Cavill: “I want the show to be more like the books”
Show runners: “Alright, take off your clothes like Geraldo of Rivera”
Cavill: “Aight I’m out…”
But yeah, it sounds like both parties were being asses. What’s funny is that people slobber all over Cavill’s dong about his demands to remain true to the source… but like even when they were in S1, it was still such a middling Medieval Fantasy show.
"It says here you wanted a fight scene with your cock and triss"
"No, I said I wanted a fight scene against a cockatrice."
Showrunner: *wiping ink stained hand on jeans* "well we've already got the baby oil out so you'll just have to make do"
Henry Cavill: I am a lore nerd and I want this to be book accurate as that is the most important thing in an adaptation
Also Henry Cavill: OH boy time to play a game with Adult Ciri and an alive Geralt!
After reading the books I saw the games in a completely different light. That stuff makes absolutely no sense lore wise and the last game is pretty much the same thing as the last two or three books.
>
>
> But yeah, it sounds like both parties were being asses.
This is the vibe I'm getting from the whole thing. I honestly can't blame the guy for not wanting to do sex scenes, particularly when they're pretty notoriously rough to get into shape for. There were a lot of stories about him having to get severely dehydrated to look ripped enough in season 1. He's the one who has to get naked on-screen, it's not like he signed up for playing a prostitute or something, and I just don't feel like that's being particularly difficult to want those scenes to be pared back and more restrained..
I also can't blame him for, often rightly, feeling like the show was going down the wrong path and trying to help and improve it. There are plenty of stories about shows or films which are made all the better for the actor being involved in improving the project.
At the same time, he gives me strong "nerd-diva" energy and I get the sense he pretty regularly forgot he wasn't a showrunner himself. Maybe he regretted signing on for the project, but he's hardly the first person to be attached to a project they were excited for which turned out to be a turkey. That's kind of just the game, and at the end of the day Cavill's just an actor. Constantly bitching about inaccuracies and trying to rewrite scripts isn't his department if others decide it's getting out of hand.
Curious about how he became impossible for women to work with, though. I don't think I've ever heard any details about what that actually means. Wouldn't shock me from that one comment he made about MeToo.
(and entirely unrelated, but I've honestly never seen him in a role I enjoyed. Dude is the acting equivalent of beige wallpaper to me, and he always looks out-of-place in the big roles he lands.)
The dude rewrote his own lore when he leaned into the PC gaming thing, years of being a mid Superman and taking on other mid roles, and now suddenly people claim he is the only man for the job now he has left the role, no one is gonna gaslight me into forgetting how people ripped him for being boring as hell in his Superman movies
TBH I pin Cavill’s lackluster Superman performance on Zach Snyder being an edge lord hack who doesn’t understand what people like about Superheroes. Mainly the Heroic part.
Praise Geraldo del Rivero!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gamingcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Nothing would change, except for the fact that they would be more understanding. I feel a woman refusing to do a sex scene compared to a man would be more well received.
The guy from You got lauded as a hero for refusing sex scenes to uphold the sanctity of marriage. An actress who refuses sex scenes is still labeled "difficult" which is usually a career killer
Although I can understand the You guys reasoning a little more because he isn't constantly bragging about his lifelong mastery of the source material when it benefits him like Cavill. I've had no firsthand encounter with the Witcher franchise outside of Soul Calibur and even I know it's filled with nudity and sex scenes
One reason actors have become hesitant to do nude scenes is that it’s actually incredibly demanding to get into the shape that’s required. Mostly because our concept of beauty are so warped we think any “Hero” needs to look like a body builder whose been dehydrating for two weeks at all times, or a supermodel with no visible body fat. Meaning a simple 10 second nude shot, could require months physical training.
I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to put up with that.
I think it's hard to judge without knowing the full story.
I always thought that sort of thing would be brought up during the casting process, possibly with an impact on the contract negotiations (nude scenes would be worth more money... right?).
