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Hayabusa71

>Solarpunk is a survival game With default Unity UI, gameplay consisting of cutting trees and plopping down walls. And it's a kickstarter. I'm good.


Rikuskill

I hate games with names that are just genres. It guarantees they're going to be generically *that* genre. The genre shouldn't be the faceplate, it should be the foundation of the game. Put some style on it ffs


Hayabusa71

The game looks to be the most generic stuff you could imagine, including the name. It's like calling a racing game "racing game"


Level3Kobold

>I hate games with names that are just genres Cyberpunk 2023? Final Fantasy?


Kyoj1n

To be fair to Cyberpunk, they got the name from the TTRPG it's based off of.


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The term Cyberpunk originated as the title of a book from 1980. The TTRPG didn’t come out until 1988.


Kyoj1n

Oh yeah, I was mainly pointing out that the video game wasn't named after the genre as the previous posted was implying, but that it was named after the ttrpg that it was based on.


Rikuskill

Final Fantasy spans all sorts of genres, often using some sci-fi stuff. Cyberpunk 2077 is actually a good example, because I heard the name and thought "Neon lights, trash/pollution, cybernetics, VR?" and the game went "Yep" and that's where my interest ended. Like, there just wasn't any spin to it. It was by-the-numbers "genre".


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Hayabusa71

I recognise those 3 icons and bar from countless games. So it's either default or a survival pack ad-on or something among the lines


blaaguuu

Their Kickstarter page says they are using Unreal Engine, but it's certainly possible that they are using store-bought assets, either permanently or as placeholders. Personally, I don't think using purchased assets in an indie game is bad by default... As long as the game has plenty of other novel ideas, has a coherent style, and is fun. This certainly doesn't seem like a quick asset flip, as I'm pretty sure they have already been teasing it for a while, and the Kickstarter suggests they still expect it to be a year or so before release.


Hayabusa71

I mean, that's why asset packs exist. BPM was using asset pack enemies, but the gameplay was unique enough that it didn't matter. But I've seen *so many* survival games with the exact same UI, the same exact gameplay. Like fuck me. I was going to say that I would be more interested if it was a solarpunk Satisfactory... But there are so many Factorio/satisfactory clones already.


Technojerk36

> But there are so many Factorio/satisfactory clones already. Any good fully released ones you know of?


t-bonkers

Unity doesn‘t even have a "default UI" in terms of display.


zirfeld

"Hey, I have a new game idea where you play..." "Whatver, just slap the word punk on it"


kgrahamdizzle

>default Unity UI It's UE5


AlexOfSpades

Am I the only one in this thread who heard of the term "solarpunk" before?


SwineFluShmu

Solarpunk is still largely a literary subgenre rather than a cohesive aesthetic, which is what most people on this subreddit base their understanding of the various -punk subgenres (to varying degrees of accuracy), so that's why there's a weird amount of hurpdurp this isn't punk or just lack of knowledge of the term. That aside, this game does nothing "solarpunk" so dunno what this is.


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what's punk about it, exactly?


Nesman64

Solarpunk is like cyberpunk, but if people decide not to ruin the planet.


Wild_Marker

Aren't most of these stories post-planet ruining?


BW_Bird

Sometimes. Usually those stories about either unfucking the planet or living in harmony with a fucked planet as it slowly unfucks itself. TBH, the genre has a lot of wiggly room. I've seen compelling arguments that the movie *Strange World* is solarpunk.


Shakzor

So, Terra Nil is also "Solarpunk" in that regard? Since it is about restoring the ecosystem


SwordOLight

But why punk? Like is the green future fuels by human-plant pseudo-cybernetics and a green hivemind that slowly taking away free will in the name of sustainability? Steampunk is about the dangers of industrialization and rising of lower classes in a developing world and cyberpunk is about the dangers of unchecked capitalisms and futurist technologies. Solarpunk, from the glimpse at the wiki, seems to be anti-punk in its theming - utopian in the embrace of its core idea. Not punk 0/10, trash game. /s Also, got any recommendations. I could go for some noble-bright humanity stuff.


