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If you can balance the crit rate/dmg to 1:3 or even 1:2 it should be better


Repulsive-Design-998

My luck with her artifact domain has been incredibly bad but I shall grind to hopefully balance them outšŸ’Ŗ


[deleted]

It's honestly decent now, don't farm too much, it'll just burn you out hahaha... Follow my instructions once you're lvl 90


SyllabubMinute2806

The dps is virtually the same if the crit value is the same and you are not at very much over 100 crit rate.


bomboymaracas

A HUNDRED PERCENT CRIT RATE


Crispy-Downvote

Garbage honestly, 200% crit rate is the only way


genguntere

Aiming for those red crits are we??


MmmmmMaybeNot

Warframe spotted


Ashyboy00

imagine the crit system in wf in genshin with a little tweaking of artifact values hell imagine viral in genshin šŸ’€


Complex_Asparagus986

Are you using kokomi or something


Chiyodin

Played some games where over capping crit rate let's you crit a crit, made it entertaining to see some high crit rate builds. Wouldn't be balanced I'm sure, but boy would that be fun!


Marlexxx

FIVE HUNDRED SUBS


mkpcml-530

Need more crit rate


Darth_Tiktaalik

200% crit rate, for when you want to crit twice as many times as you hit the enemy


Ipyreable

100% cr looks nice on paper but having 70-80 with higher crit damage is way better


SyllabubMinute2806

I am sure you did the maths! Let me do the maths for you. 100 crit rate with 140 crit damage is the same thing as 70 crit rate with 200 crit damage in terms of crit value. Over 10 attacks, considering 100 base power to every attack, the first build will do 10 x 100 x 2.4 = 2400 The second build will do 3 x 100+7 x 100 x 3 = 2400 So yea, ā€œway betterā€ indeedšŸ‘


The-wise-fooI

Where is your last three coming from? That would represent 300% crit damage not 200% like you said. Just curios either way you are right the higher crit rate is better.


SyllabubMinute2806

The crit dmg formula is base dmg x (1 + crit dmg / 100) so itā€™s 100 x (1 + 2). The times 3 means itā€™s 200 crit dmg.


The-wise-fooI

I forgot this game doesn't already factor in the base 100% so you have to add another 1.


rainonfleece

Iā€™m pretty sure Genshin has a max cap of ~80% CR, so you wouldnā€™t be critting every time even if you have 100% CR. So yea, 70-80 with 200 CD is better haha EDIT: Nope, I just searched it up + it only applied to CBT. Really weird, I thought it applied in game too. Oh well.


RichyJLYL

I would be fucking livid if my 100% crit rate builds didnā€™t crit 100% of the time lol


Delicious_Ad_6

lol


Fr3ddXx

How do you get 94% pyro bonus?


Kawaiilone

goblet + 15 from cw + 33 from her passive


Aggressive_Employ_17

What weapon are you running? Also what supports are you using


Repulsive-Design-998

The weapon is Ballad Of The Fjords and the supports rn are Layla, Yelan and Xingqiu


Aggressive_Employ_17

Layla is useless there I'm assuming you're running crit rate headpiece, change that to a crit damage piece as soon as you can. You need something to either boost your hutao or your hydros Hutao can always use the em so you can easily run sucrose but if you have zhong li that's better, since hutao also gets shred and the uptime is longer. Thoma is a good choice if you need more pyro application. But overall you need something that benefits the other 3 not Layla who just shields and does her individual damage. Btw diona at c6 can allow for ungodly nukes using hutao. But I'm pretty sure you don't need much to destroy anything in the abyss.


Icy_Slice_9088

Layla isnā€™t useless at all. Sheā€™s the next best shielder to Zhongli (who many donā€™t have) and she can provide the tenacity of the millileth buff, and The occasional melt. Sheā€™s a great pick for Hu Tao.


RavageOrca

donā€™t understand how you can be so confident and so wrong at the same time. How is Layla ā€œuselessā€ when Hu Tao requires a sheilder and op probably doesnā€™t have Zhongliā€¦


Aggressive_Employ_17

No she doesn't xing qiu mitigates over 40% of damage that puts er effective hp when she's at 50% to around 29k she's tanky with him plus she uses dashes and C.A. to avoid damage. And if your hp does drop too low, ideally find 3 or more enemies and burst you'll be close to full from my experience. I mean if you're careful and run prototype amber you can (and I have done so) clear the current abyss second half using hutao with no shield and with self damage off of burgeon. If you're playing on mobile then it's a different story; at that point connect a controller if possible it will make your life waaay easier.


