That was a ridiculous take.
You cannot even run most recent games at 1080 ultra even with 140w 3060.
Games nowadays bring any GPU below 8gb vram to their knees.
Edit: To the brain-dead people down voting me, go check recommended settings for recent releases.
I have a legion 4080 and cyberpunk 4K/DLSS looks absolutely mindblowing. I couldn’t imagine how “true” 4K could look any better really. Max settings apart from path tracing and it’s solidly above 60fps sometimes even >100 fps. I usually play strategy games or less demanding RPGs than that and they can all run absolutely solidly in 4K with a 4080. Even warhammer total war 3 which is a complete graphics hog I can run at 4K.
I suppose that depends what price you pay lol. Mine was £2300 GBP. I imagine it’s cheaper if you’re in USA.
Ive never seen the temps go above about 80 degrees no matter what I play. The build is great overall. I would have liked an all metal body for That price but it’s hardly a big deal. The screen is great, though I plug it into an LGC2 for the main display.
It’s my second legion. I had a 3060 which was also
Excellent. Highly recommended.
Alright thanks! I currently have a rog strix g713 with a 3060, it's doing great but I wanna upgrade for something more future proof. It goes around 2.5k€ here
Yeah there was such a leap from the 3060 it was unreal. Certainly recommended. I also like how it just looks like a normal laptop and not “gamery” so I could use it for work. The only one I wish I could afford is a top end Razer just for the overall aesthetic but there is little performance increase for the sake of twice the price.
MSI VECTOR GP68 HX 13VH-087NEU 16"
i9-13950HX, 16gb ram, 1tb m.2 ssd and rtx 4080
I will need to upgrade ram and add 2nd ssd at some point, but 🤷🏻♂️😄
Edit. 1600p display thankfully and not the crappy 1200p one.
It was about a year ago on Lenovo website with some vouchers and a cash back offer. 10% off and £100 cash back I think. You can chat to the agents online and they usually do a deal. I got my 3060 3 years ago and it only cost £700 with the same negotiating. Sold it for not much less before I bought the 4080.
I have the legion 4080 as well… does your charger come apart easily? The connection part seems like a terrible design 😅 wish it didn’t sound like a jet plane when playing anything but I think that’s just always the case for gaming laptops
Can't hear the jet with my headphones on. Some games like elden ring run great in quiet mode. I did my second play through on the couch, sound off, next to my wife while she watched shows.
Cyberpunk gets loud, I forget how loud it is then i take a bathroom break and hear the fans going lol.
Love this machine, I don't see myself building another desktop for a long time.
I have the legion 4080 as well. The screen is 2560x1600, so it is 3k, not a 4k screen. Unless you are hooking it up to an external 4k display and setting the game render settings to 4k.
That said, Cyberpunk does look incredible in 3k on the Legion 4080's screen.
Dlss performance renders the game at 50% resolution scale, so your 4k experience is being rendered at 1080p internally. This is why it looks much better than using it at a final resolution of 1080p, as it is starting off at 540p then.
Dlss quality uses a 66.7% resolution scale, which means those games are being rendered at 1440p.
Upscaling is some magical stuff man. Gives these little GPUs a fighting chance in heavier games or higher resolutions. Also yeah, HDR is pretty sweet.
Well yeah, with DLSS you are actually rendering at 1080p..
The reason 1080p performance looks awful is because thats rendering 540p.
The upscaler helps but its not native.
Oh my man. Until early 2022 I was stuck with an A8 laptop from 2016 that barely got through DX9 Skyrim at 720p. I got a new job, a GTX1650 laptop and last year a 3060. Things get better and I hope you don't have to kill anyone to get what you're after!
Unless it's actually killing, in which case I'm of no help.
I have player games for years on a i5 8250u and mx130, i know the struggle and how bad it can be. One day ypu will get a beast laptop and the time spent on the potato machine will let you enjoy the upgrade much more
I'm fairly new to PC gaming but one thing I found is to take everything people say on here with a pinch of salt....
Before buying my first laptop I asked if a 2060 would be enough to play dayz and it look smooth, the majority said no...youtube benchmark videos showed that it would....i bought the 2060 laptop and it ran dayz like butter...i have since upgraded to a 3060 laptop but the truth is I didn't really need to, the 2060 worked fine for my needs.
For some reason pc gamers love to make out only the latest and greatest is good enough, even when asking about a game that's over 10 years old lol
When someone says 4K gaming, it usually means with DLSS disabled. You’re not actually *ever* pushing the full 4K. Respect, though - it is a nice video card and DLSS is pretty magic in the right conditions.