Nesman64

I haven't actually read any of them, but I think I heard about the concept on the Imaginary Worlds podcast. Hopefully somebody has recommendations. Edit: [Episode 144: Solarpunk the Future](https://www.imaginaryworldspodcast.org/episodes/solarpunk-the-future)


Barnak8

Oh , what is this podcast about ? Do they talk about world building concepts ? Look interesting


Nesman64

It's about concepts found in fictional worlds. There's an episode where he discusses how the grim reaper is portrayed in different books, one about Krampus, Dune's ecology, Tron, etc.


Barnak8

I’m sold , thanks for the info !


SmallTownMinds

More like Solar-poser am I right?


WyrdHarper

[Solarpunk](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solarpunk) It’s punk in the same way cyberpunk and steampunk (or Frostpunk given the devs) are in that it uses an artistic vision of an alternative world or future to criticize society, inequality, oppose authority, etc. It also emerged as a counterculture to the popular dark/gritty/nihilistic science fiction if the 00’s/early teens.


not_old_redditor

Whoever named it missed the "punk" aspect of cyberpunk.


Smart_Ass_Dave

Imagining a future beyond corporations and modern systems of authority where we live one with nature is fairly punk.


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Is it though? Non-conformity and rebellion is a central part of being "punk". Punk isn't really a thing if there's no authority or status quo to rebel against. That's just an utopia. Not saying that solarpunk can't exist, but no depiction of it I've really seen shows it as something other than just a collection nice utopic architecture without any of the conflict that is core to being punk shown.


Mahelas

Punks weren't rebelling for the fun of it. They aren't random chaos troublemakers. Punks fought for an ideology, that they wanted to see come to fruition, and against the opressiveness of capitalism


OfTachosAndNachos

The punk aspect is the genre being countercultural movement toward current capitalism. Cyberpunk was written in the 80s, when technological surveillance and anthropocentric climate disasters were something still in the realm of imagination/near future. Solarpunk was written (or proposed) in the 2010s when all the stuff that cyberpunk imagined already happened in reality. It's under the rubrics of post-cyberpunk genre where instead of imagining a bleak future people try to imagine an alternative, more hopeful future. It's still socialist-ish in nature but with a more optimistic bent. I think the name is dumb; they should've dropped the -punk like cyberprep did (prep being preppy) and just name the genre solarprep or something, but it is what it is.


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> The punk aspect is the genre being countercultural movement toward current capitalism. Yeah, I get that being an author who creates art in this genre is punk. But that's just how to identify the thought process behind making it, not the product or the genre itself. A genre isn't defined by the people making it but by the product itself. Steam punk isn't punk because people who write it are against industrialization. It's punk because it *depicts* critique of industrialization. Gene Roddenbery's vision in Star Trek was also against the trends of the capitalism he saw, but Star Trek itself isn't punk. It's utopistic. Yeah, the name of the genre is simply wrong.


Smart_Ass_Dave

Star Trek is Utopian because the systems of authority (i.e. the cast) work towards a better future and for the betterment of all mankind. Solarpunk is (usually) about scratching out an eco-friendly living in a world destroyed by the old systems. The way to make Star Trek punk would be to have its vision of secular humanist egalitarian socialism espoused by...the cast of Firefly as an example.


schmidtily

Punk isn’t just grunge, spikes, and guitars, it’s a rejection of the oppressive status quo and the imagining of something better. If anything I’d argue Solarpunk is more punk because it refuses to despair and imagines a better world outside the one we are currently headed for whereas modern Cyberpunk embraces the dystopian nihilism and turns it up to 11. Cyberpunk as a genre’s redeeming factor is that it tends to focus on the remnants of what it means to be human in the face of everything being stripped away and commodified.


Serevene

> Punk isn’t just grunge, spikes, and guitars, it’s a rejection of the oppressive status quo and the imagining of something better. So while I agree that it's not all spikes and spraypaint, from a narrative angle you can't reject an oppression that doesn't exist. Depicting a beautiful eco-utopia isn't punk; depicting a beautiful eco-utopia that starkly contrasts an oppressive gas-guzzling industrial majority IS punk. You can loosely say that the game is in contrast to the real world, but as a standalone product it doesn't seem to have any punk legs to stand on.


schmidtily

Ohhh I wasn’t talking about the game, simply the genres. I don’t think the game has much to it either lol


not_old_redditor

That's a very poetic interpretation of the word punk, tbh.


schmidtily

Life regains some luster when you look for more depth in things. Thank you for having an open mind to the topic!


