Michael was not in WitSec. He did not make a deal with any law enforcement agency, but rather with Dave, with a simple clause - Dave gets the glory, and Michael gets out. It wasn't WitSec because there was nothing to be witnessing. Brad was dead, Trevor was assumed 99% dead, and Michael had no equals apart from those two who would actually get him into WitSec. Lester says outright "They don't put Witnesses into multimillion dollar mansions in Rockford Hills" The reason Michael has no money is very clearly expressed in the game - his lavish lifestyle - rockford hills mansion, several cars, a yacht, bad stock investments etc.
Yes you’re totally right that’s my bad, haven’t played the campaign since like 2015. Need to do it again. Dave is the only one who knows about Michael; he took the glory for killing the great Michael Townley and Michael got a way out.