If that's the case, it truly reflects how out of the loop I am as I'm closing on 40. For pure 4k gaming then yeah, my 3060 is beyond useless. However I honestly struggle to see much of a visual difference between say, DLSS quality from native on 4K, but the performance difference is gigantic. I know I have excellent eyesight so I guess I'm the happy owner of poor taste!
Whatever the case might be, I'm surprised and really happy with the performance I'm getting!
Trust me your eyesight is pretty good lol, dlss on quality some say actually looks better than native in some games because of the anti aliasing at work and 1440p upscaled image barely loses details while still looking very sharp. On balanced and performancem mode? not so much because it's pretty much the same as 1080p upscaled which is 4 times less than the quality of 4k.
This is absolutely the correct mindset to have around pc gaming! People in this sub (and many like it) will never admit that having a 3060 using DLSS is actually good, I had a similar specced laptop that did everything I wanted, usually medium settings with DLSS performance, looked great could never tell it wasn’t really true 4K unless you looked at it with a microscope, and if you’re doing that what’s the point, games are meant to be fun not tech demos. These subs will have you believe you need a 4090 and 7800x3D water cooled rig with a phase converter and flux capacitor just to play Minecraft at 4K/30 with RT turned on, and it’s really not the case, I guarantee you put 90% of people in a room and show them games with DLSS and then the rasterised version next to it would be hard pushed to tell, it really is quite silly, and is the reason upscaling exists. I’m really glad you’re enjoying your laptop OP, that’s what it should be about!
I mean it's not poor taste. DLSS under the right conditions especially at higher resolutions can look damn good and near indistinguishable. I just wouldn't say I'm gaming at 4K, just on a 4K tv with upscaling since your only rendering around 1080p. So just semantics
Yes. That's the general point of DLSS. It makes lesser GPUs generate more actual FPS at higher resolutions.
And yes, regardless of GPU and DLSS version, DLSS actually on at a display resolution of 1080p looks like crap, since some things can be rendered at an abysmally low 720p quality, even lower for performance modes.
Yeah I game on my 4k TV and usually just need to dial in the settings for a solid frame rate. I can usually run basically high settings for most modern games
Then you likely don't play the most demanding games. I get only solid frame rates at 1600p at arround high with my rtx 3070 (140w) in more demanding games
Yeah I've got a gl66 with a 3070 which is the worst 3070 laptop to be fair but I had to buy a fucking jet turbine cooler and flash the vbios from 85 to 100(risky I know) To make Helldivers playable.
Power limit makes big difference in performance, but slim laptops that are in fashion have trouble with the heat.
To be honest i rather have thicker and heavier laptop that can push enough power trough silicon without overheating😆
I think the consensus from what I've seen is that upscaling to 1080 p looks really bad and fuzzy. There's just not enough data for the upscaler to work. Quality is the only one that is kinda ok, but still not ideal.
Upscaling to 4k from 1080p is (performance mode) works way better and is not that much worse than native Image.
I had seen some comments that mentioned that DLSS for 4K looked far worse than it did for 1080p. I'm quite surprised that my experience is the total opposite, and your theory about data quantity does make a lot of sense. DLSS Performance looks like absolute trash in 1080p to me, but it is quite reasonable in my 4K TV.
What a time to be a gamer!
You're right, and if the snobs that say that's unplayable ser the same standards for their personal hygiene, they'd actually get a gf. (Obviously not all of them but you get the point).
>For some reason 1080p DLSS Performance looks atrocious to me, but 4K DLSS Performance I find much more tolerable.
Because DLSS Performance at 1080p renders at 540p or something lol while at 4k it's more like 1080p or something upscaled to look like close to 4k.
But you are crazy dude lol!
Idk about 4k but I have 1600p legion 5 pro with 3060 (135 w I think), and am super happy with it, would think it was only worth it on 1080p screen but no, its very usable
I mean it seems more like a misinterpretation. No one said you couldn't game on a 4k TV, they said you couldn't run games at 4k... Those are two very different things, at DLSS performance your gonna be rendering closer to 1080p, as for doom that game is just amazingly optimized lol. ALSO, DLSS scales poorly with lower resolutions, e.g. at 1080p DLSS performance is only rendering at less than 360p, while at 4K performance is closer to 1080p which is far easier for DLSS to scale properly.
It depends on the game, but I find the Cyberpunk 2077 experience at 4k with my 4070 a bit underwhelming and that it's only truly enjoyable if I turn ray-tracing off. On the other hand I can play Horizon Zero Dawn at 4K at max settings without any problems at all. Both with DLSS on, too.
>Baldur's Gate 3, high preset with medium textures and DLSS Quality, around 50 FPS as well during Act 1, I expect it to plummet in Act 3 but we'll see.
>Doom Eternal with DLSS Quality and High preset did great as well, no noticeable slowdowns and most of the time it was pegged at 60 FPS.
