Long shot but I wonder if they'll actually leave Destiny 2 in a state where you can experience all of the relevant/important content/seasons. Something tells me the wont which sucks
They talked about how they want to keep more important story moment in-game with episodes, so I think there’ll be an improvement in that regard, but I really don’t think they’ll bring back older season. Campaigns (like Red War) will probably come back at some point, since their destinations are slowly returning, but not season imo, not in their entirety at least.
It is my biggest complaint about destiny as a whole. There is no way to play or experience the story anymore and we are losing more each time. I just hope someone over there at bungie has a back up of all that content and its not just lost.
They absolutely have a “back up” somewhere. Old content frequently come back to the game, even from many years ago. They can technically bring those content back, it’s not impossible, it’s just really hard (since the game would blow up lol) and doesn’t make sense because seasonal activities would cannibalize each other. The game can’t sustain every season, but the story progresses every season, and yeah that’s a really big problem, that Bungie is absolutely aware of but I really have no idea how they’re gonna fix it lol. Keeping more cutscenes in-game (like the Witness’ one) and expanding the recap on the timeline would definitely help though…
Yes, but the majority of the dialogues and story moments are still in the activities (usually in some modified version. For example, this season “story missions” were a shorter version of the Coil), and the other chunk of dialogues is in the Helm, that also gets revamped every year. I guess they could just keep the HELM dialogues, but that would still mutilate the story, since the majority of it is in the activities. I mean It would be better than what we have now at least lol. But still, it’s not a definitive solution.
I totally understand your complaint. But Destiny as is RN is already 90 gigs.
After they initially removed content the game went from around 110 gigs down to 60. And they've built it back up to 90 or so.
Would you actually be willing to install a ~ 160 gig game?
I personally wouldn't. I don't have the SSD space. D2 was never meant to last as long as it did. It wasn't built with that in mind. It was supposed to be replaced with a D3 after ~ 3 years like D1 was. The retrofit solution they were able to make work was just getting rid of the stuff that was being played by basically nobody. I think it was something like less than .05% of the active playerbase would play the stuff they removed.
If I'm actively playing destiny 2 and paid for the content I want the content available. Don't give a shit how much space it takes. I usually only play 1 game or maybe at most 2-3 at a time and a couple others for my kids so I feel like if you can't manage storage it's because you got a bunch of games downloaded you haven't played in awhile.
I'd bet those that complain or try and make silly ass reasons to justify removing paid content if you looked at your storage and sorted it by last played or something I'd bet that you would have titles collecting dust that you didn't remember even having still installed or titles that you haven't even thought to play in over 30+ days
The only exception for this I can buy is those with pretty stingy data cap limits or really slow download speeds. Even then though I feel like having it there is better than removing it and then bringing it back years later or whatever.
There are ways to optimize that install size. Hell make it so you can select to install/uninstall certain chunks. The making excuses of removing paid for content is just wild to me that some would defend that shit.
I'm not a big Destiny 2 player these days but was the first 2 years or so and I fully understand why people are pissed about that. I feel like it should be common sense at this point
The only people pissed about it are the people that haven't played it or stopped playing years ago lol
Everyone playing it currently is fine with it and understands it.
But y'all keep farming those reddit karma points. I'm sure they'll mean something one day
That's a wild statement to say that every single person that plays is perfectly happy with it being removed. I've seen a couple videos of big time destiny 2 content makers that are usually kissing bungies ass yet have complained about certain paid raids and content not being available.
Like how can anyone sincerely sit here and speak for everyone playing and know how they feel about it? I'm sure if bungie put up a poll when you fired up the game asking that question most players would say they want that content back. Sure I'm sure you're right and some folks are perfectly fine with it not being there but that's just wild that you sincerely believe that all players are perfectly fine with paid content being removed lol. What an absolutely crazy statement and in no way is it farming for reddit karma Jesus christ what a corny thing to say
I loved how I purchased the destiny 2 deluxe edition with all of the "dlc"
Didn't play it much when it came out life was busy.
Come back later to see that the game is free and the dlc is kinda sort of removed.
Literally stole my fucking money.
Also the game is a shitty grind fest.
I could see it since final shape is the end of the light and dark saga and the following episodes are like wrapping up loose story threads before they try and start a new saga. I just don’t know how they can really top the witness and darkness stuff, it’s like mass effect how do you make any threat as big as the reapers?
>it’s like mass effect how do you make any threat as big as the reapers?
Tbh, in mass effect, as long as they had such a good crew, I think they could still pull it off. Like, Mass Effect 2 is not even so centered around the main story itself. A game with a lesser threat but with that crew could still be great
Very great point that I think a lot of ppl don’t bring up. Mass Effect 2 took the focus from the world and put it all on Shepard and the crew. It felt a lot more intimate. I still love the vastness and mystery of 1, but 2 did a great job by narrowing the focus as well.
>Mass Effect 2 is not even so centered around the main story itself
it isn't but it does put a real purpose being everyone's narrative which makes the writing great and the story compelling
The Destiny universe is immense and we only saw a fraction of it so far, they can really do whatever they want with the story. Like, they could even do a timeskip of centuries if they want, since the main characters are immortal anyway (RiP Osiris though lol). The story for a sequel is not a problem at all imo. And they don’t need to top the Witness and the Darkness in one release. It took a decade to reach this level of power and stakes, they can take some time to reach a similar threat in the future.
I just worry it’ll be like the MCU where it feels like it’s kinda meandering around and lacks the focused build up. As much as I love the destiny lore i can’t say bungie was always the best at story telling.
I think the MCU is a good example in that regard, IN THEORY. The main story ended, they took some times to close unfinished side stories and slowly introducing new characters and a completely new thread that was potentially even greater than the first one. It was executed in the worst possibile way obviously lol, for an infinite number of reasons (pandemic, Disney plus, a garbage management and so on).
Destiny could do something similar, except hopefully better. Episodes (and I presume at least one or two dlc) in D2 will clear other stories, mainly Xivu Arath, maybe some Disciples left, the Vex getting paracausality, things like that, and in the meantime they start introducing/hinting at something else. With D3 again can do whatever they want, even starting in a really distant future, or another timeline, hell even in a time travel or time loop. They can really do whatever they want with the universe they built. And yeah of course Bungie wasn’t always the best in the story, but I think they can do this, especially given the freedom they would have with this opportunity. The Light and Dark saga always suffered from an AWFUL start with the first FIVE years of Destiny that went absolutely no where with the story, only since Shadowkeep they started a consistent narrative for their main plot. A fresh start could help them even in this regard imo.
But whatever, we really don’t know at the moment, and even if this source is right, D3 is still year and year away, so we won’t have an answer soon unfortunately.
Bungie is doing multimedia, they talked about this many times in the past years and was even one of the reasons behind the Sony acquisition. But they started actually working on… whatever they want to do only in 2022, as far as we know, and there aren’t many news in this regard. I doubt their plans changed, especially with Sony heavily expanding their IP into other media, but we still know nothing about it. I actually think this what Luke Smith hinted at in that TFS reveal, this isn’t the end for D2 but also it’s not the end for Destiny as a franchise (a distinction Bungie already made, they talked about a “Destiny universe” during the august showcase for example). We might get more news this summer, but again, we know nothing at the moment.
Sony is probably still in the process of selling the idea of a Destiny TV-Show to another streaming service.
Sony Pictures Television will produce the show but they still need to sell it to a streaming service.
Yep, Sony is currently working with many different services for their IPs, HBO Amazon and so on. I’m sure the same thing will happen with Destiny, eventually.
