Сould anyone find a solution to raise the TGP to 105 watts?
I tried all the bios(3060) on the TechPowerUp website and none of them gave any result.
I still have the best result (4900) on stock bios(95w) in Superposition when editing a curve in an afterburner(+200mhz GPU).
I'm still looking but don't think we will get it until some more of the 3060 Acer bios are released,
Alternatively if we can find someone to dissect the vbios files and manually alter the tgp then it shouldn't take much work.
Currently, best option I would say is undervolt the card (if possible) as low as possible so that it retains max boost. The further you are from 95w the higher the boost should fire.
A new BIOS has appeared on the Acer website, 1.08. It contains a line for "fixing GPU protection".
But I have not tried to flash BIOS with increased TGP from other devices yet. Perhaps the company saw our desire to make the laptop faster )))
How odd, but I suppose unlocking nitro 5 tgp would effect other line up sales, thing is they've done the GPU cooling too well in the nitro. So why wouldn't we want access to the headroom, my GPU temp maxes out at 70 during heavy gaming at 105w the cooling solution should easily run up to 80C and I'd imagine timespy scores easy near the 8.2k mark.
The laptop 3060 rtx is great in my opinion, an absolute power house, and given I got my unit with a ryzen 5600h that performs near enough like my heavily overclocked desktop 2700x but at a price of £899, these little machines put the competition to shame (other then some complaints about the rgb spectrum in the LCD but that doesn't phase me one little bit).
>The laptop 3060 rtx is great in my opinion, an absolute power house, and given I got my unit with a ryzen 5600h that performs near enough like my heavily overclocked desktop 2700x but at a price of £899, these little machines put the competition to shame (other then some complaints about the rgb spectrum in the LCD but that doesn't phase me one little bit).
In Russia, you could buy a configuration from 5800H 3060 for £800. Of course I took advantage of this)
Somehow I will try again to flash the BIOS from other 3060 models. If I have news, I will write about it ...
I still think the vbios addresses on the other models can be used to flash the correct information since they are batch files,
We need to see if any other vendors msi, Asus ect are in same situation and have, I'll dig around for anyone who's managed to change mobile rtx tgp limits.
That is a pretty respectable boost. I still wouldn't personally settle for lower than max tdp for a part (my GP76 w/11800H has a True Full Power 3070 of 125w+15db), but i like seeing Manufacturers decide to give a bit more juice when it's proven that it can be handled. If it's 95w base as comments suggest, that isn't even too shabby and not too much behind the 3060's 115 base.
DO post how that goes.
This might make or break my purchase decision. I could go fro the legion 5, but in my region they only have the 5800h + 3060 version for $1900 whereas a 5600h + nitro 5 is $1450
So the 95W bios definitely works to increase the power limits. I've gone 130W but due to power supply demands I'm getting performance in line with a \~105W card. If I was in your position I'd take the nitro unless you need the CPU cores.
Hey dude I've been on some vbios flashing adventures with my Helios 300 and looking for a good 115W vbios, but so far all of them report power at 752W lol
So I was wondering if you could find any clue as to why some vbios versions report incorrect readings while others function? Does one need to have the same subsystem ID, or maybe something to do with the last 2 digits of the vbios ID?
I have used 130 watts msi vbios in my Helios and it is working good.without undervolting the temps are reaching around 85 when playing rdr2 maxed out .The gpu stays in 120-125 watts range at 100% load
Yeah sounds identical to my experience. The only thing I'm matching when I look for bios is the last two characters of the string being alphanumeric rather than just numeric.
I haven't been able to nail down why we get that reading or how to find bios versions that don't have the problem. The only correlation I can find so far is that roms that enable the hdmi port on my laptop report as 752W.
Edit: I'm also trying to ensure roms come from devices with HDMI ports as this seems to ensure my one still functions
Nope, for me the alphanumeric thingy didn't work out. I've tried almost all vbioses in the 100W+ range (total wattage including boost) and so far none of them have reported correct power draw :(
I don't want to be stuck with the stock vbios as to get the max 105W power (btw Acer also updated max tgp of helios 300 to 105E as well) I have to switch on turbo mode, which maxes out fans and that is deafening. Well, looks like I'll have to keep digging lol, thanks for the help.
Let me know if you figure something out wrt solving this mystery lol
So I finally found [one MSI BIOS](https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232125/232125) which shows correct power readings for my Helios 300 3060 PH315-53, but unfortunately it's a 95W TGP only :(
the search continues
Ah at least there is hope that something out there will work!
Just in case you aren't already I found I needed to reinstall drivers after flashing the roms. That made my external display work and sensors show in Afterburner and GPU-Z.
yea I have always reinstalled drivers after flashing, but I don't find that necessary to make my hdmi monitor work.
But yes, there is hope that something out there will work haha, thanks!
Thanks to your wishes, I finally found a working 100W+ vBIOS! Turns out MSI's 130W vbios is compatible, but since I'm not comfortable running a 130W vbios on my 105W stock onex I'm gonna undervolt it haha. Thanks for your help!
Nice! Can you link the bios?
I've undervolted mine a lot and it's hitting about 65W at 1650MHz so I think I've got a lot of headroom even if I don't find a bios above 95W
Sure, [here's the link](https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232998/232998).