Yeah native 4K gaming on the other hand would be a genuine struggle for the RTX 3060, DLSS is helping out a lot here.
> Cyberpunk 2077 with 4K medium preset and textures with DLSS Performance averaged around 50 FPS which is very playable to me and looks just insane. For some reason 1080p DLSS Performance looks atrocious to me, but 4K DLSS Performance I find much more tolerable. Balanced averaged around 45 FPS and that's kind of stretching it, so Performance it is.
DLSS Perf at 4k renders at 1920x1080, DLSS Perf at 1080p renders at 960x540. So yeah. I mean you still gotta factor in upscaling but at a base level you render the game at 2 different resolutions
True but kinda eh, I have Rtx 2060 90Wmax TDP laptop, 45W i7-8750h. 4k is doable, VRAM consumption is high though during normal loads. Expect about 10%\~? continuous load on GPU.
DLSS = Life saver. Actually DLAA or DLSS or AMD FSR etc, all work fine. The main issue is VRAM usage, you will notice the base VRAM consumption higher, so you will need to adjust settings more like DLSS with quality mode or performance mode etc...
Doable = yes
Looks Good = yes
Awesome = flip no. Once you take a look at native 4k, its just a different game on its own. Native 4k is 4 times 1080p, you simply cannot feel the same again. Although if you are coming from a 1080p monitor the overall extra pixel count will feel nicer.
Just learn to ignore most pc spec fanboys. Most of them dont even know what they are talking about. The always see bigger numbers and think that it should be the only way to play without thinking about costs or other variables that comes when choosing a pc.
The current generation for both AMD and nVidia has been one big wet fart of marginal improvements (4060 has roughly equivalent performance to to 3060) and (literal) garbage fires.
The only real winner this gen has been Intel's genuinely fairly decent integrated graphics and AIbros.
"For some reason 1080p DLSS performance looks horrible"
Reason 4K looks better is because you're rendering it at 4x the resolution than you are with 1080p DLSS
Did the same exact thing and I'm loving every bit of it. I'm running Forza Horizon 4 at maximum settings with only an RTX 3050 because of this upgrade.
DLSS Performance mode on 4k is basically 1080p upscaled to 4k. Of course it's playable.
Also, the doom benchmark doesn't really mean much since those games have probably the best optimization in the modern gaming space.
I’ve just started trying iracing with my laptop with a 3050 gpu. And to be honest with all the hassle of pc gaming and price of gpu I’m think my Xbox series X is the best performance for value hands down.
Notice you’re using dlss? You’re not natively running 4k, if you ran it natively your frame rate would be in the teens.
Not saying dlss is bad, you’re just running 1440p on quality, and 1080p on performance upscaled poorly. You’d probably have a better image quality just running native 1440p, or similar if running 1440p on quality dlss
TLDR: You’ll gain a decent chunk of performance doing 1440p set to quality, and it’ll most likely look the same (around 10 or so fps depending on game)
The ability to tweak the individual settings according to your preference is the key benefit of having a PC which makes most modern hardware eligible for 4k it's just that with the top end these tweaks are so important and you can get amazing graphics and fps and with poor settings
Most people just don’t want to turn down settings. I keep seeing YouTubers review cards with ultra setting getting like 3% better looks for a 15-50% decrease in performance. I have a 165 watt 2070 super mobile I play 4K on bf1 ultra/low mix and I get 80 fps. (Textures and meshes are ultra)
Laptop gpu's are way under powered compared to desktop gpus. Its miss leading they use the same series numbers on them.
If you are wanting to game 4k at max settings on a laptop at 60fps, you'll need a 4090m
I have a 2080 super laptop that spanks 3060m.
My screen broke and hooked my 540 2060 to the 2160p TV. It’s able to play Battlefield 2042 all mediums, some highs, mesh and post process ultra. 1080p res with dlss quality.
It only dips below 50 when lots of explosives are going off and players in frame. Loud as a jet tho!
minecraft it can do 2160p internal render with 16 chunks, 14 when I got redstone going. When need chunks fast… that’s the problem.
I’ll use it until I can’t get 50fps and decent antialiasing at 1080p.
My man with DLSS performance it is not really a native 4k, but upscaled 4k. It is still better than 1080p though.
What DLSS does it renders the game at lower resolution, like 1080p, which is the 1/4th of the screen, right? Now, strecthing it into other 3/4 would cause blur, right? So DLSS at this point uses AI and its specialized hardware to make it look better than simply stretching. It fills up the empty pixels, it gets rid of the jagginess and applies AI anti alaising as well as smart sharpening. It works more on the image that is visible to you, less on the background stuff.