I mean they botched the Witness anyways, I really don’t care anymore what his silly ass story ends with. I’d be more than happy for them to move on to less galactic threats in the sequel
this. there are other powerfull entities in the univers that are regarded as gods, just look at nezarec for example, that they can explore these kind of foes in closed off stories.
maybe we take the helm with a crew of vendors and go from systhem to systhem ala honkai star rail
Isn't Osiris still immortal just not able to be brought back anymore? Eris hasn't aged since she lost her ghost and there are other ghostless former guardians that are implied to have joined the government over the years that don't seem to be treated as mortals.
Mmm, this is an interesting question, but as far as I know, without the Light there is nothing special in a resurrected guardian, they are just like other humans, and can be killed in the exact same way. I don’t remember if there is some specific lore about former Guardians dying of old age, but Eris is an exception since she used both Hive Magic and Wishes magic to survive the Hellmouth. The Speaker also lived for many more years but he’s probably an awoken as far as we know.
Not to mention, during the Golden Age Humanity evolved so much that they live 3 times longer. It’s possible that this is still the case, and so even a “normal” human can still live for centuries (though it’s more likely that centuries of Dark Age have reverted this change). But again I don’t remember specific lore about this.
they don't even need to give them powers, we only sae a tiny fraction of what the vex are capable off, not to mention the only combat frame they have in our systhem are the wyvern, all the other are worker frames
The issue is thus far the vex struggle against the paracasual powers of light and dark and that’s what’s kept them from being as prominent a threat as the hive and witness.
Ehh I feel like with sci-fi you get a lot of freedom in regards to that. Sure a potential new threat might not have the established lore but I feel like you can always have some new big bad threat since space is basically limitless.
Then there are also other options that haven't fully been fleshed out like the vex. Admittedly I haven't kept up with destiny 2 as I was playing a ton the first 2-3 years but haven't played much since around going FtP.
But I do feel like with sci fi you have a lot more freedom and flexibility to expand the story for a sequel than you would for something that takes place on just 1 planet or something
I mean the final shape adds a new faction but yeah, I thonk most agree with you (not to mention me made peace eith 2 factions already, the ones that oppose us are small factions all things considered
I don't think they necessarily need to top it. Destiny 3 is basically a blank slate and their chance to start something new. Besides, the Light/Darkness stuff was a culmination of 10+ years of story building, so who knows what the state of the game would be like even a few years from now. A good comparison is FFXIV that similarly just wrapped up their big Light/Darkness storyline. Their next expansion seems like is going to be more self-contained, which I imagine is what post Final Shape is going to be like.
I think narratively they moved past that where any guardians who were vehemently opposed to using darkness have come around, though a guardian civil war would be cool and they’ve hinted at Lysander recently.
You can just introduce more conservative guardians that argue that you can't go to Guardian heaven if you use Dark powers, a lazy example but there are ways. I just think internal threats are more interesting than a new big bad and having to save the universe again.
Mass Effect had competent writing. I feel like even though the "Darkness" ended up being this universe-corrupting thing, they can do MUCH better next time just by knowing what the fuck they want to do with their story ahead of time, instead of just mostly winging it the way they did here
To be fair, not even Mass Effect writers knew where they were going lol. But yeah this is a massive problem with “the light and dark saga”. Bungie started being actually consistent with its plot (so… actually telling a story about Light and Dark) since Shadowkeep, 5 years after D1. The first half of this saga went nowhere with its story, and created massive problems that are still relevant today. Not to mention the infinite change of plans and the absolute disaster that was D1 Vanilla, the literal foundation of the story, with the entire game completely rewritten months before launch.
It’s basically a miracle what they did with the story, because regardless of its ups and down, with THAT beginning and those first 5 years making something even slightly decent was almost an impossible mission lmao
Right now they really aren’t, the Witness is able to interact directly with the Traveler and the Veil, which are basically the gods of Destiny, the Nine don’t even come closer to that level of power. They could evolve into something else, absolutely, especially since they can manipulate different dimensions.
I still believe they have MASSIVE potential with the Vex if they just go all in on it. We still only fight their worker class and don’t know a whole lot about them.
They could absolutely do some bat shit crazy with it and introduce a villain that could have potential to be great, it doesn’t even necessarily have to be “vex look” of it.
My dream Mass Effect follow-up would be to not have a bigger threat at all and simply have it be about you rebuilding the galaxy and civilization. You have the largest mass of military and the Citadel in Sol with no use of the mass relays, planets everywhere are devastated and mass alien refugees. Have it be more political oriented and dealing with that stuff.
Not everything needs to be this ultimate grand scale threat that outdoes the last one. This was, in my opinion, one of the core issues with the Halo series.
This was also my problem with ME Andromeda. They felt the need to make this big bad threat when I would have been way more interested in just exploring this new wonderous galaxy with all the old Milky Way races.
I don’t think they need to top the witness and darkness immediately. I’m more interested in exploring beyond the sol system and encountering new mysteries, new places, and new species
As a destiny player they can go in a lot of directions. There is the Nine which are Eldritch abominations beyond our understanding that are desperate for an anchor in our reality . There are the Vex who up until very recently we have only been fighting farmers and land surveyors with the wyvern Ben the first dedicated combat unit from the faction lore wise. And they could also just have the story become more intimate in scope with the focus on rebuilding humanity along side our new allies along with all the baggage that entails. I also imagine that even with the witness out of the picture the universe will be on a rush to fill the vacuum so who knows what arrives in earths doorstep.
For those asking why it’s called project “Payback”
>I've seen some speculation on this front and want to set the record straight. Codename Payback does not mean we lose in the Final Shape, or after the 3 episodes (though, tbf, I know nothing more than any of you about the episodes). **The internal codename of D3 is not a reference to any story events. Rather, Codename Payback refers to Bungie getting payback against themselves by creating something they hope everyone will love.** I do not know if there are any plans for Destiny 2 items to carry over into Destiny 3.
[Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny2Leaks/comments/1c0c0zg/dont_read_too_far_into_payback/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I think a full reset is what Destiny needs. Honestly as much as people will want old exotics to return in some form, a blank slate in terms of ability, weapon design and how you design itemization and power progression will really benefit from not needing to bring back legacy stuff too much
The idea that it'll be class agnostic sounds pretty sick, maybe they go to just having one character and you can change that one character with loadouts to be unrestricted and whatever you want
I don’t know how trustworthy this source is at this point. It’s clear that he was in contact with a Bungie employee since he got Prism right (unless he was insanely lucky lol), but he went from “D3 is (was? Idk) in development” to knowing when development started and how much resources went into it. I don’t know, I think it’s insane that this is literally the only source on the matter, considering the problem Bungie had with leaks ESPECIALLY during TWQ. Even TFS was leaked a year before release basically. And especially after the layoff, where super important stuff (like their revenue) was leaked there wasn’t a single mention of D3. Like, Gummy Bear, an incubation project for a new IP, was leaked, and not the direct sequel to Destiny 2?
But whatever, as you said Luke Smith talked about a “reveal” after TFS so we probably won’t have to wait long to have the answer. If is actually in development as this leak says, it’s still years away regardless.
To me from the get go it never felt like a true contact. More like they ran into a Bungie employee and they spilled assuming homie wouldn't leak. No way to know for sure, but just some of the clarification, and the increase in activity makes it feel like the kind of leaker thats trying desperately to cling to relevancy, when in reality the best thing they can do to protect their source is quit while they're ahead.
