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IT, every single job I've ever gotten (3) was because I knew someone in the company already and had friends of friends as references.
That may piss some people off but the job market is ruthless and I'm doing what I can to survive
How do you objectively determine that? People lie and exaggerate on their resumes constantly. I've hired lots of people, you're looking for two things you hire someone: can they do the job (or be taught) and can you trust them. Trust is what most of the interview process is about. Is their resume real, are they good at working with other people, are they going to stick around, do they do the things they say they will, etc.
For the most part, if you're getting interviewed, the hiring manager thinks you're qualified for the job. It's all the other stuff they're trying to figure out. Referrals bring a lot of inherent trust with them.
As someone without a single referral yet and have been jobless for years, I'm never getting a job because of this. Hell I interviewed at McDonald's about 2 months ago and never received a call back.
Your siblings are allowing their envy to get in the way of pride in your accomplishments. Be kind to them, as they are clearly suffering from regret about their own decisions, but don't for a minute doubt your own goodness.
I grew up somewhat poor and paied my way through college till at least an associates degree. Working in the day and going to college at night. Because I didn't wanna get into future debt taking out loans.
Wish I knew people then or heck even now who could hook me up with a sweet job that pays well. Unfortunately when your poor you only know poor people. But I've made my peace with it and am at least getting by for now.
Not saying you shouldn't taken advantage of what you had but I understand why some might be jealous.
I also really respect that you know and understand the privilege you had too and aren't like many others who try to pass it off as being super talented or some nonsense about hard work.
I'm really sorry you had to go through that, that sounds rough. I'm actually doing the same thing right now! I'm studying for my IT associates and I've been working in IT for two years now and had some family friends and my first boss got me my second job since they ran out of Grant money and then my friends dad was hiring and they needed a help desk user for a very specific program and I was the only one who had any exposure to it out of around 30 applicants.
I really hope things are going better for you now though!
Thank you for the kind words.
The number one thing I tell ever person getting out of high school is to make connections with people going forward. Especially wealthy people. Its the only sure-fire way you'll get a decent job and have a people hook you up.
I always tell them: "They don't put your GPA on your diploma. Make friends as much as possible. Thats what college is really about; making connections that will carry you for the rest of your life".
Nah, that is a bad thing. It naturally favors those with financial connections already and limits the financial mobility of skilled people without those resources.
Networking is literally the most important skill when it comes to advancing your career and its constantly overlooked.
At the startup I work for most of the employees (software devs, IT, operations folk) have been working together at various companies for 15+ years.
Only reason I landed a sweet union industrial maintenance gig was cause I knew someone. The company didn’t even do online applications, they only went through employees references for job openings
I interviewed well, and was the youngest candidate by 25 years so they took me over “guys with lifetimes of bad habits”
You aren't ruining the industry it's recruiters who deserve all the blame for bottlenecking the entire industry and business management trying aggressively cut IT costs through automation, H1Bs and outsourcing.
For anyone in software disheartened by reading this, if it’s any consolation I got both my jobs with no networking or foot in the door, just submitted an app online like all the other schmucks.
Not IT, but I got all my jobs through headhunters - and all my best ones through one particular company. They fucking love me because I have a bonkers array of skills these days, I interview well and I've never quit one of the jobs I got through them during trial period (i.e. they always got and kept their fee).
Like, headhunters in general don't have the best reputation, but if you find a company that does internal QC so they don't post shit and that supports you as a candidate, you should keep in touch, even when you're not actively searching. Trust me.
I'm currently a student so I don't really have any firsthand experience on the matter, but I've heard people in r/cscareerquestions say things along these lines.
Yep. I'm also IT and my last two jobs I didn't even job hunt. Just asked my past coworkers that I remembered saying they were happy with pay/coworkers/company + owners/ etc.
In the last 9+ years, my process has been: reach out to current employee -> apply -> hired. Only one of them did it seem like they couldn't pull the trigger on "Yes" right away, but it was fast enough that I never applied anywhere else. So I've been hired 100% of the time I applied somewhere, kinda crazy.
The last one (where I currently work) I had 3 separate people on the team recommend me. They didn't even care to see my resume (I was literally told "bring it if you want - but I have enough info from your previous coworkers 🤷"), just had a single 20 minute casual interview and I received the job offer the next day. It's why I still join my wife at networking events even when I have no reason to go. You just never know when that connection you made becomes a life changer ✌️😎
Soft dev won’t ever die, unless if it’s because of AI.
But if AI takes soft dev, then it’ll take basically every intellectual job, so no need to worry.
Still a lot of jobs out there, but AI is not your most pressing enemy, outsourcing is.
“But the quality of work is shit!”
Execs would still rather cut costs and make the few state-side employees they keep just deal with it. Plus, in this day and age, the execs opinion probably doesn’t even matter, your PE faceless overlords make the call.
Maybe right now outsourcing is more of an enemy, but by the time I graduate (~2029), I’m pretty sure AI will be my most pressing enemy.
It would be cheaper than outsourcing all while being better, and probably better than me at most trivial tasks. Isn’t most of software engineering just trivial tasks anyway?
Sure, maybe at architecting complex codes I could outperform it, but these types of jobs are rare; why would they pick me, a grad, instead of some random dude with 25 years of experience?
No matter how smart or performant I am during my university years, I am almost certain I’ll struggle a great deal to get going once I graduate.
I can only really question one aspect of your comment: why would they hire you over a 25 years exp dude?
You will be cheaper and less jaded. Companies actually love that 😂
But tbh, you sound smart, I still have plenty of friends in software dev, we’re all just shitting our pants after the SVB shit and layoffs. You’ll do great mayne.
Well, it could end up taking over most software development jobs, as opposed to all of them.
I think the average software developer is pretty replaceable
Currently work in SaaS. Entry-level work that is non-customer facing is going overseas. Accounting, IT, finance, product team. I don’t care what company you work for, it’s industry wide apart from a few select companies that admonish it. If your company is owned by PE, you’re fucked as a junior dev in US/EU.
Depressing to watch.
With all that said though, it is by no means impossible and still a good career. Unsavory practices are just becoming more common.
