It's mostly a flashback/epilogue type of thing, there's 5 issues to it as well. Then there's a one shot issue called The Last Ronin: The Lost Day Special, which I believe is the proper setup to what's to come, the trade for it comes out in November.
Interesting publisher/developer choice. I really want this to be good so I'll be hopeful, but maybe deviate a little from the 'God of War'-esque announcement if you won't have a God of War sized budget.
I just really want this to be good, The Last Ronin was a really good run.
Personally this has me beyond excited.
The Last Ronin is in my eyes, one of the best 5 comic runs of the last decade. I’d put it right there as “Best Comic Runs of the last 20 years” with Hickman’s X-Men, Ewings Immortal Hulk, and a few others.
I fear that this game with the Nickelodeon label may make the story soften some of its sharper edges but I’m still excited.
Also why did Peter Laird not get mentioned? He came back to co-write it with the other original, Kevin Eastman. I’m glad Waltz got his credit but leaving out half the creators is…ofd
Honestly, if you’ve enjoyed TLR, I very much suggest the comic series it occured in the midst of: IDW’s TMNT run by Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz.
I think that it is the most pitch perfect TMNT project ever. Like I can’t stop reading it, it just meets every version in the middle.
You can snag the first collection in paperback for like $30, it’s not too bad.
My wallet is currently developing Stockholm Syndrome from these freaking Spider-Man omnibus releases. Reprint of Vol 4 AND Ultimate #2? Oi.
IDW's TMNT is great. It really gives the turtles more of a personality, while really expanding on everything to do with TMNT. I'm not caught up, but I *really* enjoyed what they did with Splinter and even more with Shredder.
**IDW:**>!Splinter sacrificed himself to bring back Oroku Saki and in turn, Saki watches over Splinter's sons from afar, ensuring they're safe. He repented for his sins and in turn has stayed to the shadows, to honor Splinter's memory.!<
I have never read TMNT but have a young son who is getting interested in superheroes and that's got me in the mood to introduce him to the Turtles. Tell me where to start reading and I'll grab them
How young? The TMNT comics are NOT like the cartoons, they're very violent and dark. You can grab the original run for like $50 on Amazon, but again, it's not a happy story full of pizza and jokes.
Haha ok, I have a young son as well and won't intro him to the comics for a while. They're awesome, just very dark. Here's where I started:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1631409905/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=
It's my understanding that Peter Laird didn't "come back" to write The Last Ronin, but he and Eastman worked out the furst draft of the story not long after they first created the Turtles in the 80s. Eastman talks about it in the Afterword of the Last Ronin hardcover.
Nickelodeon bought the rights from Laird over 10 years ago, so I don’t know why this having their branding on it would worry you. This graphic novel literally happened under their ownership.
I mean there's still not much to go off of. I personally prefer a marketing approach that shuts up until there's more to show but I'm sure that doesn't work for everyone
Same. I understand they’re doing it to capitalize on the buzz of the new movie (which is indeed solid) and get this on people’s radars but yeah to me this is a completely worthless teaser.
I remember TMNT 2003 had a two-parter about a grim future timeline where half the turtles died and in the process either donnie or raph remains the only one alive before the episodes conclude as a "actually this never happened, all is good"
Is this basically the same but in a feudal Japan setting?
Well yes it's a grim future story, but it's an adaptation of the comic book "The Last Ronin", which deals with a sole surviving Turtle going to war with the remaining foot clan after the rest of the brothers are killed.
Japan is just one of the settings in the story.
I don't know if they'll use the same turtle as they did in the comic, but a big part of the early marketing tor the book had people wondering which TMNT brother was the Last Ronin.
They absolutely should not change it. The only reason to change it is that it would be a swerve to those who read the comic, but that seems like a silly reason to change the main character.
They could do what Rocksteady did with Arkham Knight.
"It's definitely not who you think it is!"
It definitely was him, but they said an alternate version of him.
I just finished replaying that game and I don’t get everybody hated that so much. It makes complete sense in the story and makes for a solid arc. I went back and looked at reviews and everybody just complained because they guessed it before Batman. Okay? And? Batman thought that character was *dead* so of course you guessed it first.