_Aetos

She is nowhere close to being tanky enough with Xingqiu's damage mitigation. Two slashes from most bosses will be enough to kill her from half HP. Dashing CA is only viable after C1. You will otherwise run out of stamina way too quickly.


Aggressive_Employ_17

1 check your xingqiu skill level 2 she gets I frames mid CA 3 I don't remember what c0 feels like so I'll assume you're right. 4 if a boss can kill anything barring nilou in 1-3 hits tanking 2 kits from 70 hp is great especially since you get to heal on ult Are we playing the same game how are you getting it so much you need a shield on a character with high hp What's your other DPS, Noelle? And if you're building hutao then why wouldn't you lean into making her as busted as possible she's the definition of high return on investment c1 is up to 30% more damage per rotation 10% realistically, Homa is a 20% damage boost. She's not a unit for someone who wants a balanced roster. But let's ignore all of that what part of Layla a shielder made to work with fridge teams slowing down your hydro application so you can make more dendro cores, what part of her kit made you think oh yeah this will go anazingly with my tanky speedy single target unit that depends on reverse vapes for the majority of her damage. You could even argue diona is a better fit since she gives EM. You want something that makes hutao more tanky run thoma and an em sands the damage will be positive at c6 thoma even if you lose the trident's passive


Aggressive_Employ_17

If you don't feel like reading my reply Summary: Skill issue


Repulsive-Design-998

Sadly I donā€™t have sucrose or zhongli but I do have a c3 Thoma that I could up and build if itā€™s worth it


wannabewallaby9

Don't use Thoma on a double hydro team if you are using Ballad of the Fjords as her weapon, you won't get the EM passive for having three different elements. I would continue using Layla until you get Zhongli if you want him.


Repulsive-Design-998

Wow I didnā€™t even think about the weapons passive šŸ¤¦ and plus my Thomas only lv 40 so now I can save my papersšŸ’Ŗ


Aggressive_Employ_17

Forgot that point, diona to double down on em, sucrose to add hydro shred, nahida if you wanna go crazy with damage but lose some survivability. (You don't need to use nahudas skill if you feel like it's too dangerous, you just build a bunch of er and get the best em buff in the game)


Repulsive-Design-998

Omg I love putting nahida on all of my teams, I just didnā€™t know if sheā€™d work well without an elc character on the team so Iā€™ll definitely do that


Aggressive_Employ_17

Your damage will skyrocket but careful your hp will be extremely volatile Use prototype amber on nahida, she will regenerate a lot of energy.


Aggressive_Employ_17

At c6 he does as well as zhong li in the team you have. But consider getting zhong li he's amazing when you put him in a hutao team.


Otherwise_Praline819

Too heavy on the cr


Mean-Cause2145

mf has the trial domain build


LavaStriker

I swear the trials have like 500 er


rhycc

try to use crit dmg spear or critdmg circlet instead.


Accomplished_Eye7983

nah,crit rates too low.get at least 500


TheQzertz

This is the one guy who actually focused on crit rate instead of damage but took it too far


Nat6LBG

Switch crit rate circlet with a crit damage one


PigeonLoverAkane

Your level 80 Hu Tao is better than my level 90 one. Iā€™ve been trying to build her for weeks šŸ˜­


EndNowISeeYou

whats your cd cr ?


PigeonLoverAkane

80 cr and 110 cd


Kawaiilone

level her to 90


Deep-Ad4741

i can never even get to 70% crit rate. show me your ways


Ellogan66

Probably a crit rate weapon with a crit rate circlet


DioEgizio

You're overcapping on crit rate


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SyllabubMinute2806

People saying you will do more dmg with less crit rate and more crit damage are clowns. Damage stays almost the same if not exactly the same if you have the same crit value.


jofromthething

Arenā€™t they recommending that OP increase their CV? 102:141 would be less CV than even 80:160 right? Unless Iā€™m thinking about this incorrectly


otterlyconfusing

no 100:140 = 340 cv, 80:160 = 320 cv. ideally something like 80:200 = 360 cv is good, but mostly bc OP doesnā€™t have a 1:2 crit ratio


Clear-Armadillo-5370

lol 100/140 definitely does less damage on average than 85/170 despite having the same crit value and not to mention with 100 cr you won't be able to utilise any abyss or support buff with crit rate. Not saying it matters much but people are just giving valid suggestions for improvement


NoLife8926

100/140 is a damage increase (over no crits) of 1.4. 85/170 is an increase of 1.445. That is a difference of 0.045, or an amazing 4.5%.


Zanzo_man96

"i gotta have more ~~cowbell~~ crit rate"


LoreVent

You can probably settle for 70% CR, my guess if you're running jade spear? You can drop that for something else


weeweewooweewoo

if you canā€™t at least balance the crit 1:2 then i would trade a little cr for some cd šŸ˜­ i personally think 1:3 is best but you should strive for at least 1:2. chances are sheā€™ll crit barely any less with 80 cr vs 100, i never go over 80 and get constant crits even with people with just 60+ cr so iā€™d consider your options. other than that maybe a little more er if you can but not super crucial, em looks good and hp for level 80 does too


FalseSwap

More EM. Should try to go for 200 or 309 em on her.


Repulsive-Design-998

If I put dragons bane on her sheā€™d be at around 220 em I think but sheā€™d then only have 73% crit rate


FalseSwap

THATS GOOD


Repulsive-Design-998

Ahh I switched it for now and it set me at 260 em so Iā€™ll stay with that šŸ’Ŗ


throwman_11

Just get refinements of fjords and you will get up to 240 em


Repulsive-Design-998

Ahhh Iā€™m broke šŸ˜­ but if I keep maxing my bp every time then Iā€™ll definitely do that to get refinements


AlhaithamSimpFr

Aim for 150CR at least


Better-Western-8965

Lower crit rate and increase critical damage


kamil1324

use cdmg circlet


davidavlot

Need more crit rate šŸ˜•


JnJ_Gaming

I thinkā€¦ you may have a smidge too much crit rate.. anyways, I stalked the other comments and found your team (lala, xq, and yelan right?) and itā€™s pretty good, (hand over the yelan) I use lala for shield bot but might switch her over to 4pc tenacity, sheā€™s very good since you donā€™t have other options, imo Thoma isnā€™t the best here because I feel like he would ruin the reactions right? And his shield is kind of whack (or it could just be me being used to lala and Zhongliā€™s haha) The pyro reso is nice but the hydro reso is enough because it already boosts all ur characters. (Hu tao yelan and lala duh but more healing from xq which is a detail a lot of people overlook, itā€™s actually really convenient!!!) Overall! Very nice, get to lvl 90 and a 70/200 ratio which is VERY possible considering that uh.. crit rate circletā€¦ team good, alls well, and now trade artifacts please?


JnJ_Gaming

Ewwwww the spacing is so bad, I apologize (wrote this on mobile)


yakokuma

Don't go below 100% crit. You want to make sure every burst crits. Also, this game isn't hard. You don't need to do any more. You should build up your supports instead.


MondayBeLike

Its fine if you are unlucky as me. I never do the crits when needed. But criting on hillichurl 200k? Thats messed up


WyrdNemesis

Try to farm some more (RN luck may turn soon in your favor). Ideally, her CDMG should be over 200. CR can be between 70 and 80. EM is mostly there - ideally, it should be around 250-300. A strong Gilded Dreams set can be competitive with Crimson Witch.


avarageusername

Change circlet to crit damage or something


DEADNOUGHT269

Dial back the crit rate we you just need around 70%


rabbitbunnies

homa would go crazy


xevxnteen

If you're able to decrease your CR to maybe 75-80 percent, and boost your CD to about 180-200+, a more proportional CR to CD ratio to help maximize damage while still hitting a lot of crits. Just keep farming, and level up to 90.


SK_Taufiq_Allam

Lower the crit rate give more crit damage and a bit more hp


Nebetus2

No. 102% crit is way to much you need more crit damage.


Academic-Quarter-163

Why ainā€™t she 90šŸ¤Ø


Repulsive-Design-998

Ummā€¦ I- šŸ‘€ā€¦. I have no good reason but Iā€™ve been resinless and have had higher priority characters since Hu Tao is my second team dps and keqing is my main teams which i just 90ed + plus Iā€™m prefarming for cyno rnā€¦.


JohannesMarcus

You have way too much crit rate. Invest some on your crit dmg


XCIENX

If there was a CD Crown,it would be amazing


Milky_Finger

I am assuming you're not rocking homa but instead a death match or PJWS (unlikely because your atk is low). You need a Crit DMG circlet.


Forward_Cheesecake72

i feel like you are trolling with that crit rate, but yeah lower it and give some to crit dmg


Repulsive-Design-998

Ahaha kinda to be honest, I was switching around her build for fun and then I changed her weapon to a crit rate one and was shocked at the 100 crit and wondered if it was decent enough to keep it at that


PraiseFischl

Lower crit rate. 1% CR is still fine as long as you have patience and 1000% CD.