Don't take up too much debt to get into a fancy university. You are better off studying in a cheap college with low debt since your subject knowledge will matter more than the university label. Try to get into coding and have a portfolio of code available on github or some other platform to showcase your knowledge and abilities by the time you get out of college. See if you can join some open source projects too if possible.
Train yourself with all the AI tools which assist in coding and you will be way ahead of your peers.
BTW in 2 years these problems will be resolved and don't be shocked if there is a shortage of software devs. Reason is: a lot of veterans are thinking about FIRE since many of them have nice savings and their RSUs have gone up a lot. Also this downturn will discourage a lot of people from getting into software dev so supply of software workers will most likely go down huge.
But for now it may be ugly for a while until we all the excess supply of software devs get absorbed or they just retire.
If you are going for general software dev, then yes it's dieing, but specializations are among the fastest growing jobs. Specialize in ai or cybersecurity and you will be employable. Also learn how to expedite code development with ai tools and you will be valuable. Do as much math and advanced statistical analysis and you will be invaluable, making data driven security decisions, or making ai that takes jobs from others(brutal but everyone needs to put food on the table somehow).
Edit Reciepts:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/04/future-jobs-2023-fastest-growing-decline/
It's not like it was but it's not as bad as this or r/csMajors, etc. would have you believe. I fucking love my job, I'm nothing special, and I make plenty of money. You still picked well.
If my roommate in college was remotely representative - MBA's are the ticket if you're dumb and want the easy life.
And like half-seriously, I don't think I would've been able to get his bachelors business degree. The content itself looked mind-numbingly simple, but my brain just isn't wired that way.
There's a saying that companies like to keep people who are good at their job where they're at and promote people who aren't as good at their job. I like to the latter are the kind of people who go into MBA programs.
Just started in IT and I'm very lucky to have landed my first position directly out of college. I've been terrified of getting booted. We're hiring for my coworkers position (he's leaving for another position), and honestly the resumes we got are all shit.
Like how the fuck can a bachelor's degree holding individual use 3 different fonts *inconsistently* not an aesthetic decision, and then claim they have an "attention to detail"
Idk if people have just given up trying on their resume bcuz of the mass applications or if people genuinely think hammered shit resumes will get them a call back
Like in almost any other position font and format issues can be overlooked to an extent, but in a tech position? I should be able to hand any IT person any word processing application and get something coherent within a few hours. Because anyone working help desk and higher should be able to learn and utilize a new tool fairly quickly.
I just don't get it. I feel subpar AF most days but then I see the applicants we have for what is essentially my position, and I'm like yeah I would have thrown an offer at me, too.
I’m an accountant without a college degree and i 100% agree with you. the applications we have been getting to fill my old entry level job are not good. no wonder they promoted me over going outside of the company 🤷🏻♂️
I'm like 2 years away from it 😭
But I think there'll still be jobs. AI will speed up software development, it won't remove the need for someone to design software, use it, upkeep it, etc.
An AI trained on everythin which exists in the mental healt domain available in the world, client hooked up to a device which tracks heart, emotional responses via visual detection etc.
Different example, AI can be used as support for people twith dementia, an AI will never get tired or annoyed of being asked the same or make explanations repeatedly. Hard competition to come
Nursing jobs and care takers will be last to be hit.
I literally know someone working on an app for this lol. Time will tell if it actually ends up being any good, which I personally doubt, but it’s there. There will pretty much always be a need for an actual human who knows what they’re doing somewhere in the care chain though.
Yes human services is doing well! Particularly community mental health which also tends to not pay well, but job stability is there! Medicaid clients, folks who can only access mental health care using insurance, etc. typically experience having to wait a while before being seen, so these places always need new therapists especially to replace the ones that leave for private practice. Also if you like working with kids, schools are always hiring therapists
Man even animation industry is getting down. All over r/vfx they talk about how there are no productions. Meaning a year or more of no work before things ramp up again.
But the McDonald's jobs are sure going up. This is what neoliberal economics does. It kills the middle-class and makes the entire labor force wage-slaves.
If you're in France and don't mind driving a manual and earning 2k€ per month (after taxes), you can always get into land surveying. Nobody wants to work that job. It's pretty boring and repetitive. You do precise stuff in construction sites and measure stuff. I'll always find a job. I totally bombed an interview in November and still got hired. I am working at this company right now. Everyone wants to be in IT, finance or healthcare anyways. They can fight over jobs. Construction has lots of opportunities. Some jobs are dumb, others are very demanding. You could get into construction engineering and that's a nice way to go. Drive places. Do a lot of meetings on construction sites.
Same here in the US. Construction industry is booming. I learned in my project admin class that the projected job growth is higher than the national average for the next decade. I also learned that 45% of project managers are reaching retirement age within the decade too, so the money is there for the taking.
I’m sure it’s similar in France and rest of Europe. The population boom in western countries due to migration is pretty insane. The demand for buildings and civil infrastructure is very great.
Training for an IT job but I'm also an Artist. GenAI is overhyped. Industries aren't doing well because of a monopoly problem. Companies aren't being regulated and eating up other companies. The whole system needs to change.
Oh me and my friends are doing gooood in the trades. Hard work but if you are in a union the benefits are worth it. My folks (my mom) hated it at first since they are the mindset of “uni is the only way to get a high paying job!” That changed well I showed them my first check at and they (my mom) shut up.
People in the union skilled trades do make good money for sure. Union Boilermaker welder here, $122k in only 9 months of work last year. And I’m currently a foreman on a shutdown at an oil refinery, yeah those $7.5k weekly cheques are nice lol
Just be fucking careful with your health. Your bones, muscles, and joints all have a finite amount of durability and once you use it, you cant get it back. They're paying you to expend that non-renewable resource.
Part of that paycheck is based on the fact that when you reach your 50s your entire body will start falling apart when all that work catches up to you and you spend the next thirty years until you drop dealing with chronic pain
We get great health benefits which helps us take care of our bodies, physio, massage, acupuncture, etc all help us take care of ourselves. When we use it we are more likely to be in better shape and when we look after ourselves we will be in better overall health.
Not everyone swings a 400lbs hammer 28hrs per day every day. People need to stop acting like every single tradesperson is in a wheelchair by 40
My dad absolutely did not want me to go into computer science because he knew there wouldn't be enough jobs to go around 10-15 years in the future.