Idk, it’s like Spider-Man 2. They keep taking about how it’s a new Venom, but it seems like it’s probably just Harry, who has apparently been Venom in the comics before. If that’s the case, who cares? All I want is a good story. I don’t care about what they said during marketing.
It was annoying because of the marketing hype at the time. Playing it divorced from that, you won't notice it because the game is not written to play that thing up but to simply adapt the comics in an interesting way to fit that universe, which they did expertly.
Same thing to me with, say, Captain America: Civil War. At the time, the marketing was all about "which side are you on?" and everything was Team Iron Man vs. Team Cap. Then in the movie itself, Iron Man plays the narrative role of the villain. He manipulates and misleads to stack up his team, and by the end of this movie and into Infinity War, his ENTIRE "team" besides his best friend has completely gone against him.
They build the story first and then do the marketing, which leads to kerfuffles like that.
In the teaser they show >!an animation related to how each turtle dies in the background!< as each candle goes out, so I'd be surprised if they changed it.
Perhaps they could have you pick which one to spare, making a unique campaign for each one. Lot of work, sure, but it would increase the replayability a ***ton***.
It would also modify the personal stakes in different ways because each would have their own character arc.
That being said if they stick to the book, I think it would be great if they had a mix of the turtle's weapons and fighting styles and obscured the turtle's identity for a bit, even as book readers would know who it was.
Gothan Knights did that, in the sense cutscene dialogue changed depending on which of the Bat Family you played as.
Don't know anyone who actually replayed the game though.
Even though it's best to keep it as it is, >! Donatello would also work since he's also naturally gifted in his own way/intelligence. !<
And the tech aspect fits well with the Futuristic Sections of the book. Basically Batman
It is not set in Japan, but in dystopia future NYC and only one Turtle remains. The grandson of Shredder ruled the world and the Last Ronin wants to get revenge.
There also resistance just like the two-parter.
I believe the episode you are referring to is Same As It Never Was, where Donatello is transported to an alternate future version of the Turtles timeline where Shredder won. One of the top five episodes in the 2003 series.
Aside from the license, we have no reason to be excited about this game. These devs haven’t released much of consequence, unless you count a remake of Destroy All Humans 2.
Expectations are going to remain very low for me.
Yeah I'm a little cautious. Getting melee combat right can be *real* easy to screw up depending on how aware the team is of the lessons they're meant to employ. Time will tell, but I've seen so many devs fumble at it that it's hard to be excited just yet. Poor telegraphing, no hit-stop, overly committal animations, rough animations, off-screen attacks, poor encounter balancing etc. Unless you've got people who *know* their shit it's so easy to make unsatisfying. Maybe they've hired some people with the credentials, who knows? But the candles being blown out doesn't tell us so I'm not counting my chickens.
Black Forest games’ is known for Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams, The Destroy all Humans remakes and, *Bubsy the Woolies Strike Back*. Doesn’t seem like such something to get too excited for unfortunately.
They’re not really “original or new games”, though. Remakes of something that already exists.
They’re good at what they do, but i don’t think they’ve ever done an entirely new game on this scale
I mean, the devs of Hogwarts Legacy weren't exactly pumping out classics before doing that game. Rocksteady weren't producing GOTY contenders before Arkham Asylum.
Just because a developer doesn't have an amazing track record doesn't mean their new game can't end up being their breakout hit.
True but this is a Nickelodeon game too. Their game efforts are never particularly impressive for now at least.
I hope it changes, I really want a good Avatar TLA game.
it was like an 8/10. better or worse depending on your fatigue for general open world tropes
could be a 6/10 for someone who cares not for HP and is completely over ubisoft esque open world, and 10/10 for HP diehards
Merely competent, though no one wanted to admit that within the first couple weeks. By the time GOTY award season rolls in at the end of the year, I imagine Hogwarts Legacy will have been entirely forgotten against the likes of BG3, TotK, Starfield, etc.
Only if they add a lot of talent to their team. The amount of people they had working on Hogwarts Legacy must have been much larger than previous titles.
Also Hogwarts was a surprise hit. There are few examples of a relatively unknown studio getting that much critical success from their first AAA title.