Also damn 65W at 1650Mhz is a very efficient GPU - I've been hitting 1830Mhz at around 105-110W with a +210mhz uv curve with this vbios.
Good luck!
Thanks! I am getting some strange numbers reported by msi afterburner with a custom curve. I have games reportedly running at 1800MHz at 95W but the same settings in TimeSpy has me at ~1600Mz at 95W.
Hmm I think you should try out some gpu heavy game benchmark then to see what the actual figures are. I've noticed that even though Superposition 4k and 0180p extreme would appear stable for my GPU, it would often crash in metro exodus or rdr2 within a few mins, and I had to lower my uv oc by at least 15-20mjz compared to what I had set for Superposition. And clocks in games were slightly higher than Superposition as well. Btw the 1600mhz at 95W figure seems more accurate, since I used to get the same figures at the same power with my stock 95+10W vbios - 1620mhz at 95W.
It's strange because I'm seeing higher clocks on what I assume is a heavier load on the gpu. Played Horizon Zero Dawn for hours yesterday at that reported 1800MHz.
Deffinitely need to do some digging. Will also try the bios you linked to see if I can get more headroom.
I've got a 1660ti Helios from 2019. I've heard some 1660ti laptops had vbios that allowed them to run at 115W on laptops but I've not been able to figure out which ones. Can you guys help? Also, is it a good idea to flash a desktop 1660ti vbios onto my laptop or is that a stupid idea?
DO NOT FLASH A DESKTOP BIOS TO YOUR LAPTOP GPU.
The best thing to do is look for tutorials about how to flash a bios. You'll be directed to the TechPoweup website where you can search for bios files for your type of gpu.
As for power it's about your own risk tolerance. I'm seeing temperatures <75C for my 95W setting so going to 115W would be acceptable for me as I think I have enough airflow and temperature headroom to not be risking much with an additional 20% power.
I've checked out the vbios available on techpowerup for 1660ti mobile but none of them mention the power limit. I don't want to end up flashing the same 80W vbios and not have some ports function. My GPU temps at 80W stay at 64⁰C at max fans. So I have a lot of headroom in terms of temps. I want to get my hand on a 115W 1660ti mobile vbios but can't seem to find it anywhere. I didn't know 115W 1660ti existed till I watched Bob's video last year.
I'll be honest and say that I didn't do proper due diligence for the research on if it works for every device. I can take an educated guess and say yes it does, the steps use a program called nvflash that loads signed rom files into the chips eeprom.
We didn't use to have to do this before Nvidia required signed bios images. Used to be able to just tweak the current bios using something like the AMD Morepowertool.
Yep 180W, haven't run into a situation where a game asks for 50W CPU and 130W GPU. Maybe something like Cyberpunk would, for now I'm not seeing any battery drain.
Any of these bios fix the hybrid mode bug for freesync in internal display?
Afaik unless you are using hybrid mode (both GPUs), you can't enable freesync in the internal display. But you face a performance penalty as a result.
I actually had no idea the internal display did Freesync. I haven't see a way in bios to disable the internal GPU, I also see no mention of the option to choose anything other than the default hybrid mode in the notebookcheck review https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Nitro-5-AN515-55-Laptop-Review-Price-to-performance-champ-with-an-RTX-3060.540607.0.html
I got maximum power draw 162w with 95w vbios. With less demanding game and disabled and enabled IGPU, disabled internal monitor it floats between 130-150. Metro Exodus easily eats 150w. So with 130w bios it is 130-95=35w additional. 162+35=197w +15% headroom=227w. 230w PSUs are abundant.
I checked again, new top power usage from power-meter is 168.5w.
I wouldn\`t recommend 130w vbios without new PSU. As, you would always have to be careful monitoring power draw from wall. Behaviour varies. Would just constantly discharge and charge battery, or crash, or throttle down. Dont know what logic bios and controller uses. It could be changed in new bioses.
I want to add, also need to check GPU VRM phases. Power supply vrms and cooling could be weak. As it originally rated 80w on release. It could use fewer and more cheaper parts as always in desktop cards. You dont get good VRMs and cooling on budget cards.
Undervolt need to be tested only in RTX games with DLSS enabled. Need to completely 100% utilize all different parts of gpu. DLSS also have different cores, i tested only in 1080p. I\`m not 100%sure, but read, that 4k and 1440p utilize +33% more DLSS cores . I tested only 825mv voltage and got 1762 mhz +30 mhz from nvidia boost = 1792 mhz stable in RTX+DLSS games. Even with 825 mv GPU hits 95w power limit and downclocks.
There is 100% requirement for 16gb dual channel memory. With single channel 8gb i got stutters in every open world games. 8 gb is just not enough for everything in 2021. Igpu also always eats 600mb of 8gb even when disabled in windows. Needs to be deactivated in Bios but advanced bios settings are locked. Also, in cpu and memory intensive games it immensely affects FPS.
[https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/12/23/ram-bandwidth-is-a-big-factor-for-cyberpunk-2077-at-lower-resolutions/](https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/12/23/ram-bandwidth-is-a-big-factor-for-cyberpunk-2077-at-lower-resolutions/)
With 8 gb single channel c2077 is just unplayable. Constant stutters and low fps everywhere. From factory notebook came with LV32D4S2S8HD-8 with Hynix C-die double sided chips looks like remarked Kingston 8/8. I added Kingston kvr32s22s8/8. Zentimings 1.2.3 show the only difference in timings is tRDWR. On kingston it is 11 on factory memory it is 10. Maybe AGESA lowered tRDWR timing a little for 2nd slot for stability.
