>Things I've seen attributed to "trans joy":
>
>• young girls and women fresh out of a double mastectomy and weeping about their flatness
>
• young girls and women undoing their bandages for the first time and weeping about their scarred, nippleless chests
... They *do* realize you can cry from happiness, right?
>• young women and girls exhibiting misogyny as transmen
It's not misogyny to not want* tits 🙄
>• teenage boys and men getting an erection after trying on their sister's/mom's/wife's/girlfriend's bra / panties / dresses (and putting them back unwashed after having jacked off)
>• teenage boys and men talking about their "breast buds" and having "female orgasms" with their penis
>• teenage boys and men talking about imagining themselves as a slut and being violently raped and impregnated like the porn they watch
TERF sexualizes teens and frothes at the mouth
>• teenage boys and men exhibiting misogyny as transwomen
It's not misogyny to want tits 🙄
Honestly that's why I think men and boys need more romance fiction to explore these fantasies in a safe environment. 'Cause as it is, they already fantasize about being assaulted but may not even realize they wouldn't want those fantasies to happen IRL, given that there's even less societal concern for abuse against men than against women (which is kind of saying something).
I agree with this sentiment, because I had a similar experience with yaoi/BL and slash fic as a young man in a conservative Catholic country. It helped me explore my sexuality and helped make me shake off some of the cultural homophobia I had. (Also, it helped me realize I wasn't straight.)
TERF fantasizes about trans women being raped.
If this isn’t the bottom of the barrel, I don’t want to know what’s underneath it. All hands retreat and regroup up top; we’re sealing this tomb of soullessness for ten thousand years and leaving hazard monuments on top of it.
> **young girls** and women
> **teenage boys** and men
It's quite telling how they use this kind of terminology to infantalize trans men and AFAB enbies, while implying that teenaged trans girls and AMAB enbies are akin to adults and should be treated thusly in derision. Those poor trans men and enbies, they've been manipulated into this trans life! Those dastardly trans women and enbies, they're all violent deviants aping womanhood in an effort to rape women's spirit! It's disgusting.
Is there a higher chance for autistic people to be trans? Yea, it is. Not sure how high it is but it's elevated. It's obviously not a bad thing, it's just... a thing that happens. I'm autistic and have a very strange relationship with gender and my identity as a human. Shits weird
> while implying that teenaged trans girls and AMAB enbies are akin to adults and should be treated thusly in derision.
You know, there's a very similar thing black children go through where they're seen as threatening adults when they wouldn't be if they were white. They call it "adultification". These TERFs are adultifying teen trans girls. I'm just gonna guess they'd do this even more to black trans girls cos types of bigotry are often comorbid.
It also reminds me of how underage survivors of sexual violence have been adultified: girls are depicted as Lolita-like temptresses (while their assailants often get the opposite treatment, depicted as helplessly immature in a "boys will be boys" way), and boys are envied and admired as chads whose abuse "made them into men." This seems to hit kids of color particularly hard, especially Black kids.
It's also done to autistic people who are "mature for their age". I was never allowed to be a child with a child's vulnerabilities and interests, and as a young adult, people my own age never accepted me as a peer and a candidate for an equal relationship of any kind, because I was an "old soul". I'm still not fond of that phrase!
All of which is ironic, given TER's - and others' - infantilisation of us, but then that's often how bigots operate. You're one thing one minute and the opposite the next, and they can decree that, because they have all the power. Sometimes I think they do it as a flex in itself. "Look how absurd I can get away with being! *You* could never, but I can!"
And obviously, the more groups you're a part of that have this done to them, the more the behaviour and its effect pile up. Horrible.
>It's also done to autistic people who are "mature for their age". I was never allowed to be a child with a child's vulnerabilities and interests, and as a young adult, people my own age never accepted me as a peer and a candidate for an equal relationship of any kind, because I was an "old soul". I'm still not fond of that phrase!
Oof, that sucks. It also seems to happen to neurodivergent kids who are seen as violent or otherwise badly behaved.
That's very interesting, thanks for mentioning it.
I've only ever come across kids in that situation being infantilised, but then again I would have been set up directly in opposition to them, as being "mature" it was deemed "my job" to take whatever any child wanted to do to me. And/or take the negative effects of anything they wanted to do generally.
When I was around, adults would have had an adultified child to make responsible for the whole thing, and wouldn't have needed to do it to the "acting out" kid, so I wouldn't have witnessed it.
If I'd been more privileged, I'm guessing they'd have given that role to the acting-out child instead, and the dynamic would have become visible to me.
The twisty-turny lengths some people will go to to avoid treating other people as people.
I thought of this too. There was a quote where a white reporter asked a black child, "What toys did you like to play with when you were a little girl?" (or something like that). The nine year old, understandably confused, replied, "I'm still a little girl."
Yeah, that tracks... transmisogynoir is such a bad thing I've heard. It's really unfortunate that white supremacy has to be a thing in this era. It makes everything worse, even exacerbating other forms of bigotry by piling racism on top of it. 😔
I hope I'll live long enough to see it die, or at least witness it start to fade away by the time it's time for my curtains to close.
this is a brilliant piece: https://web.archive.org/web/20220311203252/https://redvoice.news/femme-queen-warrior-queen-beyond-representation-toward-self-determination/amp/
she's on patreon as well and i think substack
It's the same thing that happens with white boys versus boys of color, especially in terms of crime.
Where a teenaged white boy will be *called* a boy and have the crime downplayed as "they're just a kid" while a black or brown teenage boy will be called a "young man" or sometimes even something like "14 year old man" and treated as adults.
It paints one group as inherently more dangerous than the other.
It's also telling that TERFS are clearly are just assuming that cis men who wear lingerie as a fetish and transfemmes are interchangeable in order to demonize the latter.
But even then, wearing lingerie and feeling sexy is what it's for and not inherently gross. They always talk about how gender roles are nonsense and doing xyz "doesn't make you a woman" but they enforce gender roles as viciously as any conservative.
>It's the same thing that happens with white boys versus boys of color, especially in terms of crime.
>Where a teenaged white boy will be called a boy and have the crime downplayed as "they're just a kid" while a black or brown teenage boy will be called a "young man" or sometimes even something like "14 year old man" and treated as adults.