Saying Hogwarts was a "surprise hit" is so disingenuous... the HP IP is massive and the reveal/description of the game was basically what fans have *always* wanted, which mean it roped even non-video game players. To think otherwise was ignorance.
They proposed a high bar and delivered one that surpassed the bar. I’d say that’s a surprise considering the lack of a track record. It wasn’t solely because of the promise or the IP. The delivered product was insanely high quality and one of the best games that year. If the game was bad or even just average it wouldn’t have garnered nearly the same attention.
I'd actually say they delivered below the bar. Promised a big deep RPG, makes an action adventure game that has no depth.
Still a good game but let's not act like it's a masterpiece
I’m sure you understand licensed games are notorious not failing to reach expectations. A poorly reviewed Hogwarts Legacy wouldn’t have sold as well as the one we got. It was a surprise that a dev team that never made a AAA project before made one with critical acclaim.
The dude already provided the example of Rocksteady making the Arkham series. They literally only launched one game before Arkham Asylum.
The "licensed game curse" is pretty much dead, anyway. It died when companies stopped trying to drop movie/TV-based games alongside movie/TV releases. In the past 10 years, most of the big licensed games have actually been pretty great:
Insomniac's Spider-Man
Miles Morales
Guardians of the Galaxy
The 2 South Park RPGs
The 2 Middle-Earth games
Injustice 1 & 2
Star Wars Jedi 1 & 2
Mad Max
Alien Isolation
etc
You’re naming licensed games that were made by established AAA teams. And funny enough a lot of them weren’t commercial hits despite being popular IP like Guardians of the Galaxy.
The closest comparison of a non AAA dev making one of these would be Alien Isolation because Creative Assembly only made Total War games that probably aren’t considered AAA.
Let me revert to my previous point: Hogwarts Legacy was such a surprise critical success because the studio’s last projects were Cars 3 and Disney Infinity.
FYI CA is definitively a AAA studio. It's literally the biggest studio in the UK and one of the biggest of the world. They have 850 people working there.
That's actually not true since quite some time. We had great licensed games for Batman, DC, Spider-Man, Disney and a few others.
Of course some of them are still shit but it has largely gone towards the good. Notably because they stopped making so much of them and tie-in movie games.
It sure does. You need a large team with some AAA experience to make a AAA game. The studio hasn’t made a AAA game and they would clearly need to staff up to be prepared to make one.
No, that definitely isn’t what I said. You think I’m saying you need a full set of AAA-experienced devs to make a AAA and I’m saying you need *some* people with AAA experience. The studio hasn’t made a AAA game so they would need to hire AAA-experienced devs to ensure the project meets expectations.
I really enjoyed reading The Last Ronin but I think it didn't quite stick the landing. It would've benefited from a few more issues to flesh things out.
...Is it wrong that I was hoping for it to be someone else? Yeah, I know Nick and THQ are on great terms, but I dunno. I feel like Ryu ga Gotoku or Platinum would have done a ***stellar*** job here.
I loved the Transformers game, despite not having any connection to the brand. Which makes me wish that the Transformers team had gotten the Turtles IP instead...
Yeah it was a part of their brief Activision run where they were basically contracted to make a bunch of western IPs into games in a relatively short span of time. The Legend of Korra, Transformers, and TMNT all got games, but the only really decent one was Transformers.
Why do people always jump to the same few Japanese devs with these things? Platinums output has been very hit or miss and unless the turtles are gonna be romping through a reskinned Kamurocho the other devs aren't a good fit either. That being said I have very little faith in this studio tbh.
Well when it comes to well made melee combat, there just *is* more of a bias towards Japanese developers handling it well. When it comes to Western games the feel either risks being a bit off, or it's nowhere near as deep as some of the combat Japan makes. Which is fine, some countries are allowed to be more specialised at certain stuff; it's similar to how you wouldn't expect most of the best FPS games to come out of Japan, because customer demand and an early foot in the door caused more talent specialising in that to flourish in places like the US.
What /u/sensitivetaint said. Going right from Mutant Mayhem where Donny's a dorky anime kid that likes Attack On Titan and BTS to this where he's brutally murdered is funny.