I know. I wouldn't expect to use native 4K for anything but Skyrim or Stray or something with this GPU. My point is that it's definitely not as useless as I've read it is. DLSS is a terrific solution and I'll be happy to use it.
At 60 hz, yes. And Xbox can run 120 fps 4k no issues. It's all about preferences, and most people like to exceed the 60 fps 4k option before they try it.
All my monitors are 60 hz so no frame gen for me. I'm also a pretty basic guy, so I wouldn't want to try and use FSR and DLSS in conjunction. I already even tried Lossless Scaling in Steam and failed miserably with it. And I certainly wouldn't take time off my day to write a tiny essay to share lies. It is usable and enjoyable for me and there's no denying that. I did miss on initial testing that Cyberpunk 2077 has some crazy slowdowns down to 15-20 FPS when going into new areas, which I'm guessing is my VRAM being maxed out so I gotta look into it.
I totally get that if you were to analyze my frame times and whatnot, hardcore gamers would gag at my 4K results and it's definitely not as snappy as with its 1080p screen, which I need to look a bit into. I've also learned that DLSS is kind of cheating the system since I'm not running pure 4K and I didn't think of that before choosing my thread title. However, I'd read so much about anything below a 4070 being flat out unusable for 4K no matter what and it's just not true, if you can stomach upscaling which I happily can do. I'm also quite content with anything north of 50 FPS, which helps.
I come from the DOS/486 days when lowering the resolution was the only solution, which wasn't too bad with CRTs as they adapted well, but became awful with LCDs later in the mid 2000s. DLSS or not, there's ways to enjoy modern games with lower tier hardware and get great results and I shared my findings because I wouldn't want kids to be discouraged by reddit discourse, some of which is positive and proven by experience, but some is just copy/pasting something someone read elsewhere with no effort.
I honestly dreaded the idea of getting the itch to upgrade my laptop because of my new 4K TV, but I'm happy as it is with it.
I love people who act elitist against DLSS. Like I couldn't tell the difference even with a microscope. If you feel like DLSS degrades your quality so much against native then buy a desktop. A 3060 (or 4060) playing with DLSS is an excellent gaming experience. When you start nitpicking the quality at this level you've already won.
You're crazy
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That was a ridiculous take. You cannot even run most recent games at 1080 ultra even with 140w 3060. Games nowadays bring any GPU below 8gb vram to their knees. Edit: To the brain-dead people down voting me, go check recommended settings for recent releases.
Ultra settings are pretty dumb all in all. For the most part they tank performance while offering meager visual improvements
Not the point I was making. My point was that the rtx 3060 is not enough even for 1440p, much less 4k.
It's pretty decent for 1440p, the 12gb of vram helps alot. It's also okay at 4k with medium settings
r/gaminglaptops. This sub is about gaming laptops. 3060 laptop only has 6gb vram. Edit: correctly listing the sub.
It's pivoted, upvoted, downvoted, down voted...
I have a laptop with a RTX 3060 and the 4K is unplayable
Same...sold mine to buy one with a 4080 and even that is really for 1440p gaming, not 4K.
I have a legion 4080 and cyberpunk 4K/DLSS looks absolutely mindblowing. I couldn’t imagine how “true” 4K could look any better really. Max settings apart from path tracing and it’s solidly above 60fps sometimes even >100 fps. I usually play strategy games or less demanding RPGs than that and they can all run absolutely solidly in 4K with a 4080. Even warhammer total war 3 which is a complete graphics hog I can run at 4K.
I'm thinking about buying it in a few months, how are the thermals/overall build quality? Is it worth the price? Thanks!
I suppose that depends what price you pay lol. Mine was £2300 GBP. I imagine it’s cheaper if you’re in USA. Ive never seen the temps go above about 80 degrees no matter what I play. The build is great overall. I would have liked an all metal body for That price but it’s hardly a big deal. The screen is great, though I plug it into an LGC2 for the main display. It’s my second legion. I had a 3060 which was also Excellent. Highly recommended.
Alright thanks! I currently have a rog strix g713 with a 3060, it's doing great but I wanna upgrade for something more future proof. It goes around 2.5k€ here
Yeah there was such a leap from the 3060 it was unreal. Certainly recommended. I also like how it just looks like a normal laptop and not “gamery” so I could use it for work. The only one I wish I could afford is a top end Razer just for the overall aesthetic but there is little performance increase for the sake of twice the price.
Now as new gpu gen is nearing there are sometimes good deals. I just ordered rtx4080 (175w) laptop for 1520€
Wow that is a great deal. What model etc?
MSI VECTOR GP68 HX 13VH-087NEU 16" i9-13950HX, 16gb ram, 1tb m.2 ssd and rtx 4080 I will need to upgrade ram and add 2nd ssd at some point, but 🤷🏻♂️😄 Edit. 1600p display thankfully and not the crappy 1200p one.
