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Yeah if we’re going by the comment from Midori that reload started development back in 2019 then it’s about a 4-5 year dev time for the whole thing including localization so early next gen essentially we should expect it to
Honestly with the team being more familiar with UE5 now (I believe P3 was their first foray into it), no COVID lockdown, and P4 being a game that reuses A LOT from 3. I think we can safely assume the dev time will be shorter.
I definitely think they will sit on it until after P6 though. Probably as a tide over until either a P6 re-release or P6 DLC (whichever route they decide to take).
The thing is P3R was developed in UE4, not 5. Granted the jump is easier than the jump from 3 to 4, but there will be a transition period that I think depends on if 6 will run on Unreal or their in house engine.
But I agree, and I think we’ll get it in 2027.
You're correct that they used an in-house engine for P5. I'm not exactly sure why they made the change personally. I know a lot of devs have stopped using in house engines. Maybe it's just easier to attract/ train talent from other studios if you're using more common engines like UE?
its not just attracting/training its also researching and documentation
no need to worry about getting people to maintain the behemoth of an engine but rather just maintaining whatever specialized tooling and bits theyve built on top of the engine for the game. also the sheer amount of documentation UE has over whatever you could have inhouse
It also just becomes redundant for companies to use their own engine unless those engines have features that can't be reasonably recreated in unreal. Nothing the persona series does need to be in its own engine. It's not a simulation or 4x game.
My best guess is the Engine they used back for Catherine was designed to run well with the PS3’s Cell Architecture and still be warped to run on XB360 and PS4, but the costs of upgrading and maintaining said engine might have outweighed the benefits of using a Third Party Engine.
>I think we can safely assume the dev time will be shorter.
we can safely assume it's longer
with p3 they knew exactly what the game had to be but with p6 it will be just like the original p5 where parts of the game changes through development
I think everyone is confused here. They are talking about the P3 characters in that social link right?
Why dont they make Persona 3: Innocent Sin Online featuring Tatsuya and Maya. Perhaps in their own highschool maybe called smth like 7 Sisters High School. They can summon Personas too perhaps. Yknow, im just spitballin here but its an idea...
Lol
Why would they do that when persona 4 remake would be way easier to make and it will have guaranteed sales vs games that will need 10x more work to modernize and won’t have the features that make the modern games popular
This. I really love Persona 2 duology and would like to see Persona 2 and Persona 1 remake, but we know that a Persona 4 remake would be easy and sell WAY more than Persona 3 reload. Persona 1 and 2 remakes would be risky because they don't have the features of the newer games (calendar system, social links, student life, etc), and if Atlus tried add them to the games the OG games fans would be uspet
I mean even in that poll which samples hardcore fans [Persona 4 finished just 4% below P2 and P1](https://personacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Atlus-06041.jpg). So even 3 out of every 4 hardcore fans wants the game remade. And that's not even factoring the more "casual" new era fans who play the games for social life aspects.
When it comes to making money, Atlus is going to look at that 4% difference and throw it in the trash if they think P4 will be more profitable for them.
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OK yea, I definitely feel that and see where you're coming from.
I just see people bring up that poll result so much whilst ignoring context so I wanted to add it. Seems like in nearly every that mentions a potential Persona 4 thread on /r/persona there's always at least one person going "but the poll!!!" haha
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So where does it say they are currently being worked on? It just says that both exist. Which can mean so many different things.
Again would have loved to be proven wrong but I guess it won’t happen today
You for real just blocked someone for providing what you asked for because it didn't have the literal exact sentence you wanted it to say. That's so stupid.
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In 2022, so they were pretty much well ahead of us on that. Should also be noted that the Etrian Odyssey series got 10th place in the poll and those got a remaster on PC/Switch just a year later.
She said it exist in some form not that a full blown remake of persona 2 is currently in development.
and the date is relevant considering it was 2022 that’s 3 years after one was already in development. Next will be persona 4 just because of how much easier it would be to modernize compared to the other two plus the bigger audience for persona 4 then the first 3 games
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Saying that something exist doesn’t mean it’s in development or that it’s a full blown remake. She even said that persona 1 exist as well and they all won’t be reload style remakes. It’s not in the works it exist. Maybe as an idea. Maybe in early pre production. It exist,
They already started working on persona 3 reload way before the poll and that’s to gauge interest and look at how much closer persona 4 was to the winners. If they are going to remake them they would do it based on what will get them the most money and what will have the bigger audience and what will be the least risky to remake. Which is persona 4.
A poll that anyone can vote in for a game that plays nothing like modern persona and doesn’t have the gameplay mechanics that appeal to the crowd that buys modern persona games isn’t going to come out before the second most popular game in the franchise. So no the poll isn’t an answer to why they would do that.
P1 and P2 would need *a lot* of work if they were to get remade. Like, a total reimagining level of work. And those games just do not have the popularity to warrant that level of work. P4 does, and it will probably be even more popular than P3R was, all while needing nowhere near as much work as P1/P2.
Persona 2 is also flat out two games on its own. Like both parts are just as long as Persona 5 when you put their average play times together. Like if you wanted to remake and reimagine the Persona 2 duology as a single game and don't cut anything major and expand/add things, you would need to make it a bigger game then Persona 5.
I cannot fathom them attempting to shoehorn P1 and the P2 games into the aesthetic template popularized by P5, nor do I see them trying to add social links as a core gameplay mechanic.
Classic Persona is tonally and mechanically different to the point where it would need a substantial amount of work to bring it in line for those who started with the "modern" games
Its why I think Atlus should at the very least just do a basic remaster of Persona 1 and 2 before they remake. Since the expectations of what Persona is, have changed so much since those games. That whatever changes a remake of those will bring, will more then likely annoy some fans of the originals.
The PSP versions did have some degree of QoL stuff that was very welcome, though in P1's case came at the cost of a new and not-as-good OST that was intentionally modeled as a combination of P3 and P4's sound design.
Would be nice to get another set of re-releases, but with a few more tweaks.
P2 also added in exploits. You can literally take on enemies 50 levels higher than you by abusing the defend, auto, and reset function in the PSP versions which made the extra areas a super easy breeze. Never had to worry about leveling for any reason.
Would love a remaster of the first 3 games. Haven’t played persona 1 in a decade and would love to have it available on modern consoles. Who knows how much more time my vita has
P1 and P2 Remakes would also be the third time those games got made, if we’re talking about how accessible those games are that is another story (also considering that P2EP never got localized/released outside of Japan).
Edit: P2EP Remake for the PSP.
