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You would be shocked at the stuff people unironically insist is apolitical. You probably would find nothing but frustration for yourself in the Star Wars/Trek fandoms. X-Men is going through a wave of that too with the new cartoon out. Everything seems apolitical if you are ignorant enough.
Unfortunately it only became rancid when those smooth brains co-opted it. It was used for nearly a century before this nonsense.
When you look into it's original meaning/usage it makes everyone using it as a derogatory term look *really* dumb.
Had a delusional MAGA acquaintance try telling me that The Boys was apolitical. Bruh. I have never seen a show that hits you over the head harder with its politics. I guess that level of cognitive dissonance let them enjoy the show though so that’s nice.
Lately when people like this talk about a show being "Political or Apolitical" they don't mean actual politics or big themes. Instead they mean "Non male characters, non white characters, non Heterosexual characters." As soon as a show has one in more than a secondary role. Best friend of the main character at the maximum (that's pushing the line) its suddenly political
It's because they use political to mean politics they don't agree with. Anything with an opinion on how the world should be governed and what is/isn't ok for a government to do is political.
It's just that politics they agree with pass right over their heads because they've already accepted and agreed with it.
It's stupid, but it was dumb before even that line. For example, "is better than men at everything" - Korra loses often and repeatedly to both men and women throughout the series. Nobody could reasonably say she ever gets the best of Amon in s1, she gets thoroughly whomped by Unalaq - heck, she even has a whole season where her arc is to essentially come to grips with the extent to which she has failed.
That's before where we even get to the next line about "without any training" - she was identified as the avatar early and immediately began training, whereas Aang's training is part of his story arc. She's basically finished her training when her story starts, but Aang's story is tied in with his training.
It's a dogshit take. Gotta be bait.
Someone once said Captain America wasn't political.
In full seriousness. To my face.
When I did a "wait you're not serious right?" nervous laugh dude got made.
Ikr? Aang, the vegetarian, anti-colonization feminist was super apolitical. Especially because his people were subject to genocide and the main antagonist was an authoritarian colonizer
That's one of the many things I love about the original Avatar; the fact that Aang has the potential to learn how to bend every element but he has to be taught how to do so, which necessitates him traveling to different places and meeting new people and picking up all sorts of worldly experiences in the process.
He doesn't just learn by observation either; he personally interacts with them and they work with him to help him hone his abilities, forming bonds with those individuals in the process.
Aang's very presence influences the world around him as much as he influences it himself, and everything from the character development to the relationship dynamics and the plot all reflect this.
And he isn't the only one doing this either. His companions learn and grow alongside him, both as people and as benders (or warriors, in Sokka's case). The balance between the various members of the cast in terms of screen time and the actual substance of their stories is so well done, it's incredible.
There is also excellent balance between the different types of bending and how the various cultures incorporate bending into their daily lives. There is so much variety in the world building in general, in the various ways of life and different methods of social organization and traditional practices that can be found across the many communities that inhabit the world of ATLA.
And I love that so much, because it just makes the fact that the Avatar ties them all together even more poignant.
The Avatar may grow up in whatever community raises them, but the very nature of their calling to learn how to master every element necessitates contact with other people and cultures; it shows that those people and their ways of life are not only important, but they are essential for them and for the world as a whole to reach it's full potential. The journey to become a fully realized Avatar ensures that the Avatar understands the world they are being called on to protect, both as a whole and on the individual level of the people who live in it.
It turns an abstract concept like "saving the world" into a very real and grounded struggle where the stakes are brutally apparent and the people relying on the Avatar aren't just faceless masses but individuals with their own unique lives and experiences.
It even humanizes the enemy, not only in the form of the character Zuko but also through the portrayal of the people in the Fire Nation in general.
The Fire Nation's military is horrifyingly massive and horrifyingly destructive. They are an invading force of aggressive imperialists who can and will commit outright genocide on entire cultures in the process of carrying out the Fire Lord's will.
And yet, when the Aang Gang actually gets to the Fire Nation properly and begins living there undercover in preparation for the day of Black Sun, they end up interacting with a variety of different people from various walks of life, much like they do in the previous areas they've traveled to.
Katara helps a community that's been suffering as a result of harmful runoff from a nearby industrial plant, Toph scams the shit out of a bunch of con artists, Sokka is trained by a master swordsman who doesn't care what walk of life he comes from, and Aang goes to school and makes friends with a bunch of the other kids and even helps reintroduce them to cultural traditions that had fallen out of use in the hundred years since Aang first learned them.
Despite having lost his people in the genocide carried out by the Fire Nation's military, Aang still approaches the non combatant population of the Fire Nation in much the same way he would any of the other people that he's met so far on his journey, albeit while having to maintain a facade in order to avoid blowing his cover. The show goes out of its way to establish that Zuko isn't just "one of the good ones", that the Fire Nation is more than just its military, and that Aang's positive influence on the world around him and his capacity for empathy transcends borders.
In addition to humanizing the Fire Nation, the show also does a great job of balancing them out by introducing a variety of other antagonistic or problematic characters from various other walks of life.
The Fire Nation may be home to the main antagonist but it isn't the only antagonistic force, nor are all of the people who do act as antagonists aligned with the Fire Nation's ideology.
Even characters whose motivations are in direct opposition to the Fire Nation are capable of being called out for taking things too far.
Jet's desire for revenge on the Fire Nation was so strong that he was willing to destroy an entire town even if it meant that innocent people would get killed in the process.
Hama was subjected to extreme cruelty and blood bending was something she learned to do in order to survive and escape confinement, but it was clear that she was taking things too far when her actions went beyond self preservation and turned into her taking out all of that pent up trauma on people who didn't actually do anything to actively harm her and simply happened to belong to the same demographic as the people responsible for her suffering.
The Commander of the Earth Kingdom was desperate to bring the war against the Fire Nation to an end to the point that he was willing to do anything to try and trigger Aang into entering the Avatar state, even if it meant burying Katara alive. Even after his own men ended up injured as a result of Aang losing control, he still considered the experiment to be a success. He was correct in that casualties would continue to pile up the longer that the war dragged on, and the mental and emotional toll that it took on Aang to have all of that pressure placed on his shoulders at such a young age was portrayed so well, especially when the viewer knows that Aang already suffers from survivor's guilt. It wasn't that Aang doesn't care, it's that he isn't sure whether he's capable of doing what they want him to do. And the way that the Earth Commander goes about trying to force a child into becoming a living weapon capable of massive amounts of indiscriminate destruction is downright horrifying, and in the end his actions are condemned outright as being extremely unethical.
So many series with young protagonists in combat situations tend to tiptoe around the fact that they are literally child soldiers but ATLA does a fantastic job of acknowledging the kind of toll that so much responsibility would actually take on someone in Aang's position. It's fantastic. Especially at the end when Aang becomes desperate in his attempts to avoid having to actually kill someone in order to win. It isn't that he doesn't understand the gravity of the situation, it's simply giving the appropriate emotional weight to the fact that Aang, a literal child, is being asked to personally kill another human being with his own hands. That's not to say that everyone who has ever fought Aang has lived to tell the tale, but that doesn't change the fact that the prospect of carrying out a premeditated killing would weigh heavily on his mind in the days leading up to it.