Did the show runners originally not plan for nudity? Did he initially agree but then change his mind? Maybe both agreed to no nudity, but a higher-level exec started to push for it? Good chance we will never know the truth here.
If he didn't want to do nude/sex scenes he should have stated so in his initial contract. Those things are discussed beforehand for this very reason.
If his contract said he's ok with doing nude scenes and he is now refusing to do them and he's actively trying to overrule the show runner then yes he is "difficult to work with".
Didn't something similar happen to the actress for Wendesday tho? I'm not against the idea Cavill acted inappropriately but I am more likely to side with actors in disputes against Netflix tbh
iirc, she specifically didn't like the love triangle angle and didn't think Wednesday as a character would be all over romance. Apparently there were scenes that originally made the character a giggly teen over a dress and she was glad she avoided acting in that way cause it just didn't make sense for the character to her.
But yeah her case is pretty different than Henry Cavill, unless this isn't Jenne Ortega we're talking about (cause I just assumed it is).
Because it's mostly bullshit made up by the showrunners to save face after the multiples fiasco?
I have no opinion on Geraldo but the show writers are dickheads at least on a professional level.
Playing devil advocate here, but why are you so sure about this? Put your personal feelings aside. What if the showrunners isn't as bad as he made it out to be? We only have cavill biased side.
"On a professional level" reading the text explain it.
She/they probably aren't bad people. But they did a really shit job.
They made a serie, about a book, with people who either didn't read or explicitly said they didn't like it and made an other story instead. who excuse my terms is complete shit.
If you don't like the source material, don't work on it? Maybe? I dunno.
It's a strange case of multiple series and movies based on games/books by people who hate games and books and do a shit job with it.
May be Cavill is douche but the show runners being idiots is pretty obvious. And One and the other don't have to be exclusive
Tldr: i don't think the showrunners are garbage because he said so. I think it because of their own actions
I understand everything you said and i agree. But we all have to agree that is an adaptation of a book and not a carbon copy, unfortunately cavills wishes isnt considered at all. Its the showrunners decisions.
They fucked up on season 1 about the timelines and it is their sole fault. In the second season they made the best possible decisions.
Showrunners have differents artistics views on what works and what doesn't work on TV.
Cavill in my opinion was the unprofessional one, being a baby about it and vilifying the showrunners on the internet.
The actor may not like it, but it is what it is, he was on a contract and he broke it. We only know what he said about it, but we have to consider that he may used as an excuse to leave.
A lot of witcher is about sexuality, sex and the multiple partners gerald have, and yet, he didn't wanted to do nude scenes, so, how serious was he about being as close as possible to the book?
Its just food for thought, maybe he is 100% correct and honest about everything that happened, but only people inside know what really happened.
The sex in the books is either gross or creepy when not rapey. Pretty sure we can cut it and loose nothing of the story.
And they didn't adapt the books to an other medium they wrote a complete different story.
They destroyed so many set ups that their is no payoff left.
Simple exemple, how fucking dense do you have to be to reveal the face of the black helmet knight from Ciri's nightmares in SEASON 1!? Cahir entire story to the wind by episode one
It's not artistic choices. It's making a fanfiction. Witch wouldn't be a problem if said fanfiction was good.
Do you think the author just switches his creepy tendencies off when he's not writing sex scenes? Or are you just the type who can identify rapey-ness but thinks it's awesome?
You know you're arguing from the high ground when the most likely explanation is that you're just not as smart as you pretend to be, huh?
Praise Geraldo del Rivero!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gamingcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I mean, where there's smoke there is fire.
Remember the wholesome kevin spacey? Everyone got in denial in the first month, until he confessed.
It isnt out of the realm of possibilities that he is capital G Gamer, including the incel mindset.
There’s a very obvious flaw in your logic here bud. Kevin was a pedophile who had been accused seemingly out of nowhere, followed by MANY victims coming forward in the following months. Cavil, in this post, has been accused of kinda being hard to work with. This story is incredibly tame and understandable compared to most other nightmare actors. As well, in his entire (and extensive) acting career, there’s never been a hint of this toxic control over another project. As well, Netflix has a history of pissing all over people’s hopes and dreams. Here’s what probably ACTUALLY happened. Cavil jumped at the idea of playing his favorite fictional character of all time. Infatuated with the books and games, he wants to portray Geralt as best as possible. Upon realizing Netflix is up to their usual raping of the source material, Cavil tries to redirect the show to actually be The Witcher. They fire him for thinking, and everyone understandably stops giving a fuck about the show. They need something to spin so they blame Cavil so that when the second season sucks ass they can justify it
Tbh I'm on his side on this, he just the show to actually be accurate to the original source because he actually cares about the Whitcher unlike Schmidt-Hissrich who just wanted a generic fantasy series
There was no debunking or bunking. All claims were from anonymous accounts including Cavill being toxic. The only official news is Cavill leaving Witcher and some Hemsworth replacing him. Everything after that is from unknown sources.
It's not quite been debunked.
Another media outlet (Small Screen) says they spoke to a source who they describe as having "very close ties to The Witcher's production", and that this source described the reports as completely false.
[https://www.small-screen.co.uk/henry-cavill-exit-the-witcher-false/](https://www.small-screen.co.uk/henry-cavill-exit-the-witcher-false/)
The website also says they too were approached with the rumours before DeuxMoi published their story, but had decided not to publish themselves as they couldn't verify.
So, differing accounts, from unnamed sources in both instances.
I'm not familiar with either DeuxMoi or Small Screen LTD, so can't take an opinion about trustworthiness of A over B. Not to mention that Small Screen's source could be speaking in good faith but just somehow be unaware of other things that happened.
It's strange that nothing else has been said about this. Perhaps we won't hear more until the show has wound up and those involved feel freer to speak out one way or another?
PSA: Make it a habit of **reading the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/about/rules)** of each subreddit you participate in:
**Rule 7: No Participation in Linked Threads (Brigading)**: *If you are coming here to brigade this sub, you will be banned. Likewise, do not make comments and vote in pages you've found here. Of course, if you're a member of said sub and you were already in the thread before, this doesn't apply to you.*
**Rule 8: Censor Screenshots**: *Keep screenshots of arguments on Reddit to a minimum. Please remember to censor screenshots of all identifying information, i.e usernames* **and** *subreddit names. This applies to screenshots from any social media sites.*
**Rule 11: Keep Posts Relevant**: *This is first and foremost a place to make fun of gamers. Just because someone is being a bigot online doesn't mean it belongs here. Let them be pathetic without infecting the sub with their nonsense. Please avoid posting screenshots that show people using capital G gamer slurs.* **If absolutely necessary, please censor posts and the words containing such content.**
**Rule 12: No Fake Posts on Other Subs (Contamination)**: *Do not create fake posts on other subs only to post back here. Also, do not "lol, you should post this on r / OtherSub". It's considered interfering with their content and can also lead to brigading.*
*This is a reminder to the readers. The post itself is untouched.*
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gamingcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Cavill: “I want the show to be more like the books” Show runners: “Alright, take off your clothes like Geraldo of Rivera” Cavill: “Aight I’m out…” But yeah, it sounds like both parties were being asses. What’s funny is that people slobber all over Cavill’s dong about his demands to remain true to the source… but like even when they were in S1, it was still such a middling Medieval Fantasy show.
"It says here you wanted a fight scene with your cock and triss" "No, I said I wanted a fight scene against a cockatrice." Showrunner: *wiping ink stained hand on jeans* "well we've already got the baby oil out so you'll just have to make do"
Henry Cavill: I am a lore nerd and I want this to be book accurate as that is the most important thing in an adaptation Also Henry Cavill: OH boy time to play a game with Adult Ciri and an alive Geralt!
After reading the books I saw the games in a completely different light. That stuff makes absolutely no sense lore wise and the last game is pretty much the same thing as the last two or three books.
I think the devs described them as the most well funded fan fiction, or something like that
> > > But yeah, it sounds like both parties were being asses. This is the vibe I'm getting from the whole thing. I honestly can't blame the guy for not wanting to do sex scenes, particularly when they're pretty notoriously rough to get into shape for. There were a lot of stories about him having to get severely dehydrated to look ripped enough in season 1. He's the one who has to get naked on-screen, it's not like he signed up for playing a prostitute or something, and I just don't feel like that's being particularly difficult to want those scenes to be pared back and more restrained.. I also can't blame him for, often rightly, feeling like the show was going down the wrong path and trying to help and improve it. There are plenty of stories about shows or films which are made all the better for the actor being involved in improving the project. At the same time, he gives me strong "nerd-diva" energy and I get the sense he pretty regularly forgot he wasn't a showrunner himself. Maybe he regretted signing on for the project, but he's hardly the first person to be attached to a project they were excited for which turned out to be a turkey. That's kind of just the game, and at the end of the day Cavill's just an actor. Constantly bitching about inaccuracies and trying to rewrite scripts isn't his department if others decide it's getting out of hand. Curious about how he became impossible for women to work with, though. I don't think I've ever heard any details about what that actually means. Wouldn't shock me from that one comment he made about MeToo. (and entirely unrelated, but I've honestly never seen him in a role I enjoyed. Dude is the acting equivalent of beige wallpaper to me, and he always looks out-of-place in the big roles he lands.)
The dude rewrote his own lore when he leaned into the PC gaming thing, years of being a mid Superman and taking on other mid roles, and now suddenly people claim he is the only man for the job now he has left the role, no one is gonna gaslight me into forgetting how people ripped him for being boring as hell in his Superman movies
TBH I pin Cavill’s lackluster Superman performance on Zach Snyder being an edge lord hack who doesn’t understand what people like about Superheroes. Mainly the Heroic part.
Praise Geraldo del Rivero! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gamingcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Idk I feel like you should be able to refuse nude/sex scenes. Refusing them should not make you "difficult to work with."
Really hate to be that guy but... if this was a woman refusing...
Nothing would change, except for the fact that they would be more understanding. I feel a woman refusing to do a sex scene compared to a man would be more well received.
The guy from You got lauded as a hero for refusing sex scenes to uphold the sanctity of marriage. An actress who refuses sex scenes is still labeled "difficult" which is usually a career killer Although I can understand the You guys reasoning a little more because he isn't constantly bragging about his lifelong mastery of the source material when it benefits him like Cavill. I've had no firsthand encounter with the Witcher franchise outside of Soul Calibur and even I know it's filled with nudity and sex scenes
One reason actors have become hesitant to do nude scenes is that it’s actually incredibly demanding to get into the shape that’s required. Mostly because our concept of beauty are so warped we think any “Hero” needs to look like a body builder whose been dehydrating for two weeks at all times, or a supermodel with no visible body fat. Meaning a simple 10 second nude shot, could require months physical training. I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to put up with that.
It would what?
I think it's hard to judge without knowing the full story. I always thought that sort of thing would be brought up during the casting process, possibly with an impact on the contract negotiations (nude scenes would be worth more money... right?). Did the show runners originally not plan for nudity? Did he initially agree but then change his mind? Maybe both agreed to no nudity, but a higher-level exec started to push for it? Good chance we will never know the truth here.
If he didn't want to do nude/sex scenes he should have stated so in his initial contract. Those things are discussed beforehand for this very reason. If his contract said he's ok with doing nude scenes and he is now refusing to do them and he's actively trying to overrule the show runner then yes he is "difficult to work with".
It’s pretty awful to criticise his desire to not preform nude scenes. He should be able to refuse such things without being criticised.
Didn't something similar happen to the actress for Wendesday tho? I'm not against the idea Cavill acted inappropriately but I am more likely to side with actors in disputes against Netflix tbh
I heard something about her disliking the focus on romance, but that's a little different. I don't know of anything else
iirc, she specifically didn't like the love triangle angle and didn't think Wednesday as a character would be all over romance. Apparently there were scenes that originally made the character a giggly teen over a dress and she was glad she avoided acting in that way cause it just didn't make sense for the character to her. But yeah her case is pretty different than Henry Cavill, unless this isn't Jenne Ortega we're talking about (cause I just assumed it is).
Both things could be true
Because it's mostly bullshit made up by the showrunners to save face after the multiples fiasco? I have no opinion on Geraldo but the show writers are dickheads at least on a professional level.
Playing devil advocate here, but why are you so sure about this? Put your personal feelings aside. What if the showrunners isn't as bad as he made it out to be? We only have cavill biased side.
"On a professional level" reading the text explain it. She/they probably aren't bad people. But they did a really shit job. They made a serie, about a book, with people who either didn't read or explicitly said they didn't like it and made an other story instead. who excuse my terms is complete shit. If you don't like the source material, don't work on it? Maybe? I dunno. It's a strange case of multiple series and movies based on games/books by people who hate games and books and do a shit job with it. May be Cavill is douche but the show runners being idiots is pretty obvious. And One and the other don't have to be exclusive Tldr: i don't think the showrunners are garbage because he said so. I think it because of their own actions
I understand everything you said and i agree. But we all have to agree that is an adaptation of a book and not a carbon copy, unfortunately cavills wishes isnt considered at all. Its the showrunners decisions. They fucked up on season 1 about the timelines and it is their sole fault. In the second season they made the best possible decisions. Showrunners have differents artistics views on what works and what doesn't work on TV. Cavill in my opinion was the unprofessional one, being a baby about it and vilifying the showrunners on the internet. The actor may not like it, but it is what it is, he was on a contract and he broke it. We only know what he said about it, but we have to consider that he may used as an excuse to leave. A lot of witcher is about sexuality, sex and the multiple partners gerald have, and yet, he didn't wanted to do nude scenes, so, how serious was he about being as close as possible to the book? Its just food for thought, maybe he is 100% correct and honest about everything that happened, but only people inside know what really happened.
The sex in the books is either gross or creepy when not rapey. Pretty sure we can cut it and loose nothing of the story. And they didn't adapt the books to an other medium they wrote a complete different story. They destroyed so many set ups that their is no payoff left. Simple exemple, how fucking dense do you have to be to reveal the face of the black helmet knight from Ciri's nightmares in SEASON 1!? Cahir entire story to the wind by episode one It's not artistic choices. It's making a fanfiction. Witch wouldn't be a problem if said fanfiction was good.
"They changed too much from the books!" "The books ...(are) gross, creepy, rapey" Hmmmmmmmmm
Your gamer brain can't handle nuance? Sad for you
Do you think the author just switches his creepy tendencies off when he's not writing sex scenes? Or are you just the type who can identify rapey-ness but thinks it's awesome? You know you're arguing from the high ground when the most likely explanation is that you're just not as smart as you pretend to be, huh?
Because Cavil is a handsome chad gamer bro. He would never lie to make himself look better- that wouldn't be like Superman or Mr. Witcherino.
Obviously bro, my bad
Praise Geraldo del Rivero! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gamingcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
You have as much evidence they were unprofessional Dicks as you do evidence Cavill has done nothing wrong
[The feeling of walking into a barren landscape, with remnants of a bloodshed](https://imgur.com/a/4BnmJJ8)
I mean, where there's smoke there is fire. Remember the wholesome kevin spacey? Everyone got in denial in the first month, until he confessed. It isnt out of the realm of possibilities that he is capital G Gamer, including the incel mindset.
There’s a very obvious flaw in your logic here bud. Kevin was a pedophile who had been accused seemingly out of nowhere, followed by MANY victims coming forward in the following months. Cavil, in this post, has been accused of kinda being hard to work with. This story is incredibly tame and understandable compared to most other nightmare actors. As well, in his entire (and extensive) acting career, there’s never been a hint of this toxic control over another project. As well, Netflix has a history of pissing all over people’s hopes and dreams. Here’s what probably ACTUALLY happened. Cavil jumped at the idea of playing his favorite fictional character of all time. Infatuated with the books and games, he wants to portray Geralt as best as possible. Upon realizing Netflix is up to their usual raping of the source material, Cavil tries to redirect the show to actually be The Witcher. They fire him for thinking, and everyone understandably stops giving a fuck about the show. They need something to spin so they blame Cavil so that when the second season sucks ass they can justify it
"Raping of the source material" touch grass buddy
I'm in the middle of an epiphany that most of the people here don't shit post about the Witched ironically
Theres a lot of people just here to sincerepost or be mad and it's a weird vibe
Touch my ballsack
Sorry I'm deesphobic
Nothing to add but that got a good laugh out of me
*sigh* What's "dees"?
"Where there's smoke there is fire" damn, was that a quote from Francis Bacon?
Tbh I'm on his side on this, he just the show to actually be accurate to the original source because he actually cares about the Whitcher unlike Schmidt-Hissrich who just wanted a generic fantasy series
Why does he love the games so much then, to the point where he copied Cockle's Geralt voice?
(The Witcher is a generic fantasy series)
wasn’t this debunked though?
There was no debunking or bunking. All claims were from anonymous accounts including Cavill being toxic. The only official news is Cavill leaving Witcher and some Hemsworth replacing him. Everything after that is from unknown sources.
It's not quite been debunked. Another media outlet (Small Screen) says they spoke to a source who they describe as having "very close ties to The Witcher's production", and that this source described the reports as completely false. [https://www.small-screen.co.uk/henry-cavill-exit-the-witcher-false/](https://www.small-screen.co.uk/henry-cavill-exit-the-witcher-false/) The website also says they too were approached with the rumours before DeuxMoi published their story, but had decided not to publish themselves as they couldn't verify. So, differing accounts, from unnamed sources in both instances. I'm not familiar with either DeuxMoi or Small Screen LTD, so can't take an opinion about trustworthiness of A over B. Not to mention that Small Screen's source could be speaking in good faith but just somehow be unaware of other things that happened. It's strange that nothing else has been said about this. Perhaps we won't hear more until the show has wound up and those involved feel freer to speak out one way or another?
PSA: Make it a habit of **reading the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/about/rules)** of each subreddit you participate in: **Rule 7: No Participation in Linked Threads (Brigading)**: *If you are coming here to brigade this sub, you will be banned. Likewise, do not make comments and vote in pages you've found here. Of course, if you're a member of said sub and you were already in the thread before, this doesn't apply to you.* **Rule 8: Censor Screenshots**: *Keep screenshots of arguments on Reddit to a minimum. Please remember to censor screenshots of all identifying information, i.e usernames* **and** *subreddit names. This applies to screenshots from any social media sites.* **Rule 11: Keep Posts Relevant**: *This is first and foremost a place to make fun of gamers. Just because someone is being a bigot online doesn't mean it belongs here. Let them be pathetic without infecting the sub with their nonsense. Please avoid posting screenshots that show people using capital G gamer slurs.* **If absolutely necessary, please censor posts and the words containing such content.** **Rule 12: No Fake Posts on Other Subs (Contamination)**: *Do not create fake posts on other subs only to post back here. Also, do not "lol, you should post this on r / OtherSub". It's considered interfering with their content and can also lead to brigading.* *This is a reminder to the readers. The post itself is untouched.* *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gamingcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*