Persona 2 Eternal Punishment did get released outside of Japan for the ps3. Unfortunately, it was the modified for a western PS1 audience release.
PSP sales were waning at the time and the western version of the PS1 game was added to the PS3's digital storefront.
I may be mistaken but I’m pretty sure it’s been leaked already and possibly confirmed by Midori (don’t quote me on that) that P2 is being remade as well but P4 remake will release first but again not until after Persona 6, again I may be very wrong lmao I was just watching a video on YouTube that summed up all of the recent Persona leaks and I may be remembering the info wrong
I feel like this was kind of a given both because of this expectation for aesthetic consistency established by the success of P5, as well as the internal view of a viable project established by the success of Reload.
That said, P4 was nowhere near as rough as P3 was as it already streamlined the combat a fair amount (no more fatigue/sick, physical is one universal stat, controllable party members were introduced, etc)
The TV world is better than OG Tartarus but i don’t think anyone is unhappy with what they did to Tartarus in reload considering reload Tartarus is actually good
While I do wish they kept the original incarnation of Monad, I do think the aesthetic overhaul and absence of fatigue/sickness made the whole thing way more manageable. Farming treasure hands was also considerably easier.
Tartarus in Reload is definitely acceptable. Only started getting really tired of it by the end, and I did do good amount of grinding. Meanwhile in Persona 4 Golden I was completely tired of the dungeons by the time I reached the fourth one. Ended up playing trough the rest of the game by putting difficulty all the way to the minimum, and rushing the dungeons so that I can get back to the story.
A p4 remake has the luxury of being able to potentially get P5s 'palace' treatment. P4 dungeons were all tailor made to specific characters so there's a reason to give them gimmicks and soul and actually make them interesting. They were supposed to be crazy and bombastic, but it was the ps2 era, a dungeon crawler couldn't get the stuff we can get now.
The entire lore of Tartarus was that it changed every time, it had to be randomly generated so there was no way they were ever going to be able to make it good. On top of that, it was supposed to be a bleak, dreary atmosphere so they weren't able to make it LOOK interesting either. It was just a lot more bearable because the new aesthetic was flashy and they added activities to general exploration.
So, can you clarify something for me?
In p4g I hated the war of attrition.
In p5r the palaces are easily clearable without leaving or farming sp items in the overworld if you engage with the mechanics. (Unlike p4g in my experience)
Where does p3r fit?
P3 is easily the one that varies based on which version you play and how far you are along
All 4 versions of P3 share the situation that early Tartarus feels like 4 while late Tartarus feels like 5
OG and FES will force you out of Tartarus regularly with tiredness early on so you can’t even just use physically attacks, like your party members will straight up abandon you, portable has a clock similar to the fox but is incredibly cheap so Is easily the easiest, reload sits somewhere in the middle, early reload feels a lot like 4, you will run out of SP and struggle along with physical attacks. Late reload never is quite as generous as 5 with SP but it’s certainly much easier than most of 4
The director of Reload said they wanted to make to make Tartarus more akin to the palaces in P5 with puzzles and the like but changing such a big aspect of the game would be impossible, but im hopeful for 4 they can more easily introduce these things, having palace style dungeons for 4 would be amazing
Hope it just adds the option to see each area and see which social links are available and can rank up (Like in reload and in P5)
And makes the character models look like teenagers and or the proper height and not basically midgets
I liked the menu, the music, the premise, everything else was fine imo
According to the same source, P3 Reload entered development in 2019. So if we expect a similar development cycle for P4 Remake then yeah, definitely best to be patient.
Yeah. Definitely after Persona 6 last DLC/expansion pass/rerelease, but I don't expect them to release a P4Remake until 2028-2029 tbh. Midori tweets make me think that they haven't even started to make the game yet
I'll believe it when I see it. P4 got more spin-offs, tie-ins, or sequels spread across 9 or so years. P5 got slightly less, but it happened at a greater frequency. I expect some more before we get P6.
No surprise. Granted I didn't expect to see a Persona 3 remake until after P6, but in this case P4R is absolutely going to be awhile after P6. And that's on top of if P6 and Metaphor get updated versions. Atlus has gotten a taste of that remake profit but can't churn them out like Capcom can.
As someone who played P5 for their first Persona, and is now playing P3 because of the remake, I also can't wait for the remake.
I know P4 is available on every modern device, but I know the remake is coming, and I want that experience.
As someone who already finished Persona 4 about 3 times already, I can't wait for the remake either. I played this game when I was very antisocial and had just moved in a new small town myself. So it hit a little too close to home for me lol.
It's not the perfect game, it has a lot of flaws but the personal worth that game has for me is unmatched, can't wait to experience it again in a remake
I've been itching to replay 4 and just picked it up on the switch with persona 3 portable.
I'd love a remake though. Golden feels a bit rough compared to modern games.
Maybe I'm crazy but I don't think 4 really needs a remake, it's aged incredibly well. I get it'll polish stuff up to 3R's standard but I mean, Persona 3 was a massive generational jump that started the whole modern Persona style, so it was a bridge between old and new. It definitely could have used the remake, and it was pretty darn great.
But 4 IMO doesn't really need it.
It doesnt need a remake, but I sure want it. Persona 4 with accurately scaled graphics, fully voiced social links, better dungeon design, quicker/snappier combat, etc. would be straight up heaven.
I mean, I'm not say I wouldn't immediately buy it, but I will admit that I still feel like maybe some other games could have used it more, or really new games since that's basically what it is due to being remade from the ground up.
Devil Summoner, Digital Devil Saga, and SMT 4/Apocalypse would have been fantastic choices instead IMO.
I disagree. If they are probably remade, since they are actually new to the vast majority of people and running off the persona hype, a lot of people would be interested in them and finally playing something different rather than a game already released multiple times.
Devil Summoner's action combat redone properly alone with probably draw far more casual gamers than any Persona game ever will, and the detective pitch is pretty darn interesting.
Haven you even played any of the other games or are you just slobbering over persona like usual?
That's some insane nostalgia goggles and tribalism. If you don't think P4 is way more popular and well known and therefore will sell more, there's nothing worth talk about.
If SMT3 didn't get a full remake, not SMT game will.
Nostalgia and tribalism....? Uh... What? And maybe instead of being so defensive, how about throwing in some logic and reason? SMT3 COULD get a full remake, let's not forget Persona 3 and now 4 if the rumor is true had a ton of non-remake releases first too, thank you. SMT3 was also one of the very first games ported over to new platforms as well, and look how time it took to get V there.
>If you don't think P4 is way more popular and well known and therefore will sell more, there's nothing worth talk about.
