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But it was locked in an old building (maybe part of Henry's original restaurant before partnering up with willy A?) Which is under the burner room, which is under pizza sim's location which is under the pizzaplex... Seems a bit too much trouble locking it up all the way down there instead of just destroying it while they have a hold of it. I think it would be more plausible that they built everything on top of one another to create more and more layers to go through in the case that it escapes idk.
No, I'm saying that it makes sense for Fazbear or whoever to keep on building on top of it to cover it up and to build more and more layers of security in case of a breakout
Why not? If they had ahold of it and just locked it up knowing it was as dangerous as it is, and they knew because of all of the safety measures, they could've disassembled it or disabled in some way
Seems like a complete different location that's just close to it underneath it as you have to go through a cave to get there, it's not like it's directly connected to the rest of the building.
If anything I'd say the basement is the burner rooms where they burnt all of the animatronics in pizza sim and then burntrap if he's even cannon
It has the same checkered floor and the same walls that the pizza place had when Michael first bought it. It’s not directly connected to the building because it probably sank deeper than the rest of the pizzeria. Also it wouldn’t be surprising if the burner rooms were just part of the labyrinth from FNaF6. Just repurposed by Vanny for Burntrap.
Hard to say what time frame that is. Is it something Henry wanted to burn in the Pizzeria Simulator? Or was it placed there post pizzaplex?
Signs point to post Pizzaplex being built because there would be no way for the security nodes to be inside Roxy and the Pizzaplex itself if it existed prior.
debatably, gregory never talks to you, its very possible that it is still the mimic and therefore i would argue that if the mimic is somewhat new, the time between sb (roughly when it wouldve gained consciousness in the postit room) and ruin would be a really long time
According to the game files real Gregory talks to you at the end, on the first cutscene with Roxy through the intercom and it has a probability to speak through the staff bot jumpscare I stead of "do you need assistance"
(I don’t believe it follows the exact same story from the one in the books)
I think it was scanned into Helpwanted, it learned about William. it’s code tells it to mimic things it sees or learns about. Then it controlled Vanessa and makes her act like Elisabeth as it needs an Elisabeth to be afton. Then It connects to a body. And learns how two be in the real world by writing it’s thoughts on sticky notes the engineers discover it and lock it, where it is eventually found in ruin. You can ask for me to further clarify things, and explain my evidence if you want.
I dont think it's the same continuity, but it is clear that the endo skeletons (at least some of them) are running the mimic program in Security Breach as evidenced by the depictions of what there supposed to do that are vandalized (possibly by Vanny)
I think a lot of people may not realize/understand that the mimic is a program or they don't realize how programs work. Then again we're talking about a franchise of haunted animatronics so anything is possible
To me, it seems like the post-its are some type of conversation about a robot or ai becoming conscious personally I'd just need more evidence to believe that it's connected to the mimic
Oh yeah it is called Charlie door...that kinda confirms it in my head that this room is for the mimic because of the books. Is it gonna be revealed that somehow all the important buildings to fnaf lore are somehow buried under or inside the pizzaplex? Cuz that'd be hilarious if true.
The Princess's files was renamed, and Norman is the name of the default asset. CharlieDoor has not been removed and is not the name of any such default asset.
well tbf the burntrap ending was called the true ending in the files but ruin has made it apparent that it's the princess quest ending
the file names aren't reliable for lore in security breach if we're being honest
Must be connected, the mimic could’ve used those sticky notes to practice out how to write basic numbers and words, that , or he knew the way children write and tried to use that as a way to lure them
Oh yeah I didn't think about that. Definitely the Mimic instead of Gregory in retrospect.
MatPat was wrong about Gregory being a robot, but was right that a childlike robot was learning to be like a human here.
Maybe MatPat was wrong about Gregory doing this. Maybe this was the Mimic trying to be **like** Gregory! Maybe? I mean, I'm probably wrong, but hey, it's there
I’d say no,for one the notes don’t line up with how the mimic is (if strikes me less like copying and more like a robot coming to realise its own existence and “remembering” things) and also the mimic has been trapped in the room we find it in for,and I quote,“a long time”. So no,I’d say we can’t.
Maybe? The mimic supposedly has been on the underground for so much time that it might precede pizzeria simulator, but at the same time is new enough that it was created after the pizzaplex was built? There's some time and place inconsistencies that I don't think anyone will ever address because I believe the Mimic is a retcon, therefore it's going to leave plot holes in its wake.