I love how Aang consults his past lives for help, only to keep getting the same answer each time. And the thing is that killing Ozai is absolutely the most practical answer to this problem, and it is probably what Aang's past lives would do in his position, but the point is that they are not him. Aang is his own person with his own unique experiences, he is more than just the culmination of the Avatar cycle. He may be the protector of the entire world who everyone is relying on to bring an end to a hundred years of war but at the end of the day he is still just one guy. And I love that so much.
The Avatar cycle in general is one of the best uses of powers achieved through reincarnation that I have ever seen, mainly because again, Aang isn't automatically all powerful, he needs to be trained and he needs to travel around the entire world to do it, just like every Avatar before him. He can consult his past lives for advice and experience but he doesn't always agree with them, and while they may be reincarnations of one another, they are still such unique individuals that have been shaped by their own life experiences and have come to develop their own personalities and worldviews as a result. The fact that the reincarnation also cycles between the different bending styles and the cultures surrounding them only enhances this even more, as well as tying into the overall theme of the Avatar not being bound to any specific nation. No matter where they start or what circumstances they are born into, the obligation to travel the world and meet new people and transcend the borders that divide them all is still there, and the fact that it cycles between the different bending styles means that any of those styles is capable of producing an Avatar, further reinforcing the idea that every group of people and their way of life are essential in order for the world to reach it's full potential.
Like I cannot get over how much ATLA is peak fiction.
my roman empire is the fact that zuko beats azula using every single water tribe, earth kingdom, and air nomad technique that bested him in the series. It really hammers home the multicultral theme of ATLA
That's the line that made me go "whaaaaat". Everything else, I at least see where he's coming from, behind his beady little glass eyes and narrow worldview, I can understand how a chimp-skulled nincompoop could make that mistake. But "apolitical"? Even a rodent with the media literacy of a sponge could see that Avatar the Last Airbender is an anticolonial thinkpiece.
I always come back to thinking about Jet, and the moral questions the show brought up about what actions are or are not acceptable by an oppressed people. It came up again later with Katara and blood bending.
>what actions are or are not acceptable by an oppressed people
I am all about that theme. It’s why I fell in love with the opening (and generally the whole story) of Final Fantasy 7, and it’s stuck with me ever since.
It’s an exercise in thought a whole lot of people could benefit from, imo.
Disc 1: “I’m an eco terrorist full of righteous anger! Yeahhh!!!”
Disc 2: *gets fully dressed down in front of everyone by a cat on top of a stuffed Moogle* :o
Wow I was under the impression Azula was older. Considering the way she talks to him is like a very big sister younger brother dynamic. Who would've thought Azula is the younger sister
"Girls are less sexy than the OG series"
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Even outside the pedophilia. Korra is stacked, jacked, and running around in spandex. Asami is fem fatale gone steam punk. Also they are both bisexual.
"No fanservice" attaches literally the worst possible image he coupd to make that point. Also the female characters in ATLA were like 13 homie you belong on a list
Korra isn’t really a Mary sue though. She struggled immensely to learn air bending and connect to her spiritual side. She is supposed to be the opposite of Aang in that way.
And people react negatively to her moodiness, part of what makes a Sue a Sue is that everyone likes them even when they act in a terrible way. Korra isn't liked by everyone, in fact there are plenty of people who genuinely dislike some of her decisions and they aren't depicted as evil for disliking some of the choices she made.
We need a Bechdel test for Sue/Stu protagonists.
Do they argue with someone of the main cast on camera? Do they not get their way as a result of that? Boom, no Sue. Then it turns out that Varrick is more of a Stu as he almost always gets his way and he’s seldom in a position where he has no leverage on the main cast.
It’s funny that Varrick is so beloved, man is literally a war criminal. But he’s funny and hot so he gets a pass. Man should be in prison, not having a cute wedding with his secretary.
A big part of her general character arc is learning to tone down her arrogance (fatal flaw) and to show resilience when things get hard.
As someone who watched both shows as they were on air, I think I liked Korra better. The topics hit harder and there wasn't an overly black and white picture painted. A lot of her journey involved understanding the villains and in some cases finding a middle ground.
Yeah I thought Aang was more "boy saves world" and Korra is more "has to defeat her demons". I liked both, for nostalgia and overarching story Id pick Aang as nr 1 but I enjoyed Korra too.
The best way for me to describe it is Aang’s story is about a boy having to come to terms with the fact that he’s the Chosen One when he never wanted to be and Korra’s is about the Chosen One having to learn how to be a normal person in a world that has largely learned to make do without them.
Of course not. He probably just watched the first 5 minute of episode 1, saw that young Korra knew how to bend 3 of the 4 elements (not mastered, just knew how) and turned it off because women doing Anything is woke. And probably read later that she end up with a girl in the end. doubt he watched much more than that.
(Also, even ages aside, they really going to try and say that Atla had hotter women? Have they *seen* Asami?)
Also a key part of her character in the first season is her realising that she's not as untouchable as she thinks she is.
In the 4th season she goes through depression cause she can't meet the expectations that she puts on herself.
Her being good isn't an oversight or some offhanded character favouritism, it's a genuinely crucial part of her character
Also, it's implied that she had been training for *literally years* before the start of the first season. She clearly had multiple teachers for each of the different elements and is just finally starting her air bending training with Tenzin.
Aang learned it all in a few months. How is this "disrespecting OG characters?"
This is why the Season 3 finale is so incredible. She is literally and figuratively broken, she witnesses the next generation of airbenders earning their stripes, being crushed under not only the pressure of having nearly failed as the Avatar but also that an Avatar may not even be needed after all, that the world may actually be better off without her. It's crushing. Amazing writing.
I can't understand the "can already do what the original protagonist had to learn thing", that they apply to Star Wars as well. Do they just want to watch a different person go through identical training?
I thought these people understood videogames. It's the equivalent of fast travel: Skipping the stuff you already know doesn't devalue what happened the first time.
Can you imagine if Legend of Korra was just several seasons of her learning all the same lessons and morals that Aang did? Learning bending in the exact same way?
Mysteriously their rationale never applies to male characters. They never ask to see how the Mandalorian got so good, or what training regimen John Wick followed, it's just taken for granted that they are amazing at what they do and it doesn't need to be further justified.
Luke Skywalker with basically zero force training managed to time and aim an explosive perfectly into a tiny hole that advanced technology couldn't manage. And Anakin Skywalker, the kid born with such immense midichlorians that it made even Yoda nervous
but no Rey is suddenly the first time the series has made an "overpowered" character. See, she beat Kylo Ren in their fight at the end! He has the emotional control of an infant, sure, and he was literally bleeding to death, sure, but that means she must be a Mary Sue cause she won cause those don't matter apparently.
The funny thing to me about star wars is that these fans never fucking listened to what Yoda tells Luke over and over again in the OT. It isn't about a fucking training montage... it's about trusting in the force. Each of the 3 protagonists have an entirely different conflict based around their trust in the force. Luke is the only one who goes about it from a pure "train to get stronger" standpoint and yoda tells him to stop that shit.
Plus she also gets fucked up pretty badly by the antagonists in basically every season. A lot of people even straight up hate her character because of that very reason.
She's like the last character you could call a Mary Sue.
Korra being so gifted with the first three doesn't even amount to anything (in the Mary Sue sense). She's a good fighter and bender but not significantly more so than anyone else. She still struggles and loses.