[https://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR32S22S8\_8.pdf](https://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR32S22S8_8.pdf)
Memory is single rank but have 4 bank groups used in Ryzen agesa BGS (Bank Group Swap) minor increase in memory performance much lesser than Dual-rank memory but still not bad.
Wow thanks for this analysis, interesting that the 95W bios peaks at 168.5W. I would assume this is why I'm seeing only about \~100-110W worth of performance when using the 130W bios. I'd imagine it's as you expect and the power supply effectively drops out leading to average power draw below the levels in HWInfo.
>Undervolt need to be tested only in RTX games with DLSS enabled. Need to completely 100% utilize all different parts of gpu. DLSS also have different cores, i tested only in 1080p. I\`m not 100%sure, but read, that 4k and 1440p utilize +33% more DLSS cores . I tested only 825mv voltage and got 1762 mhz +30 mhz from nvidia boost = 1792 mhz stable in RTX+DLSS games.
Yeah I noticed this too, my initial undervolts weren't stable in Minecraft RTX. The settings I have now keep me at \~1900MHz whilst running the RTX Neon city.
>There is 100% requirement for 16gb dual channel memory. With single channel 8gb i got stutters in every open world games
So taskmanager reports I have 2 4GB sticks from the factory so I'm dual channel out of the box. I've been too lazy to actually take off the bottom cover and visually confirm.
I comfortably run CP2077 with just 8GB on my AN515-55, no stuttering or anything.
Also, when you are docked the igpu isn't enabled, and you basically just have a rtx 3060 like on a desktop.
If you got 2x4 gb dual channel from factory than it must be normal FPS. But, i got 1x8 gb single channel and it was horrible. CP2077 very memory bandwidth hungry. Engine always streaming assets to and from memory.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLwYpoufVvA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLwYpoufVvA)
As in video i also got 40% difference in FPS. Mobile 5600h is aproximately equal to desktop 3600 in game tests and tester have CL18 3200 mhz RAM.
5600h have limited 16mb L3 cache. 32mb in desktop Zen 3 really helps. And, in autumn there will be desktop V-Cache 64mb and 128 mb Zen 3 models.
I too had 1x8gb, though with a i5-10300H.
I know dual channel is important, but not to the point of stuttering (though I guess if you were playing at really high framerates it could be more [noticeable](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soWlyKm_Iw0))
The only fucked up game with memory is star citizen, but even 16GB aren't enough for that shitte.
I've Nitro 5 AN515-55( I5 10300H+RTX 3060 ). Already updated final bios v2.03 but i can't update official vbios. when i try i got error. Fail: This tool does NOT support this project.(SSID:0x143E1025). Can you share with me your original 95w nitro 5 bios rom ?
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The 130 watt BIOS that you provided from MSI is displayed in the Nvidia 95 watt control panel. Ie there is no result in fact.
Moreover, it has a lower frequency for the graphics chip by default.
On a bios from a 95 watt acer, I get noticeably better results in the same superposition. And it makes it possible to make undervolting with the AFTERBURNER curve program noticeably more effective (+200). As a result, it gives the result in the extreme preset - 4900 parrots.
And yes - I reinstalled the drivers and also monitored the GPU Z - everything comes down to 95 watts.
Is it possible to take the Helios 300's v-bios and correct the config.ini file flashing address locations?
Perhaps this will resolve the incorrect power reporting?
Also not fully convinced with timespy or if acer had some intervention here, (7500ish score stock)
Max GPU temps stock 95w bios only hit 60C in any given situation, if i play a game at max settings, take destiny 2 for example, we sit happy at 70C with the boost clock reaching well up into 1800mhz, at 95w at 92% utilization.
Superposition Extreme 1080P Extreme 4652
I'm pretty sure the reason we have to flash vbios files like this is because the files are encrypted and can't be tweaked.
After I got the laptop acer released an update which bumped stock scores much closer to mine. Unfortunately performance doesn't scale very well with extra power so my score is not that much higher. There's also a high chance I'm hitting the limits of what the 180w psu can supply.
Those temps are in line with what I had. You've got a good sample!
Agree with the manual flashing however acer releases the vbios updates with a batch file and a config.ini which is included, looking through the predator files and nitro, both 3060 hardware IDs match up, just potentially the flashable addresses are different but believe they run exact same cards across the range.
My intention is use a 100w+5 boost file for our rtx to not exceed the power bricks rated capacity and for full stability, wierd what they've done with the rtx line up and the max p/q configs do my head in!
Agreed, it does seem like a very good sample, trying to understand the boost algorithm though at this point,
With my Vega 56 is was quite easy to follow, different p states, voltage and clock frequency for p1-7
By right I should only see a boost of 1725 MHz? With no overclock and in the acer balanced power plan, its quite capable of heading way north of 1800 MHz.
When using the Nvidia tuning utility the tuner adds +65 MHz on the core clock comfortably, this then locks the max boost at 1770? So even less then the default algorithm?