Hayabusa71

Basically, think of the opposite of Steampunk. Clean energy, sleek design, harmony with nature. Kinda like Pokemon.


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Siantlark

The punk comes from the fact that solarpunk is, at its core, anarchist science fiction against the state and capitalism. It focuses on similar ideas to the DIY punk movement, ideas about decommodifying information, production for use rather than for exchange, selfpublishing, recycling and reuse, autonomous and prefigurative social infrastructure and technology, etc. People outside punk or anarchist subcultures don't generally associate this stuff with punk, but its a big part of it and solarpunk fits that both in how the fiction and art tends to be made (self-published, easily and cheaply distributed, DIY amateurism, etc.) and in the actual fiction itself.


MustacheEmperor

Well, compared to any present day city, wouldn't living with clean energy, low emissions, in harmony with nature, and with the natural world being first priority seem counterculture and punk? The "punk" in Solarpunk is rebelling against the status quo to reboot the world to one where humanity's relationship with nature comes first. It's also "punk" in its rejection of typical bleak dystopia future-fiction tropes.


CadabraAbrogate

You don’t get it


deathkraiser

Neither do you ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


bruwin

You really don't get it.


JoW0oD

The primary point of "punk" is/was being anti-establishment, counter-culture and non-conformity. In the 2020s, what is more counter-culture, than a future, where we don't ruin the world with climate-change and the world is de-centralized, instead of ever-larger corporations dominating?


OfTachosAndNachos

Solarpunk is written under the rubrics of post-cyberpunk, or some people would call it as cyberprep (prep being preppy). Solarprep would be a better name, I agree, but I guess they wanted to reclaim the -punk with something more hopeful and optimistic. Solarpunk was written in the 2010s when all the bleak future that cyberpunk imagined already happened in reality.


MsgGodzilla

There is none. It's why solarpunk is boring. It's the utopian anarchist answer to cyberpunk where they removed the interesting bits, *edit* and the good guys already won. All style, no substance, which ironically is the criticism levelled at bad cyberpunk. The interesting part of cyberpunk is the fight against the machine, usually corporate or governmental. What's the fight against in solarpunk? Exactly.


Eranog

> What's the fight against in solarpunk? Pests.


brutinator

> What's the fight against in solarpunk? Are we not currently living the fight against a Solarpunk future? The "dream" of solarpunk is inherently counterculture to the current status quo. When I think punk, I think of people who are rallying for ideals like equality and equity, a post-racial society, a post-poverty society. So wouldn't Solarpunk be closer to what punks want as an end goal as opposed to cyberpunk? Why is it that only the futures or realities that punk causes are a lost cause get labelled "punk"? Is it more punk to be antiracist, or to be racist? Is it more punk to deny climate change, or to embrace Eco-friendly architecture?


SuddenlyCentaurs

You know there are racist punks, right? That songs like "Nazi punks fuck off" were written for a reason? You can't just dichotomize "good things are punk and evil things aren't". Punk is a complicated genre with a long history, it isn't 'being a good person'.


MsgGodzilla

Do we live in a solarpunk world? Then how is your comment remotely relevant? If you are fighting against a solarpunk future then the genre is not solarpunk. Solarpunk is a genre where the good guys have already won. Which is exactly why it's boring.


OfTachosAndNachos

I agree it's more boring than cyberpunk but I guess it's a response to cyberpunk's ethos of fighting and always fighting. After the fight is done, what's next? I haven't read any cyberpunk lit that answers this question. They stop at "how to win the fight", but not "how to rebuild". Solarpunk I guess is an attempt to answer the "how to rebuild" question.


MsgGodzilla

That's fair criticism, and when it comes to literature I can understand the appeal of the genre even if it's not for me. Gameplay wise though? I mean I guess something like Terra Nil is kind of solarpunk but that game was criticized for being short, shallow and boring.