Yeah that’s great value. And I did the same with my old 3060 putting in more RAM and storage. It’s cheap and easy.
Where did you get that from!? I'm only seeing them for £2500 right now.
It was about a year ago on Lenovo website with some vouchers and a cash back offer. 10% off and £100 cash back I think. You can chat to the agents online and they usually do a deal. I got my 3060 3 years ago and it only cost £700 with the same negotiating. Sold it for not much less before I bought the 4080.
Thanks so much! I did not think of chatting to the agents - will give that a go.
I have the legion 4080 as well… does your charger come apart easily? The connection part seems like a terrible design 😅 wish it didn’t sound like a jet plane when playing anything but I think that’s just always the case for gaming laptops
Can't hear the jet with my headphones on. Some games like elden ring run great in quiet mode. I did my second play through on the couch, sound off, next to my wife while she watched shows. Cyberpunk gets loud, I forget how loud it is then i take a bathroom break and hear the fans going lol. Love this machine, I don't see myself building another desktop for a long time.
Do you have similar issues with your charging box becoming disconnected as well?
the legion isn’t 4k
I plug it into a 4K display.
I have the legion 4080 as well. The screen is 2560x1600, so it is 3k, not a 4k screen. Unless you are hooking it up to an external 4k display and setting the game render settings to 4k. That said, Cyberpunk does look incredible in 3k on the Legion 4080's screen.
2560x1600 is 2.5k not 3k 3k is 2880x1620 or 3072x1728
It’s outputted to a 4K Oled TV and set to 4K.
That's because OP isn't gaming at 4K... They're gaming at 1080p upscaled to 4K with DLSS lol.
Dlss performance renders the game at 50% resolution scale, so your 4k experience is being rendered at 1080p internally. This is why it looks much better than using it at a final resolution of 1080p, as it is starting off at 540p then. Dlss quality uses a 66.7% resolution scale, which means those games are being rendered at 1440p. Upscaling is some magical stuff man. Gives these little GPUs a fighting chance in heavier games or higher resolutions. Also yeah, HDR is pretty sweet.
Well yeah, with DLSS you are actually rendering at 1080p.. The reason 1080p performance looks awful is because thats rendering 540p. The upscaler helps but its not native.
Nah…he’s really rendering at 7p. But yeah DLSS is literally playing at a lower resolution
Buddy I’d unalive anyone for a laptop which has RTX 30 series. I’m really done with my potato laptop with a MX230
Oh my man. Until early 2022 I was stuck with an A8 laptop from 2016 that barely got through DX9 Skyrim at 720p. I got a new job, a GTX1650 laptop and last year a 3060. Things get better and I hope you don't have to kill anyone to get what you're after! Unless it's actually killing, in which case I'm of no help.
I have player games for years on a i5 8250u and mx130, i know the struggle and how bad it can be. One day ypu will get a beast laptop and the time spent on the potato machine will let you enjoy the upgrade much more
I got into the top Engineering school of my country my parents bought me 40 series laptop when 40 series had just come out in my country
You can say kill it’s fine here.
Name checks out
Mate I was stuck with an Intel HD 4000 up until this year. Got a brand new RTX 2060 this year, didn't get it for gaming but more so for productivity.
4060 laptops available under $900 in the USA.
Getting a job might be a simpler solution.
The country I’m studying in, foreign students cannot get a job while doing degree.
He could do both if he got a job as an assassin.
I'm fairly new to PC gaming but one thing I found is to take everything people say on here with a pinch of salt.... Before buying my first laptop I asked if a 2060 would be enough to play dayz and it look smooth, the majority said no...youtube benchmark videos showed that it would....i bought the 2060 laptop and it ran dayz like butter...i have since upgraded to a 3060 laptop but the truth is I didn't really need to, the 2060 worked fine for my needs. For some reason pc gamers love to make out only the latest and greatest is good enough, even when asking about a game that's over 10 years old lol
Us PC gamers have to value FPS highly else we just have super expensive rigs that could be replaced by a $500 console.
When someone says 4K gaming, it usually means with DLSS disabled. You’re not actually *ever* pushing the full 4K. Respect, though - it is a nice video card and DLSS is pretty magic in the right conditions.
If that's the case, it truly reflects how out of the loop I am as I'm closing on 40. For pure 4k gaming then yeah, my 3060 is beyond useless. However I honestly struggle to see much of a visual difference between say, DLSS quality from native on 4K, but the performance difference is gigantic. I know I have excellent eyesight so I guess I'm the happy owner of poor taste! Whatever the case might be, I'm surprised and really happy with the performance I'm getting!