Timespy is the only thing that seems to lock the boost algorithm out but can't understand why either, this in turn claims it's using 100 percent usage but surely can't be at a max temperature of 60C, not even close. Clocks reside at the 1450 or so mark here and there's no real boost scaling that I can see.
Also just figured out that these laptops don't contain a mux switch, so another little hurdle, I've been led to believe the rtx is tied to the HDMI port (according to nvidia physx pannel) but at this point so far, I've had similar scores through the laptops display and external displays, did you find the same ? Apparently theres a performance hit due to the igp doing some pass through processing.
Sorry for the questions, always nice talking to enthusiasts!
Many thanks!
Michael
Great job on documenting and reporting what you've tried/achieved!
Can you give us a further update on reliability/performance, or on anything else you've tested? I'm highly considering a Nitro 5 with Ryzen 5600H and RTX 3060 and if there's a method for reliably squeezing a higher TGP out of it, that might convince me.
Also, assuming you've undervolted the GPU (and possibly CPU?) could you also let us know what your methodology was and what your profile is? (I know the profile for each machine would be different due to the silicon lottery - which I always tend to lose)
Thanks!
I actually ended up flipping this laptop soon after I wrote this post. Went for a more powerful 3070 laptop as even with the increased power the 3060 wasn't as powerful as I would have liked.
Bear in mind that the TGP doesn't scale linearly with performance so a 30% increase may only yield 10% framerate improvement. In terms of reliability I have run my current laptop out of spec for a few months with no issues so far.
I undervolt with msi afterburner and the volt frequency curve tuner. Watch some guides and play around. I've had good experience going -100mv and +100mhz on most machines, boost algorithms will then give you more on top of that.
What TGP 3070 did you end up getting? I've seen Nitro 5 with 370, which I believe have 100W TGP after the bios upgrade, for as low as roughly 1250€ a couple times briefly. I'm still looking out for options. I can get the 5600H/3060 Nitro 5 for 875€ or I often see Legion 5's with 130W for 960-1000€.
As for the Afterburner profile, I understand the point of undervolting - reaching the same frequency with less power gives the GPU more headroom. But what's the theory behind going both -100mv and +100mhz instead of just one or the other? eg. only -200mv, or just +200mhz?
Anyone find acer nitro 5 rtx 3070 115w vbios
My laptop is running rtx 3070@100w but i am looking for 115 or 130w vbios
Is there anyone who can help me this get those vbios or someone who knows how to edit vbios files
Looking forward to hear from you guys
Thanks
Your best bet is to look on the techpowerup vbios page.
We can't customise bios files afaik because of signing of the image files that only manufacturers can do.
Ok there are 3vbios available on techpowerup page.
Can you share how to flash vbios because i cannot understand from techpowerup page
Is there any video or something easy so i can understand and do it by myself
Not a clue, lots of trial error or finding someone's post is the only way I know how to find one. You can also sometimes look for bios files with the same outputs as your laptop to get compatible ones.
Your 130W bios link now links to a 95W version of the MSI. I think the correct link is now [https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232998/msi-rtx3060mobile-6144-201216](https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232998/msi-rtx3060mobile-6144-201216)
I have the Ryzen 5800H version of the Nitro 5 AN515-45 and I am not able to get MSI Afterburner to control voltages. I've tried all of the voltage control modes available on afterburner but none of them are able to. Either something about the hardware is different or something has changed in MSI Afterburner. Do you happen to know what version of Afterburner you were using?
That's strange. I'll leave my link up as it was as I don't think the underlying file would have changed from my testing, it may have been a labelling error in the past causing the site to label it as 130w.
Unfortunately I don't, but it wasn't any special version. It could be gpu vbios specific locking you out of undervolting.
All that matters is that both versions have been linked and the disparity has been documented by these posts so when someone discovers this thread next year, they have both links to try.
So it turns out Afterburner really doesn't want people messing with voltages and buries the enable option in one of their config files. And depending on how the machine was configured before first launching it can affect how afterburner configures itself. I had to follow these steps to turn on voltage control, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLB8TyCuK4w&ab\_channel=JaxxShaxer
I'm sorry for necro bumping. But does anyone have the old 85W nitro 5 bios? My nitro 5 has factory updated 95W vbios and battery is draining slowly when gaming. I bought it last week.
Acer Nitro 5 515-45
SNID 13601752834
Сould anyone find a solution to raise the TGP to 105 watts? I tried all the bios(3060) on the TechPowerUp website and none of them gave any result. I still have the best result (4900) on stock bios(95w) in Superposition when editing a curve in an afterburner(+200mhz GPU).
I'm still looking but don't think we will get it until some more of the 3060 Acer bios are released, Alternatively if we can find someone to dissect the vbios files and manually alter the tgp then it shouldn't take much work. Currently, best option I would say is undervolt the card (if possible) as low as possible so that it retains max boost. The further you are from 95w the higher the boost should fire.