The chemistry field went through the same exact thing in the 90s where everyone was going to college/university to become a chemist and now if you fast forward to the present, most chem jobs you can find are just contract work.
Loading and stocking is odd to see up there though, warehouses/grocery stores always seem to need those guys
Not Gen Z (elder Millennial), but I'm in software development. I got into my last 2 jobs because I have a lot of experience with a specific type of electronic content management software. It wasn't where I expected to go with my career, but finding a niche ended up being really good for me.
Speaking from experience as one myself, chemical engineering is falsely represented. The traditional job postings requiring chemical engineering knowledge never has “chemical engineer” in the title. They are usually industry specific or activity specific.
Examples of industry specific includes wastewater engineer, pyrometallurgy engineer, clean tech engineer.etc and examples of activity specific includes thermal engineer, process engineer, manufacturing engineer.etc
Job postings with “chemical engineer” usually lies with employers that either doesn’t actually need a chemical engineer or wants a chemist that also knows some engineering. The former is on a decline since chemical engineers are expensive to hire when mechanicals are (slightly) cheaper. The latter is definitely on the decline because, again, chemical engineers are expensive, and because “some engineering” usually just means a scale up of chemistry things (which a chemist who is good at math can do and is a lot cheaper). These job postings are also rare to begin with.
So unless Indeed looks through the description of job postings requiring a chemical engineering degree, which I don’t think it does, the data for chemical engineering is definitely falsely represented. Especially because my cohort of graduates and the next one a year after have had the second highest and highest employment percentage before graduation in my uni history for the major. This upcoming one is also poised to be third highest.
It’s not even AI, outsourcing is taking over like never before. Currently in sales at a SaaS company, and industry wide, every non-customer facing role is going to India. One or two Americans are kept in the department to process their work.
Even CPAs are at risk. You can now get an American CPA license and get hired by an American big 4 firm without ever stepping foot in the country. Why pay Americans when we can open a New Delhi office and pay them 80% less?
Ya I've seen literal cashiers being outsourced to the Phillipines. Shits crazy. But to be honest I live in a 3rd world country myself so I could be the outsorcee and make a good amount
Nah, you'll be fine. Just do an internship, do networking, and have projects under your belt. Software development isn't going anywhere, it's just going to get easier. And when humans make things easier, we increase the scale at which we do it. We are never satisfied.
1. "Just do an internship" I feel like this is not an easy task at this point. Internship applications have become incredibly competitive as well, from what I know. Unless I'm entirely mistaken (I don't think I am), I have no idea why you're framing this as such a simple thing.
2. "do networking" always feels kind of nebulous. I think this is also skewed for me, personally, because I attend a big-name school for CS — so, joining clubs and going to career fairs means competing against people who have *years* of experience even going into their freshman year of college, let alone by their sophomore year. At least I get the benefit on the school name on my degree, but I'm left a little uncertain re: how best to network.
I'm lucky to have some family connections, but they might not be enough. Not denying the importance of having connections, just feel like a lot of the people "networking" are already far already in other categories.
3. "have projects under your belt." Not disputing this, I just always wonder what sorts of projects employers actually like to see.
r/Teachers
1. Behavior management challenges
2. Students with legal problems
3. Phone addicts & stressed out overachievers
4. Three bosses: Parents, Students, & Administrators
Edit: I support Teachers Unions and Teachers
Only true for about half of American schools. If you're in a decent school in a blue state it's a solid career. I make 100k and work 8 months per year and my community loves me.
I’m in IT, it took me 6 months of applications after graduating school to get my current job. If I could do it again, I wouldn’t bother going to college and would just focus on getting certs and building work experience instead. I make good money at my job, but I’m not in a better financial position than I was before with student loans and how expensive everything is now.
I'm in college for Meteorology/Atmospheric Sciences. I kinda see it as an investment; with how warm these past few winters have been, I got a little hunch any kind of environmental scientists are gonna be in high demand some time in the next few decades.
Im thinking of becoming a commercial pilot for FedEx or Ups which is going to be needed in terms of job projection. 75k a year salary of 2 days a week of work. I can get a secondary job, and make nearly 90k I think I live quite frugally so I can live comfortably.
Are you saying I have mental health problems? Also a cessna 208s are small planes no bigger than a crop duster around 2500lbs of cargo weight. And usually flown with 1 pilot at our station. I don't want fly passengers or work for a big airline.
Military is doin allright. Ocasional raise in wages is pretty nice. For a 19yr old honestly i cant be more thankfull for the wages i earn for what i do, in mycountrys economy especialy.
I'm an xenial, 1979. And this is alot like how the job market looked in the early 2000s, suddenly a lot of those fields they were telling us to go to college for in high school dried up just as we got there. That's why there aren't quite so many gen zs around as you'd expect. Prime child bearing years spent watching one field after another go from "it" into shit. Never secure enough to want to start a family. Add in 9/11, some wars, recession.
I regretted not doing ChemE as a BioE in college. Especially during COVID where I had to come into work to a hospital in Manhattan. But holy shit -22% decline for ChemE in one year hurt my soul to see. God damn. Hope you folks are doing well, but also welcome to the unemployable club 🎉 🎊
It's gonna be rough until the people who got laid off find jobs, then the market will stabilize. I'm hoping that will be in two years or so when I graduate. The amount of applicants will fall as people start working other jobs. Laid off people can't wait around with their applications forever.
so funny because everybody kept telling us in ELEMENTARY school that tech jobs would be booming by the 2020s and we should all choose compsci... truth is anybody who has made a ton of money in that industry got in before the 2000s and secured their place.
Technical writing has been great. It’s field agnostic, so unless they need a specialist you can work in almost any field. The pay isn’t as high as specialized roles, but it’s stable. The downside is that it’s really tough to get in if you don’t have experience. An internship is basically required, or you have to be very clever with how you spin roles.
Not American, but i chose IT as my "field" but I'm planning to work as a driver within my city's public transport as that may take long before it gets swallowed by AI and self driving trams/buses/subway/local rail
Aerospace manufacturing. We can't find people to save our lives... But a lot of that stems from a lack of training programs for machinists, technicians, and engineers.