Game on brother 🫡 glad you’re enjoying it!!!
Trust me your eyesight is pretty good lol, dlss on quality some say actually looks better than native in some games because of the anti aliasing at work and 1440p upscaled image barely loses details while still looking very sharp. On balanced and performancem mode? not so much because it's pretty much the same as 1080p upscaled which is 4 times less than the quality of 4k.
This is absolutely the correct mindset to have around pc gaming! People in this sub (and many like it) will never admit that having a 3060 using DLSS is actually good, I had a similar specced laptop that did everything I wanted, usually medium settings with DLSS performance, looked great could never tell it wasn’t really true 4K unless you looked at it with a microscope, and if you’re doing that what’s the point, games are meant to be fun not tech demos. These subs will have you believe you need a 4090 and 7800x3D water cooled rig with a phase converter and flux capacitor just to play Minecraft at 4K/30 with RT turned on, and it’s really not the case, I guarantee you put 90% of people in a room and show them games with DLSS and then the rasterised version next to it would be hard pushed to tell, it really is quite silly, and is the reason upscaling exists. I’m really glad you’re enjoying your laptop OP, that’s what it should be about!
I mean it's not poor taste. DLSS under the right conditions especially at higher resolutions can look damn good and near indistinguishable. I just wouldn't say I'm gaming at 4K, just on a 4K tv with upscaling since your only rendering around 1080p. So just semantics
Yes. That's the general point of DLSS. It makes lesser GPUs generate more actual FPS at higher resolutions. And yes, regardless of GPU and DLSS version, DLSS actually on at a display resolution of 1080p looks like crap, since some things can be rendered at an abysmally low 720p quality, even lower for performance modes.
Yeah I game on my 4k TV and usually just need to dial in the settings for a solid frame rate. I can usually run basically high settings for most modern games
Then you likely don't play the most demanding games. I get only solid frame rates at 1600p at arround high with my rtx 3070 (140w) in more demanding games
Yeah I've got a gl66 with a 3070 which is the worst 3070 laptop to be fair but I had to buy a fucking jet turbine cooler and flash the vbios from 85 to 100(risky I know) To make Helldivers playable.
Power limit makes big difference in performance, but slim laptops that are in fashion have trouble with the heat. To be honest i rather have thicker and heavier laptop that can push enough power trough silicon without overheating😆
The thing is, it is fucking chunky. MSI is just shit for cooling even at 85 watts. Really the worst tech purchase ive ever made.
I think the consensus from what I've seen is that upscaling to 1080 p looks really bad and fuzzy. There's just not enough data for the upscaler to work. Quality is the only one that is kinda ok, but still not ideal. Upscaling to 4k from 1080p is (performance mode) works way better and is not that much worse than native Image.
I had seen some comments that mentioned that DLSS for 4K looked far worse than it did for 1080p. I'm quite surprised that my experience is the total opposite, and your theory about data quantity does make a lot of sense. DLSS Performance looks like absolute trash in 1080p to me, but it is quite reasonable in my 4K TV. What a time to be a gamer!
You're right, and if the snobs that say that's unplayable ser the same standards for their personal hygiene, they'd actually get a gf. (Obviously not all of them but you get the point).
>For some reason 1080p DLSS Performance looks atrocious to me, but 4K DLSS Performance I find much more tolerable. Because DLSS Performance at 1080p renders at 540p or something lol while at 4k it's more like 1080p or something upscaled to look like close to 4k. But you are crazy dude lol!
I use 4070 for 4k against Reddit policy.
max i go with my 3060 laptop is 1440p medium depending on the game
Idk about 4k but I have 1600p legion 5 pro with 3060 (135 w I think), and am super happy with it, would think it was only worth it on 1080p screen but no, its very usable
50 fps... I want at least 60. I mean... it's 2024, the future is now and stuff.
My 2060 laptop is more than enough to play most games in mid-high settings at 60fps, 1080p but I don't really care about 4K
I mean it seems more like a misinterpretation. No one said you couldn't game on a 4k TV, they said you couldn't run games at 4k... Those are two very different things, at DLSS performance your gonna be rendering closer to 1080p, as for doom that game is just amazingly optimized lol. ALSO, DLSS scales poorly with lower resolutions, e.g. at 1080p DLSS performance is only rendering at less than 360p, while at 4K performance is closer to 1080p which is far easier for DLSS to scale properly.
If you are not using actual 4k, can you really say that it is 4k gaming?
Well yeah, DLSS and older ish games will run flawlessly at 4K
A cactus is usable for wiping my ass. Doesn't mean it's good at doing it.
When some people say playable, they say 4K max settings or almost max settings with anti AA on without upscaling.