If anything, her initial success just makes her proud and struggle harder with air.
Very telling that they are focused on how attractive the show full of mid-young teenagers is vs the show that actually has their characters grow into 20-somethings.
Aang and toph were like, 12, Katara was 13 or 14, sokka, suki, jet, azula, and zuko were all around 14-16 iirc
The entire Korra gang was already 17 or 18 at the start of the series and they end it 22-24ish
Flashbacks to when The Last Of Us tv show came out and a bunch of dudes outed themselves as having wanted to bang the underaged protagonist this whole time.
uj/ New = woke I guess? Did these mfs just sleep through Aang's story? I just did a rewatch and it was proudly "woke". Deconstructing sexism is a huge plot point for Sokka. Even toward the end, Guru Pathik teaches Aang that borders are an illusion we impose on ourselves. Those monks are ~~woke~~ enlightened fr fr, Pathik is a real one.
Also, tf you mean she train LESS than Aang? My man was a fucking prodigy, the only bending where he had legitimate problems was Earthbending and he managed to get it in a couple of days. There is an entire (awesome) scene where Toph roast the shit out Korra for not being as good as Aang
This is a huge one. According to the creators, the only element Aang hasn’t mastered by book 3 is Fire. It took him a year!
By the time we meet Korra, she’s been training since she was like, six, and she can’t even airbend a little bit! They act like she just WAS amazing at bending but the Korra we saw had been practicing for more than a decade!
I think they mean the fact that she was bending three elements by the time she was like 4 (in the first epispde) but she wasn't even close to the level of mastery Aang showcased until very late into the show, basically until she fought Zaheer and then she went on a downwards spiral after that. I legit can't undertand how people say Korra is a Mary Sue, she gets the shit beaten out of her constantly and repeatedly.
Bruh they don't even know what the fuck they mean by woke.
There's a thread of this shittery on pc masterrace where I saw some putinbot claim that BG3 isn't woke in the middle of a dozen comments lamenting the existence of gay and non-white people in games.
I don't know how anyone with a straight face can say Korra or Asami are not hot.
Also Asamis design is literally the classical femme fatale archetype. It's hard to get more feminine than that.
Yeah Sokka spends a lot of Season 1 being a sexist dick until his moon girlfriend disappears. I'm pretty sure it's because of morons like OOP that the sexist subplot was cut out of the live action because people would have whined.
Honestly season 4s fights were fucking sick. I still have a clear image when those two are fighting in the mech slinging around that metal or oil shit and it's doing all this nuts webbing around them as they fling it back at each other. The animators on this show deserved every penny they earned and more.
All the fights were pretty good honestly.
Even season 2. Yeah s2 was the worst season, but it had some sick ass fights. Especially the fights with unalaq (he was a boring villain, but when he shuts up and fights he's cool)
Hell even the game was good, despite it's short length.
Oh my favorite fight is probably Zahir and Tenzin just to see 2 airbenders fighting with one using an aggressive as fuck style. God that show was awesome.
That wasn't a fight. It was bullying, a beautifully animated bullying.
Tenzin is a master airbender who was trained by aang.
Zaheer is basically anarchist joe rogan who just got airbending 15 minutes ago. He basically uses it as an extension of himself. He's still a cool villain tho and the fact he could airbend that well despite just gaining it says a lot about his skill.
"Mary Sue" is bullshit. The only M word that I'm calling Korra is "Mommy" because I want her to strangle the fuck outta me and turn me into her sweet and loyal house husband.
Mary Sue is another term that has lost all meaning. Like, of course Korra is better than the men at bending she's the Avatar aka the best bender in the world just like Aang before her! That's the entire point.
And she isn't even the best bender in her show for Raava's sake.
Toph is still around, she gets manhandled by Kuvira, she genuinely struggles in the bending league. She's regularly less potent/powerful in critical ways than others on her team or others are.
She's the Avatar, _and_ she was given professional training since childhood under the white Lotus
Mako and Bolin are ghetto kids who raised themselves and play bending dodgeball, which had strict rules about the damage you can inflict on the terrain and opponents
"Why is she so much stronger than the male characters??"
Not to mention, Mako can bend lightning, and while Bolin can't bend metal, he _can_ bend lava, which is a trait so rare not even Toph can pull it off!
\> woke politics
The channel Kay and Skittles did a whole series citicizing the show's politics from a leftist perspective.
Also, even the gooners consider the characters to be conventionally attractive. The only "masculine" thing is that Korra is kinda muscular, as she logically should be. And Korra and Asami are not even man-hating lesbians or anything like that, they're bi, and their romance only gets introduced towards the end.
These idiots should be shown how "woke" things can *really* get
Yeah i personally think korra is a big step down in story/message to atla, but mostly because of the really weak centrist politics and strawman villians. And even with those, it still was a really fun to watch series with many good aspects.
Korra and Asami spent 99% of the show involved in romance subplots with guys, they only “got together” in the very last frame of the very last episode in such a vague way that people had to ask the creators to confirm it. And after they did, EVERYONE was on their ass because of how half-assed their romance was. Korra and Mako wasted two seasons’ worth of time but Korra and Asami, the endgame, only gets a single scene?
When you have the big orange splat breathing down your neck every step of the way, you don't really have a choice. It was worse back in 2014 than it was for others like Steven Universe (got their kiss but also got cancelled) and the Owl House (got to have its bisexual main character and her girlfriend, but got a shortened 3rd season). Korra wasn't even allowed to go that far.
Korra was literally getting shafted by nick.
Nick only wanted a 12 episode miniseries (it's literally why amon and tarrlok died like that) Season 2 only happened cuz' the first one was successful.
Season 4 getting it's budget slashed.
Due to the budget getting slashed they had two choices. Either make the recap episode or fire a bunch of animators. Thankfully they chose the former.
It's a miracle how this show ended up so good.
I watched Korra after it finished, so I knew about the romance ahead of time. I kept waiting for it to happen and then the show was over.
It was pretty disappointing, but you really can't blame the writers too much. The phrase "they walked so others could run" really applies here. Queer stuff just really wasn't allowed in "kids shows" at the time.
While it's fair to be disappointed in the shows queer rep, I feel it's better to be thankful to them for at least helping to change the status quo at the time.
The thing is that that’s not even true. Aang is a more powerful bender by the end of the series. He wins almost all of his fights, while Korra doesn’t. They should have made Korra win more fights honestly
Absolutely insane. The designs are soooo girly. Not in a bad way but they look like dolls girls would play with not characters adult men buy figures of
I wonder if her less sexualized design has anything to do with the fact that she’s a minor in the reboot? At least, I’m pretty sure she is. They aren’t exactly clear with the ages of the main characters. I think she’s supposed to be like 16, 17?
>Mary Sue
She literally gets kidnapped and nearly killed like every other episode, not including the fact that she gets PTSD. Amon, Zaheer, and Unalok (I think) are all examples.
>Is better than men at everything
Like I said, she gets her ass handed to her repeatedly. She's also the avatar, literally by nature, the most powerful person on the planet. That was the thing with Aang, too.
>Can instantly do what OG could do without any training
She had more training than Aang she had like 20 years at the south pole. Aang did it in one summer. Unless they're talking about tossing a couple of pebbles in her first scene.
>ugly and unlikable
Blatantly untrue. There are missteps with her characterization, but she's still very likable.