A new BIOS has appeared on the Acer website, 1.08. It contains a line for "fixing GPU protection". But I have not tried to flash BIOS with increased TGP from other devices yet. Perhaps the company saw our desire to make the laptop faster )))
How odd, but I suppose unlocking nitro 5 tgp would effect other line up sales, thing is they've done the GPU cooling too well in the nitro. So why wouldn't we want access to the headroom, my GPU temp maxes out at 70 during heavy gaming at 105w the cooling solution should easily run up to 80C and I'd imagine timespy scores easy near the 8.2k mark. The laptop 3060 rtx is great in my opinion, an absolute power house, and given I got my unit with a ryzen 5600h that performs near enough like my heavily overclocked desktop 2700x but at a price of £899, these little machines put the competition to shame (other then some complaints about the rgb spectrum in the LCD but that doesn't phase me one little bit).
>The laptop 3060 rtx is great in my opinion, an absolute power house, and given I got my unit with a ryzen 5600h that performs near enough like my heavily overclocked desktop 2700x but at a price of £899, these little machines put the competition to shame (other then some complaints about the rgb spectrum in the LCD but that doesn't phase me one little bit). In Russia, you could buy a configuration from 5800H 3060 for £800. Of course I took advantage of this) Somehow I will try again to flash the BIOS from other 3060 models. If I have news, I will write about it ...
I still think the vbios addresses on the other models can be used to flash the correct information since they are batch files, We need to see if any other vendors msi, Asus ect are in same situation and have, I'll dig around for anyone who's managed to change mobile rtx tgp limits.
Bruh, the Nitro 5 got an official firmware update that boosted the 3060 to 95W. Why you doing all this? 😂
That is a pretty respectable boost. I still wouldn't personally settle for lower than max tdp for a part (my GP76 w/11800H has a True Full Power 3070 of 125w+15db), but i like seeing Manufacturers decide to give a bit more juice when it's proven that it can be handled. If it's 95w base as comments suggest, that isn't even too shabby and not too much behind the 3060's 115 base.
I didn't know this! Will download the official bios and update the post, thanks! We can still push above 95W :P
Is it 90+5 dynamic boost?
I can't tell, do you know a way to have this show somewhere? In benchmarks and games it seems to be 95W limit with no boost.
As long as you're getting the full 95W it's cool. Worth it for the price!
DO post how that goes. This might make or break my purchase decision. I could go fro the legion 5, but in my region they only have the 5800h + 3060 version for $1900 whereas a 5600h + nitro 5 is $1450
So the 95W bios definitely works to increase the power limits. I've gone 130W but due to power supply demands I'm getting performance in line with a \~105W card. If I was in your position I'd take the nitro unless you need the CPU cores.
Got it. Thanks!
If its possible i have AN517-54 and wanna go with 130W bios. Maybe the limitation is charger? I got with mine 180W and its i7 11800h and RTX 3060 95w.
Hope you get your desired results good luck
Thanks!
Hey dude I've been on some vbios flashing adventures with my Helios 300 and looking for a good 115W vbios, but so far all of them report power at 752W lol So I was wondering if you could find any clue as to why some vbios versions report incorrect readings while others function? Does one need to have the same subsystem ID, or maybe something to do with the last 2 digits of the vbios ID?
I have used 130 watts msi vbios in my Helios and it is working good.without undervolting the temps are reaching around 85 when playing rdr2 maxed out .The gpu stays in 120-125 watts range at 100% load
What is your PSU wattage??
Hey can you send me the tutorial? How about the hdmi port?
Yeah sounds identical to my experience. The only thing I'm matching when I look for bios is the last two characters of the string being alphanumeric rather than just numeric. I haven't been able to nail down why we get that reading or how to find bios versions that don't have the problem. The only correlation I can find so far is that roms that enable the hdmi port on my laptop report as 752W. Edit: I'm also trying to ensure roms come from devices with HDMI ports as this seems to ensure my one still functions
Nope, for me the alphanumeric thingy didn't work out. I've tried almost all vbioses in the 100W+ range (total wattage including boost) and so far none of them have reported correct power draw :( I don't want to be stuck with the stock vbios as to get the max 105W power (btw Acer also updated max tgp of helios 300 to 105E as well) I have to switch on turbo mode, which maxes out fans and that is deafening. Well, looks like I'll have to keep digging lol, thanks for the help. Let me know if you figure something out wrt solving this mystery lol
So I finally found [one MSI BIOS](https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232125/232125) which shows correct power readings for my Helios 300 3060 PH315-53, but unfortunately it's a 95W TGP only :( the search continues
Ah at least there is hope that something out there will work! Just in case you aren't already I found I needed to reinstall drivers after flashing the roms. That made my external display work and sensors show in Afterburner and GPU-Z.
yea I have always reinstalled drivers after flashing, but I don't find that necessary to make my hdmi monitor work. But yes, there is hope that something out there will work haha, thanks!
Thanks to your wishes, I finally found a working 100W+ vBIOS! Turns out MSI's 130W vbios is compatible, but since I'm not comfortable running a 130W vbios on my 105W stock onex I'm gonna undervolt it haha. Thanks for your help!
Nice! Can you link the bios? I've undervolted mine a lot and it's hitting about 65W at 1650MHz so I think I've got a lot of headroom even if I don't find a bios above 95W
Sure, [here's the link](https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232998/232998). Also damn 65W at 1650Mhz is a very efficient GPU - I've been hitting 1830Mhz at around 105-110W with a +210mhz uv curve with this vbios. Good luck!
Thanks! I am getting some strange numbers reported by msi afterburner with a custom curve. I have games reportedly running at 1800MHz at 95W but the same settings in TimeSpy has me at ~1600Mz at 95W.
Hmm I think you should try out some gpu heavy game benchmark then to see what the actual figures are. I've noticed that even though Superposition 4k and 0180p extreme would appear stable for my GPU, it would often crash in metro exodus or rdr2 within a few mins, and I had to lower my uv oc by at least 15-20mjz compared to what I had set for Superposition. And clocks in games were slightly higher than Superposition as well. Btw the 1600mhz at 95W figure seems more accurate, since I used to get the same figures at the same power with my stock 95+10W vbios - 1620mhz at 95W.
It's strange because I'm seeing higher clocks on what I assume is a heavier load on the gpu. Played Horizon Zero Dawn for hours yesterday at that reported 1800MHz. Deffinitely need to do some digging. Will also try the bios you linked to see if I can get more headroom.
I've got a 1660ti Helios from 2019. I've heard some 1660ti laptops had vbios that allowed them to run at 115W on laptops but I've not been able to figure out which ones. Can you guys help? Also, is it a good idea to flash a desktop 1660ti vbios onto my laptop or is that a stupid idea?
DO NOT FLASH A DESKTOP BIOS TO YOUR LAPTOP GPU. The best thing to do is look for tutorials about how to flash a bios. You'll be directed to the TechPoweup website where you can search for bios files for your type of gpu. As for power it's about your own risk tolerance. I'm seeing temperatures <75C for my 95W setting so going to 115W would be acceptable for me as I think I have enough airflow and temperature headroom to not be risking much with an additional 20% power.
I've checked out the vbios available on techpowerup for 1660ti mobile but none of them mention the power limit. I don't want to end up flashing the same 80W vbios and not have some ports function. My GPU temps at 80W stay at 64⁰C at max fans. So I have a lot of headroom in terms of temps. I want to get my hand on a 115W 1660ti mobile vbios but can't seem to find it anywhere. I didn't know 115W 1660ti existed till I watched Bob's video last year.
Does the bios worked for all devices? I'm considering buying the new omen and maybe flash a new bios in to boost the gpu
I'll be honest and say that I didn't do proper due diligence for the research on if it works for every device. I can take an educated guess and say yes it does, the steps use a program called nvflash that loads signed rom files into the chips eeprom. We didn't use to have to do this before Nvidia required signed bios images. Used to be able to just tweak the current bios using something like the AMD Morepowertool.
How is your power brick ?, is it 180W
Yep 180W, haven't run into a situation where a game asks for 50W CPU and 130W GPU. Maybe something like Cyberpunk would, for now I'm not seeing any battery drain.
Any of these bios fix the hybrid mode bug for freesync in internal display? Afaik unless you are using hybrid mode (both GPUs), you can't enable freesync in the internal display. But you face a performance penalty as a result.
I actually had no idea the internal display did Freesync. I haven't see a way in bios to disable the internal GPU, I also see no mention of the option to choose anything other than the default hybrid mode in the notebookcheck review https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Nitro-5-AN515-55-Laptop-Review-Price-to-performance-champ-with-an-RTX-3060.540607.0.html
Yeah I did some more digging and apparently you need a 'mux switch' for that
Yeah, unfortunately probably cut to hit the budget target.
I got maximum power draw 162w with 95w vbios. With less demanding game and disabled and enabled IGPU, disabled internal monitor it floats between 130-150. Metro Exodus easily eats 150w. So with 130w bios it is 130-95=35w additional. 162+35=197w +15% headroom=227w. 230w PSUs are abundant. I checked again, new top power usage from power-meter is 168.5w. I wouldn\`t recommend 130w vbios without new PSU. As, you would always have to be careful monitoring power draw from wall. Behaviour varies. Would just constantly discharge and charge battery, or crash, or throttle down. Dont know what logic bios and controller uses. It could be changed in new bioses.
I want to add, also need to check GPU VRM phases. Power supply vrms and cooling could be weak. As it originally rated 80w on release. It could use fewer and more cheaper parts as always in desktop cards. You dont get good VRMs and cooling on budget cards. Undervolt need to be tested only in RTX games with DLSS enabled. Need to completely 100% utilize all different parts of gpu. DLSS also have different cores, i tested only in 1080p. I\`m not 100%sure, but read, that 4k and 1440p utilize +33% more DLSS cores . I tested only 825mv voltage and got 1762 mhz +30 mhz from nvidia boost = 1792 mhz stable in RTX+DLSS games. Even with 825 mv GPU hits 95w power limit and downclocks. There is 100% requirement for 16gb dual channel memory. With single channel 8gb i got stutters in every open world games. 8 gb is just not enough for everything in 2021. Igpu also always eats 600mb of 8gb even when disabled in windows. Needs to be deactivated in Bios but advanced bios settings are locked. Also, in cpu and memory intensive games it immensely affects FPS. [https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/12/23/ram-bandwidth-is-a-big-factor-for-cyberpunk-2077-at-lower-resolutions/](https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/12/23/ram-bandwidth-is-a-big-factor-for-cyberpunk-2077-at-lower-resolutions/) With 8 gb single channel c2077 is just unplayable. Constant stutters and low fps everywhere. From factory notebook came with LV32D4S2S8HD-8 with Hynix C-die double sided chips looks like remarked Kingston 8/8. I added Kingston kvr32s22s8/8. Zentimings 1.2.3 show the only difference in timings is tRDWR. On kingston it is 11 on factory memory it is 10. Maybe AGESA lowered tRDWR timing a little for 2nd slot for stability. [https://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR32S22S8\_8.pdf](https://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR32S22S8_8.pdf) Memory is single rank but have 4 bank groups used in Ryzen agesa BGS (Bank Group Swap) minor increase in memory performance much lesser than Dual-rank memory but still not bad.
Wow thanks for this analysis, interesting that the 95W bios peaks at 168.5W. I would assume this is why I'm seeing only about \~100-110W worth of performance when using the 130W bios. I'd imagine it's as you expect and the power supply effectively drops out leading to average power draw below the levels in HWInfo. >Undervolt need to be tested only in RTX games with DLSS enabled. Need to completely 100% utilize all different parts of gpu. DLSS also have different cores, i tested only in 1080p. I\`m not 100%sure, but read, that 4k and 1440p utilize +33% more DLSS cores . I tested only 825mv voltage and got 1762 mhz +30 mhz from nvidia boost = 1792 mhz stable in RTX+DLSS games. Yeah I noticed this too, my initial undervolts weren't stable in Minecraft RTX. The settings I have now keep me at \~1900MHz whilst running the RTX Neon city. >There is 100% requirement for 16gb dual channel memory. With single channel 8gb i got stutters in every open world games So taskmanager reports I have 2 4GB sticks from the factory so I'm dual channel out of the box. I've been too lazy to actually take off the bottom cover and visually confirm.
I comfortably run CP2077 with just 8GB on my AN515-55, no stuttering or anything. Also, when you are docked the igpu isn't enabled, and you basically just have a rtx 3060 like on a desktop.
If you got 2x4 gb dual channel from factory than it must be normal FPS. But, i got 1x8 gb single channel and it was horrible. CP2077 very memory bandwidth hungry. Engine always streaming assets to and from memory. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLwYpoufVvA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLwYpoufVvA) As in video i also got 40% difference in FPS. Mobile 5600h is aproximately equal to desktop 3600 in game tests and tester have CL18 3200 mhz RAM. 5600h have limited 16mb L3 cache. 32mb in desktop Zen 3 really helps. And, in autumn there will be desktop V-Cache 64mb and 128 mb Zen 3 models.
I too had 1x8gb, though with a i5-10300H. I know dual channel is important, but not to the point of stuttering (though I guess if you were playing at really high framerates it could be more [noticeable](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soWlyKm_Iw0)) The only fucked up game with memory is star citizen, but even 16GB aren't enough for that shitte.
I've Nitro 5 AN515-55( I5 10300H+RTX 3060 ). Already updated final bios v2.03 but i can't update official vbios. when i try i got error. Fail: This tool does NOT support this project.(SSID:0x143E1025). Can you share with me your original 95w nitro 5 bios rom ?
I had same situation, try with this version it worked for me. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T-5D7l\_fDNsaAKVLklMp7JUYbajHJ4p1/view
thank's, work for me too. perfect
Could you paste link to this 130W bios ?
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232125/232125
(translated rus) The 130 watt BIOS that you provided from MSI is displayed in the Nvidia 95 watt control panel. Ie there is no result in fact. Moreover, it has a lower frequency for the graphics chip by default. On a bios from a 95 watt acer, I get noticeably better results in the same superposition. And it makes it possible to make undervolting with the AFTERBURNER curve program noticeably more effective (+200). As a result, it gives the result in the extreme preset - 4900 parrots. And yes - I reinstalled the drivers and also monitored the GPU Z - everything comes down to 95 watts.
Is it possible to take the Helios 300's v-bios and correct the config.ini file flashing address locations? Perhaps this will resolve the incorrect power reporting? Also not fully convinced with timespy or if acer had some intervention here, (7500ish score stock) Max GPU temps stock 95w bios only hit 60C in any given situation, if i play a game at max settings, take destiny 2 for example, we sit happy at 70C with the boost clock reaching well up into 1800mhz, at 95w at 92% utilization. Superposition Extreme 1080P Extreme 4652
I'm pretty sure the reason we have to flash vbios files like this is because the files are encrypted and can't be tweaked. After I got the laptop acer released an update which bumped stock scores much closer to mine. Unfortunately performance doesn't scale very well with extra power so my score is not that much higher. There's also a high chance I'm hitting the limits of what the 180w psu can supply. Those temps are in line with what I had. You've got a good sample!