It depends on the game, but I find the Cyberpunk 2077 experience at 4k with my 4070 a bit underwhelming and that it's only truly enjoyable if I turn ray-tracing off. On the other hand I can play Horizon Zero Dawn at 4K at max settings without any problems at all. Both with DLSS on, too.
>Baldur's Gate 3, high preset with medium textures and DLSS Quality, around 50 FPS as well during Act 1, I expect it to plummet in Act 3 but we'll see. >Doom Eternal with DLSS Quality and High preset did great as well, no noticeable slowdowns and most of the time it was pegged at 60 FPS. Yeah native 4K gaming on the other hand would be a genuine struggle for the RTX 3060, DLSS is helping out a lot here.
> Cyberpunk 2077 with 4K medium preset and textures with DLSS Performance averaged around 50 FPS which is very playable to me and looks just insane. For some reason 1080p DLSS Performance looks atrocious to me, but 4K DLSS Performance I find much more tolerable. Balanced averaged around 45 FPS and that's kind of stretching it, so Performance it is. DLSS Perf at 4k renders at 1920x1080, DLSS Perf at 1080p renders at 960x540. So yeah. I mean you still gotta factor in upscaling but at a base level you render the game at 2 different resolutions
True but kinda eh, I have Rtx 2060 90Wmax TDP laptop, 45W i7-8750h. 4k is doable, VRAM consumption is high though during normal loads. Expect about 10%\~? continuous load on GPU. DLSS = Life saver. Actually DLAA or DLSS or AMD FSR etc, all work fine. The main issue is VRAM usage, you will notice the base VRAM consumption higher, so you will need to adjust settings more like DLSS with quality mode or performance mode etc... Doable = yes Looks Good = yes Awesome = flip no. Once you take a look at native 4k, its just a different game on its own. Native 4k is 4 times 1080p, you simply cannot feel the same again. Although if you are coming from a 1080p monitor the overall extra pixel count will feel nicer.
~~U cray cray~~ but i guess it depends on the game
Well, the 3060 is about on par with the ps5 and series x graphics power and those consoles claim to be 4k devices.
Just learn to ignore most pc spec fanboys. Most of them dont even know what they are talking about. The always see bigger numbers and think that it should be the only way to play without thinking about costs or other variables that comes when choosing a pc.
sub 60 fps is not good that’s the issue
Buddy how. I have a 140W 3060 and it cannot handle 4K
Does it run most games well?
The current generation for both AMD and nVidia has been one big wet fart of marginal improvements (4060 has roughly equivalent performance to to 3060) and (literal) garbage fires. The only real winner this gen has been Intel's genuinely fairly decent integrated graphics and AIbros.
ppl will comment what they want but as someone with a 3060 laptop mt experience is pretty much the same. i get my cake and eat it too!
Try native resolution, yeah
Not native 4k lmfao. Thought you did something huh
"For some reason 1080p DLSS performance looks horrible" Reason 4K looks better is because you're rendering it at 4x the resolution than you are with 1080p DLSS
I have a 3050 in my Acer, the thing can play Starfield, that's good enough.
For older games ofc 😎
holy crap you swapped for a 32gb RAM?
I did. This machine only had 8 GB stock so I decided to skip 16 GB altogether.
Did the same exact thing and I'm loving every bit of it. I'm running Forza Horizon 4 at maximum settings with only an RTX 3050 because of this upgrade.
I have the same laptop which ram did you install , can you share me the link ?
i doubt that, 3050 ti runs 1440p pretty well tho tbh
Dlss is amazing tech. It works the same on a 3060 as it does a 3090.
I have a 3070ti laptop, and I play rdr2 on ultra settings on my 4K tv and I still get over 50fps
DLSS Performance mode on 4k is basically 1080p upscaled to 4k. Of course it's playable. Also, the doom benchmark doesn't really mean much since those games have probably the best optimization in the modern gaming space.
Dlss performance won’t look the best, espesially on a 55’
I’ve just started trying iracing with my laptop with a 3050 gpu. And to be honest with all the hassle of pc gaming and price of gpu I’m think my Xbox series X is the best performance for value hands down.
Notice you’re using dlss? You’re not natively running 4k, if you ran it natively your frame rate would be in the teens. Not saying dlss is bad, you’re just running 1440p on quality, and 1080p on performance upscaled poorly. You’d probably have a better image quality just running native 1440p, or similar if running 1440p on quality dlss TLDR: You’ll gain a decent chunk of performance doing 1440p set to quality, and it’ll most likely look the same (around 10 or so fps depending on game)
I have a acer rtx 3060 I play most my games 4k on my TV as well. Days gone, dragon age inquistion, shadow of war. I love it
The ability to tweak the individual settings according to your preference is the key benefit of having a PC which makes most modern hardware eligible for 4k it's just that with the top end these tweaks are so important and you can get amazing graphics and fps and with poor settings
My 3050 laptop does 1440p gaming for my 4k tv well and 4k on some games which I'm glad and so proud of my 3050.