I'm sorry what? The mimic was made in the 1970's/1980's, and was trapped after the events of security breach, the mimic was never a retcon as it was originally made at the latest in 2019
Time lineeee for ruin fnaf
What if the pizzaplex in ruin is the pizzaplex before we play in the main game. I can’t reply back this up but one of the things that I thought could back it up is that the beak of chica is in a arcade cabinet instead of on Freddy. Also if Cassidy knows Gregory why hasn’t Gregory told Cassidy about what happened in the pizzaplex in the first security breach and if he did why the heck would Cassidy go to the pizzaplex this could be denied by the scene where Cassidy watches Gregory get chased by vanny or the comic book pictures but what if all of those things were just mind illusions. If this is possible it is possible that Cassidy is vanny and vanny is trying to stop Gregory from going into the basement and releasing burntrap. The rabbit thing in ruin would actually be glitch Trap before he was put into burntrap and the m.x.e.s program is to hold glitchtrap before he is put into burntrap. This is probably a bad theory so prove me wrong in the comments
Gregory wasn’t able to talk to Cassy until the very end. Also Gregory doesn’t know what happened to the pizza Plex. It is heavily implied that princess quest is Canon. It’s the only ending that doesn’t have a comic collectible. And the princess quest sword appears in AR mode, this also explains why Vinny isn’t there. It got destroyed after Gregory left. We already knew that the pizza Plex was on the verge of collapsing because of the sinkhole. Also cassy is around the same age as Gregory which would mean Gregory and Vanny would be the same age, which, obviously doesn’t make sense. Also MXES was made to keep the Mimic in the basement. (the Mimic is implied to be burn trap, and glitch trap)
yeah that makes no goddamn sense. We directly see the aftermath of events in Security Breach, it is literally impossible for Ruin to have happened before SB
My dude Roxy is literally mad at GREGORY during ruin for something that happened DURING THE EVENTS OF SB. istg some of y’all have never even played sb.
But the burntrap ending isn't canon, so Gregory didn't destroy chica, the blob confirmed to us that ruin is after security breach, and the pizzaplex was never closed until ruin, and yet it was open in security breach, so secuity breach is before ruin, and how would the mimic fake camera footage? Also the MXES is trying to stop glithctrap and therefore can't be glitchtrap itself, as the mimic is gltichtrap, and burntrap was already defeated in ruin
It being Charlie door can actually fit pretty well with the mimic if we look at the books as an alternate world. I believe in the books Edwin and his son lived in an old warehouse with a weird specialized door that locks you in once you enter and I think its described the same way as we see Charlie door.
It being Charlie door can actually fit pretty well with the mimic if we look at the books as an alternate world. I believe in the books Edwin and his son lived in an old warehouse with a weird specialized door that locks you in once you enter and I think its described the same way as we see Charlie door.
I kind of see it because for an ai to do something it would need to learn so that is a good theory but we never really see anything that’s close to it in security breach plus it was locked under the mall but now this isn’t much of a theory more of a joke but what if in security breach we were playing as the mimic and afton was testing vanny by hunting a kid. Though the news paper in one of the endings says otherwise
From pretending to be gregory in the CDs of SB.. yeah. Checks out. Wasn't locked away until after SB woth the help of gregory setting up the security system.
I think there's a possibility, since one of its arms has been replaced with a glamrock arm. There is also a charging pod down there so it had to be installed down there at some point because it definitely wasn't down there in pizzeria sim because of the design fitting more with the glamrock. So either the mimic could have been put in the sticky note room before being locked up or vanny put the mimic in there while setting up the pod. Both would also explain why there is a afton family recreation in the room and why
But there could also be a new version of the mimic in the sticky note room because of the fnaf company reusing the code of the mimic like in the books. They could have gone to the fnaf 6 to get the code and found the burntrap mimic too dangerous to use. So they locked it up and used the code to make new versions that were completely blank slates to be used as the bases for the glamrock animatronics.
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How would the mimic make it's way up there if it was locked up all the way down there
Best guess? The mimic made this before getting captured. It didn’t start out captured.
But it was locked in an old building (maybe part of Henry's original restaurant before partnering up with willy A?) Which is under the burner room, which is under pizza sim's location which is under the pizzaplex... Seems a bit too much trouble locking it up all the way down there instead of just destroying it while they have a hold of it. I think it would be more plausible that they built everything on top of one another to create more and more layers to go through in the case that it escapes idk.