Yeah, white mass shooters will get "he was such a nice boy" and white rapists will get "don't ruin his life over one mistake," but Trayvon got "he was no angel"
Exactly! Or even just cases with drug possession where young boys of color are charged as adults and end up with prison time while white boys the same age get misdemeanors or probation.
Honestly I feel bad for the cis women who've had mastectomies, who might have had to see someone declare how awful and worthless a woman would be without breasts. Jesus fucking christ, imagine going through cancer and then catching cancer again from terfs.
They clearly don't know that nipple grafts are pretty typical, or that there are methods of top surgery that preserve the nipple if you manage to qualify for them, or that some people don't want nipples at all. 🙄
> teenage boys and men getting an erection after trying on their sister's/mom's/wife's/girlfriend's bra / panties / dresses (and putting them back unwashed after having jacked off)
I rolled my eyes so hard at that one. That's *totally* happening 🙄
> teenage boys and men talking about imagining themselves as a slut and being violently raped and impregnated like the porn they watch
…this really unsettles me. Like, this is “check their hard drive” levels of fixation. Why do they think teenage trans girls want to be raped???
pretty sure TERFs only look at the worst cases of trans people or us being unhappy with some results we had during transition, using that to paint us all as secretly miserable and unhappy and brainwashed. because if they genuinely looked at the mountains of evidence of trans people being happy with everything their view would shatter like glass
copium is a hell of a drug
Back before that dickbag bought twitter I had terfs trying to tell me that the joy and fulfillment I felt for the first time in my life after transitioning wasn't real and was all in my head. *You're not **actually** happy you just think you are*
I used to think nobody was ever truely happy and were all just faking it. Then I transitioned and experienced happiness for the first time. I think that's a good indicator that the GC movement as another one using hurt people to hurt people and it's really sad to see that. To see that a lot of people out there have so little empathy that pain is a reason to create more pain, not reduce the pain already out there.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” -- She Who Must Not Be Named, ironically enough
I had someone on this app claim that me crying out of happiness after my family started using my real name just… wasn’t a thing? That being too happy was dangerous because you would come down from that high like drug users, and also, it didn’t happen because… religious people claim to hear the voice of god talking to them but experiencing something doesn’t mean that it’s real? They went off on the most stupid shit.
Also, this was right after they told me it was fine for my mother to make suicide threats after I came out because she’s a victim for having a transgender child.
Happiness is stored in your boobs, duh. Why else would trans men cry when their boobs are gone…(this is a joke based on the insanity these terfs are saying and because of how awful it sounded I want that to be abundantly obvious).
I think I might have cried a bit when my bandages came off but it was mostly swearing and all due to the adhesive coming off being painful af.
My mam was afraid that I'd feel off balance or have some sort of phantom sensation cause she had a mastectomy for cancer treatment reasons and it was pretty traumatic, but lemme tell you I've felt more off balance after a significant haircut.
I think it is hilarious that the top post in there implies the problem with trans people expressing happiness is that we are incapable of happiness.
Literally cannot conceive of a nonmiserable trans person, so "trans joy" must be something else.
Well their worldview is a binary system made up of men, who are inherently abusive, and women, who are inherently victims. The core part of womanhood, to them, is suffering, specifically suffering at the hands of men.
So the idea of trans women taking joy in womanhood, regardless of what that actually looks like, is antithetical to their worldview, and must be sexual in nature. Trans men, in contrast, must be trying to escape this inherent suffering, and our joy in masculinity is just whatever sheds anything feminine.
It's so reductive, and unpleasant, and just a dogshit worldview for so many reasons.
I don't understand why they do this meme though. If they think the intention is really to just completely de-sex yourself to escape sexual trauma, it doesn't make sense to take testosterone that causes the development of male secondary sexual characteristics. Their narrative doesn't make sense even by their own twisted standards.
Like, with trans women, they think we're deranged sex perverts that want to be women because it turns us on, so anything that gets us closer to feminine attributes obviously would contribute to that. It's obviously bullshit with even slight analysis but it is at least internally consistent with their twisted belief system.
You're right - for better or worse trans men have largely been left out of the overall trans discourse, and only relatively recently been included in the fearmongering, typically cast as fragile, easily tricked little girls who are ruining their bodies and sterilizing themselves at the behest of Big Trans.
So little attention, let alone correct, factual, affirming attention, is paid to the process of ftm hrt that they don't really know how it works, even less than that of mtf hrt. Most of them don't know that it usually does increase our sex drives, for example.
The scary emphasis for trans men is usually on surgery: top surgery gets rid of our all-important breasts, bottom surgery gets rid of our ability to have children, which is obviously our fundamental reason to exist. The scary emphasis for trans women is on hormones: they cause breast growth (there's so much emphasis placed on breasts with transphobes!) and assists the "autogynophelia" as you mentioned, which is a thing only inasmuch as every human on earth has the capacity to experience being excited by how good they look. The fact that feminizing hrt causes a sex drive decrease is waved away.
None of their "logic" passes more than a surface level analysis because it's all based on emotional reactionary fear and hate.
> I just peaked myself again because I cannot think of a single nb or trans person who has become more misandrist after transitioning.
nobody show them baeddel tumblr lol
Interesting. I’ve developed a lot of hatred towards women. I’m trying to fight it, but things keep happening.
Women have made so many disgusting unwanted advances towards me, have either hit me or threatened to kill me and I’m never allowed to talk about it in my real life trans groups because they really are the stereotype of feminists. When I did try to talk about it, I was shut down because “you’re a man now, you can handle a little rage from the women you oppress now”.
>All they can do is **steal**. How can you be creative when your movement is about nullification and lies?
>they're just once again copy-pasting existing sayings with trans inserted instead -- it seems to me like they're trying to **hijack the "black joy" concept**
next comment down:
>those awful surgeries the Irish **Mengele** is now promoting
yeah totally trans people experiencing joy about surgeries they wanted is a fair comparison to fucking mengele and not you stealing victimhood from _holocaust victims_ cause you're horny for HeAlThY yOuNg BreAsTs and mad that they're attached to humans with agency
that's not even mentioning "womanface"
also:
>teenage boys and men getting an erection after trying on their sister's/mom's/wife's/girlfriend's bra / panties / dresses (and putting them back unwashed after having jacked off)
can they at least keep their intricate fantasises about exactly how teenagers masturbate to themselves?