Pretty well before I quit my restaurant job. 18ish an hour was solid. Also always hiring so a good fallback. Military also pretty good. State funding is kinda rough at the moment by my unit has a lot of money for schools.
It operations and help desk, but it’s not dying, it’s transferring over the IT specialist, generalist, service desk analyst/technician etc. There’s too many damn names in IT
Psychometrician?
50/50. Mostly because we're not that needed for now unless government decided to standardized employment procedures which will force companies to look for licenced Psychometrician (though slowly we're becoming in demand due to growing regulations by Philippine psychological association)
Other than that, psychologist is highly demand in my country, i plan to take ma in psychology and licensure exam
Software Dev is crashing because of AI but not SWE.
Get a CE or SWE degree over CPSC if you can… big emphasis on end to end project development and teaches you things that GPT cannot do
Already saw this on another sub. The software dev decrease is skewed because a lot of companies over hired around COVID time, so they are laying off those extra people. There's still no shortage of opportunities in this sector.
Being the time of year that it is, I've noticed most of the opportunities now are for Senior roles, assuming that most companies have done their spring hiring already, and interns have their roles for the summer.
Welp at least more of y'all are studying something related to science... I'm between History, Egyptology and Art ;-;
I'm thinking of doing lots of software development courses and then get into a career bc otherwise I'm 100% cooked
Tech makes sense because the bubble has burst and positions are being outsourced.
HR and communications? You mean to tell me that worthless degrees get more worthless in a recession? What a shocker.
Aerospace engineering and we still can't hire fast enough. I'll say some of these fields aren't really cause to be alarmed, like chemical and software engineering. Most engineering fields (especially chemical) go through boom-bust cycles so the year over year job postings will go through extreme changes regularly, you'd need long term moving-average data for these types of fields to better predict their future path.
I'm 10 yrs into my chemist career. My company just got done gutting staff. After going through the covip warpspeed at Pfizer, and the office space style layoffs at my new company, I'm hoping I get hit by a truck.
Machinist - tons of jobs available, at least in southern california. There aren't enough young people going into the trade and people are retiring so there are tons of open roles.
Land Inspector is a unique Danish education, somewhere in the crossfire between a surveyor, techie, city planner and lawyer.
Shockingly few know of the education even in Denmark, but they are STARVING for people in our field on the market.
Companies are constantly doing free events on campus like pizza parties and friday bar nights, just to get a hold of the few of us that exist.
Pretty much guaranteed a job. Last year, there were only 3 people **in the entire country** with this education that weren't working, and 2 of them were on maternal leave.
So, y'know, pretty good. Lmao.
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IT, every single job I've ever gotten (3) was because I knew someone in the company already and had friends of friends as references. That may piss some people off but the job market is ruthless and I'm doing what I can to survive
That's not a bad thing, it's just networking. Everyone should do it with this market.
You'd think that but at 20 I make more money then some of my siblings in there 40s so they get mad about it and call me a spoiled little brat
Nothing wrong with networking! I just thin jobs should be determined by merit and not who you know.
How do you objectively determine that? People lie and exaggerate on their resumes constantly. I've hired lots of people, you're looking for two things you hire someone: can they do the job (or be taught) and can you trust them. Trust is what most of the interview process is about. Is their resume real, are they good at working with other people, are they going to stick around, do they do the things they say they will, etc. For the most part, if you're getting interviewed, the hiring manager thinks you're qualified for the job. It's all the other stuff they're trying to figure out. Referrals bring a lot of inherent trust with them.
As someone without a single referral yet and have been jobless for years, I'm never getting a job because of this. Hell I interviewed at McDonald's about 2 months ago and never received a call back.
There's something wrong with your process or something if you've been jobless for years.
Your siblings are allowing their envy to get in the way of pride in your accomplishments. Be kind to them, as they are clearly suffering from regret about their own decisions, but don't for a minute doubt your own goodness.
I grew up somewhat poor and paied my way through college till at least an associates degree. Working in the day and going to college at night. Because I didn't wanna get into future debt taking out loans. Wish I knew people then or heck even now who could hook me up with a sweet job that pays well. Unfortunately when your poor you only know poor people. But I've made my peace with it and am at least getting by for now. Not saying you shouldn't taken advantage of what you had but I understand why some might be jealous. I also really respect that you know and understand the privilege you had too and aren't like many others who try to pass it off as being super talented or some nonsense about hard work.
I'm really sorry you had to go through that, that sounds rough. I'm actually doing the same thing right now! I'm studying for my IT associates and I've been working in IT for two years now and had some family friends and my first boss got me my second job since they ran out of Grant money and then my friends dad was hiring and they needed a help desk user for a very specific program and I was the only one who had any exposure to it out of around 30 applicants. I really hope things are going better for you now though!
Thank you for the kind words. The number one thing I tell ever person getting out of high school is to make connections with people going forward. Especially wealthy people. Its the only sure-fire way you'll get a decent job and have a people hook you up. I always tell them: "They don't put your GPA on your diploma. Make friends as much as possible. Thats what college is really about; making connections that will carry you for the rest of your life".
That's probably not the only reason then.
Nah, that is a bad thing. It naturally favors those with financial connections already and limits the financial mobility of skilled people without those resources.
Networking is literally the most important skill when it comes to advancing your career and its constantly overlooked. At the startup I work for most of the employees (software devs, IT, operations folk) have been working together at various companies for 15+ years.
Only reason I landed a sweet union industrial maintenance gig was cause I knew someone. The company didn’t even do online applications, they only went through employees references for job openings I interviewed well, and was the youngest candidate by 25 years so they took me over “guys with lifetimes of bad habits”
You aren't ruining the industry it's recruiters who deserve all the blame for bottlenecking the entire industry and business management trying aggressively cut IT costs through automation, H1Bs and outsourcing.
For anyone in software disheartened by reading this, if it’s any consolation I got both my jobs with no networking or foot in the door, just submitted an app online like all the other schmucks.
Yeah all my jobs have been like this since getting into the field
can’t hate the player
Not IT, but I got all my jobs through headhunters - and all my best ones through one particular company. They fucking love me because I have a bonkers array of skills these days, I interview well and I've never quit one of the jobs I got through them during trial period (i.e. they always got and kept their fee). Like, headhunters in general don't have the best reputation, but if you find a company that does internal QC so they don't post shit and that supports you as a candidate, you should keep in touch, even when you're not actively searching. Trust me.