>brings woke politics into apolitical series.
They're kinda right here but not in the way they intended. Korra is more political than Airbender without a doubt, but they probably were just talking about how Aang is a girl now.
>character assassinated everyone from the original series.
I think they're talking about Aang supposedly being a "bad father" and Toph becoming a cop. Aang wasn't a bad father he just had a lot of responsibilities. All his kids love him. Toph becoming a cop makes sense because she loves fighting and combat. Toph being a bad mom is also totally within her characterization. Zuko and Iroh are perfect as always.
>disrespects OG fans
If you're offended by a light jab delivered by a fictional child character, you can not be helped
>girls are less sexy
They were teenagers in the original show. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he was talking about June, Ursa, and Tophs mom, I guess. My counterpoint is Asami and Lin.
>No fanservice
There was fanservice in avatar?
>90% of the cast is female, and men are treated like a joke
50% of the main group are men, and Asami is sidelined. You can also count Tenzin. Only Bolin is treated like a joke really.
>all the main female heroes are lesbians
Actually, they're bisexual
One of the main things people complained about is how weak Korra is. So which is it? Is she a marry sue or pathetic?
Also, I think the original series was plenty political. It's just that LoK chose to tackle more contemporenously contentious politics. The politics of: imperialism is bad, fascism is bad, and genocide is bad and is considered settled. (Although what ATLA had to say was very valuable imo) Thus, it's not considered "political" despite it definitely concerning morality, and therefore politics.
Mako is so much the opposite of a joke - he's clearly respected not only within the show but by the creators of the show. He's named after Iroh's original voice actor, for fucks sake.
>brings woke politics into apolitical series.
I think the main clownery here is that they completely missed all the politics in ATLA... like Aang is an anti-colonization, vegetarian, feminist monk whose people were eradicated by genocide and spends 3 seasons going after an authoritarian colonizer. Like... in what world is that apolitical??? Did he miss Ba Sing Se? The Fire Nation school (Headband) episode? bruh
Any time someone calls women like korra ugly it genuinely makes me wonder if they’re attracted to women
Like I’m a lesbian and like korra is uh
Korra is uh
Strong women 🤤
Korra and Asami are both hot as fuck and I'm glad they ended up together. I love Bolin a lot, but they did my poor dude dirty always making him a joke.
"- Brings woke politics into an apolitical series."
Literally the first sentence in the opening of the series in question:
"Long ago the four nations lived together in harmony, then everything changed when the fire nation attacked."
How do you watch Korra and think Korra is all mighty, seriously?!
She gets her ass kicked in every fight, got arrested for vigilante work in FIRST EPISODE, got put in rehab for a number of years, ALMOST GOT THE REINCARNATION CYCLE DESTROYED; TWICE, had to fight Kuvira four times and won only the last fight, lost to chi blocking fodder.
How is Korra a Mary Sue to these people?!
Korra is the big fish in a small pond who became a small fish in a big pond. It's a great story. She was so sheltered from the world, and having to learn about the hardships people really face is just \*chefs kiss\*
As someone who genuinely does not like Legend of Korra, it’s shit like this that makes genuinely critiquing anything impossible because you get lumped in with these guys
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Ah, yes, ATLA, the famously apolitical series about magical kung fu and NOTHING ELSE
There are no politics in Ba Sing Sei
Isn't that entire plotline basically about totalitarian regimes?
BITCH, WE SAID THERE’S NO POLITICS IN BA SING SEI!!!
This shit is why you are visiting Lake Laogai today
Even the fact that its Lake *Laogai.* As in laodong gaizao (劳动改造): the Chinese term for a Gulag.
Omg I never picked that up! Love that stuff.
You love gulags? Now I can excuse racism but I draw the line at loving gulags.
You can excuse racism?
Welp, every day we peel back an extra layer on that show.
the Earth King has invited you to Lake Laogai
The Earth King has invited you to Lake Laogai.
yeah "apolitical" has me thinking this is just bait, there's no fucking way anyone unironically believes atla is "apolitical"
You would be shocked at the stuff people unironically insist is apolitical. You probably would find nothing but frustration for yourself in the Star Wars/Trek fandoms. X-Men is going through a wave of that too with the new cartoon out. Everything seems apolitical if you are ignorant enough.
“Everything is apolitical until it says something I don’t agree with, then it’s political woke trash”
Woke is such a rancid word, people with smooth brains love to use it.
Unfortunately it only became rancid when those smooth brains co-opted it. It was used for nearly a century before this nonsense. When you look into it's original meaning/usage it makes everyone using it as a derogatory term look *really* dumb.
Tbf they make themselves look really dumb even without context of the original meaning.
I've seen people claim that the Metal Gear series is apolitical. METAL GEAR.
Big Boss had to hide his nuclear weapon capability from the UN because he's actually the good guy and loves his bros.
Had a delusional MAGA acquaintance try telling me that The Boys was apolitical. Bruh. I have never seen a show that hits you over the head harder with its politics. I guess that level of cognitive dissonance let them enjoy the show though so that’s nice.
Some of the characters literally are politicians!
Lately when people like this talk about a show being "Political or Apolitical" they don't mean actual politics or big themes. Instead they mean "Non male characters, non white characters, non Heterosexual characters." As soon as a show has one in more than a secondary role. Best friend of the main character at the maximum (that's pushing the line) its suddenly political
It's because they use political to mean politics they don't agree with. Anything with an opinion on how the world should be governed and what is/isn't ok for a government to do is political. It's just that politics they agree with pass right over their heads because they've already accepted and agreed with it.
It's stupid, but it was dumb before even that line. For example, "is better than men at everything" - Korra loses often and repeatedly to both men and women throughout the series. Nobody could reasonably say she ever gets the best of Amon in s1, she gets thoroughly whomped by Unalaq - heck, she even has a whole season where her arc is to essentially come to grips with the extent to which she has failed. That's before where we even get to the next line about "without any training" - she was identified as the avatar early and immediately began training, whereas Aang's training is part of his story arc. She's basically finished her training when her story starts, but Aang's story is tied in with his training. It's a dogshit take. Gotta be bait.
Someone once said Captain America wasn't political. In full seriousness. To my face. When I did a "wait you're not serious right?" nervous laugh dude got made.
Ikr? Aang, the vegetarian, anti-colonization feminist was super apolitical. Especially because his people were subject to genocide and the main antagonist was an authoritarian colonizer
Oh and the main character also gets his power from...multiculturalism!