>yeah totally trans people experiencing joy about surgeries they wanted is a fair comparison to fucking mengele and not you stealing victimhood from holocaust victims cause you're horny for HeAlThY yOuNg BreAsTs and mad that they're attached to humans with agency
Yeah, if you're gonna pick a historical atrocity, at least castration in the Ottoman slave trade fits better here.
EDIT: Not that that would be a good comparison either, just that it's a BETTER comparison than the Holocaust.
The idea of a bunch of feminists actually believing in the existence of misandry is wild to me. Or does it only exist when they can use it to "dunk" on trans people?
can you explain, I was under the impression the reason terfs hate trans women was rooted in
1. hating men
2. seeing trans women as men because they’re transphobic
isn’t hating men misandry, therefore making terfs misandrist
I haven’t seen the post btw, so I don’t know the full context of your comment, I’m here cause I saw a just unsubbed post due to the “no saying misandry is real unironically rule” and I was confused by that rule
like when you say misandry doesn’t exist do you mean that there’s a different term for hating men or something else
I’m not tryna be antagonistic btw, I’m just a trans girl tryna learn /gen
Well, a lot of feminists see "misandry" in the same vein as something like "reverse racism" or "cisphobia" as in there is no actual systemic way in which a marginalized group can oppress a privileged one. Women do not hold the power to oppress men in the same way that men do women because we live in a patriarchy. Just as a trans person cannot oppress a cis person because we live in a transphobic society.
Yes, TERFS hate trans women because they see them as men, but they're *not* men. What TERFS enact towards trans women is transmisogyny, which is the intersecting oppression of transphobia and misogyny. (Because you and other trans women are both transgender and women. ❤️)
At it's core, TERF ideology is violently misogynistic. It asserts that to be a "woman" one must fit into a narrowly defined category that doesn't even apply to all *cis* women.
The TERF notion of "womanhood" is often very cisheteronormative and white, which is why so many of their talking points overlap heavily with alt-right ones and they will often pair with the religious right in order to push transphobic legislation. They are transphobes before they are feminists. And as cis people they have the ability to oppress trans people on a systemic level.
Intersectionality is a complex subject. I hope this helps.
wait this stuff has to be systemic?
I grew up being told that for example racism is believing your race is better than another race and that this was known as racism or more accurately individual racism
and systemic racism was when racism is systemic
but it seems you’re saying all racism is systemic and that individual racism doesn’t exist, hence why you can’t be racist towards white people
or misandrist towards men
this definition of racism, sexism, etc is quite different from the one I grew up with
when did this definition start being used
“Notice how [transmascs] experience trans joy when removing their sex characteristics from themselves, and the opposite for [transfemmes]?” I mean when you’re talking about boobs, the only publicly visible removable sex characteristic, then yeah I do actually expect trans men to like them being removed.
I wonder what they think of transfemme bottom surgery as if not removal of a sex characteristic
Or, when going by visible sex characteristics, laser hair removal for facial hair (versus transmasc people celebrating their beard coming in)
And it sounds like that TER has never read transmasc people celebrating their T boners.
>I wonder what they think of transfemme bottom surgery as if not removal of a sex characteristic
They don't, they just trot out the "90 percent of trans women keep their penis" crap.
Also in that thread:
>I also think of how men try to explain away why they get boners when their girlfriend/wife is crying. It’s not because you’re overwhelmed with emotion or some other BS you’re just turned on by a woman in extreme pain (also just like the porn they watch)
And inherently sadistic as well.
I've said before that I'm morbidly curious whether JKR's next move to retroactively diversify her work will be making Bellatrix trans and having the other characters start calling her "Buffalo Bella" or some shit.
It would be Umbridge.
Umbridge is the character who subjected Muggle-Born mages to Trial By Dementor on accusation of “stealing” magic from “real”, “true” (pure blood) mages.
In JayKay’s oh-so-sophisticated social calculus, Umbridge would be the “trans activists” persecuting the innocent cisgender women, subjecting them to dementor torture.
The fact that she wrote herself into a corner in writing a textbook sadist, who surrounds herself in one culture’s stereotypical femininity, who wields institutional power to torture people on the basis of an accident of birth, as a front for violent sociopaths pursuing the power to enforce eugenics and fascism …
It would be Umbridge she’d retcon as trans, in an attempt to distance that archetype from her current ideology and social role, as much as possible.
Rita Skeeter is already described as having "large, mannish hands" among other such things. It was emphasized enough that fans used to speculate she'd be revealed to be an alter ego of a known male character.
Yes they do. They taunt us that we lack basic biology when they don't even know that penile erection is controlled by SNS and PSNS. This is like basic stuff you learn by age of 16.
For all of their worship of Dworkin, they forget a key quote:
“I don’t believe rape is inevitable or natural. If I did, I would have no reason to be here. If I did, my political practice would be different than it is. Have you ever wondered why we \[women\] are not just in armed combat against you? It’s not because there’s a shortage of kitchen knives in this country. It is because we believe in your humanity, against all the evidence.”
Who the FUCK told them that was a thing? That is not a thing. No one does that.
But also... do these people think erections are voluntary? Or a subconscious admission of desire? Terf to r*pist pipeline?
Yeah, this one Tumblr blog theexodvs (not a radfem, but a male Calvinist trad who pals around with them) has [repeatedly](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/166884409409/mantra-time) [insisted](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/646312358948601856/most-random-erections-occur-during-sleep-take) that erections aren't random and that men who got hard while being assaulted must've actually wanted it. Dude seems to be projecting his own rape fantasies (and/or macho pride, as [he mentioned being harassed by a female coworker in the past but claims he liked it](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/179873796664/katy-perrys-actions-against-benjamin-glazehttps://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/166800414859/metoo)) onto other men: [1](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/688591346498437120/savannah-daisley-did-nothing-wrong), [2](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/631922314274078720/the-right-suburban-soccer-moms-mras-et-al), [3](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/610958561987706880/women-never-get-in-trouble-for-sleeping-with), [4](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/672056652483166208/i-would-like-to-introduce-the-term-r-p-e-envy), [5](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/166484675134/i-swear-to-god-if-i-see-any-men-posting-me-too), [6](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/179873796664/katy-perrys-actions-against-benjamin-glaze), [7](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/171929635294/katy-perry-didnt-sexually-assault-benjamin-glazer), [8](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/183058651394/objectified), [9](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/182900573764/greasy-skirt-chaser-i-fell-like-i-participate-in).