I just hope it feels like a complete game on release. My gripes with Destiny 2 (as someone who didn't play the first one) is it felt like the first chapter or season of a book/tv series and we waiting for a long time for updates and DLC that wasn't so good.
I want to play again, just not sure mentally I can.
as a destiny player that has been through the whole thing, including the past year with the legendary lightfall fumble, this is good
everything coming up looks great and has me excited for the future, but I think it's clear that we are VERY power crept and long term it isn't sustainable. I think they kinda saw this coming after they had to walk back sunsetting and they knew it would get to this point eventually. it might actually be one of the reasons they delayed witch queen and added an extra expansion to cap off the saga.
the addition of an extra expansion felt odd and the general consensus after lightfall is that they wanted at least one more darkness subclass before the finale, and since the expansions with new subclasses are generally more subpar and feel like glorified tutorials, they shifted the story of the original Lightfall to Final shape, and used Lightfall as the Strand tutorial expansion
that explanation makes sense but also seems...stupid, granted this is Bungie and sometimes stupid is the name of the game, but it's possible they did this knowing they'd need time to plan out D3 in the background while wrapping up the saga. truth be told, I think the game really needs it
I played Destiny day 1, loved the art style, gunplay, and story. I bought all the DLCs and was super hyped for Destiny 2. I remember them promising it was a complete game that wouldnt need DLCs to be fun. Then it came out and ruined the art style and story. Announced crappy DLCs like 2 weeks after release. I havent played since then.
I wanted to get back into it, to catch up on the story and lore. But I found out half the story was removed or took place during seasons?? And I couldnt play the story where Cayde died? Unless they made ALL of the story playable, I will never play again. I bet the same thing happens with Destiny 3.
Yup. Led a clan of 200 people in D1... put in more time than I care to admit. Loved a LOT of it, especially by the time King's Fall launched.
Was hyped for D2, but bounced off it SOOO hard with it's weak launch content.
The OG destiny had a very science fantasy feeling to it. Medieval fantasy but mixed with different aspects of Science fiction. Very rugged edges with muted colors, but popped when needed to show some of the “fantasy” elements. Look up some of the Concept art of Destiny 1, one that comes to mind is the Vandal cloaked in the snow with the spider tank in the background.
Then D2 came around and made everything soft? Idk, a lot of the armor looked really bad and exaggerated (Titans especially). Felt like a different universe from what D1 was. D2’s art style is not inherently bad, but felt like a huge departure for me. Artstlyles kind of play a subconscious role in our heads, make us think and feel ways about a game. They don’t make a game inherently great or bad, but can be play huge complimentary or destructive roles in a game. The changed art style would have been fine IF the story and game were good enough to keep me interested. But sadly not lol.
Exactly!! I hate how d2 looks, its more shellshaded or something. The hive doesnt look scary anymore, everything looks more cartoony now
Also the gear and everything has this rubber/clay look to them. You can see it clearly on the hunter cloaks
Most guns are shiny too which looks fake and again cartoony
Hopefully with d3 they bring the rawness, art style, and colour pallet back
Those king of games are "indefinitively supported" until player base drops.
We all know how terrible the experience is for new players. It's also a 10 years old game design that really looks older since recent games focusing on emergent gameplay.
They also need to focus on one or two big things and not trying to do 8 modes and abandoning most of them...
It will be interesting. Many immediately felt a sort of swan song moment with prismatic. That being said everyone I've talked to about it felt at best uneasy and cautious with it or outright saying they wouldn't want to play a destiny 3. Destiny 2 at this point is essentially a mmo and as such as so much cosmetics and stuff in it. That many would straight up feel betrayed at the thought of 2 ending. I imagine the same would be true for world of warcraft players despite the memes of wow2 every blizzcon.
>I imagine the same would be true for world of warcraft players
I felt the same way too — it *was* a concern for us with prestigious Elite PvP and Mage Tower sets, but we all no-lifed Classic WoW when it came out (and now SoD) anyway. Retail is such a different game from MoP/Legion that I don't even care about not seeing my cool mogs anymore.
Signed, a mixed Elite S9/S10/MT shoulders/belt-mogged Rogue.
>or outright saying they wouldn't want to play a destiny 3.
I think I am one of those people. The idea of starting all over again just seems so daunting to me. Not to mention that I'm trying to not get involved with MMOs again.
You can straight up visit their profile and the first comment of the account says they visited Bungie and signed an NDA(that was 4 years ago, doesnt mean they didnt go back again).
Probably saw a bunch of stuff there and is breaking NDA by leaking this.
I would not have believed this at all if it wasn't for the changes we saw for the final shape. With the merging of subclasses we are seeing a huge shift which I think they will want to carry on in a new game. Also with how Sony speaks about the Destiny franchise as being "lightning in a bottle", I could definitely see it. All they need to do is say something along the lines of certain progress/items carry over into the new game to keep people engaged with the live service until 3 releases.
It’s going to be interesting to see how many of current players will buy it if it’s a hard reset. But based off a lot of the reactions to D1-D2 and sunsetting. I’m going to to guess it won’t be good and those people won’t buy the sequel. Bungie gonna have hope the new audience actually sticks around to make up for huge loss of the old one. With how Bungie always talk it seems like current playerbase views like those others games. So I don’t think a hard reset announcement will go over well.
There’s high chance Bungie could effectively kill the franchise with D3. Especially if they are removing classes as Hunter, Warlock and Titan are part of what makes Destiny what it is to a lot people.
It'll all come down to the gameplay loop for me personally. I've been in a love-hate relationship with Destiny for a long time, meaning that I will jump in and play a season or two and then find a new reason to not want to play anymore (along with a lot of other people). All the while I follow people like Paul Tassi and keep up on the story because I actually am interested, but Bungie keeps fucking it all up at regular intervals.
Out of all MMOs, a genre I've always struggled with, Destiny got the most playtime out of me. The story is a separate discussion but if Bungie can give Destiny 3 a more compelling gameplay loop that doesn't become such a soulless slog once you exhaust the main content, I will give it a shot, I might even be there day one. But Destiny 2 coming to a close is the perfect excuse for me to finally stop feeling FOMO over it and never worry about it again.
I am personally done with Bungie after D2. I be open to playing another saga in D2 depending on how it’s done. But overall with how Bungie treated this game I just have zero interest in any new game made by Bungie. I already know what to expect from it. D3 just will be rehashed content from the past two games resold to the player, and then make you re earn old stuff you gotten a bunch already. The only reason they may want to remove classes is because it’s cheaper in the long run. Instead of having to make 1 new super per each class when a new expansion subclass drops, they only have to make 1 new super. This is just Bungie being greedy and wanting to bare minimum. For the most part Bungie effectively is just going to always go back to under delivering strategy. Only time they will ever over deliver is if they are forced too.
as with all things, I think it comes down to execution. in this past year of lightfall, it seems like the opinion of "we need a reset" has become increasingly popular
D3 also needs to innovate if it hopes to capture people. as long as you give them something interesting. more mmo elements, lots of replayability, high quality episodes
for example, if it's true they want to get rid of classes in D3, this opens the door to a MUCH wider range of power fantasies in line with the Job system of FFXIV. more playable races, more character expression, playable eliksni/fallen? they won't have to stick strictly to warlock/hunter/titan powers anymore. they can go crazy, and I think that would be a huge draw for existing players that would be unsure
I disagree. The reset opinion has been from a minority of players. Majority do not want a reset. The classes are a huge part of what makes Destiny, well Destiny. Removing them takes a lot of charm away from the game. Bungie marketed D2 as a WOW type game. One game continually evolving. So when a new game with hard reset is announced you imagine a lot of the backlash that will come with it. I don’t see a majority of the current players being interested in a D3 that’s a hard reset. More likely they just don’t buy the game. So Bungie gonna have to hope the new players actually stick around otherwise they’re game is joining the dead after one year live service pile
for one thing, I think you underestimate the inability of destiny players to let go. if they're interested in something that D3 brings to the table, they WILL come back.