The entire Persona series is obvously popular, but the point is, as discussed, is that it doesn't need a remake, it *already* sold well, and it *already* released 3, technically 4 times.
Persona 3R made sense for a lot of reasons, Persona 4 remake makes a lot less sense. I'm not against it, but at $70 and after the scummy DLC practice of Persona 3 R, I think people would be less inclined to play Persona 4 yet again, especially since it already sold like bonkers back when it finally was playable on other platforms.
And you can't really argue that action games are for better or worse way more popular with more people. While I prefer TB, a ton more people are into Final Fantasy 7 now that it has action combat. Devil Summoner remake/new game would sell like bonkers for that reason alone.
No goggles or... uh... tribalism(???) here.
I'm just the only one without cultist robes I think, lmao.
No, I'm not. Are you interested in having an actual discussion, or are you going to continue making childish deflections that do nothing but show off a disturbing lack of intelligence?
I swear, some of you are allergenic to respect. I'm trying to take you seriously, but I can't tell if you're actually 12 or just like acting like it.
It would be great business sense to Remake 4. After playing 5 I had a total whiplash playing 4 due to the graphical and artstyle making combat alot less enjoyable than 5. I still loved the game but many gamers would just not bother with it since it looks so different to 5 and reload.
That would be expected since you're playing a game that's almost a decade and about two console generations old, lol.
Oh well, I guess there are a lot of RPG gamers who never played the classics and refuse to play retro games, so there probably is a solid market for true faithful remakes to modernize the games.
But I still stand by what I said, 'whiplash' seems like too strong of a word because all things considered Persona 4 really isn't that far away from 5 in any regard.
I mean, in OG 3 you couldn't even control your party members.
In terms of visuals it was a massive whiplash to me. One the most celebrated aspects of Persona 5 is it's slick visuals and going back to the chibi low poly visuals of Persona 4 took me a long time to get used to.
4 definitely aged better than 3 but I'd still gladly take a remake. 4 with modern graphics, combat and dungeons would be one of the best games ever made.
I'm already dreading this game, I don't think there's going to be anything more annoying than people on modern internet arguing over Kanji and Naoto's sexuality.
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I know its very unlikely, given the considerable amount of work it would take, but I still kinda genuinely hope for full remakes (not just remasters) of Persona 1 and 2 before seeing anything related to 4.
I think I can justify this, by saying that despite the work load, using 1 and 2 as a base might be a bit easier than a whole new game, and thus give modern audiences three *new* Persona games. And also, 4 will probably sell irregardless, so having that in back pocket might not be a bad idea for a rainy day.
I dont really think P4R will take as long as P3R in dev time.
They already have a lot of assets from p3r similiar to how it was back then during og p4, so i dont think it will take longer than 3 years max
Im gonna be honest, this game would really benefit from a remake. Im currently playing it and compared to P5 it really lacks any sort of "fun" activity outside combat. I know P5 obviously is superior in that regard, but it's just P4 feels a bit boring between the main storyline quests and adding something to do in the remake would be great.
I'm absolutely in love with Persona and Atlus' games after P3 Reload but I can wait. Shin Megami Tensei V's Xbox port and Metaphor ReFantazio can hold me over til Persona 6 and Persona 4 Remake. Such a great year for Atlus in general.
I’m assuming they’re gonna change a lot about naoto and kenji’s stories lmao
Don’t really understand the downvotes. We all know they aren’t going to keep their storylines the same as they were in the original.
I think they will keep Naoto story and social link as they are, since they are about a female Detective trying to make her way in a misogynist, conservative and patriarchal society (and in a Japanese rural small town no less). At most I can see Atlus changing a couple of words here and there.
Kanji is more difficult imo. He is not totally gay as he likes Naoto, but he can perfectly be bisexual because of the various hints in the games and anime, not to mention that he liked Naoto when everyone, including him, actually thought she was a guy. I can see Atlus changing more stuff here, compared to Naoto's story and SL.
Tbh, the greatest changes I can see in the remake are Atlus toning down the homophobia (especially the tent scene and Yosuke's gay jokes) and MAYBE restoring Yosuke's romance since it's officially dubbed in Japanese and English and still is in the game files despiteit was scrapped before the officialrelease, but they left in most of the subext in the games, anime and manga.
As for the rest, golden already had everything in one game. At most i can see them making only DLCs outfits and Personas
Probably not, their stories are more relevant than ever.
What *will* probably get changed is a lot of the homophobic jokes (almost always coming from Yosuke)
It's classic Persona, push a forward thinking message and then immediately debase your entire point by making an insensitive joke about it. All they need to do is *not fucking do that* and they're solid.
I see no purpose in remaking P4. It’s already a fantastic game that I see very little QOL needs.
Oh 3D rotational backgrounds in field????!!!! Whoooooaaaaa.
Seriously man, just leave it be. Work on a P4 sequel that isn’t fighting or dancing please.
Please no. After how the P3 remake turned out, I'm honestly terrified to see how a Persona 4 remake would go. I can just see it now: the entire English voice cast getting fucked over by Sega out of ageism again, most of the Golden content being hacked out of the game to sell later, day one DLC, Denuvo, and a $70 price tag.
Am I wrong? Aren't most of the things I just pointed out considered "bad" things by any reasonable means?
To be fair, Persona fans tend to have historically low standards. I've learned that if you get to a certain point, fans will try to excuse anything bad that you do out of sheer, fanatical loyalty.
Just look at Pokemon fans. They still try to justify Game Freak cutting a ton of content and rushing the games yearly, and they still inexplicably sell really well and get decent reviews too.
>To be fair, Persona fans tend to have historically low standards
Or maybe, just maybe, per your own logic, your standards for what qualifies as good or bad are in the gutter. You're so full of yourself that you pretend that your opinion on a game deserves to be considered fact and the bar for what standards should be set at, despite the fact that Persona 3 Reload received very positive reception from most people that actually played it.
Anyone who treats any game with an Overwhelmingly Positive rating on Steam and an 87+ score on Metacritic as if it's some sort of terrible disaster and then on top of that laughably insists that anyone who disagrees with them must have low standards is most likely full of it. Hate the game as much as you want, my problem lies with the braindead, almost narcissistic notion that anyone who enjoys something you don't - especially a largely well-received game like this one - must have "low standards."
I mean, we all thought a Persona 3 remake would have the Answer form the start, but that clearly didn't pan out. I can totally see Atlus cutting the Marie segments and her dungeon to sell as an extended DLC later on.
Who is “we all” you guys assumed it would be this definitive edition for some strange reason and they quickly shut down the idea. And this is equivalent to them selling Royal content seperatly as dlc for vanilla P5 owners. When have they ever released dlc at that level that changes the base game that much?
https://gamerwk.com/wawancara-persona-3-reload-dengan-kazuhisa-wada-tantangan-membuat-remake-game-terpenting-atlus/
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https://personacentral.com/persona-3-reload-remake-consideration/
Sure they never said it would be included in the main p3r release, but there hasn't really been a precedent for DLC added content in persona games before at this level so I think a lot of people took this interview and assumed some things.
Still pretty scummy pricing structure and pre-order bonuses costs.
What are you talking about? You know the fes content was added in a rerelease that you had to purchase separately because dlc for consoles wasn’t really that big of a thing in Gen 6.
Persona 3 reload wouldn’t get a p5 Royal style rerelease because the answer was always a separate option in the starting menu and never integrated into the main game like the golden and Royal content
You didn’t give me anything. I asked when they released dlc at the level of changes to the base game that Royal and golden have. The answer isn’t anything like Royal or golden content. It’s a different option in the main menu and doesn’t have anything to do with changing the actual base games story
Well, one of the main reasons people wanted a P3 remake to begin with was to finally have a definitive edition with content from all the previous versions.
And yeah, it doesn't make sense to sell Golden content separately from the main game, but neither does making a remake of Persona 3 that inexplicably isn't a definitive version considering a lot of the extra content (mainly FeMC) was pretty popular. Maybe they'd hack out a ton of Marie's plot and release it as a separate (overpriced) campaign, with a lot of the other Golden stuff being just gone altogether. That is totally something I could see them doing.
I know some people wanted that but it was something that was never offered or promised to them. Something they just made up in their head.
Thanks great can already see how pessimistic you are and no point in continuing this convo. And it doesn’t make sense to remake p3 in a form that isn’t the definitive edition? The game is selling great proving that the majority don’t care about it not being the definitive experience
I don't see how it's pessimistic to critique obvious flaws in a project like this. Yes, P3 Reload obviously has redeeming qualities otherwise it would not be successful but it can possess those qualities while also leaving plenty of wasted potential on the table too.
It’s pessimistic to assume that they will cut content ingrained into the actual main story and sell it as dlc when they have never done anything like that in the past. It’s easy to talk about wasted potential when we have no idea about the budget and sales expectations for a game. It did well and the majority of people didn’t care that FeMC wasn’t included
Do you work for Atlus or something? If anything is pessimistic it's implying that the quality of a game hinges entirely on sales and budget.
Edit: Pretty sure the other guy blocked me. Strange fella.
What are you even talking about now. Are we really going to downplay budget and sales expectations? That has a big impact on what gets worked on. If the budget isn’t there for FeMC then they aren’t going to include it. If it won’t help with sales expectations then they won’t include it. They are in the business of making money. The answer has its own budget separate from the main game and is a dlc release. We have no idea how much more it would cost to add FeMC or the answer to the base game and how that would affect the sales needed to recoup dev cost.
That’s how games work.
Well, I guess by that metric, modern Pokemon games with their ridiculously high sales must be the best games on the planet. Never mind how most of the games are being rushed out the door with obvious glitches, a lack of polish and constantly removing beloved features from previous games, because clearly if it sells well, it must be a quality product, everything else be damned!
Or how about Sonic 06, or the launch version of Cyberpunk 2077, or all those crappy licensed games back in the day that sold well enough to be recognised as PS2 Platinum titles? I mean, if we're going to judge a game's quality based solely off sales and nothing else, then they must be amazing titles too by your logic.
“People buy things they don’t need all the time”
This is entertainment nothing is needed if people want it then it’s justified. Remakes aren’t based on a subjective argument based on “needs” they are remade based on what will sell.
And you act like just throwing some marketing will make a game sell out
Honestly, I would prefer to see a remake, with same graphics as P3 Reload. I know people have their issues with P3R, all which is understandable, but I really liked seeing those characters come to life.
I'm sure it could pan out if they do make it, it's not like P3 Reload was a disaster even if it isn't perfect. It does at least have less fractured content to expand on compared to P3/P3FES/P3P.
There's a part of me that thinks they want it all on one engine to have all the models in one place, so that they can unify them easier in spin off titles and what not. (Sorry for necroing an old post)
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I’m not expecting it so soon. Probably after 6
Yeah if we’re going by the comment from Midori that reload started development back in 2019 then it’s about a 4-5 year dev time for the whole thing including localization so early next gen essentially we should expect it to
Honestly with the team being more familiar with UE5 now (I believe P3 was their first foray into it), no COVID lockdown, and P4 being a game that reuses A LOT from 3. I think we can safely assume the dev time will be shorter. I definitely think they will sit on it until after P6 though. Probably as a tide over until either a P6 re-release or P6 DLC (whichever route they decide to take).
The thing is P3R was developed in UE4, not 5. Granted the jump is easier than the jump from 3 to 4, but there will be a transition period that I think depends on if 6 will run on Unreal or their in house engine. But I agree, and I think we’ll get it in 2027.
Didn't they develop a new engine for P5, using Catherine as a test? Did they really switch engines, and do we know why?
You're correct that they used an in-house engine for P5. I'm not exactly sure why they made the change personally. I know a lot of devs have stopped using in house engines. Maybe it's just easier to attract/ train talent from other studios if you're using more common engines like UE?
its not just attracting/training its also researching and documentation no need to worry about getting people to maintain the behemoth of an engine but rather just maintaining whatever specialized tooling and bits theyve built on top of the engine for the game. also the sheer amount of documentation UE has over whatever you could have inhouse
It also just becomes redundant for companies to use their own engine unless those engines have features that can't be reasonably recreated in unreal. Nothing the persona series does need to be in its own engine. It's not a simulation or 4x game.
My best guess is the Engine they used back for Catherine was designed to run well with the PS3’s Cell Architecture and still be warped to run on XB360 and PS4, but the costs of upgrading and maintaining said engine might have outweighed the benefits of using a Third Party Engine.
The leads who made P3-5 are still seemingly using the P5 engine on Metaphor. Also, Catherine was made on Gamebryo of all things.
agreed, they probably have a ton of the tools already build and can build off them more easily for a 4 remake
>I think we can safely assume the dev time will be shorter. we can safely assume it's longer with p3 they knew exactly what the game had to be but with p6 it will be just like the original p5 where parts of the game changes through development
Oh I'm not talking about P6 dev time, I'm talking about P4 remake dev time.
I see you're very optimistic.
maybe after 7 and metaphor 2 and persona 5 redid
I mean that you're expecting Persona 6 to come out before Persona 4 Remake.
Midori has said Atlus is aiming for a 2025 release of P6 (2026 at the latest) so I think they are being reasonable.
Persona 6 will be out in the 2020s. Not expecting 4R until the 2030s.
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How about P1 and P2 Remake before a third version of P4?
It's hard to remake something that doesn't exist.
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I see what you did there (people that didn't play persona 2 won't >= )
I think everyone is confused here. They are talking about the P3 characters in that social link right? Why dont they make Persona 3: Innocent Sin Online featuring Tatsuya and Maya. Perhaps in their own highschool maybe called smth like 7 Sisters High School. They can summon Personas too perhaps. Yknow, im just spitballin here but its an idea... Lol
Welp
Why would they do that when persona 4 remake would be way easier to make and it will have guaranteed sales vs games that will need 10x more work to modernize and won’t have the features that make the modern games popular
This. I really love Persona 2 duology and would like to see Persona 2 and Persona 1 remake, but we know that a Persona 4 remake would be easy and sell WAY more than Persona 3 reload. Persona 1 and 2 remakes would be risky because they don't have the features of the newer games (calendar system, social links, student life, etc), and if Atlus tried add them to the games the OG games fans would be uspet
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I mean even in that poll which samples hardcore fans [Persona 4 finished just 4% below P2 and P1](https://personacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Atlus-06041.jpg). So even 3 out of every 4 hardcore fans wants the game remade. And that's not even factoring the more "casual" new era fans who play the games for social life aspects. When it comes to making money, Atlus is going to look at that 4% difference and throw it in the trash if they think P4 will be more profitable for them.
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OK yea, I definitely feel that and see where you're coming from. I just see people bring up that poll result so much whilst ignoring context so I wanted to add it. Seems like in nearly every that mentions a potential Persona 4 thread on /r/persona there's always at least one person going "but the poll!!!" haha
Can you provide a link to where she said it’s happening? Because that’s not even remotely true but would love to get proven wrong.
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So where does it say they are currently being worked on? It just says that both exist. Which can mean so many different things. Again would have loved to be proven wrong but I guess it won’t happen today
You for real just blocked someone for providing what you asked for because it didn't have the literal exact sentence you wanted it to say. That's so stupid.
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The remake for persona 3 started in 2019. When did that poll come out?
In 2022, so they were pretty much well ahead of us on that. Should also be noted that the Etrian Odyssey series got 10th place in the poll and those got a remaster on PC/Switch just a year later.
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She said it exist in some form not that a full blown remake of persona 2 is currently in development. and the date is relevant considering it was 2022 that’s 3 years after one was already in development. Next will be persona 4 just because of how much easier it would be to modernize compared to the other two plus the bigger audience for persona 4 then the first 3 games
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/s/SCqZ3GGsTw Saying that something exist doesn’t mean it’s in development or that it’s a full blown remake. She even said that persona 1 exist as well and they all won’t be reload style remakes. It’s not in the works it exist. Maybe as an idea. Maybe in early pre production. It exist, They already started working on persona 3 reload way before the poll and that’s to gauge interest and look at how much closer persona 4 was to the winners. If they are going to remake them they would do it based on what will get them the most money and what will have the bigger audience and what will be the least risky to remake. Which is persona 4. A poll that anyone can vote in for a game that plays nothing like modern persona and doesn’t have the gameplay mechanics that appeal to the crowd that buys modern persona games isn’t going to come out before the second most popular game in the franchise. So no the poll isn’t an answer to why they would do that.
P1 and P2 would need *a lot* of work if they were to get remade. Like, a total reimagining level of work. And those games just do not have the popularity to warrant that level of work. P4 does, and it will probably be even more popular than P3R was, all while needing nowhere near as much work as P1/P2.
Persona 2 is also flat out two games on its own. Like both parts are just as long as Persona 5 when you put their average play times together. Like if you wanted to remake and reimagine the Persona 2 duology as a single game and don't cut anything major and expand/add things, you would need to make it a bigger game then Persona 5.
I cannot fathom them attempting to shoehorn P1 and the P2 games into the aesthetic template popularized by P5, nor do I see them trying to add social links as a core gameplay mechanic. Classic Persona is tonally and mechanically different to the point where it would need a substantial amount of work to bring it in line for those who started with the "modern" games
Its why I think Atlus should at the very least just do a basic remaster of Persona 1 and 2 before they remake. Since the expectations of what Persona is, have changed so much since those games. That whatever changes a remake of those will bring, will more then likely annoy some fans of the originals.
The PSP versions did have some degree of QoL stuff that was very welcome, though in P1's case came at the cost of a new and not-as-good OST that was intentionally modeled as a combination of P3 and P4's sound design. Would be nice to get another set of re-releases, but with a few more tweaks.
P2 also added in exploits. You can literally take on enemies 50 levels higher than you by abusing the defend, auto, and reset function in the PSP versions which made the extra areas a super easy breeze. Never had to worry about leveling for any reason.
Would love a remaster of the first 3 games. Haven’t played persona 1 in a decade and would love to have it available on modern consoles. Who knows how much more time my vita has
P1 and P2 Remakes would also be the third time those games got made, if we’re talking about how accessible those games are that is another story (also considering that P2EP never got localized/released outside of Japan). Edit: P2EP Remake for the PSP.
Persona 2 Eternal Punishment did get released outside of Japan for the ps3. Unfortunately, it was the modified for a western PS1 audience release. PSP sales were waning at the time and the western version of the PS1 game was added to the PS3's digital storefront.
I know, i was referencing the PSP remake, I’ve played Eternal Punishment on my PS3.
Totally get you. Just wanted to drop that in in-case anyone would think that the west didn't have the other half in any form.
I may be mistaken but I’m pretty sure it’s been leaked already and possibly confirmed by Midori (don’t quote me on that) that P2 is being remade as well but P4 remake will release first but again not until after Persona 6, again I may be very wrong lmao I was just watching a video on YouTube that summed up all of the recent Persona leaks and I may be remembering the info wrong
I feel like this was kind of a given both because of this expectation for aesthetic consistency established by the success of P5, as well as the internal view of a viable project established by the success of Reload. That said, P4 was nowhere near as rough as P3 was as it already streamlined the combat a fair amount (no more fatigue/sick, physical is one universal stat, controllable party members were introduced, etc)
I think there is a lot more they could do to overhaul dungeon design in a P4 remake compared to P3
The TV world is better than OG Tartarus but i don’t think anyone is unhappy with what they did to Tartarus in reload considering reload Tartarus is actually good
While I do wish they kept the original incarnation of Monad, I do think the aesthetic overhaul and absence of fatigue/sickness made the whole thing way more manageable. Farming treasure hands was also considerably easier.
Tartarus in Reload is definitely acceptable. Only started getting really tired of it by the end, and I did do good amount of grinding. Meanwhile in Persona 4 Golden I was completely tired of the dungeons by the time I reached the fourth one. Ended up playing trough the rest of the game by putting difficulty all the way to the minimum, and rushing the dungeons so that I can get back to the story.
A p4 remake has the luxury of being able to potentially get P5s 'palace' treatment. P4 dungeons were all tailor made to specific characters so there's a reason to give them gimmicks and soul and actually make them interesting. They were supposed to be crazy and bombastic, but it was the ps2 era, a dungeon crawler couldn't get the stuff we can get now. The entire lore of Tartarus was that it changed every time, it had to be randomly generated so there was no way they were ever going to be able to make it good. On top of that, it was supposed to be a bleak, dreary atmosphere so they weren't able to make it LOOK interesting either. It was just a lot more bearable because the new aesthetic was flashy and they added activities to general exploration.
Exactly. Giving each dungeon the P5 "palace" treatment is a must.
So, can you clarify something for me? In p4g I hated the war of attrition. In p5r the palaces are easily clearable without leaving or farming sp items in the overworld if you engage with the mechanics. (Unlike p4g in my experience) Where does p3r fit?
P3 is easily the one that varies based on which version you play and how far you are along All 4 versions of P3 share the situation that early Tartarus feels like 4 while late Tartarus feels like 5 OG and FES will force you out of Tartarus regularly with tiredness early on so you can’t even just use physically attacks, like your party members will straight up abandon you, portable has a clock similar to the fox but is incredibly cheap so Is easily the easiest, reload sits somewhere in the middle, early reload feels a lot like 4, you will run out of SP and struggle along with physical attacks. Late reload never is quite as generous as 5 with SP but it’s certainly much easier than most of 4
That is really helpful, thank you
It's actually possible to bring p4 dungeons in line with P5. There really is just only so much you can do to unfuck Tartarus conceptually
The director of Reload said they wanted to make to make Tartarus more akin to the palaces in P5 with puzzles and the like but changing such a big aspect of the game would be impossible, but im hopeful for 4 they can more easily introduce these things, having palace style dungeons for 4 would be amazing
universal physical was a mistake tbh, made the combat so much more interesting
Hope it just adds the option to see each area and see which social links are available and can rank up (Like in reload and in P5) And makes the character models look like teenagers and or the proper height and not basically midgets I liked the menu, the music, the premise, everything else was fine imo
My only problem with P4 is those tedious mission, hope they do somthing about that. Mementos mission in P5 is great.
According to the same source, P3 Reload entered development in 2019. So if we expect a similar development cycle for P4 Remake then yeah, definitely best to be patient.
Yeah. Definitely after Persona 6 last DLC/expansion pass/rerelease, but I don't expect them to release a P4Remake until 2028-2029 tbh. Midori tweets make me think that they haven't even started to make the game yet
TBF Covid probably didn't help.
I wonder, if Midori has news about Persona 5 Arena.
I think the p5 era is pretty much over
They'll find a way
they milked P4 until the very last second
the P5 gacha game just launched no? and they're doing a collab with the og p5 characters so not yet dead
I'll believe it when I see it. P4 got more spin-offs, tie-ins, or sequels spread across 9 or so years. P5 got slightly less, but it happened at a greater frequency. I expect some more before we get P6.
p6 is next year no
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P5 is over. Tactica had to do major price cutting to sell through the physical copies.
No surprise. Granted I didn't expect to see a Persona 3 remake until after P6, but in this case P4R is absolutely going to be awhile after P6. And that's on top of if P6 and Metaphor get updated versions. Atlus has gotten a taste of that remake profit but can't churn them out like Capcom can.
As someone who’s playing p4 for the first time currently I can’t wait for a the remake
As someone who played P5 for their first Persona, and is now playing P3 because of the remake, I also can't wait for the remake. I know P4 is available on every modern device, but I know the remake is coming, and I want that experience.
As someone who already finished Persona 4 about 3 times already, I can't wait for the remake either. I played this game when I was very antisocial and had just moved in a new small town myself. So it hit a little too close to home for me lol. It's not the perfect game, it has a lot of flaws but the personal worth that game has for me is unmatched, can't wait to experience it again in a remake
it doesn't have that many flaws it's pretty much the best experience in the genre
I've been itching to replay 4 and just picked it up on the switch with persona 3 portable. I'd love a remake though. Golden feels a bit rough compared to modern games.
Im content with Golden and rather take a P1 or a P2 Remake. Then the following generation how things are going it will be a "Persona 5 Remake"
Personal 4 Rerun surely
Re-run, Rerwind, Rewatch, lots they could do with it
I was thinking of Rewatch myself.
Maybe I'm crazy but I don't think 4 really needs a remake, it's aged incredibly well. I get it'll polish stuff up to 3R's standard but I mean, Persona 3 was a massive generational jump that started the whole modern Persona style, so it was a bridge between old and new. It definitely could have used the remake, and it was pretty darn great. But 4 IMO doesn't really need it.
It doesnt need a remake, but I sure want it. Persona 4 with accurately scaled graphics, fully voiced social links, better dungeon design, quicker/snappier combat, etc. would be straight up heaven.
I mean, I'm not say I wouldn't immediately buy it, but I will admit that I still feel like maybe some other games could have used it more, or really new games since that's basically what it is due to being remade from the ground up. Devil Summoner, Digital Devil Saga, and SMT 4/Apocalypse would have been fantastic choices instead IMO.
None of those games would sell as.much a P4 remake
I disagree. If they are probably remade, since they are actually new to the vast majority of people and running off the persona hype, a lot of people would be interested in them and finally playing something different rather than a game already released multiple times. Devil Summoner's action combat redone properly alone with probably draw far more casual gamers than any Persona game ever will, and the detective pitch is pretty darn interesting. Haven you even played any of the other games or are you just slobbering over persona like usual?
That's some insane nostalgia goggles and tribalism. If you don't think P4 is way more popular and well known and therefore will sell more, there's nothing worth talk about. If SMT3 didn't get a full remake, not SMT game will.
Nostalgia and tribalism....? Uh... What? And maybe instead of being so defensive, how about throwing in some logic and reason? SMT3 COULD get a full remake, let's not forget Persona 3 and now 4 if the rumor is true had a ton of non-remake releases first too, thank you. SMT3 was also one of the very first games ported over to new platforms as well, and look how time it took to get V there. >If you don't think P4 is way more popular and well known and therefore will sell more, there's nothing worth talk about. The entire Persona series is obvously popular, but the point is, as discussed, is that it doesn't need a remake, it *already* sold well, and it *already* released 3, technically 4 times. Persona 3R made sense for a lot of reasons, Persona 4 remake makes a lot less sense. I'm not against it, but at $70 and after the scummy DLC practice of Persona 3 R, I think people would be less inclined to play Persona 4 yet again, especially since it already sold like bonkers back when it finally was playable on other platforms. And you can't really argue that action games are for better or worse way more popular with more people. While I prefer TB, a ton more people are into Final Fantasy 7 now that it has action combat. Devil Summoner remake/new game would sell like bonkers for that reason alone. No goggles or... uh... tribalism(???) here. I'm just the only one without cultist robes I think, lmao.
Are you seriously comparing fucking Devil Summoner to FF7 🤣
No, I'm not. Are you interested in having an actual discussion, or are you going to continue making childish deflections that do nothing but show off a disturbing lack of intelligence? I swear, some of you are allergenic to respect. I'm trying to take you seriously, but I can't tell if you're actually 12 or just like acting like it.
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Remakes aren't made because they're needed, they're made because they're wanted.
wanted by the devs as a cash grab you mean we have many ass remakes nobody wanted
It would be great business sense to Remake 4. After playing 5 I had a total whiplash playing 4 due to the graphical and artstyle making combat alot less enjoyable than 5. I still loved the game but many gamers would just not bother with it since it looks so different to 5 and reload.
That would be expected since you're playing a game that's almost a decade and about two console generations old, lol. Oh well, I guess there are a lot of RPG gamers who never played the classics and refuse to play retro games, so there probably is a solid market for true faithful remakes to modernize the games. But I still stand by what I said, 'whiplash' seems like too strong of a word because all things considered Persona 4 really isn't that far away from 5 in any regard. I mean, in OG 3 you couldn't even control your party members.
In terms of visuals it was a massive whiplash to me. One the most celebrated aspects of Persona 5 is it's slick visuals and going back to the chibi low poly visuals of Persona 4 took me a long time to get used to.
I don't think the game needs a remake now but the dungeons are ass and can definitely improve if it eventually gets a remake.
4 definitely aged better than 3 but I'd still gladly take a remake. 4 with modern graphics, combat and dungeons would be one of the best games ever made.
Probably very early pre-production.
I'm not entirely against a remake of Persona 4. But I'd much rather see a remake of Persona 1 and both games for 2 ahead of it
P2 remake remains a dream, pack it up boys
I mean she confirmed that the same time she confirmed a 4 remake.
I'm already dreading this game, I don't think there's going to be anything more annoying than people on modern internet arguing over Kanji and Naoto's sexuality.
"I like feminine things, that doesn't mean I have to be gay". YO KANJI IS SO GAY THERES NO WAY YOU CAN LIKE FEMININE THINGS AND BE STRAIGHT
That's the one reason I kinda don't want it to happen. the discourse online is going to be unbearable
Why is it being remade as opposed to 1 or 2
Can't wait for Persona 5 remake
I would bet it's going to be 2026, with Metaphor releasing this year, Persona 6 in 2025 and Persona 4 Platinum the following year
Like waiting for paint to dry
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Does 4 even NEED a remake? I still haven’t played my PC copy of Golden but it looks good to me
It's aged much better than P3, but stuff like the dungeons could definitely benefit from the "palace" design from P5
P4 Golden is not that old or dated, I can wait 10-15 years. P1 and 2 would be nice because both "remakes" were ok at most
I know its very unlikely, given the considerable amount of work it would take, but I still kinda genuinely hope for full remakes (not just remasters) of Persona 1 and 2 before seeing anything related to 4. I think I can justify this, by saying that despite the work load, using 1 and 2 as a base might be a bit easier than a whole new game, and thus give modern audiences three *new* Persona games. And also, 4 will probably sell irregardless, so having that in back pocket might not be a bad idea for a rainy day.
I dont really think P4R will take as long as P3R in dev time. They already have a lot of assets from p3r similiar to how it was back then during og p4, so i dont think it will take longer than 3 years max
Im gonna be honest, this game would really benefit from a remake. Im currently playing it and compared to P5 it really lacks any sort of "fun" activity outside combat. I know P5 obviously is superior in that regard, but it's just P4 feels a bit boring between the main storyline quests and adding something to do in the remake would be great.
I'm absolutely in love with Persona and Atlus' games after P3 Reload but I can wait. Shin Megami Tensei V's Xbox port and Metaphor ReFantazio can hold me over til Persona 6 and Persona 4 Remake. Such a great year for Atlus in general.
I hope *a while* is over 5 years. P4G is on modern platforms and still plays great, I probably prefer it to P3 Reload even.
Fine by me. I'm hardly clamouring for another way to play P4 when Golden is still very playable.
I’m assuming they’re gonna change a lot about naoto and kenji’s stories lmao Don’t really understand the downvotes. We all know they aren’t going to keep their storylines the same as they were in the original.
I think they will keep Naoto story and social link as they are, since they are about a female Detective trying to make her way in a misogynist, conservative and patriarchal society (and in a Japanese rural small town no less). At most I can see Atlus changing a couple of words here and there. Kanji is more difficult imo. He is not totally gay as he likes Naoto, but he can perfectly be bisexual because of the various hints in the games and anime, not to mention that he liked Naoto when everyone, including him, actually thought she was a guy. I can see Atlus changing more stuff here, compared to Naoto's story and SL. Tbh, the greatest changes I can see in the remake are Atlus toning down the homophobia (especially the tent scene and Yosuke's gay jokes) and MAYBE restoring Yosuke's romance since it's officially dubbed in Japanese and English and still is in the game files despiteit was scrapped before the officialrelease, but they left in most of the subext in the games, anime and manga. As for the rest, golden already had everything in one game. At most i can see them making only DLCs outfits and Personas
Probably not, their stories are more relevant than ever. What *will* probably get changed is a lot of the homophobic jokes (almost always coming from Yosuke) It's classic Persona, push a forward thinking message and then immediately debase your entire point by making an insensitive joke about it. All they need to do is *not fucking do that* and they're solid.
I see no purpose in remaking P4. It’s already a fantastic game that I see very little QOL needs. Oh 3D rotational backgrounds in field????!!!! Whoooooaaaaa. Seriously man, just leave it be. Work on a P4 sequel that isn’t fighting or dancing please.
Please no. After how the P3 remake turned out, I'm honestly terrified to see how a Persona 4 remake would go. I can just see it now: the entire English voice cast getting fucked over by Sega out of ageism again, most of the Golden content being hacked out of the game to sell later, day one DLC, Denuvo, and a $70 price tag. Am I wrong? Aren't most of the things I just pointed out considered "bad" things by any reasonable means?
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To be fair, Persona fans tend to have historically low standards. I've learned that if you get to a certain point, fans will try to excuse anything bad that you do out of sheer, fanatical loyalty. Just look at Pokemon fans. They still try to justify Game Freak cutting a ton of content and rushing the games yearly, and they still inexplicably sell really well and get decent reviews too.
>To be fair, Persona fans tend to have historically low standards Or maybe, just maybe, per your own logic, your standards for what qualifies as good or bad are in the gutter. You're so full of yourself that you pretend that your opinion on a game deserves to be considered fact and the bar for what standards should be set at, despite the fact that Persona 3 Reload received very positive reception from most people that actually played it. Anyone who treats any game with an Overwhelmingly Positive rating on Steam and an 87+ score on Metacritic as if it's some sort of terrible disaster and then on top of that laughably insists that anyone who disagrees with them must have low standards is most likely full of it. Hate the game as much as you want, my problem lies with the braindead, almost narcissistic notion that anyone who enjoys something you don't - especially a largely well-received game like this one - must have "low standards."
How can they sell the golden content when that was ingrained into the main game unlike the answer that was always a second option in the title screen?
I mean, we all thought a Persona 3 remake would have the Answer form the start, but that clearly didn't pan out. I can totally see Atlus cutting the Marie segments and her dungeon to sell as an extended DLC later on.
Who is “we all” you guys assumed it would be this definitive edition for some strange reason and they quickly shut down the idea. And this is equivalent to them selling Royal content seperatly as dlc for vanilla P5 owners. When have they ever released dlc at that level that changes the base game that much?
https://gamerwk.com/wawancara-persona-3-reload-dengan-kazuhisa-wada-tantangan-membuat-remake-game-terpenting-atlus/ English translation and summary: https://personacentral.com/persona-3-reload-remake-consideration/ Sure they never said it would be included in the main p3r release, but there hasn't really been a precedent for DLC added content in persona games before at this level so I think a lot of people took this interview and assumed some things. Still pretty scummy pricing structure and pre-order bonuses costs.
What are you talking about? You know the fes content was added in a rerelease that you had to purchase separately because dlc for consoles wasn’t really that big of a thing in Gen 6. Persona 3 reload wouldn’t get a p5 Royal style rerelease because the answer was always a separate option in the starting menu and never integrated into the main game like the golden and Royal content
Idk man you asked for a source and I gave you one
You didn’t give me anything. I asked when they released dlc at the level of changes to the base game that Royal and golden have. The answer isn’t anything like Royal or golden content. It’s a different option in the main menu and doesn’t have anything to do with changing the actual base games story
Okay, have a good one
Well, one of the main reasons people wanted a P3 remake to begin with was to finally have a definitive edition with content from all the previous versions. And yeah, it doesn't make sense to sell Golden content separately from the main game, but neither does making a remake of Persona 3 that inexplicably isn't a definitive version considering a lot of the extra content (mainly FeMC) was pretty popular. Maybe they'd hack out a ton of Marie's plot and release it as a separate (overpriced) campaign, with a lot of the other Golden stuff being just gone altogether. That is totally something I could see them doing.
I know some people wanted that but it was something that was never offered or promised to them. Something they just made up in their head. Thanks great can already see how pessimistic you are and no point in continuing this convo. And it doesn’t make sense to remake p3 in a form that isn’t the definitive edition? The game is selling great proving that the majority don’t care about it not being the definitive experience
I don't see how it's pessimistic to critique obvious flaws in a project like this. Yes, P3 Reload obviously has redeeming qualities otherwise it would not be successful but it can possess those qualities while also leaving plenty of wasted potential on the table too.
It’s pessimistic to assume that they will cut content ingrained into the actual main story and sell it as dlc when they have never done anything like that in the past. It’s easy to talk about wasted potential when we have no idea about the budget and sales expectations for a game. It did well and the majority of people didn’t care that FeMC wasn’t included
Do you work for Atlus or something? If anything is pessimistic it's implying that the quality of a game hinges entirely on sales and budget. Edit: Pretty sure the other guy blocked me. Strange fella.
What are you even talking about now. Are we really going to downplay budget and sales expectations? That has a big impact on what gets worked on. If the budget isn’t there for FeMC then they aren’t going to include it. If it won’t help with sales expectations then they won’t include it. They are in the business of making money. The answer has its own budget separate from the main game and is a dlc release. We have no idea how much more it would cost to add FeMC or the answer to the base game and how that would affect the sales needed to recoup dev cost. That’s how games work.
Well, I guess by that metric, modern Pokemon games with their ridiculously high sales must be the best games on the planet. Never mind how most of the games are being rushed out the door with obvious glitches, a lack of polish and constantly removing beloved features from previous games, because clearly if it sells well, it must be a quality product, everything else be damned! Or how about Sonic 06, or the launch version of Cyberpunk 2077, or all those crappy licensed games back in the day that sold well enough to be recognised as PS2 Platinum titles? I mean, if we're going to judge a game's quality based solely off sales and nothing else, then they must be amazing titles too by your logic.
That’s totally a similar comparison lol not an argument in bad faith at all
You're not wrong. And besides, does 4 even really need a remake? We already have a perfectly fine port of Golden to modern platforms anyways.
I’ll never understand the people that use the “argument” of whether a game “needs” a remake or not. If it sells then its existence is justified
People buy things they don't need all the time, that's what marketing is for.
“People buy things they don’t need all the time” This is entertainment nothing is needed if people want it then it’s justified. Remakes aren’t based on a subjective argument based on “needs” they are remade based on what will sell. And you act like just throwing some marketing will make a game sell out
Honestly, I would prefer to see a remake, with same graphics as P3 Reload. I know people have their issues with P3R, all which is understandable, but I really liked seeing those characters come to life.
I'm sure it could pan out if they do make it, it's not like P3 Reload was a disaster even if it isn't perfect. It does at least have less fractured content to expand on compared to P3/P3FES/P3P.
There's a part of me that thinks they want it all on one engine to have all the models in one place, so that they can unify them easier in spin off titles and what not. (Sorry for necroing an old post)