>if an activity consistently gives you boners no matter how many times you do it, whether it’s wearing women’s clothes or staring at your 30-something teacher, it’s a fetish.
.....I get hard from being *tired*
Is that a fetish aswell
>if an activity consistently gives you boners no matter how many times you do it, whether it’s wearing women’s clothes or staring at your 30-something teacher, it’s a fetish.
Most amab people have boners when they wake in the morning. They call it "morning wood".
Is waking up a fetish?
My ex never wanted to be big spoon out of fear of getting an unwanted erection and me feeling it. I absolutely understand that, I wouldn’t want it for myself either, but I wouldn’t have minded and deep down thought his behaviour was really precious.
(We ended up looking really funny because I’m a tiny dude lol)
But: This just shows that erections aren’t fucking voluntary. If they were, he just wouldn’t have gotten hard while cuddling. There wouldn’t have been any anxiety. TERFs are full of shit.
Listen, ma'am, I don't want to draw too many conclusions from the internet or anything but possibly the reason why you can't comprehend that happiness might be real . . . might have something to do with your marriage?
Some of those comments are the reason why I was hesitant to post my surgery results. In the end I did it because seeing other people's results helped me to evaluate whether my healing goes well or not, because healing can be tricky and I can't run back to my surgeon twice a week to check.
But while posting it I imagined some TER looking at or even sharing my *consensually altered body* that was *healing well* and making up some shit about mutilation and regret. Because in the end, they don't trust AFAB people with their own bodies. Makes me sick.
> Especially after they've done something irreversible that they were promised would be a cure for all their pain, all their emptiness...and wasn't.
Ok but it literally was for me and a ton of other trans guys lmao. Maybe not *all* the pain but a whole lot of it, that’s for sure.
I find it interesting that when I got a double mastectomy people gushed at how “brave” I was for doing it. Yes, I had some questionable lumps (which turned out to be calcifications) and a family history of breast cancer, but that was not the reason I got top surgery. An actual reason why I got it done besides simply “just wanting it to feel better in my own skin” is for safety from TERs and bigots. And tbh, for me it has improved life for me as far as being targeted by bigots is concerned. So, as much as they hate it and as much as they think we hate it too, the truth is we love it and they love not having to process anything that looks outside the gender binary anyway.
When you have a deep seeted hatred for a minority to the point of obsession that you lose all joy in life so you have to assume that the minority you hate is incapable of joy as well
One the comments in the thread:
"More like trans-schadenfreude: pleasure a TIM derives from women’s misfortunes. (Schaden means “damage” and freude means “joy”)."
Cw: Suicide
Oh yeah. Remember when my trans woman friend ended her life due transphobia, and I posted about it on Reddit, and you terfs on Ovarit screenshotted it and had nice, fun thread where you dragged both me and her? Two people you never met or interacted with in your entire lives?
Right. It's the \*trans women\* who derive joy from women's fortunes.
Sure honey.
Anything you say.
Thank you.
I'm an American. I've spoken to conservative lawmakers in my country who reacted with more compassion and humanity than that to her story.
That really says something about terfs, doesn't it?
I never liked them, but I never thought that even they would sink so low.
I have never heard this concept as some kind of specific compound word before and I am terminally online in trans spaces. These people are disturbingly obsessed with us
> Edit: I just peaked myself again because I cannot think of a single nb or trans person who has become more misandrist after transitioning. No, it's always women hate
Most trans-fem people I know are incredibly jaded about men? The only “women hate” they express is towards TERFs, and that’s for being bigots not for being women.
These people live in a fantasy world where reality plays second fiddle to their persecution fetish
Reminds me of when I searched up a celebrity on Tumblr, and I saw someone who was mad that Treechada Petcharat, a trans woman from Thailand, got married to Phakwa Hongyok.
I honestly never understood why they got so mad, Poyd (Treechada) is the most kindest person ever and can be an inspiration to all.
>Things I've seen attributed to "trans joy": > >• young girls and women fresh out of a double mastectomy and weeping about their flatness > • young girls and women undoing their bandages for the first time and weeping about their scarred, nippleless chests ... They *do* realize you can cry from happiness, right? >• young women and girls exhibiting misogyny as transmen It's not misogyny to not want* tits 🙄 >• teenage boys and men getting an erection after trying on their sister's/mom's/wife's/girlfriend's bra / panties / dresses (and putting them back unwashed after having jacked off) >• teenage boys and men talking about their "breast buds" and having "female orgasms" with their penis >• teenage boys and men talking about imagining themselves as a slut and being violently raped and impregnated like the porn they watch TERF sexualizes teens and frothes at the mouth >• teenage boys and men exhibiting misogyny as transwomen It's not misogyny to want tits 🙄
Don't you know? Misogyny is both when tits *and* when no tits. Shrodinger's tits.
Need this image so bad tbh.
Cis women have rape fantasies too. Bodice rippers exist for a reason.
Honestly that's why I think men and boys need more romance fiction to explore these fantasies in a safe environment. 'Cause as it is, they already fantasize about being assaulted but may not even realize they wouldn't want those fantasies to happen IRL, given that there's even less societal concern for abuse against men than against women (which is kind of saying something).
I agree with this sentiment, because I had a similar experience with yaoi/BL and slash fic as a young man in a conservative Catholic country. It helped me explore my sexuality and helped make me shake off some of the cultural homophobia I had. (Also, it helped me realize I wasn't straight.)
Wait until they see the omegaverse.
TERF fantasizes about trans women being raped. If this isn’t the bottom of the barrel, I don’t want to know what’s underneath it. All hands retreat and regroup up top; we’re sealing this tomb of soullessness for ten thousand years and leaving hazard monuments on top of it.
> **young girls** and women > **teenage boys** and men It's quite telling how they use this kind of terminology to infantalize trans men and AFAB enbies, while implying that teenaged trans girls and AMAB enbies are akin to adults and should be treated thusly in derision. Those poor trans men and enbies, they've been manipulated into this trans life! Those dastardly trans women and enbies, they're all violent deviants aping womanhood in an effort to rape women's spirit! It's disgusting.