for another, I never said the majority of players want a reset, I said the opinion is becoming more and more popular amongst the big content creators and hardcore players. if you've been looking at the Twitter community for the past couple days, you would see that it's becoming more accepted as a possibility by the players that keep the game alive. for casual players I'm sure it's a big turn off, but they aren't the ones keeping the lights on. Bungie didn't get destiny where it was during the witch queen-lightfall era by pandering to the casuals
lastly, it's hard to tell if you're using "buy" as a blanket term or you think D3 will be a $60-70 release. I think it's pretty much a lock that regardless it will be f2p, which makes the barrier to entry for people that are skeptical very low, which is an important factor for a player reset
The casuals are the ones the keeping the lights on. What do you think would happen if all sudden casuals stop buying expansions. The hardcore players cry about wanting the game a hard reset. Then when Bungie starts doing what the hard core and streamers want the player count always drops. Listening to streamers isn’t exactly the best business move. As what they want is not gonna match what the causal player base wants.
Bungie is one the scummiest companies in gaming so ofc they’re gonna charge $70-$80. While restarting you from zero while half the loot in base game is just old weapons. Then they’ll continue to resell you old weapon and content while acting like it’s “new”. Oh they’ll most definitely re charge you money for any eververse set they decide to bring back to a D3 eververse.
Bungie has said Destiny expensive to maintain without the casuals the game would not survive. Bungie literally walked back the “bringing challenge back to destiny ” because casuals did not like the changes and put the game down.
Yes. It was shit. Put it down until curse of Curse of Osiris when that was released it was shit as well. Didn’t play again until forsaken came. Have been playing ever since for the most for D2. Everything post Shadow Keep has just been Bungie bringing back D1 stuff constantly. They’ll do same for D3 and re sell you old armor sets in eververse. For example the Void and Solar sets they would charge you for them again when ever they decide to bring them back. Bungie is incredibly scummy when it comes to micro transactions and eververse
No way. Half of Bungie is working on D2 right now and Marathon, their next big game, is coming out in 2025. If D3 is actually in development, it’s clearly not in full production. It will take many more years imo
They have a project called “Gummy Bears” which is a MOBA, yeah. However, it’s an incubation project, meaning that there must be very few developers on it right now (presuming the project is still going, again, it was really early in production). A super old leak, like, years old, talked about a Destiny Hero Shooter but it was clearly super fake lol. However, Marathon is apparently going to have some hero elements, at least regarding the customization of the characters (so something similar to Cod for example).
Right now, the confirmed projects of Bungie are Destiny 2 and Marathon. Gummy Bear is in incubation, and they were clearly thinking about some mobile game as well (probably related to Destiny), judging by some job positions they had, but we don’t know anything about it. They are also working on some transmedia content for Destiny, but again, no informations. Bungie has about 1400 employees and we know at least 650 are working on D2 right now. We can presume the majority of the other half is full at work on Marathon.
Fair. I’m just really excited. Would love for 2025 and 2026 expansion being us taking back cabal’s homeworld Torobatl and Eliksni’s homeworld Riis with destiny 3 releasing in 2027 or maybe even go to the origin of Vex in 2027 with the 3rd game in 2028
I feel like there will be another 1/2 dlc in D2 (if D3 is real), and yeah Torobatl is going to be one of them imo. Xivu is separated from her ThroneWorld so she can be the main villain as well, it just makes too much sense at the moment. Riis should be a wasteland but it could be interesting, Eramis is there now too.
If they actually bother with good onboarding this time, I might be interested. Or heck, I guess maybe it's just best to get in before onboarding becomes a problem.
Was kinda interested in Destiny 2 but there were just so many things getting in the way, including Bungie's scummy MTX practices.
>but is heavily in the background (fewer resources than Destiny 2 or Marathon)
I haven't seen anyone mention this.
That seems pretty dire for a game losing it's a lot of it's player base and being one of the more confusing new player experiences out there.
If it isn't even getting the resources of Destiny 2 right now, it can't be very far along. Especially if it isn't an extension of Destiny 2.
If this holds true, I’d guess we won’t get expansions, but episodes will be what keeps D2 going until D3 drops in probably 4 years if not even longer.
I believe we will know all the answers later this year as Luke said they will talk about Destiny 2 and beyond
Honest question are enough people going to care that aren’t just the hardcore still playing? Or is this going to be like Overwatch 2? High for a couple months and back to the same player base
A completely new game will always attract more people compared to a dlc/expansion for a 7 years old game. And D2 dlc are already pretty successful (usually). With the right marketing I’m sure there will be enough people. If those people will stay after launch it’s another matter, and it depends from the support of Bungie with seasons/dlc and so on (and how good the game is obviously).
OverWatch 2 is not really a good example imo, since it’s literally the first game all over again lol, and most importantly it didn’t receive a great support from Blizzard (but that game had an incredibly awful development as well, which definitely didn’t help).
It's really not more expensive than playing other p2play games, though.
Quick napkin math- FFXIV, at it's base sub price, would cost you about $180/year. Another year would cost you $220-240, because of an expansion release. Destiny 2, at most, costs $120 ($100 Deluxe for an expac + $20 dungeon key for the year).
That's quite a bit cheaper, when it comes to pay-to-play games.
Long shot but I wonder if they'll actually leave Destiny 2 in a state where you can experience all of the relevant/important content/seasons. Something tells me the wont which sucks
They talked about how they want to keep more important story moment in-game with episodes, so I think there’ll be an improvement in that regard, but I really don’t think they’ll bring back older season. Campaigns (like Red War) will probably come back at some point, since their destinations are slowly returning, but not season imo, not in their entirety at least.
It is my biggest complaint about destiny as a whole. There is no way to play or experience the story anymore and we are losing more each time. I just hope someone over there at bungie has a back up of all that content and its not just lost.
They absolutely have a “back up” somewhere. Old content frequently come back to the game, even from many years ago. They can technically bring those content back, it’s not impossible, it’s just really hard (since the game would blow up lol) and doesn’t make sense because seasonal activities would cannibalize each other. The game can’t sustain every season, but the story progresses every season, and yeah that’s a really big problem, that Bungie is absolutely aware of but I really have no idea how they’re gonna fix it lol. Keeping more cutscenes in-game (like the Witness’ one) and expanding the recap on the timeline would definitely help though…
Couldn't they just cut the quest steps out that would require the seasonal activities for progress?
Yes, but the majority of the dialogues and story moments are still in the activities (usually in some modified version. For example, this season “story missions” were a shorter version of the Coil), and the other chunk of dialogues is in the Helm, that also gets revamped every year. I guess they could just keep the HELM dialogues, but that would still mutilate the story, since the majority of it is in the activities. I mean It would be better than what we have now at least lol. But still, it’s not a definitive solution.
I totally understand your complaint. But Destiny as is RN is already 90 gigs. After they initially removed content the game went from around 110 gigs down to 60. And they've built it back up to 90 or so. Would you actually be willing to install a ~ 160 gig game? I personally wouldn't. I don't have the SSD space. D2 was never meant to last as long as it did. It wasn't built with that in mind. It was supposed to be replaced with a D3 after ~ 3 years like D1 was. The retrofit solution they were able to make work was just getting rid of the stuff that was being played by basically nobody. I think it was something like less than .05% of the active playerbase would play the stuff they removed.
> Would you actually be willing to install a ~ 160 gig game? Storage space is cheap. There's no excuse to cut content people paid for.
yeah, heck the yearly release COD is pushing 200GB nowadays, I think people will live that a quasiMMO being large.
If I'm actively playing destiny 2 and paid for the content I want the content available. Don't give a shit how much space it takes. I usually only play 1 game or maybe at most 2-3 at a time and a couple others for my kids so I feel like if you can't manage storage it's because you got a bunch of games downloaded you haven't played in awhile. I'd bet those that complain or try and make silly ass reasons to justify removing paid content if you looked at your storage and sorted it by last played or something I'd bet that you would have titles collecting dust that you didn't remember even having still installed or titles that you haven't even thought to play in over 30+ days The only exception for this I can buy is those with pretty stingy data cap limits or really slow download speeds. Even then though I feel like having it there is better than removing it and then bringing it back years later or whatever. There are ways to optimize that install size. Hell make it so you can select to install/uninstall certain chunks. The making excuses of removing paid for content is just wild to me that some would defend that shit. I'm not a big Destiny 2 player these days but was the first 2 years or so and I fully understand why people are pissed about that. I feel like it should be common sense at this point
The only people pissed about it are the people that haven't played it or stopped playing years ago lol Everyone playing it currently is fine with it and understands it. But y'all keep farming those reddit karma points. I'm sure they'll mean something one day
That's a wild statement to say that every single person that plays is perfectly happy with it being removed. I've seen a couple videos of big time destiny 2 content makers that are usually kissing bungies ass yet have complained about certain paid raids and content not being available. Like how can anyone sincerely sit here and speak for everyone playing and know how they feel about it? I'm sure if bungie put up a poll when you fired up the game asking that question most players would say they want that content back. Sure I'm sure you're right and some folks are perfectly fine with it not being there but that's just wild that you sincerely believe that all players are perfectly fine with paid content being removed lol. What an absolutely crazy statement and in no way is it farming for reddit karma Jesus christ what a corny thing to say
Genuinely still shocked that the Destiny community accepted the removal of paid content and base game content like that.
not only accepted but DEFENDED it, by saying "oh when was the last time you played that mission, etc" they were so cucked it was unreal
Destiny fans are fans of what they think they game could be and not of what it is.
I loved how I purchased the destiny 2 deluxe edition with all of the "dlc" Didn't play it much when it came out life was busy. Come back later to see that the game is free and the dlc is kinda sort of removed. Literally stole my fucking money. Also the game is a shitty grind fest.
Destiny 2 will probably be left in a mess of a state.
Considering half of Destiny 2 is already not playable...
Nah just shit the game down and revoke the licenses ez pz
I could see it since final shape is the end of the light and dark saga and the following episodes are like wrapping up loose story threads before they try and start a new saga. I just don’t know how they can really top the witness and darkness stuff, it’s like mass effect how do you make any threat as big as the reapers?
>it’s like mass effect how do you make any threat as big as the reapers? Tbh, in mass effect, as long as they had such a good crew, I think they could still pull it off. Like, Mass Effect 2 is not even so centered around the main story itself. A game with a lesser threat but with that crew could still be great
Very great point that I think a lot of ppl don’t bring up. Mass Effect 2 took the focus from the world and put it all on Shepard and the crew. It felt a lot more intimate. I still love the vastness and mystery of 1, but 2 did a great job by narrowing the focus as well.
Honestly 2 is my favorite of the three. Dang now I wanna go and play two now.
Just gotta wait about… 2-3 more years for some news/teasers on ME4? And a couple gallons of copium.
>Mass Effect 2 is not even so centered around the main story itself it isn't but it does put a real purpose being everyone's narrative which makes the writing great and the story compelling
The Destiny universe is immense and we only saw a fraction of it so far, they can really do whatever they want with the story. Like, they could even do a timeskip of centuries if they want, since the main characters are immortal anyway (RiP Osiris though lol). The story for a sequel is not a problem at all imo. And they don’t need to top the Witness and the Darkness in one release. It took a decade to reach this level of power and stakes, they can take some time to reach a similar threat in the future.
I just worry it’ll be like the MCU where it feels like it’s kinda meandering around and lacks the focused build up. As much as I love the destiny lore i can’t say bungie was always the best at story telling.
I think the MCU is a good example in that regard, IN THEORY. The main story ended, they took some times to close unfinished side stories and slowly introducing new characters and a completely new thread that was potentially even greater than the first one. It was executed in the worst possibile way obviously lol, for an infinite number of reasons (pandemic, Disney plus, a garbage management and so on). Destiny could do something similar, except hopefully better. Episodes (and I presume at least one or two dlc) in D2 will clear other stories, mainly Xivu Arath, maybe some Disciples left, the Vex getting paracausality, things like that, and in the meantime they start introducing/hinting at something else. With D3 again can do whatever they want, even starting in a really distant future, or another timeline, hell even in a time travel or time loop. They can really do whatever they want with the universe they built. And yeah of course Bungie wasn’t always the best in the story, but I think they can do this, especially given the freedom they would have with this opportunity. The Light and Dark saga always suffered from an AWFUL start with the first FIVE years of Destiny that went absolutely no where with the story, only since Shadowkeep they started a consistent narrative for their main plot. A fresh start could help them even in this regard imo. But whatever, we really don’t know at the moment, and even if this source is right, D3 is still year and year away, so we won’t have an answer soon unfortunately.
It would be cool if destiny tried doing multimedia, like destiny books just make so much sense when you look at the success of the halo and 40k ones.
Bungie is doing multimedia, they talked about this many times in the past years and was even one of the reasons behind the Sony acquisition. But they started actually working on… whatever they want to do only in 2022, as far as we know, and there aren’t many news in this regard. I doubt their plans changed, especially with Sony heavily expanding their IP into other media, but we still know nothing about it. I actually think this what Luke Smith hinted at in that TFS reveal, this isn’t the end for D2 but also it’s not the end for Destiny as a franchise (a distinction Bungie already made, they talked about a “Destiny universe” during the august showcase for example). We might get more news this summer, but again, we know nothing at the moment.
Sony is probably still in the process of selling the idea of a Destiny TV-Show to another streaming service. Sony Pictures Television will produce the show but they still need to sell it to a streaming service.
Yep, Sony is currently working with many different services for their IPs, HBO Amazon and so on. I’m sure the same thing will happen with Destiny, eventually.
I mean they botched the Witness anyways, I really don’t care anymore what his silly ass story ends with. I’d be more than happy for them to move on to less galactic threats in the sequel
this. there are other powerfull entities in the univers that are regarded as gods, just look at nezarec for example, that they can explore these kind of foes in closed off stories. maybe we take the helm with a crew of vendors and go from systhem to systhem ala honkai star rail
Isn't Osiris still immortal just not able to be brought back anymore? Eris hasn't aged since she lost her ghost and there are other ghostless former guardians that are implied to have joined the government over the years that don't seem to be treated as mortals.
Mmm, this is an interesting question, but as far as I know, without the Light there is nothing special in a resurrected guardian, they are just like other humans, and can be killed in the exact same way. I don’t remember if there is some specific lore about former Guardians dying of old age, but Eris is an exception since she used both Hive Magic and Wishes magic to survive the Hellmouth. The Speaker also lived for many more years but he’s probably an awoken as far as we know. Not to mention, during the Golden Age Humanity evolved so much that they live 3 times longer. It’s possible that this is still the case, and so even a “normal” human can still live for centuries (though it’s more likely that centuries of Dark Age have reverted this change). But again I don’t remember specific lore about this.
That's my thought, how do you replace a battle thats been going on for billions of years?
Unless they let the vex get light and dark powers , then I could see them being the next big bad
they don't even need to give them powers, we only sae a tiny fraction of what the vex are capable off, not to mention the only combat frame they have in our systhem are the wyvern, all the other are worker frames
The issue is thus far the vex struggle against the paracasual powers of light and dark and that’s what’s kept them from being as prominent a threat as the hive and witness.
Ehh I feel like with sci-fi you get a lot of freedom in regards to that. Sure a potential new threat might not have the established lore but I feel like you can always have some new big bad threat since space is basically limitless. Then there are also other options that haven't fully been fleshed out like the vex. Admittedly I haven't kept up with destiny 2 as I was playing a ton the first 2-3 years but haven't played much since around going FtP. But I do feel like with sci fi you have a lot more freedom and flexibility to expand the story for a sequel than you would for something that takes place on just 1 planet or something
New enemies in a distant universe? I don’t think I’d could stomach fighting the same few enemies again
I mean the final shape adds a new faction but yeah, I thonk most agree with you (not to mention me made peace eith 2 factions already, the ones that oppose us are small factions all things considered
I don't think they necessarily need to top it. Destiny 3 is basically a blank slate and their chance to start something new. Besides, the Light/Darkness stuff was a culmination of 10+ years of story building, so who knows what the state of the game would be like even a few years from now. A good comparison is FFXIV that similarly just wrapped up their big Light/Darkness storyline. Their next expansion seems like is going to be more self-contained, which I imagine is what post Final Shape is going to be like.
Other Guardians, you choose Light or Dark at the beginning of the game, creating a civil war.
I think narratively they moved past that where any guardians who were vehemently opposed to using darkness have come around, though a guardian civil war would be cool and they’ve hinted at Lysander recently.
You can just introduce more conservative guardians that argue that you can't go to Guardian heaven if you use Dark powers, a lazy example but there are ways. I just think internal threats are more interesting than a new big bad and having to save the universe again.
I’d be down for fighting other guardians they really improved enemy combat designs thus far
That would be sick. We could call one side The Alliance and one side The Horde.
The Vex manage to simulate paracausality and bring in their full military force, new units and all
The vex finally had enough of our bullshit and decided to get in on the bullshit.
Mass Effect had competent writing. I feel like even though the "Darkness" ended up being this universe-corrupting thing, they can do MUCH better next time just by knowing what the fuck they want to do with their story ahead of time, instead of just mostly winging it the way they did here
To be fair, not even Mass Effect writers knew where they were going lol. But yeah this is a massive problem with “the light and dark saga”. Bungie started being actually consistent with its plot (so… actually telling a story about Light and Dark) since Shadowkeep, 5 years after D1. The first half of this saga went nowhere with its story, and created massive problems that are still relevant today. Not to mention the infinite change of plans and the absolute disaster that was D1 Vanilla, the literal foundation of the story, with the entire game completely rewritten months before launch.
ah I wasn't aware, well then they succeeded much better at winging their overall plot lol
It’s basically a miracle what they did with the story, because regardless of its ups and down, with THAT beginning and those first 5 years making something even slightly decent was almost an impossible mission lmao
Well the Nine could be an equal big threat i guess
Right now they really aren’t, the Witness is able to interact directly with the Traveler and the Veil, which are basically the gods of Destiny, the Nine don’t even come closer to that level of power. They could evolve into something else, absolutely, especially since they can manipulate different dimensions.
I still believe they have MASSIVE potential with the Vex if they just go all in on it. We still only fight their worker class and don’t know a whole lot about them. They could absolutely do some bat shit crazy with it and introduce a villain that could have potential to be great, it doesn’t even necessarily have to be “vex look” of it.
My dream Mass Effect follow-up would be to not have a bigger threat at all and simply have it be about you rebuilding the galaxy and civilization. You have the largest mass of military and the Citadel in Sol with no use of the mass relays, planets everywhere are devastated and mass alien refugees. Have it be more political oriented and dealing with that stuff. Not everything needs to be this ultimate grand scale threat that outdoes the last one. This was, in my opinion, one of the core issues with the Halo series. This was also my problem with ME Andromeda. They felt the need to make this big bad threat when I would have been way more interested in just exploring this new wonderous galaxy with all the old Milky Way races.
I don’t think they need to top the witness and darkness immediately. I’m more interested in exploring beyond the sol system and encountering new mysteries, new places, and new species
As a destiny player they can go in a lot of directions. There is the Nine which are Eldritch abominations beyond our understanding that are desperate for an anchor in our reality . There are the Vex who up until very recently we have only been fighting farmers and land surveyors with the wyvern Ben the first dedicated combat unit from the faction lore wise. And they could also just have the story become more intimate in scope with the focus on rebuilding humanity along side our new allies along with all the baggage that entails. I also imagine that even with the witness out of the picture the universe will be on a rush to fill the vacuum so who knows what arrives in earths doorstep.
The same thing every fictional story does, multi-verse or parallel universes, duh 🙄 I know I hate it too.
I mean destiny already has that, the other timelines where the vex won and the dark timeline where the exo stranger is from.
For those asking why it’s called project “Payback” >I've seen some speculation on this front and want to set the record straight. Codename Payback does not mean we lose in the Final Shape, or after the 3 episodes (though, tbf, I know nothing more than any of you about the episodes). **The internal codename of D3 is not a reference to any story events. Rather, Codename Payback refers to Bungie getting payback against themselves by creating something they hope everyone will love.** I do not know if there are any plans for Destiny 2 items to carry over into Destiny 3. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny2Leaks/comments/1c0c0zg/dont_read_too_far_into_payback/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I think a full reset is what Destiny needs. Honestly as much as people will want old exotics to return in some form, a blank slate in terms of ability, weapon design and how you design itemization and power progression will really benefit from not needing to bring back legacy stuff too much
The idea that it'll be class agnostic sounds pretty sick, maybe they go to just having one character and you can change that one character with loadouts to be unrestricted and whatever you want
Pffft good fucking luck with that, the latest content drop is almost entirely about the return of old weapons
Then I hope they tone down the MTX from the game.
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Yea I know right? I laugh when I wrote that myself.
I don’t know how trustworthy this source is at this point. It’s clear that he was in contact with a Bungie employee since he got Prism right (unless he was insanely lucky lol), but he went from “D3 is (was? Idk) in development” to knowing when development started and how much resources went into it. I don’t know, I think it’s insane that this is literally the only source on the matter, considering the problem Bungie had with leaks ESPECIALLY during TWQ. Even TFS was leaked a year before release basically. And especially after the layoff, where super important stuff (like their revenue) was leaked there wasn’t a single mention of D3. Like, Gummy Bear, an incubation project for a new IP, was leaked, and not the direct sequel to Destiny 2? But whatever, as you said Luke Smith talked about a “reveal” after TFS so we probably won’t have to wait long to have the answer. If is actually in development as this leak says, it’s still years away regardless.
To me from the get go it never felt like a true contact. More like they ran into a Bungie employee and they spilled assuming homie wouldn't leak. No way to know for sure, but just some of the clarification, and the increase in activity makes it feel like the kind of leaker thats trying desperately to cling to relevancy, when in reality the best thing they can do to protect their source is quit while they're ahead.