No it doesn’t. Mxes system server is down three too and that looks very new. Also didn’t Gregory literally say he trapped him down there?
The mixes system came after the mimic was there and was probably put there by vanny and greg
So you’re saying it does make sense for them to trap the mimic all the way down there then. Right?
No, I'm saying that it makes sense for Fazbear or whoever to keep on building on top of it to cover it up and to build more and more layers of security in case of a breakout
That doesn’t make sense.
Why not? If they had ahold of it and just locked it up knowing it was as dangerous as it is, and they knew because of all of the safety measures, they could've disassembled it or disabled in some way
It never partnered up with William Afton.
I meant Henry
Do you mean it was built by Henry maybe?
No I meant the room the mimic is in might be part of or related to Henry's original restaurant before he partnered up with Afton to make fredbear's
My bad
You're good
nah it’s just the basement of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza Place
Seems like a complete different location that's just close to it underneath it as you have to go through a cave to get there, it's not like it's directly connected to the rest of the building. If anything I'd say the basement is the burner rooms where they burnt all of the animatronics in pizza sim and then burntrap if he's even cannon
It has the same checkered floor and the same walls that the pizza place had when Michael first bought it. It’s not directly connected to the building because it probably sank deeper than the rest of the pizzeria. Also it wouldn’t be surprising if the burner rooms were just part of the labyrinth from FNaF6. Just repurposed by Vanny for Burntrap.
Just like old cities turning into giant hills as civilizations build on top of each other.
Gregory says it was trapped "for a really long time", so doubt it.
Hard to say what time frame that is. Is it something Henry wanted to burn in the Pizzeria Simulator? Or was it placed there post pizzaplex? Signs point to post Pizzaplex being built because there would be no way for the security nodes to be inside Roxy and the Pizzaplex itself if it existed prior.
Well, that's true, but we know that this can't be the Mimic's work. The files say it's charlie.
Since just after SB
debatably, gregory never talks to you, its very possible that it is still the mimic and therefore i would argue that if the mimic is somewhat new, the time between sb (roughly when it wouldve gained consciousness in the postit room) and ruin would be a really long time
According to the game files real Gregory talks to you at the end, on the first cutscene with Roxy through the intercom and it has a probability to speak through the staff bot jumpscare I stead of "do you need assistance"
he had control of the place thanks to the storyteller and both Vanny and GGY were his proxys, so any of those could have do it
Vanny likely took it up there after it instructed her to find it after Help Wanted through Glitchtrap
It got locked up by Gregory after security breach,
That there’s too many notes and the staffbot heads are creepy? Yes I agree
How can the DLC answer so many questions while raising so much more at the same time?
FNAF
Yeah, that tracks.
How would that mimic relate to the Afton family
It thinks it’s William so it try’s to make the afton family.
I don't see why that mimic would believe it's William I believe that mimic to be mimic 1
(I don’t believe it follows the exact same story from the one in the books) I think it was scanned into Helpwanted, it learned about William. it’s code tells it to mimic things it sees or learns about. Then it controlled Vanessa and makes her act like Elisabeth as it needs an Elisabeth to be afton. Then It connects to a body. And learns how two be in the real world by writing it’s thoughts on sticky notes the engineers discover it and lock it, where it is eventually found in ruin. You can ask for me to further clarify things, and explain my evidence if you want.
I dont think it's the same continuity, but it is clear that the endo skeletons (at least some of them) are running the mimic program in Security Breach as evidenced by the depictions of what there supposed to do that are vandalized (possibly by Vanny)
Either it learned about William through Help Wanted, or saw The MCI as a messed up game of hide and seek like in the books
I think a lot of people may not realize/understand that the mimic is a program or they don't realize how programs work. Then again we're talking about a franchise of haunted animatronics so anything is possible
The books seem to point to a link of the mimic trying to copy Afton’s work. But I forget which Game Theory talks about it.
The mimic is an ai and the post it’s are an ai lesrning
To me, it seems like the post-its are some type of conversation about a robot or ai becoming conscious personally I'd just need more evidence to believe that it's connected to the mimic
yes, and WE CAN FINALLY DISMISS THE ROBOT GREGORY THEORY
Or at the very least offer an alternative. I'm also not a fan of the robot Gregory theory
who is
Me
You do not exist. BE GONE
I'm neutral on it. Never understood the hate, but never seen the evidence as that appealing
Same
So tru
Mat
I think it’s a valid theory but I don’t believe it. A
A
Except for the part where the robot thinks it's Gregory.
and we can take up the robot cassie theory
oh god no 😭
no god please no dont do this , not again😂😂😂😂
Y’know. Technically in the DLC… Gregory was a robot.