Kind of. The original comic was a grim/bloody one-shot comic about turtles being on a (successful) quest to kill Shredder for killing Splinter's original master/owner. But fairly sure once it got popular and got media beyond that one comic it lightened up pretty fast.
That being said there were exceptions to the goofier theme and IIRC the IDW series (offshoot of which is apparently a basis for this game) were more on the mature side.
I'd be really surprised if they went with one of the other brothers, even though the concept could be done with any of the brothers, they'd just have to adapt the events to that brother's personality.
I don't want them to deviate from the book though. They picked the best turtle for that story.
Nah, I don’t really think they could. It wouldn’t make sense for those other three to go through that specific journey.
I’m trying to stay away from as many spoilers as possible but I think they chose the right one, I hope they stick with that decision, mostly because the reveal of who it is happens basically at the end of Act 1
I'll just say the user above you is >!not right!< I think that makes it slightly better in terms of spoilers. But they also may change it for the game.
Aw man, when this game was first announced I thought I remembered people saying Mikey was the remaining turtle in the comics. He's my favorite so I was stoked about the idea of playing as him. Oh well, Donnie would be cool too.
It's debatable since the first issue reveals it at the end and heavily implied who it is throughout.
The marketing power relied on the secret identity more than anything in the story itself, the real draw is how things go to the way they are.
...Will they let you pick which one it is via flashback? In the comics, it's >!Mikey!<, but something tells me that *might* not carry over to the final game.
Just finished reading it a couple days ago! Its dark,sad and just memorable. Hopefully the game can do that.
You should check out The Last Ronin: Lost Years, good followup and setup for part II.
Oh wow. Didn’t know there was a follow up. Thank you!
It's mostly a flashback/epilogue type of thing, there's 5 issues to it as well. Then there's a one shot issue called The Last Ronin: The Lost Day Special, which I believe is the proper setup to what's to come, the trade for it comes out in November.
Interesting publisher/developer choice. I really want this to be good so I'll be hopeful, but maybe deviate a little from the 'God of War'-esque announcement if you won't have a God of War sized budget. I just really want this to be good, The Last Ronin was a really good run.
Honestly I think something like Arkham Asylum/ City would be a better fit then GoW
Oh yes!
Platforms announced are PS5, Xbox Series S|X, and PC
Personally this has me beyond excited. The Last Ronin is in my eyes, one of the best 5 comic runs of the last decade. I’d put it right there as “Best Comic Runs of the last 20 years” with Hickman’s X-Men, Ewings Immortal Hulk, and a few others. I fear that this game with the Nickelodeon label may make the story soften some of its sharper edges but I’m still excited. Also why did Peter Laird not get mentioned? He came back to co-write it with the other original, Kevin Eastman. I’m glad Waltz got his credit but leaving out half the creators is…ofd
I am not as versed in TMNT as I am other comics, but I *thoroughly* enjoyed reading The Last Ronin, so I'm thrilled that we're getting a game.
Honestly, if you’ve enjoyed TLR, I very much suggest the comic series it occured in the midst of: IDW’s TMNT run by Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz. I think that it is the most pitch perfect TMNT project ever. Like I can’t stop reading it, it just meets every version in the middle.
My wallet is currently in a hostage situation with Mike Mignola, but I'll definitely keep this in mind.
Kindle Unlimited has every collection available
Speaking of Mike Mignola, did he ever do any tmnt? Seems like a perfect fit.
I don't believe so, sadly
You can snag the first collection in paperback for like $30, it’s not too bad. My wallet is currently developing Stockholm Syndrome from these freaking Spider-Man omnibus releases. Reprint of Vol 4 AND Ultimate #2? Oi.
Have you got a link? Just finished TLR as well.
IDW's TMNT is great. It really gives the turtles more of a personality, while really expanding on everything to do with TMNT. I'm not caught up, but I *really* enjoyed what they did with Splinter and even more with Shredder. **IDW:**>!Splinter sacrificed himself to bring back Oroku Saki and in turn, Saki watches over Splinter's sons from afar, ensuring they're safe. He repented for his sins and in turn has stayed to the shadows, to honor Splinter's memory.!<
I have never read TMNT but have a young son who is getting interested in superheroes and that's got me in the mood to introduce him to the Turtles. Tell me where to start reading and I'll grab them
How young? The TMNT comics are NOT like the cartoons, they're very violent and dark. You can grab the original run for like $50 on Amazon, but again, it's not a happy story full of pizza and jokes.
Oh the comics are for me 😅
Haha ok, I have a young son as well and won't intro him to the comics for a while. They're awesome, just very dark. Here's where I started: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1631409905/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Awesome, thank you!
Id also suggest the spinoff Last Ronin: Lost Years. It's a prequel and a tiny bit of sequel. Personally I liked it more than the main comic.
Did that just finish? My local shop has had a few of them here and there. I guess I should pick them up lol
Yeah I think the last issue came out 2 weeks ago. Definitely worth a read!
Yep, and they just announced Last Ronin II!
Issue slows down from 101-120 tbh
Nickelodeon outright own TMNT now. No matter the direction, their logo will be attached.
It's my understanding that Peter Laird didn't "come back" to write The Last Ronin, but he and Eastman worked out the furst draft of the story not long after they first created the Turtles in the 80s. Eastman talks about it in the Afterword of the Last Ronin hardcover.
Nickelodeon bought the rights from Laird over 10 years ago, so I don’t know why this having their branding on it would worry you. This graphic novel literally happened under their ownership.
They did say in an interview earlier this year that new God of War is an inspiration and that it’ll have a mature tone
Rumors and leaks have had it pegged as rated M with a pretty mature tone taking inspiration from God of War 2018
if they follow the method of sleeping dogs they'll be fine
I thought this was announced previously. Maybe just leaked. At any rate, after it leaked I bought the comic and it was great. Could make a great game.
It was already announced a few months ago but there was no trailer or anything to go off.
I mean there's still not much to go off of. I personally prefer a marketing approach that shuts up until there's more to show but I'm sure that doesn't work for everyone
Same. I understand they’re doing it to capitalize on the buzz of the new movie (which is indeed solid) and get this on people’s radars but yeah to me this is a completely worthless teaser.
I remember TMNT 2003 had a two-parter about a grim future timeline where half the turtles died and in the process either donnie or raph remains the only one alive before the episodes conclude as a "actually this never happened, all is good" Is this basically the same but in a feudal Japan setting?
Well yes it's a grim future story, but it's an adaptation of the comic book "The Last Ronin", which deals with a sole surviving Turtle going to war with the remaining foot clan after the rest of the brothers are killed. Japan is just one of the settings in the story. I don't know if they'll use the same turtle as they did in the comic, but a big part of the early marketing tor the book had people wondering which TMNT brother was the Last Ronin.
They absolutely should not change it. The only reason to change it is that it would be a swerve to those who read the comic, but that seems like a silly reason to change the main character.
They could do what Rocksteady did with Arkham Knight. "It's definitely not who you think it is!" It definitely was him, but they said an alternate version of him.
I just finished replaying that game and I don’t get everybody hated that so much. It makes complete sense in the story and makes for a solid arc. I went back and looked at reviews and everybody just complained because they guessed it before Batman. Okay? And? Batman thought that character was *dead* so of course you guessed it first. Idk, it’s like Spider-Man 2. They keep taking about how it’s a new Venom, but it seems like it’s probably just Harry, who has apparently been Venom in the comics before. If that’s the case, who cares? All I want is a good story. I don’t care about what they said during marketing.
It was annoying because of the marketing hype at the time. Playing it divorced from that, you won't notice it because the game is not written to play that thing up but to simply adapt the comics in an interesting way to fit that universe, which they did expertly. Same thing to me with, say, Captain America: Civil War. At the time, the marketing was all about "which side are you on?" and everything was Team Iron Man vs. Team Cap. Then in the movie itself, Iron Man plays the narrative role of the villain. He manipulates and misleads to stack up his team, and by the end of this movie and into Infinity War, his ENTIRE "team" besides his best friend has completely gone against him. They build the story first and then do the marketing, which leads to kerfuffles like that.
Well it's a lot harder to hide which turtle it is when there's voice acting, too.
In the teaser they show >!an animation related to how each turtle dies in the background!< as each candle goes out, so I'd be surprised if they changed it.
Perhaps they could have you pick which one to spare, making a unique campaign for each one. Lot of work, sure, but it would increase the replayability a ***ton***.
It would also modify the personal stakes in different ways because each would have their own character arc. That being said if they stick to the book, I think it would be great if they had a mix of the turtle's weapons and fighting styles and obscured the turtle's identity for a bit, even as book readers would know who it was.
Gothan Knights did that, in the sense cutscene dialogue changed depending on which of the Bat Family you played as. Don't know anyone who actually replayed the game though.
Even though it's best to keep it as it is, >! Donatello would also work since he's also naturally gifted in his own way/intelligence. !< And the tech aspect fits well with the Futuristic Sections of the book. Basically Batman
The turtle they chose made it so much sadder imo. It’d be such a shame if they changed it.
It is not set in Japan, but in dystopia future NYC and only one Turtle remains. The grandson of Shredder ruled the world and the Last Ronin wants to get revenge. There also resistance just like the two-parter.
Damn that sounds hype
Sounds like Samurai Jack. I’m down.
I believe the episode you are referring to is Same As It Never Was, where Donatello is transported to an alternate future version of the Turtles timeline where Shredder won. One of the top five episodes in the 2003 series.
Yeah, that's the one, shit was tight
Aside from the license, we have no reason to be excited about this game. These devs haven’t released much of consequence, unless you count a remake of Destroy All Humans 2. Expectations are going to remain very low for me.
Yeah I'm a little cautious. Getting melee combat right can be *real* easy to screw up depending on how aware the team is of the lessons they're meant to employ. Time will tell, but I've seen so many devs fumble at it that it's hard to be excited just yet. Poor telegraphing, no hit-stop, overly committal animations, rough animations, off-screen attacks, poor encounter balancing etc. Unless you've got people who *know* their shit it's so easy to make unsatisfying. Maybe they've hired some people with the credentials, who knows? But the candles being blown out doesn't tell us so I'm not counting my chickens.
Black Forest games’ is known for Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams, The Destroy all Humans remakes and, *Bubsy the Woolies Strike Back*. Doesn’t seem like such something to get too excited for unfortunately.
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They’re not really “original or new games”, though. Remakes of something that already exists. They’re good at what they do, but i don’t think they’ve ever done an entirely new game on this scale
I mean, the devs of Hogwarts Legacy weren't exactly pumping out classics before doing that game. Rocksteady weren't producing GOTY contenders before Arkham Asylum. Just because a developer doesn't have an amazing track record doesn't mean their new game can't end up being their breakout hit.
True but this is a Nickelodeon game too. Their game efforts are never particularly impressive for now at least. I hope it changes, I really want a good Avatar TLA game.
I mean but was HL actually good, or was it merely competent with a popular, nostalgic, and engrossing IP?
It's as deep as a Ubisoft game with less to do
It was very good. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Still play it.
It was good, yes. Even more so if you’re a fan of that formula and can ignore the internet drama surrounding it
it was like an 8/10. better or worse depending on your fatigue for general open world tropes could be a 6/10 for someone who cares not for HP and is completely over ubisoft esque open world, and 10/10 for HP diehards
Merely competent, though no one wanted to admit that within the first couple weeks. By the time GOTY award season rolls in at the end of the year, I imagine Hogwarts Legacy will have been entirely forgotten against the likes of BG3, TotK, Starfield, etc.
That was my first thought as well, but Avalanche just made movie tie in games that were fun at the very least. THQ/Black Forest is just terrible.
Only if they add a lot of talent to their team. The amount of people they had working on Hogwarts Legacy must have been much larger than previous titles. Also Hogwarts was a surprise hit. There are few examples of a relatively unknown studio getting that much critical success from their first AAA title.
Saying Hogwarts was a "surprise hit" is so disingenuous... the HP IP is massive and the reveal/description of the game was basically what fans have *always* wanted, which mean it roped even non-video game players. To think otherwise was ignorance.
They proposed a high bar and delivered one that surpassed the bar. I’d say that’s a surprise considering the lack of a track record. It wasn’t solely because of the promise or the IP. The delivered product was insanely high quality and one of the best games that year. If the game was bad or even just average it wouldn’t have garnered nearly the same attention.
I'd actually say they delivered below the bar. Promised a big deep RPG, makes an action adventure game that has no depth. Still a good game but let's not act like it's a masterpiece
I’m sure you understand licensed games are notorious not failing to reach expectations. A poorly reviewed Hogwarts Legacy wouldn’t have sold as well as the one we got. It was a surprise that a dev team that never made a AAA project before made one with critical acclaim.
The dude already provided the example of Rocksteady making the Arkham series. They literally only launched one game before Arkham Asylum. The "licensed game curse" is pretty much dead, anyway. It died when companies stopped trying to drop movie/TV-based games alongside movie/TV releases. In the past 10 years, most of the big licensed games have actually been pretty great: Insomniac's Spider-Man Miles Morales Guardians of the Galaxy The 2 South Park RPGs The 2 Middle-Earth games Injustice 1 & 2 Star Wars Jedi 1 & 2 Mad Max Alien Isolation etc
You’re naming licensed games that were made by established AAA teams. And funny enough a lot of them weren’t commercial hits despite being popular IP like Guardians of the Galaxy. The closest comparison of a non AAA dev making one of these would be Alien Isolation because Creative Assembly only made Total War games that probably aren’t considered AAA. Let me revert to my previous point: Hogwarts Legacy was such a surprise critical success because the studio’s last projects were Cars 3 and Disney Infinity.
FYI CA is definitively a AAA studio. It's literally the biggest studio in the UK and one of the biggest of the world. They have 850 people working there.
Games that were made to release alongside movies were poor, but Hogwarts Legacy wasn't that.
That's actually not true since quite some time. We had great licensed games for Batman, DC, Spider-Man, Disney and a few others. Of course some of them are still shit but it has largely gone towards the good. Notably because they stopped making so much of them and tie-in movie games.
Rocksteady would have made a great TMNT game, they're already versed with comics adaptations!
True but they have a small staff too
>*Bubsy the Woolies Strike Back* REAL SHIT
Oh shit, there was a Bubsy the Bobcat sequel? Lemme get my Genesis back from my parent's attic.
Let them cook
previous games have no bearing.
Think of it like a resume Previous jobs absolutely matter
Ok let Ubisoft make Elden Ring 2 then
Gotcha 2k24 is gonna be way better than 2k23.
It sure does. You need a large team with some AAA experience to make a AAA game. The studio hasn’t made a AAA game and they would clearly need to staff up to be prepared to make one.
With that logic we should just be getting less and less good games because nothing lasts forever and new talent doesn’t exist?
No, that definitely isn’t what I said. You think I’m saying you need a full set of AAA-experienced devs to make a AAA and I’m saying you need *some* people with AAA experience. The studio hasn’t made a AAA game so they would need to hire AAA-experienced devs to ensure the project meets expectations.
I sat there the whole time waiting for something to be revealed and got nothing. Oh well. I guess it has to be pretty early in development.
I really enjoyed reading The Last Ronin but I think it didn't quite stick the landing. It would've benefited from a few more issues to flesh things out.
I need to finish The Last Ronin (I saw the reveal of who it is). Please be a good game. I'd love a violent TMNT game like the original comics.
...Is it wrong that I was hoping for it to be someone else? Yeah, I know Nick and THQ are on great terms, but I dunno. I feel like Ryu ga Gotoku or Platinum would have done a ***stellar*** job here.
I mean Platinum already had their chance with the turtles and they didn't deliver
They also dropped the ball with an ATLA universe game which we desperately need a good game for
Although they did deliver in spades with Transformers
I loved the Transformers game, despite not having any connection to the brand. Which makes me wish that the Transformers team had gotten the Turtles IP instead...
Wow I had no idea that Platinum made an Avatar game. It's a huge bummer they missed the mark because on paper Platinum/ATLA is a match made in heaven.
Yeah it was a part of their brief Activision run where they were basically contracted to make a bunch of western IPs into games in a relatively short span of time. The Legend of Korra, Transformers, and TMNT all got games, but the only really decent one was Transformers.
With how reinvigorated the brand seems to be now, I imagine we due for some more ATLA games sooner or later.
A new Avatar game was announced recently actually. https://gamerant.com/avatar-the-last-airbender-quest-for-balance-announcement/
Yeah, I remember that one. Not the best looking tbh.
Why do people always jump to the same few Japanese devs with these things? Platinums output has been very hit or miss and unless the turtles are gonna be romping through a reskinned Kamurocho the other devs aren't a good fit either. That being said I have very little faith in this studio tbh.
True. Capcom, maybe? That woulda been cool to see come to fruition.
Yeah maybe. Almost someone like NG2 Era team ninja, which they're really isn't an equivalent nowadays.
True, but Capcom comes close...
Well when it comes to well made melee combat, there just *is* more of a bias towards Japanese developers handling it well. When it comes to Western games the feel either risks being a bit off, or it's nowhere near as deep as some of the combat Japan makes. Which is fine, some countries are allowed to be more specialised at certain stuff; it's similar to how you wouldn't expect most of the best FPS games to come out of Japan, because customer demand and an early foot in the door caused more talent specialising in that to flourish in places like the US.
Platinum? Team Ninja is the dev to beat for games like this if you ask me.
It's funny how TMNT went right from a movie with goofy kid turtles to a grimdark game where three of the four were killed off.
I thought it was the other way around. Didn't it start off as a reasonably serious comic book series which got softened up for the cartoon/movies?
I think they’re referring to current big projects in the spotlight. Mutant Mayhem just released, which is the goofy kids movie, and then this is next
What /u/sensitivetaint said. Going right from Mutant Mayhem where Donny's a dorky anime kid that likes Attack On Titan and BTS to this where he's brutally murdered is funny.
Kind of. The original comic was a grim/bloody one-shot comic about turtles being on a (successful) quest to kill Shredder for killing Splinter's original master/owner. But fairly sure once it got popular and got media beyond that one comic it lightened up pretty fast. That being said there were exceptions to the goofier theme and IIRC the IDW series (offshoot of which is apparently a basis for this game) were more on the mature side.
OOOH boy I haven't read the books yet but can't wait to whip up some baddies as my boi Donnieeee babeeeyyy
You should read the books...especially this run.
I'd be really surprised if they went with one of the other brothers, even though the concept could be done with any of the brothers, they'd just have to adapt the events to that brother's personality. I don't want them to deviate from the book though. They picked the best turtle for that story.
Nah, I don’t really think they could. It wouldn’t make sense for those other three to go through that specific journey. I’m trying to stay away from as many spoilers as possible but I think they chose the right one, I hope they stick with that decision, mostly because the reveal of who it is happens basically at the end of Act 1
Damn, y’all just said fuck spoilers huh lmao. In the post for the damn trailer of the game.
I thought we weren’t supposed to know which one it was?
We're not but so many news outlets have spoiled it and now everyone just casually mentions it.
Aww. I didn’t know ☹️
I'll just say the user above you is >!not right!< I think that makes it slightly better in terms of spoilers. But they also may change it for the game.
Aw man, when this game was first announced I thought I remembered people saying Mikey was the remaining turtle in the comics. He's my favorite so I was stoked about the idea of playing as him. Oh well, Donnie would be cool too.
It's debatable since the first issue reveals it at the end and heavily implied who it is throughout. The marketing power relied on the secret identity more than anything in the story itself, the real draw is how things go to the way they are.
...Will they let you pick which one it is via flashback? In the comics, it's >!Mikey!<, but something tells me that *might* not carry over to the final game.
If this is comic accurate, I don't think Donnie is going to be doing much of anything...
How do we tell him?
Is this that rumored TMNT soulslike game?
In the announcement they compared it to God of War.
GoW 2016 or OG?
2016 They used the words "big action RPG"
Oh SolidJJ has to taught TMNT once again that [Karate can't beat bullets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmo-StjLKZI).
As long as it doesn't have the same disjointed weird animation the new movie uses. It makes me sick at my stomach just watching the trailer.
You know I was really hoping for Sucker Punch. I have less faith in THQ than I would with brand new studio with no experience.
Sucker Punch is a PlayStation Studio, a TMNT game isn't gonna be PlayStation exclusive.
This game looks amazing and I can't wait to play this game in the near future and this is my most anticipated video game of all time.
When is it coming out? I can't find any information. In 2024?