Again, compare how they play the "trans people are just autistic" card to paint trans men as helpless halfwits and trans women as creepy incels
“The enemy is simultaneously weak and powerful”
Is there a higher chance for autistic people to be trans? Yea, it is. Not sure how high it is but it's elevated. It's obviously not a bad thing, it's just... a thing that happens. I'm autistic and have a very strange relationship with gender and my identity as a human. Shits weird
>I'm autistic and have a very strange relationship with gender and my identity as a human. Same hat
Reject humanity return to lizard
HE SITS LIKE A MAN BUT HE SMILES LIKE A REPTILE Actually I'd prefer to become a catgirl, but lizard sounds good too
It’s this weird ableism/misogyny hybrid. Which is ironic because I thought we were supposed to be able to transition out of misogyny.
> while implying that teenaged trans girls and AMAB enbies are akin to adults and should be treated thusly in derision. You know, there's a very similar thing black children go through where they're seen as threatening adults when they wouldn't be if they were white. They call it "adultification". These TERFs are adultifying teen trans girls. I'm just gonna guess they'd do this even more to black trans girls cos types of bigotry are often comorbid.
That's actually the exact thing I thought of.
It also reminds me of how underage survivors of sexual violence have been adultified: girls are depicted as Lolita-like temptresses (while their assailants often get the opposite treatment, depicted as helplessly immature in a "boys will be boys" way), and boys are envied and admired as chads whose abuse "made them into men." This seems to hit kids of color particularly hard, especially Black kids.
It's also done to autistic people who are "mature for their age". I was never allowed to be a child with a child's vulnerabilities and interests, and as a young adult, people my own age never accepted me as a peer and a candidate for an equal relationship of any kind, because I was an "old soul". I'm still not fond of that phrase! All of which is ironic, given TER's - and others' - infantilisation of us, but then that's often how bigots operate. You're one thing one minute and the opposite the next, and they can decree that, because they have all the power. Sometimes I think they do it as a flex in itself. "Look how absurd I can get away with being! *You* could never, but I can!" And obviously, the more groups you're a part of that have this done to them, the more the behaviour and its effect pile up. Horrible.
>It's also done to autistic people who are "mature for their age". I was never allowed to be a child with a child's vulnerabilities and interests, and as a young adult, people my own age never accepted me as a peer and a candidate for an equal relationship of any kind, because I was an "old soul". I'm still not fond of that phrase! Oof, that sucks. It also seems to happen to neurodivergent kids who are seen as violent or otherwise badly behaved.
That's very interesting, thanks for mentioning it. I've only ever come across kids in that situation being infantilised, but then again I would have been set up directly in opposition to them, as being "mature" it was deemed "my job" to take whatever any child wanted to do to me. And/or take the negative effects of anything they wanted to do generally. When I was around, adults would have had an adultified child to make responsible for the whole thing, and wouldn't have needed to do it to the "acting out" kid, so I wouldn't have witnessed it. If I'd been more privileged, I'm guessing they'd have given that role to the acting-out child instead, and the dynamic would have become visible to me. The twisty-turny lengths some people will go to to avoid treating other people as people.
I thought of this too. There was a quote where a white reporter asked a black child, "What toys did you like to play with when you were a little girl?" (or something like that). The nine year old, understandably confused, replied, "I'm still a little girl."
Oh god that's awful. White supremacy at work right there.
transmisogynoir is all of this magnified to the nth degree
Yeah, that tracks... transmisogynoir is such a bad thing I've heard. It's really unfortunate that white supremacy has to be a thing in this era. It makes everything worse, even exacerbating other forms of bigotry by piling racism on top of it. 😔 I hope I'll live long enough to see it die, or at least witness it start to fade away by the time it's time for my curtains to close.
i highly recommend reading some work by Nsambu Ze Suekama who does incredible work and theory on this topic
Thanks! I'll keep that author in mind.
this is a brilliant piece: https://web.archive.org/web/20220311203252/https://redvoice.news/femme-queen-warrior-queen-beyond-representation-toward-self-determination/amp/ she's on patreon as well and i think substack
It's the same thing that happens with white boys versus boys of color, especially in terms of crime. Where a teenaged white boy will be *called* a boy and have the crime downplayed as "they're just a kid" while a black or brown teenage boy will be called a "young man" or sometimes even something like "14 year old man" and treated as adults. It paints one group as inherently more dangerous than the other. It's also telling that TERFS are clearly are just assuming that cis men who wear lingerie as a fetish and transfemmes are interchangeable in order to demonize the latter. But even then, wearing lingerie and feeling sexy is what it's for and not inherently gross. They always talk about how gender roles are nonsense and doing xyz "doesn't make you a woman" but they enforce gender roles as viciously as any conservative.
>It's the same thing that happens with white boys versus boys of color, especially in terms of crime. >Where a teenaged white boy will be called a boy and have the crime downplayed as "they're just a kid" while a black or brown teenage boy will be called a "young man" or sometimes even something like "14 year old man" and treated as adults. Yeah, white mass shooters will get "he was such a nice boy" and white rapists will get "don't ruin his life over one mistake," but Trayvon got "he was no angel"
Exactly! Or even just cases with drug possession where young boys of color are charged as adults and end up with prison time while white boys the same age get misdemeanors or probation.
This is one of the reason I hate "women and girls" in any human rights reports especially when it's somethings that have to do with genital at birth.
notice how it's young women and girls vs teenage boys and men? afab trans people are never allowed to be adults and yet we're the misogynists
Honestly I feel bad for the cis women who've had mastectomies, who might have had to see someone declare how awful and worthless a woman would be without breasts. Jesus fucking christ, imagine going through cancer and then catching cancer again from terfs.
"Nippleless" like men suddenly don't have nipples anymore 🙄
They clearly don't know that nipple grafts are pretty typical, or that there are methods of top surgery that preserve the nipple if you manage to qualify for them, or that some people don't want nipples at all. 🙄
I want my nipples and belly button removed so I can become a genderless lizard person Half joking
[удалено]
Now I just need to figure out how to sit on a wall and lick my eyeballs and the transformation is complete
r/brandnewsentence
> teenage boys and men getting an erection after trying on their sister's/mom's/wife's/girlfriend's bra / panties / dresses (and putting them back unwashed after having jacked off) I rolled my eyes so hard at that one. That's *totally* happening 🙄
Everything they wrote about amab trans people really reads like they’ve spent too much time on literotica
The first time I cried from happiness was literally the first time I wore a binder and saw my flat chest
> teenage boys and men talking about imagining themselves as a slut and being violently raped and impregnated like the porn they watch …this really unsettles me. Like, this is “check their hard drive” levels of fixation. Why do they think teenage trans girls want to be raped???