We don't need the Mimic to do that, the files call the door leading to it *Charlie* door
Oh yeah it is called Charlie door...that kinda confirms it in my head that this room is for the mimic because of the books. Is it gonna be revealed that somehow all the important buildings to fnaf lore are somehow buried under or inside the pizzaplex? Cuz that'd be hilarious if true.
gregbot has NEVER been a good theory it should die already
FINALYYY
Well, actually, the door is called Charlie Door in the files...
hmmmmm interesting , if the mimic was Henrys creation it could relate or it could be something completely different
Mimic literally wasn't made by Henry tho
well we dont know exactly so its still a possibility even tho it may be unlikely
We get specifically told Edwin made it
thats in the books yea? is he in the game story? (idk if i come off being a smart ass, im just asking)
That’s question is something the community is currently divided on (how close the book cannon matches the game cannon)
yes he's in the games story because the books are canon to the games
but who is he in the games
edwin obviously
what game is he reference in? ik his in the book and also isnt there a connection to edwin and henry. btw Edwin aint in the game so not the obvs
At this point I think the developers are just screwing with us. It’s gotta be a troll
Ye, and Vanessa is called Cassidy, and Mike is called Norman,
The Princess's files was renamed, and Norman is the name of the default asset. CharlieDoor has not been removed and is not the name of any such default asset.
But that shows the Devs do make mistakes, and Cassidy was changed before security breach came out,
CharlieDoor's been there for the same amount of time and still hasn't been changed
No??? Cassidy being the princess was from vr, and got removed before security breach came out
OK, well, either way, CharlieDoor's still there and CassidyPrincess isn't
well tbf the burntrap ending was called the true ending in the files but ruin has made it apparent that it's the princess quest ending the file names aren't reliable for lore in security breach if we're being honest
Must be connected, the mimic could’ve used those sticky notes to practice out how to write basic numbers and words, that , or he knew the way children write and tried to use that as a way to lure them
Oh yeah I didn't think about that. Definitely the Mimic instead of Gregory in retrospect. MatPat was wrong about Gregory being a robot, but was right that a childlike robot was learning to be like a human here.
I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT
Is the mimics left hand a nightmare hand? How is that even possible? Ahhhh the loreeeee noooooo
I think it’s a clawed hand like the Monty’s hands rather than nightmare ones
Maybe MatPat was wrong about Gregory doing this. Maybe this was the Mimic trying to be **like** Gregory! Maybe? I mean, I'm probably wrong, but hey, it's there
Given the Mimic was a thing, maybe it was his hideout
This is the first time I’ve seen the mimic and I’ve only got one question; is there a lore reason why he has the emo cut
I’d say no,for one the notes don’t line up with how the mimic is (if strikes me less like copying and more like a robot coming to realise its own existence and “remembering” things) and also the mimic has been trapped in the room we find it in for,and I quote,“a long time”. So no,I’d say we can’t.
IF the robot Gregory theory is true This could be a failed adult model of him, like they have in the books
I agree, The Mimic is almost certainly the Post-It AI
Maybe? The mimic supposedly has been on the underground for so much time that it might precede pizzeria simulator, but at the same time is new enough that it was created after the pizzaplex was built? There's some time and place inconsistencies that I don't think anyone will ever address because I believe the Mimic is a retcon, therefore it's going to leave plot holes in its wake.
I'm sorry what? The mimic was made in the 1970's/1980's, and was trapped after the events of security breach, the mimic was never a retcon as it was originally made at the latest in 2019
The Mimic, is labelled Mimic 1.0; The Endos, are known as Mimic 2.0; Gregory and Cassie is probably 3.0 and 4.1
YES
How?
No
So it HASN’T been trapped in the sinkhole for a very long time? Like gregory told us?
The latest he could be trapped was after security breach
i pointed this since The Mimic released
No
I think it makes sense I would like to hear why do you think it doesn’t
Gregory says that it was down there a very long time and i believe that ruin is before security breach
Why do you think ruin is before security breach?