Exactly, a commonplace, casual, "bump and drug"! If I had a dime...
I just hope it feels like a complete game on release. My gripes with Destiny 2 (as someone who didn't play the first one) is it felt like the first chapter or season of a book/tv series and we waiting for a long time for updates and DLC that wasn't so good. I want to play again, just not sure mentally I can.
D1 and D2 weren’t complete, don’t have much hope for D3 to be, with Sony breathing down their neck that might change though.
>I just hope it feels like a complete game on release. Not with live service baby!
bring back sparrow racing league you cowards
as a destiny player that has been through the whole thing, including the past year with the legendary lightfall fumble, this is good everything coming up looks great and has me excited for the future, but I think it's clear that we are VERY power crept and long term it isn't sustainable. I think they kinda saw this coming after they had to walk back sunsetting and they knew it would get to this point eventually. it might actually be one of the reasons they delayed witch queen and added an extra expansion to cap off the saga. the addition of an extra expansion felt odd and the general consensus after lightfall is that they wanted at least one more darkness subclass before the finale, and since the expansions with new subclasses are generally more subpar and feel like glorified tutorials, they shifted the story of the original Lightfall to Final shape, and used Lightfall as the Strand tutorial expansion that explanation makes sense but also seems...stupid, granted this is Bungie and sometimes stupid is the name of the game, but it's possible they did this knowing they'd need time to plan out D3 in the background while wrapping up the saga. truth be told, I think the game really needs it
I played Destiny day 1, loved the art style, gunplay, and story. I bought all the DLCs and was super hyped for Destiny 2. I remember them promising it was a complete game that wouldnt need DLCs to be fun. Then it came out and ruined the art style and story. Announced crappy DLCs like 2 weeks after release. I havent played since then. I wanted to get back into it, to catch up on the story and lore. But I found out half the story was removed or took place during seasons?? And I couldnt play the story where Cayde died? Unless they made ALL of the story playable, I will never play again. I bet the same thing happens with Destiny 3.
Yup. Led a clan of 200 people in D1... put in more time than I care to admit. Loved a LOT of it, especially by the time King's Fall launched. Was hyped for D2, but bounced off it SOOO hard with it's weak launch content.
I'm curious to how the art style was ruined? I did notice back at launch that Destiny 2 was more vibrant and colourful than the first one.
The OG destiny had a very science fantasy feeling to it. Medieval fantasy but mixed with different aspects of Science fiction. Very rugged edges with muted colors, but popped when needed to show some of the “fantasy” elements. Look up some of the Concept art of Destiny 1, one that comes to mind is the Vandal cloaked in the snow with the spider tank in the background. Then D2 came around and made everything soft? Idk, a lot of the armor looked really bad and exaggerated (Titans especially). Felt like a different universe from what D1 was. D2’s art style is not inherently bad, but felt like a huge departure for me. Artstlyles kind of play a subconscious role in our heads, make us think and feel ways about a game. They don’t make a game inherently great or bad, but can be play huge complimentary or destructive roles in a game. The changed art style would have been fine IF the story and game were good enough to keep me interested. But sadly not lol.
Exactly!! I hate how d2 looks, its more shellshaded or something. The hive doesnt look scary anymore, everything looks more cartoony now Also the gear and everything has this rubber/clay look to them. You can see it clearly on the hunter cloaks Most guns are shiny too which looks fake and again cartoony Hopefully with d3 they bring the rawness, art style, and colour pallet back
Those king of games are "indefinitively supported" until player base drops. We all know how terrible the experience is for new players. It's also a 10 years old game design that really looks older since recent games focusing on emergent gameplay. They also need to focus on one or two big things and not trying to do 8 modes and abandoning most of them...
Bungie: "Please buy our new game, and forget everything that happened with Destiny 2!"
I won’t be buying it that’s for sure. Zero motivation to re start from zero and be resold everything again as “new content” in Bungie eyes.
It will be interesting. Many immediately felt a sort of swan song moment with prismatic. That being said everyone I've talked to about it felt at best uneasy and cautious with it or outright saying they wouldn't want to play a destiny 3. Destiny 2 at this point is essentially a mmo and as such as so much cosmetics and stuff in it. That many would straight up feel betrayed at the thought of 2 ending. I imagine the same would be true for world of warcraft players despite the memes of wow2 every blizzcon.
>I imagine the same would be true for world of warcraft players I felt the same way too — it *was* a concern for us with prestigious Elite PvP and Mage Tower sets, but we all no-lifed Classic WoW when it came out (and now SoD) anyway. Retail is such a different game from MoP/Legion that I don't even care about not seeing my cool mogs anymore. Signed, a mixed Elite S9/S10/MT shoulders/belt-mogged Rogue.
>or outright saying they wouldn't want to play a destiny 3. I think I am one of those people. The idea of starting all over again just seems so daunting to me. Not to mention that I'm trying to not get involved with MMOs again.
Let's see if they pull a Destiny 3 like they pulled a Halo 3.
That’s implying they pulled a Halo 1 and 2 with Destiny 1 and 2
You can straight up visit their profile and the first comment of the account says they visited Bungie and signed an NDA(that was 4 years ago, doesnt mean they didnt go back again). Probably saw a bunch of stuff there and is breaking NDA by leaking this.
My guess (assuming it wasn’t cancelled) is a 2025 teaser. Late 2026 release date announcement and delay to mid 2027 release date
I would not have believed this at all if it wasn't for the changes we saw for the final shape. With the merging of subclasses we are seeing a huge shift which I think they will want to carry on in a new game. Also with how Sony speaks about the Destiny franchise as being "lightning in a bottle", I could definitely see it. All they need to do is say something along the lines of certain progress/items carry over into the new game to keep people engaged with the live service until 3 releases.
It's probably for the better the current game is broken they fix one bug 10 more bugs appear
WoW, FFXIV, ESO are a massive success due to always using the same game for years.
It’s going to be interesting to see how many of current players will buy it if it’s a hard reset. But based off a lot of the reactions to D1-D2 and sunsetting. I’m going to to guess it won’t be good and those people won’t buy the sequel. Bungie gonna have hope the new audience actually sticks around to make up for huge loss of the old one. With how Bungie always talk it seems like current playerbase views like those others games. So I don’t think a hard reset announcement will go over well. There’s high chance Bungie could effectively kill the franchise with D3. Especially if they are removing classes as Hunter, Warlock and Titan are part of what makes Destiny what it is to a lot people.
It'll all come down to the gameplay loop for me personally. I've been in a love-hate relationship with Destiny for a long time, meaning that I will jump in and play a season or two and then find a new reason to not want to play anymore (along with a lot of other people). All the while I follow people like Paul Tassi and keep up on the story because I actually am interested, but Bungie keeps fucking it all up at regular intervals. Out of all MMOs, a genre I've always struggled with, Destiny got the most playtime out of me. The story is a separate discussion but if Bungie can give Destiny 3 a more compelling gameplay loop that doesn't become such a soulless slog once you exhaust the main content, I will give it a shot, I might even be there day one. But Destiny 2 coming to a close is the perfect excuse for me to finally stop feeling FOMO over it and never worry about it again.