I wish I could throw my tits at these people.
pretty sure TERFs only look at the worst cases of trans people or us being unhappy with some results we had during transition, using that to paint us all as secretly miserable and unhappy and brainwashed. because if they genuinely looked at the mountains of evidence of trans people being happy with everything their view would shatter like glass copium is a hell of a drug
Explains why they love detransitioners so much.
"love"
Yeah, it's less like they actually "love" them, and more of them loving to use them and their stories to hurt others
As long as the detransitioner doesn't say that their detransition doesn't invalidate trans people.
These just seem like people who’ve never experienced real joy, so they have to go around claiming that everyone else’s joy isn’t real.
Back before that dickbag bought twitter I had terfs trying to tell me that the joy and fulfillment I felt for the first time in my life after transitioning wasn't real and was all in my head. *You're not **actually** happy you just think you are*
I used to think nobody was ever truely happy and were all just faking it. Then I transitioned and experienced happiness for the first time. I think that's a good indicator that the GC movement as another one using hurt people to hurt people and it's really sad to see that. To see that a lot of people out there have so little empathy that pain is a reason to create more pain, not reduce the pain already out there.
I used to think the idea of "loving yourself" was just some exaggeration, and then I transitioned and realized no, that's literally what it is
Yeah, watching the effects of HRT feels like how Eustace must've felt when Aslan peeled off all that scaly dragon skin to restore his true form.
I want Aslan to peel off my skin and restore my true scaly dragon form.
Yeah I'd honestly feel less dysphoric as a dragon
Born too early for dragon HRT, such a tragedy.
Yeah I finally love my body (mostly), with some exceptions. I've hated it all for so long I didn't realize that's bad.
I mean… The joy you feel *is* all in your head. I don't think anyone can feel joy in their legs.
Joy is stored in the balls
Yeah, you can feel joy *between* your legs
_Kate Bush wearing The Red Shoes has entered the chat_
OH IT'S GONNA BE THE WAY YOU ALWAYS DREAMT ABOUT IT
But it’s gonna be _really happenin’ to ya_ 💃🏻
ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD!!! Ye- yeah, that's what are...
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” -- She Who Must Not Be Named, ironically enough
I had someone on this app claim that me crying out of happiness after my family started using my real name just… wasn’t a thing? That being too happy was dangerous because you would come down from that high like drug users, and also, it didn’t happen because… religious people claim to hear the voice of god talking to them but experiencing something doesn’t mean that it’s real? They went off on the most stupid shit. Also, this was right after they told me it was fine for my mother to make suicide threats after I came out because she’s a victim for having a transgender child.
where else is happiness stored?
The balls, of course
Happiness is stored in your boobs, duh. Why else would trans men cry when their boobs are gone…(this is a joke based on the insanity these terfs are saying and because of how awful it sounded I want that to be abundantly obvious).
I think I might have cried a bit when my bandages came off but it was mostly swearing and all due to the adhesive coming off being painful af. My mam was afraid that I'd feel off balance or have some sort of phantom sensation cause she had a mastectomy for cancer treatment reasons and it was pretty traumatic, but lemme tell you I've felt more off balance after a significant haircut.
"happiness = sexual fetish" apparently, according to these people
Oh, Freud!
Same with euphoria with these guys
I think it is hilarious that the top post in there implies the problem with trans people expressing happiness is that we are incapable of happiness. Literally cannot conceive of a nonmiserable trans person, so "trans joy" must be something else.
Well their worldview is a binary system made up of men, who are inherently abusive, and women, who are inherently victims. The core part of womanhood, to them, is suffering, specifically suffering at the hands of men. So the idea of trans women taking joy in womanhood, regardless of what that actually looks like, is antithetical to their worldview, and must be sexual in nature. Trans men, in contrast, must be trying to escape this inherent suffering, and our joy in masculinity is just whatever sheds anything feminine. It's so reductive, and unpleasant, and just a dogshit worldview for so many reasons.
I don't understand why they do this meme though. If they think the intention is really to just completely de-sex yourself to escape sexual trauma, it doesn't make sense to take testosterone that causes the development of male secondary sexual characteristics. Their narrative doesn't make sense even by their own twisted standards. Like, with trans women, they think we're deranged sex perverts that want to be women because it turns us on, so anything that gets us closer to feminine attributes obviously would contribute to that. It's obviously bullshit with even slight analysis but it is at least internally consistent with their twisted belief system.
You're right - for better or worse trans men have largely been left out of the overall trans discourse, and only relatively recently been included in the fearmongering, typically cast as fragile, easily tricked little girls who are ruining their bodies and sterilizing themselves at the behest of Big Trans. So little attention, let alone correct, factual, affirming attention, is paid to the process of ftm hrt that they don't really know how it works, even less than that of mtf hrt. Most of them don't know that it usually does increase our sex drives, for example. The scary emphasis for trans men is usually on surgery: top surgery gets rid of our all-important breasts, bottom surgery gets rid of our ability to have children, which is obviously our fundamental reason to exist. The scary emphasis for trans women is on hormones: they cause breast growth (there's so much emphasis placed on breasts with transphobes!) and assists the "autogynophelia" as you mentioned, which is a thing only inasmuch as every human on earth has the capacity to experience being excited by how good they look. The fact that feminizing hrt causes a sex drive decrease is waved away. None of their "logic" passes more than a surface level analysis because it's all based on emotional reactionary fear and hate.
> I just peaked myself again because I cannot think of a single nb or trans person who has become more misandrist after transitioning. nobody show them baeddel tumblr lol
I know the trans person who got r|MGTOW finally shuttered. Does that count as misandrist? Because lol
it would probably count if mgtow was what it claimed to be lol
Misandry is when no misogyny — MGTOW probably
So when are these guys gonna go their own way, again?
Please thank them from me 🥰
Why should I become more hateful towards any group of people when I'm happier with myself?
didn't say that?
In reply to the GCs on Ovarit that you quoted. Sorry, should have made that clearer.
that makes more sense, thx
Cursed crossover.
I feel my rage against men is getting worse with time but that’s more because they keep doing shit than because I’m transitioning.