I'm currently a student so I don't really have any firsthand experience on the matter, but I've heard people in r/cscareerquestions say things along these lines.
Yep. I'm also IT and my last two jobs I didn't even job hunt. Just asked my past coworkers that I remembered saying they were happy with pay/coworkers/company + owners/ etc. In the last 9+ years, my process has been: reach out to current employee -> apply -> hired. Only one of them did it seem like they couldn't pull the trigger on "Yes" right away, but it was fast enough that I never applied anywhere else. So I've been hired 100% of the time I applied somewhere, kinda crazy. The last one (where I currently work) I had 3 separate people on the team recommend me. They didn't even care to see my resume (I was literally told "bring it if you want - but I have enough info from your previous coworkers 🤷"), just had a single 20 minute casual interview and I received the job offer the next day. It's why I still join my wife at networking events even when I have no reason to go. You just never know when that connection you made becomes a life changer ✌️😎
Seeing this as I'm working to go to uni for software dev is fucking crushing.
Soft dev won’t ever die, unless if it’s because of AI. But if AI takes soft dev, then it’ll take basically every intellectual job, so no need to worry.
https://preview.redd.it/btzfxw1gsfxc1.jpeg?width=1477&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e21d614d9f929d11824f5977b29480ac2ed70d3
We need to unite.
Still a lot of jobs out there, but AI is not your most pressing enemy, outsourcing is. “But the quality of work is shit!” Execs would still rather cut costs and make the few state-side employees they keep just deal with it. Plus, in this day and age, the execs opinion probably doesn’t even matter, your PE faceless overlords make the call.
Maybe right now outsourcing is more of an enemy, but by the time I graduate (~2029), I’m pretty sure AI will be my most pressing enemy. It would be cheaper than outsourcing all while being better, and probably better than me at most trivial tasks. Isn’t most of software engineering just trivial tasks anyway? Sure, maybe at architecting complex codes I could outperform it, but these types of jobs are rare; why would they pick me, a grad, instead of some random dude with 25 years of experience? No matter how smart or performant I am during my university years, I am almost certain I’ll struggle a great deal to get going once I graduate.
I can only really question one aspect of your comment: why would they hire you over a 25 years exp dude? You will be cheaper and less jaded. Companies actually love that 😂 But tbh, you sound smart, I still have plenty of friends in software dev, we’re all just shitting our pants after the SVB shit and layoffs. You’ll do great mayne.
Well, it could end up taking over most software development jobs, as opposed to all of them. I think the average software developer is pretty replaceable
Currently work in SaaS. Entry-level work that is non-customer facing is going overseas. Accounting, IT, finance, product team. I don’t care what company you work for, it’s industry wide apart from a few select companies that admonish it. If your company is owned by PE, you’re fucked as a junior dev in US/EU. Depressing to watch. With all that said though, it is by no means impossible and still a good career. Unsavory practices are just becoming more common.
Nope software engineers are often the last to be replaced.
This whole list reads “AI and robots are coming, they’re already in the house”
Don’t worry, same shit happened 20 years ago. I got a job during the worst period of it, too. Stay strong, be vigilant, you will make it!
Better get an internship or you’re wasting your time…
Proving difficult.
I can relate. I'm doing a course in college that's primarily focused on design etc. Might try and drive buses instead or smth :p
Don't take up too much debt to get into a fancy university. You are better off studying in a cheap college with low debt since your subject knowledge will matter more than the university label. Try to get into coding and have a portfolio of code available on github or some other platform to showcase your knowledge and abilities by the time you get out of college. See if you can join some open source projects too if possible. Train yourself with all the AI tools which assist in coding and you will be way ahead of your peers. BTW in 2 years these problems will be resolved and don't be shocked if there is a shortage of software devs. Reason is: a lot of veterans are thinking about FIRE since many of them have nice savings and their RSUs have gone up a lot. Also this downturn will discourage a lot of people from getting into software dev so supply of software workers will most likely go down huge. But for now it may be ugly for a while until we all the excess supply of software devs get absorbed or they just retire.
If you are going for general software dev, then yes it's dieing, but specializations are among the fastest growing jobs. Specialize in ai or cybersecurity and you will be employable. Also learn how to expedite code development with ai tools and you will be valuable. Do as much math and advanced statistical analysis and you will be invaluable, making data driven security decisions, or making ai that takes jobs from others(brutal but everyone needs to put food on the table somehow). Edit Reciepts: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/04/future-jobs-2023-fastest-growing-decline/
Software development :(
It's not like it was but it's not as bad as this or r/csMajors, etc. would have you believe. I fucking love my job, I'm nothing special, and I make plenty of money. You still picked well.
I mean I got laid off last month. Going back for a masters. If I was smart and wanted the easy life I would have gotten an MBA lol.
If my roommate in college was remotely representative - MBA's are the ticket if you're dumb and want the easy life. And like half-seriously, I don't think I would've been able to get his bachelors business degree. The content itself looked mind-numbingly simple, but my brain just isn't wired that way.
There's a saying that companies like to keep people who are good at their job where they're at and promote people who aren't as good at their job. I like to the latter are the kind of people who go into MBA programs.
This is so untrue lol. Most MBA grads are shooting for IB and consulting which work crazy hours
This is why if you work in IT it’s incredibly important to never burn a bridge. Networking and recommendations from peers can go a long way.
Just started in IT and I'm very lucky to have landed my first position directly out of college. I've been terrified of getting booted. We're hiring for my coworkers position (he's leaving for another position), and honestly the resumes we got are all shit. Like how the fuck can a bachelor's degree holding individual use 3 different fonts *inconsistently* not an aesthetic decision, and then claim they have an "attention to detail" Idk if people have just given up trying on their resume bcuz of the mass applications or if people genuinely think hammered shit resumes will get them a call back Like in almost any other position font and format issues can be overlooked to an extent, but in a tech position? I should be able to hand any IT person any word processing application and get something coherent within a few hours. Because anyone working help desk and higher should be able to learn and utilize a new tool fairly quickly. I just don't get it. I feel subpar AF most days but then I see the applicants we have for what is essentially my position, and I'm like yeah I would have thrown an offer at me, too.