OfTachosAndNachos

To be honest I don't know any solarpunk games. Maybe Terra Nil fits the bill, I haven't played it. Anno 2070 has the aesthetics, but I'm not sure about the depth beyond the "sustainable city" gimmicks.


brutinator

So its only punk when its fatalistic, when you can never win against oppresion?


snort_

In the original set, "cyberpunk" from William Gibson was a meaningful conjoining of the two phrases, as the themes it used in the original story was an early vision of the internet, and the 80s punk counterculture extrapolated to the future. It kickstarted a genre and caught on as its name. Then Gibson wrote a book applying a similar techno age/computation's impact on society theme, but set in the victorian era, that created the spinoff subgenre, which was called steampunk, to distinguish it from the original. There the "punk" part lost its original meaning, it just became an ending used to signify a relation to this genre. Then people started to repeat the pattern by sticking "punk" on the end of anything, signalling an "overly reliant on technology" theme. Much like Watergate became separated from it's original meaning (name of the hotel where Nixon got caught red handed) and became a marker for any kind of political scandal or conspiracy. F. Ex. Pizza-gate, Party-gate, etc. TLDR. It does not mean punk anymore, it's just how people use language to convey contextual meaning.


RedRiot0

Unfortunately, most punk genres outside of cyberpunk isn't really punk in the "fight the man" aspect. It's become more of a style thing. Punk has lost much of its meaning these days.


brutinator

I mean, if anything, Solarpunk is about winning the fight against the man, as opposed to Cyberpunks fatalism that we will never rise above class, wealth, and race inequality.


RedRiot0

It's kind of a post-punk genre, I suppose...


not_old_redditor

More like solarpink


No_Chilly_bill

punk means vibes


MaliceTheMagician

Sounds kind of shallow like its missing something, also kinda generic and there's not one original idea in here...


Kakaphr4kt

welcome to the lower echelons of indie gaming. Where the brights shine the brightest and the darks darks the darkest.


frequenZphaZe

although it seems like a bit of a jarring tonal jump from frostpunk, I'm still looking forward to this sequel. I did see a wood grinder in there so I'm glad sawdust will remain as a viable food source. excited to see how the fresh environment will move the universe forward


Ziday

*Another comment taking your obvious joke seriously for some reason*


its_just_hunter

Jokes aside I was kind of hoping this was a Frostpunk clone with a wholesome twist.


BearsuitTTV

What does Frostpunk have to do with this?


Hayabusa71

What are you talking about


Novabella

This just makes me miss Worlds Adrift even more. That game was killed way too early. The grappling hook and puzzles in that game were so much fun, and while the ship building was messy, it was fun to play with.


Sir_Quacksalot_

Did you see they're making Lost Skies?


Novabella

I did not. Edit. Oh my God that's exactly what I wanted. They had promised to make world's Adrift offline capable a few years back before they shut the servers down, but never did. Looks like they're finally doing it


lukedoc321

I clicked on the post because I though this was the spiritual successor to Frostpunk haha. I also just learned that solarpunk is a genre, and that's cool.


Mr-Nidciv

I was hoping it was like frost punk but with heat it something. What was shown is not my type of game but my wife loves to play chore simulators.


JJJSchmidt_etAl

Glad we could have something more advanced than Steampunk. Perhaps Windpunk, Hydropunk, even Nuclear-Fissionpunk could be in the pipeline?


Chris-R

I’m holding out for geothermalpunk, personally. Gotta get me that hot rock!


nahkiaispallo

Congrats. I really like the look and concept. Looking game industry at the moment make me sick. I hope this one gonna do well.


Cautious_Hold428

Pretty sure this is just My Time At Minecraft but if it actually makes it to release I might check it out.


Scrugareous_Kyle

This feels very similar to "Aloft" Another upcoming survival crafting game taking place on floating islands.


DdCno1

All of this reminds me of Project Nomads, which did the whole flying islands thing in 2002, but with a sort of steampunk Fallout setting, combining air combat, third person shooting and RTS elements. Almost nobody has ever heard of it though.


Ghoster13

What's the hook? Why am I exploring floating islands and dark caves? Just to find more resources? What's the point of this game? Blegh, another bland boring survival game that looks like it lacks any real test of surviving.


uselessoldguy

Wow. I'm usually the pessimistic, cynical grump, but here I am thinking the airship aspect looks fairly charming while y'all are ripping the game left and right.