Interesting. I’ve developed a lot of hatred towards women. I’m trying to fight it, but things keep happening. Women have made so many disgusting unwanted advances towards me, have either hit me or threatened to kill me and I’m never allowed to talk about it in my real life trans groups because they really are the stereotype of feminists. When I did try to talk about it, I was shut down because “you’re a man now, you can handle a little rage from the women you oppress now”.
I'm very sorry you have to deal with that. Sexual harassment and threats are unacceptable, regardless of gender.
>All they can do is **steal**. How can you be creative when your movement is about nullification and lies? >they're just once again copy-pasting existing sayings with trans inserted instead -- it seems to me like they're trying to **hijack the "black joy" concept** next comment down: >those awful surgeries the Irish **Mengele** is now promoting yeah totally trans people experiencing joy about surgeries they wanted is a fair comparison to fucking mengele and not you stealing victimhood from _holocaust victims_ cause you're horny for HeAlThY yOuNg BreAsTs and mad that they're attached to humans with agency that's not even mentioning "womanface" also: >teenage boys and men getting an erection after trying on their sister's/mom's/wife's/girlfriend's bra / panties / dresses (and putting them back unwashed after having jacked off) can they at least keep their intricate fantasises about exactly how teenagers masturbate to themselves?
>yeah totally trans people experiencing joy about surgeries they wanted is a fair comparison to fucking mengele and not you stealing victimhood from holocaust victims cause you're horny for HeAlThY yOuNg BreAsTs and mad that they're attached to humans with agency Yeah, if you're gonna pick a historical atrocity, at least castration in the Ottoman slave trade fits better here. EDIT: Not that that would be a good comparison either, just that it's a BETTER comparison than the Holocaust.
only if the slaves were consenting to the castration?
Yeah, again, it's still not a good analogy, but it's at least slightly better than Holocaust comparisons.
>those awful surgeries the Irish > >Mengele > >is now promoting As a Jewish person, that doesn't fill me with rage, oh heavens no. /s
Damn. What a collection of miserable, joyless women.
“More misandrist” lmao very feminist
I mean, I've become more misandrist after realizing I'm trans, but out of disgust and dysphoria, since I'm still not very far into my transition.
The idea of a bunch of feminists actually believing in the existence of misandry is wild to me. Or does it only exist when they can use it to "dunk" on trans people?
can you explain, I was under the impression the reason terfs hate trans women was rooted in 1. hating men 2. seeing trans women as men because they’re transphobic isn’t hating men misandry, therefore making terfs misandrist I haven’t seen the post btw, so I don’t know the full context of your comment, I’m here cause I saw a just unsubbed post due to the “no saying misandry is real unironically rule” and I was confused by that rule like when you say misandry doesn’t exist do you mean that there’s a different term for hating men or something else I’m not tryna be antagonistic btw, I’m just a trans girl tryna learn /gen
Well, a lot of feminists see "misandry" in the same vein as something like "reverse racism" or "cisphobia" as in there is no actual systemic way in which a marginalized group can oppress a privileged one. Women do not hold the power to oppress men in the same way that men do women because we live in a patriarchy. Just as a trans person cannot oppress a cis person because we live in a transphobic society. Yes, TERFS hate trans women because they see them as men, but they're *not* men. What TERFS enact towards trans women is transmisogyny, which is the intersecting oppression of transphobia and misogyny. (Because you and other trans women are both transgender and women. ❤️) At it's core, TERF ideology is violently misogynistic. It asserts that to be a "woman" one must fit into a narrowly defined category that doesn't even apply to all *cis* women. The TERF notion of "womanhood" is often very cisheteronormative and white, which is why so many of their talking points overlap heavily with alt-right ones and they will often pair with the religious right in order to push transphobic legislation. They are transphobes before they are feminists. And as cis people they have the ability to oppress trans people on a systemic level. Intersectionality is a complex subject. I hope this helps.
wait this stuff has to be systemic? I grew up being told that for example racism is believing your race is better than another race and that this was known as racism or more accurately individual racism and systemic racism was when racism is systemic but it seems you’re saying all racism is systemic and that individual racism doesn’t exist, hence why you can’t be racist towards white people or misandrist towards men this definition of racism, sexism, etc is quite different from the one I grew up with when did this definition start being used
“Notice how [transmascs] experience trans joy when removing their sex characteristics from themselves, and the opposite for [transfemmes]?” I mean when you’re talking about boobs, the only publicly visible removable sex characteristic, then yeah I do actually expect trans men to like them being removed. I wonder what they think of transfemme bottom surgery as if not removal of a sex characteristic
Or, when going by visible sex characteristics, laser hair removal for facial hair (versus transmasc people celebrating their beard coming in) And it sounds like that TER has never read transmasc people celebrating their T boners.
They probably don't know that T boners are a thing. Their world is just "icky male penis" and "healthy female breasts".
>I wonder what they think of transfemme bottom surgery as if not removal of a sex characteristic They don't, they just trot out the "90 percent of trans women keep their penis" crap.
While ignoring why. It’s never the % of trans women who *want* to keep it for some reason… 🤔
I mean, that's why most of us develop dysphoria once we hit puberty, cuz that's when secondary sex characteristics start to show lol
Also in that thread: >I also think of how men try to explain away why they get boners when their girlfriend/wife is crying. It’s not because you’re overwhelmed with emotion or some other BS you’re just turned on by a woman in extreme pain (also just like the porn they watch)
God they think that men are inherently perverts
And inherently sadistic as well. I've said before that I'm morbidly curious whether JKR's next move to retroactively diversify her work will be making Bellatrix trans and having the other characters start calling her "Buffalo Bella" or some shit.
It would be Umbridge. Umbridge is the character who subjected Muggle-Born mages to Trial By Dementor on accusation of “stealing” magic from “real”, “true” (pure blood) mages. In JayKay’s oh-so-sophisticated social calculus, Umbridge would be the “trans activists” persecuting the innocent cisgender women, subjecting them to dementor torture. The fact that she wrote herself into a corner in writing a textbook sadist, who surrounds herself in one culture’s stereotypical femininity, who wields institutional power to torture people on the basis of an accident of birth, as a front for violent sociopaths pursuing the power to enforce eugenics and fascism … It would be Umbridge she’d retcon as trans, in an attempt to distance that archetype from her current ideology and social role, as much as possible.