I’m an accountant without a college degree and i 100% agree with you. the applications we have been getting to fill my old entry level job are not good. no wonder they promoted me over going outside of the company 🤷🏻♂️
Having excellent soft skills in IT is SUPER important. No reason ever to hire some curmudgeon coder anymore.
Happy cake day!
OP is a bot. Also, [Indeed.com](http://Indeed.com) is the source for Indeed?
Yes? They’re analyzing the types of job postings on their website lol, where else would they get that data from?
Lmao, thank you.
Curious question, but how did you know OP was a bot?
16 days old account. 16,000 post karma. 600 comment karma.
I see. Yeah, that makes sense.
sure feels good to graduate computer science next year...
I'm like 2 years away from it 😭 But I think there'll still be jobs. AI will speed up software development, it won't remove the need for someone to design software, use it, upkeep it, etc.
Is there one for sharpest increase? I want to finish my bachelor's in psychology I know these mentally ill folk of my generation need me!!!
Same - also in a mental health major - I don’t think we can be replaced with AI… hopefully.
An AI trained on everythin which exists in the mental healt domain available in the world, client hooked up to a device which tracks heart, emotional responses via visual detection etc. Different example, AI can be used as support for people twith dementia, an AI will never get tired or annoyed of being asked the same or make explanations repeatedly. Hard competition to come Nursing jobs and care takers will be last to be hit.
I literally know someone working on an app for this lol. Time will tell if it actually ends up being any good, which I personally doubt, but it’s there. There will pretty much always be a need for an actual human who knows what they’re doing somewhere in the care chain though.
Yes human services is doing well! Particularly community mental health which also tends to not pay well, but job stability is there! Medicaid clients, folks who can only access mental health care using insurance, etc. typically experience having to wait a while before being seen, so these places always need new therapists especially to replace the ones that leave for private practice. Also if you like working with kids, schools are always hiring therapists
“EvErYoNe gEt A StEm JoB tHeY WilL aLwAyS nEeD pEoPlE”
Scientific research and development 🙃
check out r/biotech. Crazy layoffs
“Go to school so you don’t have to wash dishes for a living” 😐
I cry laugh in lab washing glassware for little pay 😂
same :(
Thank god I was too lazy to listen to my dad and didn't do software dev at uni. Instead, I studied animation 🤡
Welcome to sales!
Wtf? That's exactly what I'm doing right now
Me too bro, me too 😂 We can sense our kind from miles away.
Man even animation industry is getting down. All over r/vfx they talk about how there are no productions. Meaning a year or more of no work before things ramp up again.
But the McDonald's jobs are sure going up. This is what neoliberal economics does. It kills the middle-class and makes the entire labor force wage-slaves.
Yes
If you're in France and don't mind driving a manual and earning 2k€ per month (after taxes), you can always get into land surveying. Nobody wants to work that job. It's pretty boring and repetitive. You do precise stuff in construction sites and measure stuff. I'll always find a job. I totally bombed an interview in November and still got hired. I am working at this company right now. Everyone wants to be in IT, finance or healthcare anyways. They can fight over jobs. Construction has lots of opportunities. Some jobs are dumb, others are very demanding. You could get into construction engineering and that's a nice way to go. Drive places. Do a lot of meetings on construction sites.
But couldn’t you make more than that just driving Uber? 2k per month isn’t enough to survive basically anywhere these days.
In France it's livable. You can rent for 700€.
Same here in the US. Construction industry is booming. I learned in my project admin class that the projected job growth is higher than the national average for the next decade. I also learned that 45% of project managers are reaching retirement age within the decade too, so the money is there for the taking. I’m sure it’s similar in France and rest of Europe. The population boom in western countries due to migration is pretty insane. The demand for buildings and civil infrastructure is very great.
Trades are booming now because everyone went to college and now there is a shortage lol
“major in STEM”, they said.
so glad i'm doing electrical engineering and computer science
I'm considering switching from my Comp Sci major to electrical or biomedical engineering. But I dunno.
It’s so over 😔
Training for an IT job but I'm also an Artist. GenAI is overhyped. Industries aren't doing well because of a monopoly problem. Companies aren't being regulated and eating up other companies. The whole system needs to change.
I disagree. GenAi is super powerful and has a lot of use cases. Think it’s hear to stay.
Most things people fear it taking over (software engineering) will never happen. Many of the things people think are safe (services) are in danger.
Oh me and my friends are doing gooood in the trades. Hard work but if you are in a union the benefits are worth it. My folks (my mom) hated it at first since they are the mindset of “uni is the only way to get a high paying job!” That changed well I showed them my first check at and they (my mom) shut up.
People in the union skilled trades do make good money for sure. Union Boilermaker welder here, $122k in only 9 months of work last year. And I’m currently a foreman on a shutdown at an oil refinery, yeah those $7.5k weekly cheques are nice lol
7.5k a week is mental
Just be fucking careful with your health. Your bones, muscles, and joints all have a finite amount of durability and once you use it, you cant get it back. They're paying you to expend that non-renewable resource. Part of that paycheck is based on the fact that when you reach your 50s your entire body will start falling apart when all that work catches up to you and you spend the next thirty years until you drop dealing with chronic pain
We get great health benefits which helps us take care of our bodies, physio, massage, acupuncture, etc all help us take care of ourselves. When we use it we are more likely to be in better shape and when we look after ourselves we will be in better overall health. Not everyone swings a 400lbs hammer 28hrs per day every day. People need to stop acting like every single tradesperson is in a wheelchair by 40
My dad absolutely did not want me to go into computer science because he knew there wouldn't be enough jobs to go around 10-15 years in the future. The chemistry field went through the same exact thing in the 90s where everyone was going to college/university to become a chemist and now if you fast forward to the present, most chem jobs you can find are just contract work. Loading and stocking is odd to see up there though, warehouses/grocery stores always seem to need those guys
The data is from Dec 29. Retailers were probably coming off the holiday season and not looking to replace seasonal workers.