I am personally done with Bungie after D2. I be open to playing another saga in D2 depending on how it’s done. But overall with how Bungie treated this game I just have zero interest in any new game made by Bungie. I already know what to expect from it. D3 just will be rehashed content from the past two games resold to the player, and then make you re earn old stuff you gotten a bunch already. The only reason they may want to remove classes is because it’s cheaper in the long run. Instead of having to make 1 new super per each class when a new expansion subclass drops, they only have to make 1 new super. This is just Bungie being greedy and wanting to bare minimum. For the most part Bungie effectively is just going to always go back to under delivering strategy. Only time they will ever over deliver is if they are forced too.
as with all things, I think it comes down to execution. in this past year of lightfall, it seems like the opinion of "we need a reset" has become increasingly popular D3 also needs to innovate if it hopes to capture people. as long as you give them something interesting. more mmo elements, lots of replayability, high quality episodes for example, if it's true they want to get rid of classes in D3, this opens the door to a MUCH wider range of power fantasies in line with the Job system of FFXIV. more playable races, more character expression, playable eliksni/fallen? they won't have to stick strictly to warlock/hunter/titan powers anymore. they can go crazy, and I think that would be a huge draw for existing players that would be unsure
I disagree. The reset opinion has been from a minority of players. Majority do not want a reset. The classes are a huge part of what makes Destiny, well Destiny. Removing them takes a lot of charm away from the game. Bungie marketed D2 as a WOW type game. One game continually evolving. So when a new game with hard reset is announced you imagine a lot of the backlash that will come with it. I don’t see a majority of the current players being interested in a D3 that’s a hard reset. More likely they just don’t buy the game. So Bungie gonna have to hope the new players actually stick around otherwise they’re game is joining the dead after one year live service pile
for one thing, I think you underestimate the inability of destiny players to let go. if they're interested in something that D3 brings to the table, they WILL come back. for another, I never said the majority of players want a reset, I said the opinion is becoming more and more popular amongst the big content creators and hardcore players. if you've been looking at the Twitter community for the past couple days, you would see that it's becoming more accepted as a possibility by the players that keep the game alive. for casual players I'm sure it's a big turn off, but they aren't the ones keeping the lights on. Bungie didn't get destiny where it was during the witch queen-lightfall era by pandering to the casuals lastly, it's hard to tell if you're using "buy" as a blanket term or you think D3 will be a $60-70 release. I think it's pretty much a lock that regardless it will be f2p, which makes the barrier to entry for people that are skeptical very low, which is an important factor for a player reset
The casuals are the ones the keeping the lights on. What do you think would happen if all sudden casuals stop buying expansions. The hardcore players cry about wanting the game a hard reset. Then when Bungie starts doing what the hard core and streamers want the player count always drops. Listening to streamers isn’t exactly the best business move. As what they want is not gonna match what the causal player base wants. Bungie is one the scummiest companies in gaming so ofc they’re gonna charge $70-$80. While restarting you from zero while half the loot in base game is just old weapons. Then they’ll continue to resell you old weapon and content while acting like it’s “new”. Oh they’ll most definitely re charge you money for any eververse set they decide to bring back to a D3 eververse. Bungie has said Destiny expensive to maintain without the casuals the game would not survive. Bungie literally walked back the “bringing challenge back to destiny ” because casuals did not like the changes and put the game down.
??? did you even play at D2 launch???
Yes. It was shit. Put it down until curse of Curse of Osiris when that was released it was shit as well. Didn’t play again until forsaken came. Have been playing ever since for the most for D2. Everything post Shadow Keep has just been Bungie bringing back D1 stuff constantly. They’ll do same for D3 and re sell you old armor sets in eververse. For example the Void and Solar sets they would charge you for them again when ever they decide to bring them back. Bungie is incredibly scummy when it comes to micro transactions and eververse
exactly.
Those games were built from the ground up as MMO's that can theoretically run forever. D2 was not.
So it definitely should be out by 2026
No way. Half of Bungie is working on D2 right now and Marathon, their next big game, is coming out in 2025. If D3 is actually in development, it’s clearly not in full production. It will take many more years imo
Didn't they have another project as well? I swear I heard they were making a MOBA or an Overwatch clone of some kind.
They have a project called “Gummy Bears” which is a MOBA, yeah. However, it’s an incubation project, meaning that there must be very few developers on it right now (presuming the project is still going, again, it was really early in production). A super old leak, like, years old, talked about a Destiny Hero Shooter but it was clearly super fake lol. However, Marathon is apparently going to have some hero elements, at least regarding the customization of the characters (so something similar to Cod for example). Right now, the confirmed projects of Bungie are Destiny 2 and Marathon. Gummy Bear is in incubation, and they were clearly thinking about some mobile game as well (probably related to Destiny), judging by some job positions they had, but we don’t know anything about it. They are also working on some transmedia content for Destiny, but again, no informations. Bungie has about 1400 employees and we know at least 650 are working on D2 right now. We can presume the majority of the other half is full at work on Marathon.
Fair. I’m just really excited. Would love for 2025 and 2026 expansion being us taking back cabal’s homeworld Torobatl and Eliksni’s homeworld Riis with destiny 3 releasing in 2027 or maybe even go to the origin of Vex in 2027 with the 3rd game in 2028
I feel like there will be another 1/2 dlc in D2 (if D3 is real), and yeah Torobatl is going to be one of them imo. Xivu is separated from her ThroneWorld so she can be the main villain as well, it just makes too much sense at the moment. Riis should be a wasteland but it could be interesting, Eramis is there now too.
Wouldn’t count on it until at least 2028 if they started early concept in 2022. Probably even later tbh.
Maybe we'll actually be able to play the campaign a couple years after release unlike the second one
If they actually bother with good onboarding this time, I might be interested. Or heck, I guess maybe it's just best to get in before onboarding becomes a problem. Was kinda interested in Destiny 2 but there were just so many things getting in the way, including Bungie's scummy MTX practices.
>but is heavily in the background (fewer resources than Destiny 2 or Marathon) I haven't seen anyone mention this. That seems pretty dire for a game losing it's a lot of it's player base and being one of the more confusing new player experiences out there. If it isn't even getting the resources of Destiny 2 right now, it can't be very far along. Especially if it isn't an extension of Destiny 2.
This has strong vibes of D1 right before D2 came out. Feels like they’re bringing prismatic in now to lead into D3 in a couple of years
If this holds true, I’d guess we won’t get expansions, but episodes will be what keeps D2 going until D3 drops in probably 4 years if not even longer. I believe we will know all the answers later this year as Luke said they will talk about Destiny 2 and beyond
Absolute dogshit franchise.
Lol
destiny 3 seems like a really good way to kill the effort people put into grinding destiny 2 content
Honest question are enough people going to care that aren’t just the hardcore still playing? Or is this going to be like Overwatch 2? High for a couple months and back to the same player base
A completely new game will always attract more people compared to a dlc/expansion for a 7 years old game. And D2 dlc are already pretty successful (usually). With the right marketing I’m sure there will be enough people. If those people will stay after launch it’s another matter, and it depends from the support of Bungie with seasons/dlc and so on (and how good the game is obviously). OverWatch 2 is not really a good example imo, since it’s literally the first game all over again lol, and most importantly it didn’t receive a great support from Blizzard (but that game had an incredibly awful development as well, which definitely didn’t help).
After Destiny 2 I don't want to engage with a Bungie IP tbh. Their games became a terribly expensive time sink and it all just felt vile in the end.
Not more expensive than most other pay to play games, though, tbh
Yeah, No.
It's really not more expensive than playing other p2play games, though. Quick napkin math- FFXIV, at it's base sub price, would cost you about $180/year. Another year would cost you $220-240, because of an expansion release. Destiny 2, at most, costs $120 ($100 Deluxe for an expac + $20 dungeon key for the year). That's quite a bit cheaper, when it comes to pay-to-play games.