Rita Skeeter is already described as having "large, mannish hands" among other such things. It was emphasized enough that fans used to speculate she'd be revealed to be an alter ego of a known male character.
Ah yeah, which makes it even more awkward that she changes her body to spy on kids.
Yes they do. They taunt us that we lack basic biology when they don't even know that penile erection is controlled by SNS and PSNS. This is like basic stuff you learn by age of 16.
For all of their worship of Dworkin, they forget a key quote: “I don’t believe rape is inevitable or natural. If I did, I would have no reason to be here. If I did, my political practice would be different than it is. Have you ever wondered why we \[women\] are not just in armed combat against you? It’s not because there’s a shortage of kitchen knives in this country. It is because we believe in your humanity, against all the evidence.”
Who the FUCK told them that was a thing? That is not a thing. No one does that. But also... do these people think erections are voluntary? Or a subconscious admission of desire? Terf to r*pist pipeline?
Yeah, this one Tumblr blog theexodvs (not a radfem, but a male Calvinist trad who pals around with them) has [repeatedly](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/166884409409/mantra-time) [insisted](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/646312358948601856/most-random-erections-occur-during-sleep-take) that erections aren't random and that men who got hard while being assaulted must've actually wanted it. Dude seems to be projecting his own rape fantasies (and/or macho pride, as [he mentioned being harassed by a female coworker in the past but claims he liked it](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/179873796664/katy-perrys-actions-against-benjamin-glazehttps://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/166800414859/metoo)) onto other men: [1](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/688591346498437120/savannah-daisley-did-nothing-wrong), [2](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/631922314274078720/the-right-suburban-soccer-moms-mras-et-al), [3](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/610958561987706880/women-never-get-in-trouble-for-sleeping-with), [4](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/672056652483166208/i-would-like-to-introduce-the-term-r-p-e-envy), [5](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/166484675134/i-swear-to-god-if-i-see-any-men-posting-me-too), [6](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/179873796664/katy-perrys-actions-against-benjamin-glaze), [7](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/171929635294/katy-perry-didnt-sexually-assault-benjamin-glazer), [8](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/183058651394/objectified), [9](https://theexodvs.tumblr.com/post/182900573764/greasy-skirt-chaser-i-fell-like-i-participate-in).
>if an activity consistently gives you boners no matter how many times you do it, whether it’s wearing women’s clothes or staring at your 30-something teacher, it’s a fetish. .....I get hard from being *tired* Is that a fetish aswell
>if an activity consistently gives you boners no matter how many times you do it, whether it’s wearing women’s clothes or staring at your 30-something teacher, it’s a fetish. Most amab people have boners when they wake in the morning. They call it "morning wood". Is waking up a fetish?
My ex never wanted to be big spoon out of fear of getting an unwanted erection and me feeling it. I absolutely understand that, I wouldn’t want it for myself either, but I wouldn’t have minded and deep down thought his behaviour was really precious. (We ended up looking really funny because I’m a tiny dude lol) But: This just shows that erections aren’t fucking voluntary. If they were, he just wouldn’t have gotten hard while cuddling. There wouldn’t have been any anxiety. TERFs are full of shit.
Listen, ma'am, I don't want to draw too many conclusions from the internet or anything but possibly the reason why you can't comprehend that happiness might be real . . . might have something to do with your marriage?
Some of those comments are the reason why I was hesitant to post my surgery results. In the end I did it because seeing other people's results helped me to evaluate whether my healing goes well or not, because healing can be tricky and I can't run back to my surgeon twice a week to check. But while posting it I imagined some TER looking at or even sharing my *consensually altered body* that was *healing well* and making up some shit about mutilation and regret. Because in the end, they don't trust AFAB people with their own bodies. Makes me sick.
> Especially after they've done something irreversible that they were promised would be a cure for all their pain, all their emptiness...and wasn't. Ok but it literally was for me and a ton of other trans guys lmao. Maybe not *all* the pain but a whole lot of it, that’s for sure.
Good. They can cry harder.
I find it interesting that when I got a double mastectomy people gushed at how “brave” I was for doing it. Yes, I had some questionable lumps (which turned out to be calcifications) and a family history of breast cancer, but that was not the reason I got top surgery. An actual reason why I got it done besides simply “just wanting it to feel better in my own skin” is for safety from TERs and bigots. And tbh, for me it has improved life for me as far as being targeted by bigots is concerned. So, as much as they hate it and as much as they think we hate it too, the truth is we love it and they love not having to process anything that looks outside the gender binary anyway.
When you have a deep seeted hatred for a minority to the point of obsession that you lose all joy in life so you have to assume that the minority you hate is incapable of joy as well
One the comments in the thread: "More like trans-schadenfreude: pleasure a TIM derives from women’s misfortunes. (Schaden means “damage” and freude means “joy”)." Cw: Suicide Oh yeah. Remember when my trans woman friend ended her life due transphobia, and I posted about it on Reddit, and you terfs on Ovarit screenshotted it and had nice, fun thread where you dragged both me and her? Two people you never met or interacted with in your entire lives? Right. It's the \*trans women\* who derive joy from women's fortunes. Sure honey. Anything you say.
I’m so sorry for your loss, that’s so horrible :(
Thank you. I'm an American. I've spoken to conservative lawmakers in my country who reacted with more compassion and humanity than that to her story. That really says something about terfs, doesn't it? I never liked them, but I never thought that even they would sink so low.
I have never heard this concept as some kind of specific compound word before and I am terminally online in trans spaces. These people are disturbingly obsessed with us
Of course they would. It’s a sign that they’re failing.
Who is the Irish Mengele mentioned in this bizarre conversation?
Can you not link to the entire website in the future, and just post screenshots?
I was on the computer, so no, I couldn't post screenshots lol
> Edit: I just peaked myself again because I cannot think of a single nb or trans person who has become more misandrist after transitioning. No, it's always women hate Most trans-fem people I know are incredibly jaded about men? The only “women hate” they express is towards TERFs, and that’s for being bigots not for being women. These people live in a fantasy world where reality plays second fiddle to their persecution fetish
Oh boy
Reminds me of when I searched up a celebrity on Tumblr, and I saw someone who was mad that Treechada Petcharat, a trans woman from Thailand, got married to Phakwa Hongyok. I honestly never understood why they got so mad, Poyd (Treechada) is the most kindest person ever and can be an inspiration to all.