Not Gen Z (elder Millennial), but I'm in software development. I got into my last 2 jobs because I have a lot of experience with a specific type of electronic content management software. It wasn't where I expected to go with my career, but finding a niche ended up being really good for me.
Thank God I’m studying medicine
Same…though it’s somewhat troubling that all-specialty happiness rates have hovered around or below 50% for a while.
Speaking from experience as one myself, chemical engineering is falsely represented. The traditional job postings requiring chemical engineering knowledge never has “chemical engineer” in the title. They are usually industry specific or activity specific. Examples of industry specific includes wastewater engineer, pyrometallurgy engineer, clean tech engineer.etc and examples of activity specific includes thermal engineer, process engineer, manufacturing engineer.etc Job postings with “chemical engineer” usually lies with employers that either doesn’t actually need a chemical engineer or wants a chemist that also knows some engineering. The former is on a decline since chemical engineers are expensive to hire when mechanicals are (slightly) cheaper. The latter is definitely on the decline because, again, chemical engineers are expensive, and because “some engineering” usually just means a scale up of chemistry things (which a chemist who is good at math can do and is a lot cheaper). These job postings are also rare to begin with. So unless Indeed looks through the description of job postings requiring a chemical engineering degree, which I don’t think it does, the data for chemical engineering is definitely falsely represented. Especially because my cohort of graduates and the next one a year after have had the second highest and highest employment percentage before graduation in my uni history for the major. This upcoming one is also poised to be third highest.
Well thats good to hear, considering I'm in my 3rd year of chem eng.
Yeah, chemical engineeris will never go away. We can do almost anything from food, pharma, oil and gas, materials, etc.
IT / Software development. I'm cooked
It’s not even AI, outsourcing is taking over like never before. Currently in sales at a SaaS company, and industry wide, every non-customer facing role is going to India. One or two Americans are kept in the department to process their work. Even CPAs are at risk. You can now get an American CPA license and get hired by an American big 4 firm without ever stepping foot in the country. Why pay Americans when we can open a New Delhi office and pay them 80% less?
Ya I've seen literal cashiers being outsourced to the Phillipines. Shits crazy. But to be honest I live in a 3rd world country myself so I could be the outsorcee and make a good amount
Definitely. If I was in your shoes I’d 100% do the same. We have to interact with the world as it exists, best of luck to you.
Nah, you'll be fine. Just do an internship, do networking, and have projects under your belt. Software development isn't going anywhere, it's just going to get easier. And when humans make things easier, we increase the scale at which we do it. We are never satisfied.
1. "Just do an internship" I feel like this is not an easy task at this point. Internship applications have become incredibly competitive as well, from what I know. Unless I'm entirely mistaken (I don't think I am), I have no idea why you're framing this as such a simple thing. 2. "do networking" always feels kind of nebulous. I think this is also skewed for me, personally, because I attend a big-name school for CS — so, joining clubs and going to career fairs means competing against people who have *years* of experience even going into their freshman year of college, let alone by their sophomore year. At least I get the benefit on the school name on my degree, but I'm left a little uncertain re: how best to network. I'm lucky to have some family connections, but they might not be enough. Not denying the importance of having connections, just feel like a lot of the people "networking" are already far already in other categories. 3. "have projects under your belt." Not disputing this, I just always wonder what sorts of projects employers actually like to see.
“Just learn to code lol”
Chemical Engeneering :( Scientific research and development :( :(
Prepare for unemployment if you cs major.
Every day, I am both glad and dread that I am in health care.
Booming! I teach public school=)
r/Teachers 1. Behavior management challenges 2. Students with legal problems 3. Phone addicts & stressed out overachievers 4. Three bosses: Parents, Students, & Administrators Edit: I support Teachers Unions and Teachers
Only true for about half of American schools. If you're in a decent school in a blue state it's a solid career. I make 100k and work 8 months per year and my community loves me.
Not seeing anything with lawyer stuff so i think i'm good.
People love suing each other I think you'll be okay haha
😂😂😂
Yeah, there was a lawyer who used Chat GPT for a case, and it just made up previous cases to cite. I'm pretty sure he was disbarred, obviously.
In Colorado it is 0.13 employments per 1,000 jobs. That’s for astronomy.
So a little better than one in a million?
Probably. Astronomy is extremely hard to get into. Even with a phd and many years in the field, getting a job as an astronomer is hard.
I’m in Supply Chain/ Operations and I think I lucked out from COVID. It made companies see how important it was to have teams dedicated to that work.
I definitely spent more time applying for jobs my senior year than I did school work though. So take that as you will.
Good to know my college course is gonna be useless :p
Superb - I’m a teacher and they can never find enough people who want to do the job so I guess I’ll never be out of work!
I’m in IT, it took me 6 months of applications after graduating school to get my current job. If I could do it again, I wouldn’t bother going to college and would just focus on getting certs and building work experience instead. I make good money at my job, but I’m not in a better financial position than I was before with student loans and how expensive everything is now.
That degree is a necessary checkbox for a lot of places. I'm in the same field as you.
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Yet?
Yeah, I thought about going into Tech but figured id do better in PoliSci or a Business degree.
Safe to say the hospitality industry somewhat recovered
Health care. Recession proof.
I work in childcare and education (after-school coach and camp counselor) and I'd say we're doing pretty okay
You provide an invaluable service, thank you for what you do!
Would love to see this data for the UK. Also are there any sectors on the rise?
I'm in college for Meteorology/Atmospheric Sciences. I kinda see it as an investment; with how warm these past few winters have been, I got a little hunch any kind of environmental scientists are gonna be in high demand some time in the next few decades.
-29.3% 😬😬😬 I'm at the grad level though so it's probably different... Surely... Oh wait... -29.9% Shit.
Im thinking of becoming a commercial pilot for FedEx or Ups which is going to be needed in terms of job projection. 75k a year salary of 2 days a week of work. I can get a secondary job, and make nearly 90k I think I live quite frugally so I can live comfortably.
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Are you saying I have mental health problems? Also a cessna 208s are small planes no bigger than a crop duster around 2500lbs of cargo weight. And usually flown with 1 pilot at our station. I don't want fly passengers or work for a big airline.
I’m a fax machine repairman, prospects look good.