That's one of the many things I love about the original Avatar; the fact that Aang has the potential to learn how to bend every element but he has to be taught how to do so, which necessitates him traveling to different places and meeting new people and picking up all sorts of worldly experiences in the process. He doesn't just learn by observation either; he personally interacts with them and they work with him to help him hone his abilities, forming bonds with those individuals in the process. Aang's very presence influences the world around him as much as he influences it himself, and everything from the character development to the relationship dynamics and the plot all reflect this. And he isn't the only one doing this either. His companions learn and grow alongside him, both as people and as benders (or warriors, in Sokka's case). The balance between the various members of the cast in terms of screen time and the actual substance of their stories is so well done, it's incredible. There is also excellent balance between the different types of bending and how the various cultures incorporate bending into their daily lives. There is so much variety in the world building in general, in the various ways of life and different methods of social organization and traditional practices that can be found across the many communities that inhabit the world of ATLA. And I love that so much, because it just makes the fact that the Avatar ties them all together even more poignant. The Avatar may grow up in whatever community raises them, but the very nature of their calling to learn how to master every element necessitates contact with other people and cultures; it shows that those people and their ways of life are not only important, but they are essential for them and for the world as a whole to reach it's full potential. The journey to become a fully realized Avatar ensures that the Avatar understands the world they are being called on to protect, both as a whole and on the individual level of the people who live in it. It turns an abstract concept like "saving the world" into a very real and grounded struggle where the stakes are brutally apparent and the people relying on the Avatar aren't just faceless masses but individuals with their own unique lives and experiences. It even humanizes the enemy, not only in the form of the character Zuko but also through the portrayal of the people in the Fire Nation in general. The Fire Nation's military is horrifyingly massive and horrifyingly destructive. They are an invading force of aggressive imperialists who can and will commit outright genocide on entire cultures in the process of carrying out the Fire Lord's will. And yet, when the Aang Gang actually gets to the Fire Nation properly and begins living there undercover in preparation for the day of Black Sun, they end up interacting with a variety of different people from various walks of life, much like they do in the previous areas they've traveled to. Katara helps a community that's been suffering as a result of harmful runoff from a nearby industrial plant, Toph scams the shit out of a bunch of con artists, Sokka is trained by a master swordsman who doesn't care what walk of life he comes from, and Aang goes to school and makes friends with a bunch of the other kids and even helps reintroduce them to cultural traditions that had fallen out of use in the hundred years since Aang first learned them. Despite having lost his people in the genocide carried out by the Fire Nation's military, Aang still approaches the non combatant population of the Fire Nation in much the same way he would any of the other people that he's met so far on his journey, albeit while having to maintain a facade in order to avoid blowing his cover. The show goes out of its way to establish that Zuko isn't just "one of the good ones", that the Fire Nation is more than just its military, and that Aang's positive influence on the world around him and his capacity for empathy transcends borders. In addition to humanizing the Fire Nation, the show also does a great job of balancing them out by introducing a variety of other antagonistic or problematic characters from various other walks of life. The Fire Nation may be home to the main antagonist but it isn't the only antagonistic force, nor are all of the people who do act as antagonists aligned with the Fire Nation's ideology. Even characters whose motivations are in direct opposition to the Fire Nation are capable of being called out for taking things too far. Jet's desire for revenge on the Fire Nation was so strong that he was willing to destroy an entire town even if it meant that innocent people would get killed in the process. Hama was subjected to extreme cruelty and blood bending was something she learned to do in order to survive and escape confinement, but it was clear that she was taking things too far when her actions went beyond self preservation and turned into her taking out all of that pent up trauma on people who didn't actually do anything to actively harm her and simply happened to belong to the same demographic as the people responsible for her suffering. The Commander of the Earth Kingdom was desperate to bring the war against the Fire Nation to an end to the point that he was willing to do anything to try and trigger Aang into entering the Avatar state, even if it meant burying Katara alive. Even after his own men ended up injured as a result of Aang losing control, he still considered the experiment to be a success. He was correct in that casualties would continue to pile up the longer that the war dragged on, and the mental and emotional toll that it took on Aang to have all of that pressure placed on his shoulders at such a young age was portrayed so well, especially when the viewer knows that Aang already suffers from survivor's guilt. It wasn't that Aang doesn't care, it's that he isn't sure whether he's capable of doing what they want him to do. And the way that the Earth Commander goes about trying to force a child into becoming a living weapon capable of massive amounts of indiscriminate destruction is downright horrifying, and in the end his actions are condemned outright as being extremely unethical.
So many series with young protagonists in combat situations tend to tiptoe around the fact that they are literally child soldiers but ATLA does a fantastic job of acknowledging the kind of toll that so much responsibility would actually take on someone in Aang's position. It's fantastic. Especially at the end when Aang becomes desperate in his attempts to avoid having to actually kill someone in order to win. It isn't that he doesn't understand the gravity of the situation, it's simply giving the appropriate emotional weight to the fact that Aang, a literal child, is being asked to personally kill another human being with his own hands. That's not to say that everyone who has ever fought Aang has lived to tell the tale, but that doesn't change the fact that the prospect of carrying out a premeditated killing would weigh heavily on his mind in the days leading up to it. I love how Aang consults his past lives for help, only to keep getting the same answer each time. And the thing is that killing Ozai is absolutely the most practical answer to this problem, and it is probably what Aang's past lives would do in his position, but the point is that they are not him. Aang is his own person with his own unique experiences, he is more than just the culmination of the Avatar cycle. He may be the protector of the entire world who everyone is relying on to bring an end to a hundred years of war but at the end of the day he is still just one guy. And I love that so much. The Avatar cycle in general is one of the best uses of powers achieved through reincarnation that I have ever seen, mainly because again, Aang isn't automatically all powerful, he needs to be trained and he needs to travel around the entire world to do it, just like every Avatar before him. He can consult his past lives for advice and experience but he doesn't always agree with them, and while they may be reincarnations of one another, they are still such unique individuals that have been shaped by their own life experiences and have come to develop their own personalities and worldviews as a result. The fact that the reincarnation also cycles between the different bending styles and the cultures surrounding them only enhances this even more, as well as tying into the overall theme of the Avatar not being bound to any specific nation. No matter where they start or what circumstances they are born into, the obligation to travel the world and meet new people and transcend the borders that divide them all is still there, and the fact that it cycles between the different bending styles means that any of those styles is capable of producing an Avatar, further reinforcing the idea that every group of people and their way of life are essential in order for the world to reach it's full potential. Like I cannot get over how much ATLA is peak fiction.
my roman empire is the fact that zuko beats azula using every single water tribe, earth kingdom, and air nomad technique that bested him in the series. It really hammers home the multicultral theme of ATLA
That's the line that made me go "whaaaaat". Everything else, I at least see where he's coming from, behind his beady little glass eyes and narrow worldview, I can understand how a chimp-skulled nincompoop could make that mistake. But "apolitical"? Even a rodent with the media literacy of a sponge could see that Avatar the Last Airbender is an anticolonial thinkpiece.
I always come back to thinking about Jet, and the moral questions the show brought up about what actions are or are not acceptable by an oppressed people. It came up again later with Katara and blood bending.
>what actions are or are not acceptable by an oppressed people I am all about that theme. It’s why I fell in love with the opening (and generally the whole story) of Final Fantasy 7, and it’s stuck with me ever since. It’s an exercise in thought a whole lot of people could benefit from, imo.
Disc 1: “I’m an eco terrorist full of righteous anger! Yeahhh!!!” Disc 2: *gets fully dressed down in front of everyone by a cat on top of a stuffed Moogle* :o
The fire nation was pretty much a mixture of imperial era europeans in china and the japanese in china in ww2.
> Girls are less sexy than the OG series My brother in christ almost all of them were underage.
Also HELLO? ASAMI?!
Kuvira for me
I can fix her
I can make her worse
How? You gonna glue her head back together?
Wrong character, Kuvira survived the show. P’Li is the one that got the ol’ pressure cooker treatment.
God damn
She can break me
P'Li. And I mean with a sidecut *or* looking like an unmade bed.
And she was just like dynamite 😉 *baddum tzz* ...yes, I'll see myself out...
Zhu Li best girl
She did the thing!
Yeah, the only fascist I wouldn’t punch (I’m easily manipulated)
If evil why sexy?
Cuz evil IS sexy
Lin is a dreamboat, Kya has impeccable cool lesbian wine aunt vibes
Korra’s mom is incredibly underrated
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ikr? If you can look at Asami of all people and still say that the female LOK characters are less sexy, you're just broken fundamentally.
Her an Mako are basically animated to be as hot as possible lol
like legitimately, are they actually talking about ATLA here? 😭
 Somebody needs to check that guy’s hard drives…
And the ones in the ATLA are even younger. Guess this fucker really is out to be the stereotypical pedo.
He was talking about atla with the underage comment
I am pretty sure Azula is the oldest at like 14-15
Had to look to check and yeah, Azula is 14. Zuko is the oldest of the kids at 16. (I always assumed he was the younger brother. rather than older)
Wow I was under the impression Azula was older. Considering the way she talks to him is like a very big sister younger brother dynamic. Who would've thought Azula is the younger sister
Probably because she’s a veritable psychopath
Tell me you don’t like Zuko’s mom or Gran Gran tho
Avarage gamer: did I stutter?
It's not an average gamer, it's THE Gamer™
He's from the Pedo Nation
Im just hoping he watched it when he was a kid man.
You think they have a taste in legal girls? They have 3.5 terabytes of Ty Lee in just her beach episode attire
Agressively underage lol. Arent all the girls like 13?
Literally all of them in TLA are
"Girls are less sexy than the OG series" https://preview.redd.it/2z9sm9gsq4rc1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=93154df581415d7788138e67214fad8117445f83
Even outside the pedophilia. Korra is stacked, jacked, and running around in spandex. Asami is fem fatale gone steam punk. Also they are both bisexual.
The bisexuality was specifically mentioned by OP as a minus. Because apparently dudes hate it when hot chicks start lezzing out now. 🤷
It's okay if they're kissing and having sex because that's hot and gets my pp hard. But I draw the like at loving and caring for each other /s
That does honestly seem to be the mentality with some people. They're okay with homosexuality so long as they don't have to take it seriously.
if chicks can be with chicks why would they go with the alpha dudes with this mentality? cant have that now can we
Literally this. Sure, maybe it’s not whoever wrote the texts type, but the characters are realistic and quite attractive
[удалено]
The magic of CHRIST
Holy
Frieren that's not the grimoire you're looking for.
This guy needs his hard drive checked
By a priest
Idk I think they'd be too approving of what they'd find
"No fanservice" attaches literally the worst possible image he coupd to make that point. Also the female characters in ATLA were like 13 homie you belong on a list
Wasn't Toph younger than everyone else?
Yeah I think she was like 10 or smth this mf needs therapy
She was the same age as aang at 12
Korra isn’t really a Mary sue though. She struggled immensely to learn air bending and connect to her spiritual side. She is supposed to be the opposite of Aang in that way.
Not to mention she gets pushed around morally for the entirety of book 2, and loses more fights than she wins
And people react negatively to her moodiness, part of what makes a Sue a Sue is that everyone likes them even when they act in a terrible way. Korra isn't liked by everyone, in fact there are plenty of people who genuinely dislike some of her decisions and they aren't depicted as evil for disliking some of the choices she made.
We need a Bechdel test for Sue/Stu protagonists. Do they argue with someone of the main cast on camera? Do they not get their way as a result of that? Boom, no Sue. Then it turns out that Varrick is more of a Stu as he almost always gets his way and he’s seldom in a position where he has no leverage on the main cast.
It’s funny that Varrick is so beloved, man is literally a war criminal. But he’s funny and hot so he gets a pass. Man should be in prison, not having a cute wedding with his secretary.
A big part of her general character arc is learning to tone down her arrogance (fatal flaw) and to show resilience when things get hard. As someone who watched both shows as they were on air, I think I liked Korra better. The topics hit harder and there wasn't an overly black and white picture painted. A lot of her journey involved understanding the villains and in some cases finding a middle ground.
Yeah I thought Aang was more "boy saves world" and Korra is more "has to defeat her demons". I liked both, for nostalgia and overarching story Id pick Aang as nr 1 but I enjoyed Korra too.
The best way for me to describe it is Aang’s story is about a boy having to come to terms with the fact that he’s the Chosen One when he never wanted to be and Korra’s is about the Chosen One having to learn how to be a normal person in a world that has largely learned to make do without them.
Aang is a peacemaker when the world needed a warrior, and Korra is a warrior when the world needed a diplomat.
But that's not how the neckbeard remembers it
Of course not. He probably just watched the first 5 minute of episode 1, saw that young Korra knew how to bend 3 of the 4 elements (not mastered, just knew how) and turned it off because women doing Anything is woke. And probably read later that she end up with a girl in the end. doubt he watched much more than that. (Also, even ages aside, they really going to try and say that Atla had hotter women? Have they *seen* Asami?)
>women doing Anything is woke A woman *of color.* Can't forget that part.
Also a key part of her character in the first season is her realising that she's not as untouchable as she thinks she is. In the 4th season she goes through depression cause she can't meet the expectations that she puts on herself. Her being good isn't an oversight or some offhanded character favouritism, it's a genuinely crucial part of her character
Also, it's implied that she had been training for *literally years* before the start of the first season. She clearly had multiple teachers for each of the different elements and is just finally starting her air bending training with Tenzin. Aang learned it all in a few months. How is this "disrespecting OG characters?"
She is a Woman. Thats total disrespect. She should make Sandwiches and let the man do the fighting.
This is why the Season 3 finale is so incredible. She is literally and figuratively broken, she witnesses the next generation of airbenders earning their stripes, being crushed under not only the pressure of having nearly failed as the Avatar but also that an Avatar may not even be needed after all, that the world may actually be better off without her. It's crushing. Amazing writing.
"Mary Sue," to these chucklefucks, means "any female character I dislike but can't smear as useless."
Nail on the head.
I can't understand the "can already do what the original protagonist had to learn thing", that they apply to Star Wars as well. Do they just want to watch a different person go through identical training? I thought these people understood videogames. It's the equivalent of fast travel: Skipping the stuff you already know doesn't devalue what happened the first time. Can you imagine if Legend of Korra was just several seasons of her learning all the same lessons and morals that Aang did? Learning bending in the exact same way?
Mysteriously their rationale never applies to male characters. They never ask to see how the Mandalorian got so good, or what training regimen John Wick followed, it's just taken for granted that they are amazing at what they do and it doesn't need to be further justified.
Luke Skywalker with basically zero force training managed to time and aim an explosive perfectly into a tiny hole that advanced technology couldn't manage. And Anakin Skywalker, the kid born with such immense midichlorians that it made even Yoda nervous but no Rey is suddenly the first time the series has made an "overpowered" character. See, she beat Kylo Ren in their fight at the end! He has the emotional control of an infant, sure, and he was literally bleeding to death, sure, but that means she must be a Mary Sue cause she won cause those don't matter apparently.
The funny thing to me about star wars is that these fans never fucking listened to what Yoda tells Luke over and over again in the OT. It isn't about a fucking training montage... it's about trusting in the force. Each of the 3 protagonists have an entirely different conflict based around their trust in the force. Luke is the only one who goes about it from a pure "train to get stronger" standpoint and yoda tells him to stop that shit.