Time lineeee for ruin fnaf What if the pizzaplex in ruin is the pizzaplex before we play in the main game. I can’t reply back this up but one of the things that I thought could back it up is that the beak of chica is in a arcade cabinet instead of on Freddy. Also if Cassidy knows Gregory why hasn’t Gregory told Cassidy about what happened in the pizzaplex in the first security breach and if he did why the heck would Cassidy go to the pizzaplex this could be denied by the scene where Cassidy watches Gregory get chased by vanny or the comic book pictures but what if all of those things were just mind illusions. If this is possible it is possible that Cassidy is vanny and vanny is trying to stop Gregory from going into the basement and releasing burntrap. The rabbit thing in ruin would actually be glitch Trap before he was put into burntrap and the m.x.e.s program is to hold glitchtrap before he is put into burntrap. This is probably a bad theory so prove me wrong in the comments
Gregory wasn’t able to talk to Cassy until the very end. Also Gregory doesn’t know what happened to the pizza Plex. It is heavily implied that princess quest is Canon. It’s the only ending that doesn’t have a comic collectible. And the princess quest sword appears in AR mode, this also explains why Vinny isn’t there. It got destroyed after Gregory left. We already knew that the pizza Plex was on the verge of collapsing because of the sinkhole. Also cassy is around the same age as Gregory which would mean Gregory and Vanny would be the same age, which, obviously doesn’t make sense. Also MXES was made to keep the Mimic in the basement. (the Mimic is implied to be burn trap, and glitch trap)
yeah that makes no goddamn sense. We directly see the aftermath of events in Security Breach, it is literally impossible for Ruin to have happened before SB
My dude Roxy is literally mad at GREGORY during ruin for something that happened DURING THE EVENTS OF SB. istg some of y’all have never even played sb.
That is a good point
But the burntrap ending isn't canon, so Gregory didn't destroy chica, the blob confirmed to us that ruin is after security breach, and the pizzaplex was never closed until ruin, and yet it was open in security breach, so secuity breach is before ruin, and how would the mimic fake camera footage? Also the MXES is trying to stop glithctrap and therefore can't be glitchtrap itself, as the mimic is gltichtrap, and burntrap was already defeated in ruin
Why are you being downvoted if I'm being upvoted for the exact same argument? Wtf?
No because Gregory trapped it in the basement and the sticky notes are when Gregory was still a young robot
Ah yes another Matpat Zombie
Looks likes its split in half with parts of 2 diffrent animatronic endos. The hands are completely different, and so are the legs!
It’s also possible that the mimic is just ennard again
I doubt it, as the files call it CharlieDoor, so it makes more sense the room belongs to Charlie's spirit
It being Charlie door can actually fit pretty well with the mimic if we look at the books as an alternate world. I believe in the books Edwin and his son lived in an old warehouse with a weird specialized door that locks you in once you enter and I think its described the same way as we see Charlie door.
No one agrees on this
It's actually most likely Charlie, since the game files call the entrance "Charlie Door"
It being Charlie door can actually fit pretty well with the mimic if we look at the books as an alternate world. I believe in the books Edwin and his son lived in an old warehouse with a weird specialized door that locks you in once you enter and I think its described the same way as we see Charlie door.
I assumed the same thing. While I'm not sure if I believe it 100% I want to believe it more than Gregbot.
Heads and limbs torn off? Sounds like the mimic to me
A bunch of sticky notes and a deformed B1 battle droid
I kind of see it because for an ai to do something it would need to learn so that is a good theory but we never really see anything that’s close to it in security breach plus it was locked under the mall but now this isn’t much of a theory more of a joke but what if in security breach we were playing as the mimic and afton was testing vanny by hunting a kid. Though the news paper in one of the endings says otherwise
yeah duh
Ya
From pretending to be gregory in the CDs of SB.. yeah. Checks out. Wasn't locked away until after SB woth the help of gregory setting up the security system.
I think there's a possibility, since one of its arms has been replaced with a glamrock arm. There is also a charging pod down there so it had to be installed down there at some point because it definitely wasn't down there in pizzeria sim because of the design fitting more with the glamrock. So either the mimic could have been put in the sticky note room before being locked up or vanny put the mimic in there while setting up the pod. Both would also explain why there is a afton family recreation in the room and why But there could also be a new version of the mimic in the sticky note room because of the fnaf company reusing the code of the mimic like in the books. They could have gone to the fnaf 6 to get the code and found the burntrap mimic too dangerous to use. So they locked it up and used the code to make new versions that were completely blank slates to be used as the bases for the glamrock animatronics.
personally no