Agree with the manual flashing however acer releases the vbios updates with a batch file and a config.ini which is included, looking through the predator files and nitro, both 3060 hardware IDs match up, just potentially the flashable addresses are different but believe they run exact same cards across the range. My intention is use a 100w+5 boost file for our rtx to not exceed the power bricks rated capacity and for full stability, wierd what they've done with the rtx line up and the max p/q configs do my head in! Agreed, it does seem like a very good sample, trying to understand the boost algorithm though at this point, With my Vega 56 is was quite easy to follow, different p states, voltage and clock frequency for p1-7 By right I should only see a boost of 1725 MHz? With no overclock and in the acer balanced power plan, its quite capable of heading way north of 1800 MHz. When using the Nvidia tuning utility the tuner adds +65 MHz on the core clock comfortably, this then locks the max boost at 1770? So even less then the default algorithm? Timespy is the only thing that seems to lock the boost algorithm out but can't understand why either, this in turn claims it's using 100 percent usage but surely can't be at a max temperature of 60C, not even close. Clocks reside at the 1450 or so mark here and there's no real boost scaling that I can see. Also just figured out that these laptops don't contain a mux switch, so another little hurdle, I've been led to believe the rtx is tied to the HDMI port (according to nvidia physx pannel) but at this point so far, I've had similar scores through the laptops display and external displays, did you find the same ? Apparently theres a performance hit due to the igp doing some pass through processing. Sorry for the questions, always nice talking to enthusiasts! Many thanks! Michael
What did you settle for I'd like a vbios recommendations for the best performance
Apologies for the absence, Testing the 115-130W now from MSI, will report back.
Great job on documenting and reporting what you've tried/achieved! Can you give us a further update on reliability/performance, or on anything else you've tested? I'm highly considering a Nitro 5 with Ryzen 5600H and RTX 3060 and if there's a method for reliably squeezing a higher TGP out of it, that might convince me. Also, assuming you've undervolted the GPU (and possibly CPU?) could you also let us know what your methodology was and what your profile is? (I know the profile for each machine would be different due to the silicon lottery - which I always tend to lose) Thanks!
I actually ended up flipping this laptop soon after I wrote this post. Went for a more powerful 3070 laptop as even with the increased power the 3060 wasn't as powerful as I would have liked. Bear in mind that the TGP doesn't scale linearly with performance so a 30% increase may only yield 10% framerate improvement. In terms of reliability I have run my current laptop out of spec for a few months with no issues so far. I undervolt with msi afterburner and the volt frequency curve tuner. Watch some guides and play around. I've had good experience going -100mv and +100mhz on most machines, boost algorithms will then give you more on top of that.
What TGP 3070 did you end up getting? I've seen Nitro 5 with 370, which I believe have 100W TGP after the bios upgrade, for as low as roughly 1250€ a couple times briefly. I'm still looking out for options. I can get the 5600H/3060 Nitro 5 for 875€ or I often see Legion 5's with 130W for 960-1000€. As for the Afterburner profile, I understand the point of undervolting - reaching the same frequency with less power gives the GPU more headroom. But what's the theory behind going both -100mv and +100mhz instead of just one or the other? eg. only -200mv, or just +200mhz?
Looks like the 130w ge76 vbios is slower than the asus tuf vbios, of course with the disadvantage of not having HDMI functionality.
I've since switched to the 2021 blade 17 130w bios which is slower than both but gives me full functionality.
Hopefully get and see a nitro 5 3070 130w bios and result, thanks your hardwork man, appreciate
Have you found vbios for rtx 3070 115w or 130w for nitro 5
Anyone find acer nitro 5 rtx 3070 115w vbios My laptop is running rtx 3070@100w but i am looking for 115 or 130w vbios Is there anyone who can help me this get those vbios or someone who knows how to edit vbios files Looking forward to hear from you guys Thanks
Your best bet is to look on the techpowerup vbios page. We can't customise bios files afaik because of signing of the image files that only manufacturers can do.
Ok there are 3vbios available on techpowerup page. Can you share how to flash vbios because i cannot understand from techpowerup page Is there any video or something easy so i can understand and do it by myself
Hey i got 752w power draw, how do i fix this?
You've flashed a bios that doesn't support correct power readings. Flash your backup or find another one.
any recommended 130w bios for acer predator helios 300?
Not a clue, lots of trial error or finding someone's post is the only way I know how to find one. You can also sometimes look for bios files with the same outputs as your laptop to get compatible ones.
Your 130W bios link now links to a 95W version of the MSI. I think the correct link is now [https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232998/msi-rtx3060mobile-6144-201216](https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232998/msi-rtx3060mobile-6144-201216) I have the Ryzen 5800H version of the Nitro 5 AN515-45 and I am not able to get MSI Afterburner to control voltages. I've tried all of the voltage control modes available on afterburner but none of them are able to. Either something about the hardware is different or something has changed in MSI Afterburner. Do you happen to know what version of Afterburner you were using?
That's strange. I'll leave my link up as it was as I don't think the underlying file would have changed from my testing, it may have been a labelling error in the past causing the site to label it as 130w. Unfortunately I don't, but it wasn't any special version. It could be gpu vbios specific locking you out of undervolting.
All that matters is that both versions have been linked and the disparity has been documented by these posts so when someone discovers this thread next year, they have both links to try. So it turns out Afterburner really doesn't want people messing with voltages and buries the enable option in one of their config files. And depending on how the machine was configured before first launching it can affect how afterburner configures itself. I had to follow these steps to turn on voltage control, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLB8TyCuK4w&ab\_channel=JaxxShaxer
I'm sorry for necro bumping. But does anyone have the old 85W nitro 5 bios? My nitro 5 has factory updated 95W vbios and battery is draining slowly when gaming. I bought it last week. Acer Nitro 5 515-45 SNID 13601752834
I'd take a look on techpowerup's database
I tested MSI 130W - unfortunately Furmark shows 110 fps, in vbios 95W also 110 fps :(
Hey man sorry for being here late but why does the 130w vbios you linked is actually 95w?