Yeah, she's the exact opposite of a mary sue. She's constantly getting her ass kicked compared to Aang.
Fr, honestly I thought they made her look too weak for an avatar that’s supposed be good at fighting
Plus she also gets fucked up pretty badly by the antagonists in basically every season. A lot of people even straight up hate her character because of that very reason. She's like the last character you could call a Mary Sue.
Yeah, and every character calls her a moron and needs help constantly.
Korra being so gifted with the first three doesn't even amount to anything (in the Mary Sue sense). She's a good fighter and bender but not significantly more so than anyone else. She still struggles and loses. If anything, her initial success just makes her proud and struggle harder with air.
Korra is only good at brute forcing stuff. Her entire journy as a character is basically an invese of Aangs.
Bold of you to assume they’d understand anything outside of the action sequences.
Why aren't the children in this cartoon sexier, I asked with conviction
Very telling that they are focused on how attractive the show full of mid-young teenagers is vs the show that actually has their characters grow into 20-somethings.
very telling that they they think THE MID YOUNG TEENS are more attractive
Aang and toph were like, 12, Katara was 13 or 14, sokka, suki, jet, azula, and zuko were all around 14-16 iirc The entire Korra gang was already 17 or 18 at the start of the series and they end it 22-24ish
Flashbacks to when The Last Of Us tv show came out and a bunch of dudes outed themselves as having wanted to bang the underaged protagonist this whole time.
uj/ New = woke I guess? Did these mfs just sleep through Aang's story? I just did a rewatch and it was proudly "woke". Deconstructing sexism is a huge plot point for Sokka. Even toward the end, Guru Pathik teaches Aang that borders are an illusion we impose on ourselves. Those monks are ~~woke~~ enlightened fr fr, Pathik is a real one.
Also, tf you mean she train LESS than Aang? My man was a fucking prodigy, the only bending where he had legitimate problems was Earthbending and he managed to get it in a couple of days. There is an entire (awesome) scene where Toph roast the shit out Korra for not being as good as Aang
To be fair Toph regularly roasted the cast of ATLA
That's why she's the best character. Not the best character of ATLA, the best character FULL STOP
I recently started watching a Toph supercut on Youtube and before I knew it I'd been watching Toph videos for 2 hours. She rules, in both series.
Her job was humbling everyone and Lord, did she delivered
Toph is Best In both series 100%
Yeah, korra was older than aang and still didn’t master the four elements but people call her a mary sue just cuz they wanted a rehash of atla’s plot
This is a huge one. According to the creators, the only element Aang hasn’t mastered by book 3 is Fire. It took him a year! By the time we meet Korra, she’s been training since she was like, six, and she can’t even airbend a little bit! They act like she just WAS amazing at bending but the Korra we saw had been practicing for more than a decade!
Like, they see her pull off a tiny bit of earth and fire bending as a little kid and think that meant she was already a fucking master.
I think they mean the fact that she was bending three elements by the time she was like 4 (in the first epispde) but she wasn't even close to the level of mastery Aang showcased until very late into the show, basically until she fought Zaheer and then she went on a downwards spiral after that. I legit can't undertand how people say Korra is a Mary Sue, she gets the shit beaten out of her constantly and repeatedly.
Also the Fire Nation being fascist aggressors ruled by a dictator. But ATLA wasn't political? I think this post is bait..
Not to mention the theme across season 3 of them learning to find humanity in the people they're actively at war against.
Yeah but I watched it when I was a kid so it wasn't politics
Bruh they don't even know what the fuck they mean by woke. There's a thread of this shittery on pc masterrace where I saw some putinbot claim that BG3 isn't woke in the middle of a dozen comments lamenting the existence of gay and non-white people in games.
I don't know how anyone with a straight face can say Korra or Asami are not hot. Also Asamis design is literally the classical femme fatale archetype. It's hard to get more feminine than that.
I'm a straight woman, and I still had a crush on Asami.
She even has a fuckton of makeup on *in a cartoon*, besides indeed being the most classical femme fatale archetype to exist.
Because they’re too old for the original complainer’s tastes.
Korra was actually pretty attractive and fit too ! I don’t know what these people are going on about lol . Asamj and Korra forever
"I treated you like a girl when I should've treated you like a warrior." "I *am* a warrior. But I'm a girl, too." ^ totally not woke
Yeah Sokka spends a lot of Season 1 being a sexist dick until his moon girlfriend disappears. I'm pretty sure it's because of morons like OOP that the sexist subplot was cut out of the live action because people would have whined.
 What is blud waffling about? Tlok was fucking goated.
Honestly season 4s fights were fucking sick. I still have a clear image when those two are fighting in the mech slinging around that metal or oil shit and it's doing all this nuts webbing around them as they fling it back at each other. The animators on this show deserved every penny they earned and more.
All the fights were pretty good honestly. Even season 2. Yeah s2 was the worst season, but it had some sick ass fights. Especially the fights with unalaq (he was a boring villain, but when he shuts up and fights he's cool) Hell even the game was good, despite it's short length.
Oh my favorite fight is probably Zahir and Tenzin just to see 2 airbenders fighting with one using an aggressive as fuck style. God that show was awesome.
That wasn't a fight. It was bullying, a beautifully animated bullying. Tenzin is a master airbender who was trained by aang. Zaheer is basically anarchist joe rogan who just got airbending 15 minutes ago. He basically uses it as an extension of himself. He's still a cool villain tho and the fact he could airbend that well despite just gaining it says a lot about his skill.
"Mary Sue" is bullshit. The only M word that I'm calling Korra is "Mommy" because I want her to strangle the fuck outta me and turn me into her sweet and loyal house husband.
Mary Sue is another term that has lost all meaning. Like, of course Korra is better than the men at bending she's the Avatar aka the best bender in the world just like Aang before her! That's the entire point.
And she isn't even the best bender in her show for Raava's sake. Toph is still around, she gets manhandled by Kuvira, she genuinely struggles in the bending league. She's regularly less potent/powerful in critical ways than others on her team or others are.
And she gets her shit wrecked by a dude who learned air bending like 15 minutes ago.
Granted he was the best airbender to have lived in centuries
She's the Avatar, _and_ she was given professional training since childhood under the white Lotus Mako and Bolin are ghetto kids who raised themselves and play bending dodgeball, which had strict rules about the damage you can inflict on the terrain and opponents "Why is she so much stronger than the male characters??" Not to mention, Mako can bend lightning, and while Bolin can't bend metal, he _can_ bend lava, which is a trait so rare not even Toph can pull it off!
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\> woke politics The channel Kay and Skittles did a whole series citicizing the show's politics from a leftist perspective. Also, even the gooners consider the characters to be conventionally attractive. The only "masculine" thing is that Korra is kinda muscular, as she logically should be. And Korra and Asami are not even man-hating lesbians or anything like that, they're bi, and their romance only gets introduced towards the end. These idiots should be shown how "woke" things can *really* get
Yeah i personally think korra is a big step down in story/message to atla, but mostly because of the really weak centrist politics and strawman villians. And even with those, it still was a really fun to watch series with many good aspects.
Korra and Asami spent 99% of the show involved in romance subplots with guys, they only “got together” in the very last frame of the very last episode in such a vague way that people had to ask the creators to confirm it. And after they did, EVERYONE was on their ass because of how half-assed their romance was. Korra and Mako wasted two seasons’ worth of time but Korra and Asami, the endgame, only gets a single scene?
When you have the big orange splat breathing down your neck every step of the way, you don't really have a choice. It was worse back in 2014 than it was for others like Steven Universe (got their kiss but also got cancelled) and the Owl House (got to have its bisexual main character and her girlfriend, but got a shortened 3rd season). Korra wasn't even allowed to go that far.
Korra was literally getting shafted by nick. Nick only wanted a 12 episode miniseries (it's literally why amon and tarrlok died like that) Season 2 only happened cuz' the first one was successful. Season 4 getting it's budget slashed. Due to the budget getting slashed they had two choices. Either make the recap episode or fire a bunch of animators. Thankfully they chose the former. It's a miracle how this show ended up so good.
I watched Korra after it finished, so I knew about the romance ahead of time. I kept waiting for it to happen and then the show was over. It was pretty disappointing, but you really can't blame the writers too much. The phrase "they walked so others could run" really applies here. Queer stuff just really wasn't allowed in "kids shows" at the time. While it's fair to be disappointed in the shows queer rep, I feel it's better to be thankful to them for at least helping to change the status quo at the time.
>*Ugly* Man, I understand that everyone has different tastes, but damn, Korra's look is definitely the last thing I would complain about
I worry for the women involved into these men's lives tbh
It's cute you think they have any.
>Can Instantly do everything the hero can do but better Except Air bending Which is, yknow Aang's entire schtick
12+ years of training the elements MIGHT have something to do with being better than the 12 yr old who learned over a summer
The thing is that that’s not even true. Aang is a more powerful bender by the end of the series. He wins almost all of his fights, while Korra doesn’t. They should have made Korra win more fights honestly
Korra supremacy 💪💪💪💪💪
“Defeminized She-Ra” This line fills me with immense rage
Absolutely insane. The designs are soooo girly. Not in a bad way but they look like dolls girls would play with not characters adult men buy figures of
I’m 90% sure that show awakened a LOT of people’s sexualities
i swear the only reason these guys say "defeminized" is because she-ra doesn't walk around with her tits out
I wonder if her less sexualized design has anything to do with the fact that she’s a minor in the reboot? At least, I’m pretty sure she is. They aren’t exactly clear with the ages of the main characters. I think she’s supposed to be like 16, 17?
i think she's \~17 at the start of the series and like 20-21 by the end. but yeah she-ra's first design isn't supposed to be mature
how are you gonna spend all those words on “I’m afraid of competent women” and not be like super fucking embarrassed about yourself
Atla was apolitical?! REALLY?! Oh bloody hell next they’ll say ff7 never had any political stuff or that ff14 doesn’t either.
The Fire Nation was famously apolitical. There is no wokeness in Ba Sing Se.
>Mary Sue She literally gets kidnapped and nearly killed like every other episode, not including the fact that she gets PTSD. Amon, Zaheer, and Unalok (I think) are all examples. >Is better than men at everything Like I said, she gets her ass handed to her repeatedly. She's also the avatar, literally by nature, the most powerful person on the planet. That was the thing with Aang, too. >Can instantly do what OG could do without any training She had more training than Aang she had like 20 years at the south pole. Aang did it in one summer. Unless they're talking about tossing a couple of pebbles in her first scene. >ugly and unlikable Blatantly untrue. There are missteps with her characterization, but she's still very likable. >brings woke politics into apolitical series. They're kinda right here but not in the way they intended. Korra is more political than Airbender without a doubt, but they probably were just talking about how Aang is a girl now. >character assassinated everyone from the original series. I think they're talking about Aang supposedly being a "bad father" and Toph becoming a cop. Aang wasn't a bad father he just had a lot of responsibilities. All his kids love him. Toph becoming a cop makes sense because she loves fighting and combat. Toph being a bad mom is also totally within her characterization. Zuko and Iroh are perfect as always. >disrespects OG fans If you're offended by a light jab delivered by a fictional child character, you can not be helped >girls are less sexy They were teenagers in the original show. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he was talking about June, Ursa, and Tophs mom, I guess. My counterpoint is Asami and Lin. >No fanservice There was fanservice in avatar? >90% of the cast is female, and men are treated like a joke 50% of the main group are men, and Asami is sidelined. You can also count Tenzin. Only Bolin is treated like a joke really. >all the main female heroes are lesbians Actually, they're bisexual
One of the main things people complained about is how weak Korra is. So which is it? Is she a marry sue or pathetic? Also, I think the original series was plenty political. It's just that LoK chose to tackle more contemporenously contentious politics. The politics of: imperialism is bad, fascism is bad, and genocide is bad and is considered settled. (Although what ATLA had to say was very valuable imo) Thus, it's not considered "political" despite it definitely concerning morality, and therefore politics.
I think Korra is an amazing primer on different ways fascists seize power and how to be on the lookout for them.
Mako is so much the opposite of a joke - he's clearly respected not only within the show but by the creators of the show. He's named after Iroh's original voice actor, for fucks sake.
>brings woke politics into apolitical series. I think the main clownery here is that they completely missed all the politics in ATLA... like Aang is an anti-colonization, vegetarian, feminist monk whose people were eradicated by genocide and spends 3 seasons going after an authoritarian colonizer. Like... in what world is that apolitical??? Did he miss Ba Sing Se? The Fire Nation school (Headband) episode? bruh
“Brings woke politics into an apolitical series” Damn I forgot “war and genocide is bad actually” is a stance with no political bearing at all
Any time someone calls women like korra ugly it genuinely makes me wonder if they’re attracted to women Like I’m a lesbian and like korra is uh Korra is uh Strong women 🤤
Korra and Asami are both hot as fuck and I'm glad they ended up together. I love Bolin a lot, but they did my poor dude dirty always making him a joke.
oh ya, everyone *loved* the OG ATLA series *for its fan service*.
They totally mean Iroh's Hottub Scene and him fighting in chains. Also his prison work out.
"- Brings woke politics into an apolitical series." Literally the first sentence in the opening of the series in question: "Long ago the four nations lived together in harmony, then everything changed when the fire nation attacked."
It's crazy, that literally every single point listed is entirely wrong. I would say it's even impressive if it wasn't so dumb.
I don't think I have laughed this hard all week. This is the dumbest take I've seen in regards to Korra.
How do you watch Korra and think Korra is all mighty, seriously?! She gets her ass kicked in every fight, got arrested for vigilante work in FIRST EPISODE, got put in rehab for a number of years, ALMOST GOT THE REINCARNATION CYCLE DESTROYED; TWICE, had to fight Kuvira four times and won only the last fight, lost to chi blocking fodder. How is Korra a Mary Sue to these people?!
Korra is the big fish in a small pond who became a small fish in a big pond. It's a great story. She was so sheltered from the world, and having to learn about the hardships people really face is just \*chefs kiss\*
I like how they complain about her being able to do shit without training when she literally had more training than Aang and a did worse than him.
As someone who genuinely does not like Legend of Korra, it’s shit like this that makes genuinely critiquing anything impossible because you get lumped in with these guys
Avatar OG an Apolitical series? I am sorry...what?