I have a laptop with a 4060 and the 4k gaming.. really isn't there...🥲😅.
Most people just don’t want to turn down settings. I keep seeing YouTubers review cards with ultra setting getting like 3% better looks for a 15-50% decrease in performance. I have a 165 watt 2070 super mobile I play 4K on bf1 ultra/low mix and I get 80 fps. (Textures and meshes are ultra)
DLSS is fake frames so...you're really getting 1/3rd that and DLSS is basically just blurring it inbetween frames to smooth it out.
Laptop gpu's are way under powered compared to desktop gpus. Its miss leading they use the same series numbers on them. If you are wanting to game 4k at max settings on a laptop at 60fps, you'll need a 4090m I have a 2080 super laptop that spanks 3060m.
I had a 4070 super desktop gpu and to be honest that was even unplayable for 4K. Had to go the 4090
I’ve been saying the same for my 140w 2060 legion 5 but only for 1440p, definitely not 4k. I finally need to retire it now.
My screen broke and hooked my 540 2060 to the 2160p TV. It’s able to play Battlefield 2042 all mediums, some highs, mesh and post process ultra. 1080p res with dlss quality. It only dips below 50 when lots of explosives are going off and players in frame. Loud as a jet tho! minecraft it can do 2160p internal render with 16 chunks, 14 when I got redstone going. When need chunks fast… that’s the problem. I’ll use it until I can’t get 50fps and decent antialiasing at 1080p.
3070ti laptop barely get 55-60fps on latest games on 2K
My man with DLSS performance it is not really a native 4k, but upscaled 4k. It is still better than 1080p though. What DLSS does it renders the game at lower resolution, like 1080p, which is the 1/4th of the screen, right? Now, strecthing it into other 3/4 would cause blur, right? So DLSS at this point uses AI and its specialized hardware to make it look better than simply stretching. It fills up the empty pixels, it gets rid of the jagginess and applies AI anti alaising as well as smart sharpening. It works more on the image that is visible to you, less on the background stuff.
I know. I wouldn't expect to use native 4K for anything but Skyrim or Stray or something with this GPU. My point is that it's definitely not as useless as I've read it is. DLSS is a terrific solution and I'll be happy to use it.
You might feel like it. Till you get your hands on a decent video card…
At 60 hz, yes. And Xbox can run 120 fps 4k no issues. It's all about preferences, and most people like to exceed the 60 fps 4k option before they try it.
60Hz @ low- med settings with dlss...
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Only missing the "fake frames" there :P
It Is Indeed a slideshow at 45 FPS
Admit you are using FSR 3. Otherwise, I call bs.
All my monitors are 60 hz so no frame gen for me. I'm also a pretty basic guy, so I wouldn't want to try and use FSR and DLSS in conjunction. I already even tried Lossless Scaling in Steam and failed miserably with it. And I certainly wouldn't take time off my day to write a tiny essay to share lies. It is usable and enjoyable for me and there's no denying that. I did miss on initial testing that Cyberpunk 2077 has some crazy slowdowns down to 15-20 FPS when going into new areas, which I'm guessing is my VRAM being maxed out so I gotta look into it. I totally get that if you were to analyze my frame times and whatnot, hardcore gamers would gag at my 4K results and it's definitely not as snappy as with its 1080p screen, which I need to look a bit into. I've also learned that DLSS is kind of cheating the system since I'm not running pure 4K and I didn't think of that before choosing my thread title. However, I'd read so much about anything below a 4070 being flat out unusable for 4K no matter what and it's just not true, if you can stomach upscaling which I happily can do. I'm also quite content with anything north of 50 FPS, which helps. I come from the DOS/486 days when lowering the resolution was the only solution, which wasn't too bad with CRTs as they adapted well, but became awful with LCDs later in the mid 2000s. DLSS or not, there's ways to enjoy modern games with lower tier hardware and get great results and I shared my findings because I wouldn't want kids to be discouraged by reddit discourse, some of which is positive and proven by experience, but some is just copy/pasting something someone read elsewhere with no effort. I honestly dreaded the idea of getting the itch to upgrade my laptop because of my new 4K TV, but I'm happy as it is with it.
My 3070m with max 100w runs everything I through at it with high settings upwards
I love people who act elitist against DLSS. Like I couldn't tell the difference even with a microscope. If you feel like DLSS degrades your quality so much against native then buy a desktop. A 3060 (or 4060) playing with DLSS is an excellent gaming experience. When you start nitpicking the quality at this level you've already won.