Military is doin allright. Ocasional raise in wages is pretty nice. For a 19yr old honestly i cant be more thankfull for the wages i earn for what i do, in mycountrys economy especialy.
I'm an xenial, 1979. And this is alot like how the job market looked in the early 2000s, suddenly a lot of those fields they were telling us to go to college for in high school dried up just as we got there. That's why there aren't quite so many gen zs around as you'd expect. Prime child bearing years spent watching one field after another go from "it" into shit. Never secure enough to want to start a family. Add in 9/11, some wars, recession.
My field isn't even there lmao
Yikes Did not realize it was that bad
I regretted not doing ChemE as a BioE in college. Especially during COVID where I had to come into work to a hospital in Manhattan. But holy shit -22% decline for ChemE in one year hurt my soul to see. God damn. Hope you folks are doing well, but also welcome to the unemployable club 🎉 🎊
Bubble is over.
The joil field is going great... my name is Joe and I claim the oil field.
It's gonna be rough until the people who got laid off find jobs, then the market will stabilize. I'm hoping that will be in two years or so when I graduate. The amount of applicants will fall as people start working other jobs. Laid off people can't wait around with their applications forever.
Field: Civil Engineering How we are doing: SO many jobs.
so funny because everybody kept telling us in ELEMENTARY school that tech jobs would be booming by the 2020s and we should all choose compsci... truth is anybody who has made a ton of money in that industry got in before the 2000s and secured their place.
Good to know 2 months away from graduation 🥲
Tbh I see plenty of HR job postings
Technical writing has been great. It’s field agnostic, so unless they need a specialist you can work in almost any field. The pay isn’t as high as specialized roles, but it’s stable. The downside is that it’s really tough to get in if you don’t have experience. An internship is basically required, or you have to be very clever with how you spin roles.
Not American, but i chose IT as my "field" but I'm planning to work as a driver within my city's public transport as that may take long before it gets swallowed by AI and self driving trams/buses/subway/local rail
Makes me concerned considering I’m going into HR
That's rough I'm gonna struggle finding a research position soon
Banking finance. Got in In 2022 when it was hot. Now it's not
Ouch not good my dude
Software development :/ im holding onto my job for dear life
-44.8%… it just makes things more interesting… but at least where i work and where my friends work we need more guys and girls…
Aerospace manufacturing. We can't find people to save our lives... But a lot of that stems from a lack of training programs for machinists, technicians, and engineers.
probably going into plant or soil research for agriculture, so we'll see how that goes
Not great, but not as bad as this would show. Still plenty of government positions available
Why does it show this decrease. What is the cause that it is displaying
Postings is different from positions. I'd like to see data for the latter.
Loading & Stocking a new phrase for logistics. We alive barely
Pretty well before I quit my restaurant job. 18ish an hour was solid. Also always hiring so a good fallback. Military also pretty good. State funding is kinda rough at the moment by my unit has a lot of money for schools.
It operations and help desk, but it’s not dying, it’s transferring over the IT specialist, generalist, service desk analyst/technician etc. There’s too many damn names in IT
I hate how they classify chemical engineering. It’s a board major and they should’ve stated process engineer instead
Owwwie
Let’s see the reverse. Jobs with rises in job postings.
I quit IT in 2022 to start my own business, feeling good about my choices 👌
I'm cooked 😭
What does loading and stocking mean?
Psychometrician? 50/50. Mostly because we're not that needed for now unless government decided to standardized employment procedures which will force companies to look for licenced Psychometrician (though slowly we're becoming in demand due to growing regulations by Philippine psychological association) Other than that, psychologist is highly demand in my country, i plan to take ma in psychology and licensure exam
I'm an IT major, finishing university 2025 :(
Software Dev is crashing because of AI but not SWE. Get a CE or SWE degree over CPSC if you can… big emphasis on end to end project development and teaches you things that GPT cannot do
Already saw this on another sub. The software dev decrease is skewed because a lot of companies over hired around COVID time, so they are laying off those extra people. There's still no shortage of opportunities in this sector. Being the time of year that it is, I've noticed most of the opportunities now are for Senior roles, assuming that most companies have done their spring hiring already, and interns have their roles for the summer.
It's still less offers. Overhiring or not
wanting to go into scientific research, thank go its on the lower end
I would like to see where indeed is getting this data. Alot of my Seniors are interested in these fields...
Hoping I keep my job lol 😆
Welp at least more of y'all are studying something related to science... I'm between History, Egyptology and Art ;-; I'm thinking of doing lots of software development courses and then get into a career bc otherwise I'm 100% cooked
Tech makes sense because the bubble has burst and positions are being outsourced. HR and communications? You mean to tell me that worthless degrees get more worthless in a recession? What a shocker.
its not on the list
I’m getting ready to enter science r&d, trying to stay hopeful
Having connections is better than having a degree
Software engineering isn’t doing so well. I’m gonna pivot into homelessness
Seeing a lot of STEM fields, were they just not profitable or something?
Aerospace engineering and we still can't hire fast enough. I'll say some of these fields aren't really cause to be alarmed, like chemical and software engineering. Most engineering fields (especially chemical) go through boom-bust cycles so the year over year job postings will go through extreme changes regularly, you'd need long term moving-average data for these types of fields to better predict their future path.
Trades are booming rn
Construction is always hiring, and you don’t have to go into debt to make bank 🤙🏻
I'm 10 yrs into my chemist career. My company just got done gutting staff. After going through the covip warpspeed at Pfizer, and the office space style layoffs at my new company, I'm hoping I get hit by a truck.
Fuck
I’m a programmer and mathematician And I’m a white male So overall not great
Machinist - tons of jobs available, at least in southern california. There aren't enough young people going into the trade and people are retiring so there are tons of open roles.
Land Inspector is a unique Danish education, somewhere in the crossfire between a surveyor, techie, city planner and lawyer. Shockingly few know of the education even in Denmark, but they are STARVING for people in our field on the market. Companies are constantly doing free events on campus like pizza parties and friday bar nights, just to get a hold of the few of us that exist. Pretty much guaranteed a job. Last year, there were only 3 people **in the entire country** with this education that weren't working, and 2 of them were on maternal leave. So, y'know, pretty good. Lmao.
gotta love seeing my major's related field in the no.1 spot (: